The Red Sox’s options are somewhat limited as they look to acquire a top starting pitcher this winter, Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald writes. Boston doesn’t have the assets to swing a deal for White Sox ace Chris Sale, Sonny Gray of the A’s, or any of the Mets’ elite arms. The farm system won’t yield them a star pitcher right now, either. That, of course, leaves only free agency and Boston has never gotten ace on the open market before.
Still, it’s not as though the Red Sox haven’t spent big on pitching in the past. In 2010, the Red Sox signed John Lackey to a five-year, $82.5MM deal, though Silverman notes that he was more though of as a No. 2 pitcher to go alongside Jon Lester. In 2007, the Red Sox paid $103MM to land Daisuke Matsuzaka on a six-year deal, but that was via the NPB posting system and not traditional free agency.
Here’s more out of the AL East:
- The Orioles continue to have interest in a reunion with outfielder L.J. Hoes, who was designated for assignment on Friday by the Astros, as Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com writes. The O’s traded Hoes to Houston in July 2013 as a part of a package to land pitcher Bud Norris and while Hoes hasn’t really thrived since then, Baltimore apparently believes that a homecoming could chance that. Hoes appeared in only eight games for the Astros in 2015, but he slashed .295/.383/.400 for their Triple-A affiliate. All told, the 25-year-old owns a .237/.289/.328 batting line over 337 MLB plate appearances. Hoes has, however, shown some speed and on-base ability at the Triple-A level.
- The Orioles are said to be discussing outfielder Jay Bruce with the Reds, although it doesn’t sound like anything is imminent at this time. Kubatko writes that this isn’t the first time the two sides have discussed a Bruce deal and, in the past, the O’s have had concerns about Bruce’s left knee.
- The Rays jettisoned catcher J.P. Arencibia, outfielder Daniel Nava, and righties Brandon Gomes and Kirby Yates from the 40-man roster last week in an effort to protect their top young arms in the Rule 5 draft. It’s a move that Rays president Matt Silverman feels will expand his options as he talks trade with clubs this winter. “We’re having conversations out of a position of strength given the pitching depth that we have and look forward to seeing how the rest of the offseason unfolds,” Silverman said, according to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times.
Correction: The Red Sox HAD the prospects but then they traded some for a closer and refuse to trade Betts or Boegarts.
If the Red Sox don’t have the assets to trade for an ace, does anyone?
The Sox have a lot more than what was traded for Donaldson available. And as much left as anyone. The issue is whether even Gray or Sale is worth a package the includes Moncada or Benintendi , and several pitchers who they say are untouchable.
I would not trade Bogaerts or Betts if I were the Red Sox. Those are guys you build around.
A decade ago it was Pedroia, Lester, Bucholtz, Ellsbury as the young guys on the big league club they built around
A decade later it is Bogaerts, Betts, Rodriguez for sure and likely Swihart too
If you actually read the article, they just mention trading for an ace isn’t likley because of the unavailability, not because the Redsox lack assets. The Redsox still have a top 5 farm even after the Kimbrel trade and graduating Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Rodriguez, Owens, and JBJ. They can pull off a trade for almsot any player without including a Betts/Bogaerts. Swihart, Rodriguez, Owens, JBJ, Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, Espinoza, Kopech, ect. They are still very well stocked.
Mike–I’m going to argue with you slightly. Your list of “off limits” players is pretty long. There’s a psychology to trading which includes a sense from the trading partner they he isn’t getting your leftovers and surplus-even if there’s quality there.
For a true Ace, Sale or Gray. They could afford 1 or 2 of Owens, Miley or Johnson plus 1 or 2 of Chavis, Marco Hernandez, Trey Ball or Sean Coyle but the 4th player would have to be one untouchable such as Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, Espinoza or Kopech which they have stated they would not do.
That wasn’t an off limits list. I was just naming off the young players/top prospects in Boston’s system that hold a lot of value. I would say the only players off limits are Betts and Bogaerts.
And Rodriguez for sure and Swihart (At least till it is clear where Vazquez stands)
The Red Sox have plenty of valuable players who might match up very well for the best pitching assets out there, assuming those were available, but the question is whether they would be willing to bundle them for an ace. The more untouchables on your roster and in your system, the more limited your options are. Dombrowski is a creative guy–I wouldn’t be shocked if he did something productive–and even controversial.
Remember what the RedSox did on November 18, 1997. A day that helped change history. The RedSox traded prized pitching prospect Carl Pavano (who was ranked the number 9 prospect in baseball going into the 1998 season) and pitching prospect Tony Armas to the Montreal Expos for young phenom Pedro Martinez, Of course the Sox traded two prospects one of which was a top 10 in baseball for a young stud. And of course we know how the three of them worked out.For the prized prospects- Armas stuck in the majors for a while as a back end of the rotation type of arm and Pavano had a solid career as a mid-back end of the rotation type of arm winning 10 or more games 4 times in his 14 big league seasons including one all star appearance where he went 18-10 in Florida in 2004 and a 17-11 record in 2010.
The young proven stud in Martinez went on to 8 all star games (6 after the trade), help the RedSox break the curse in 2004 and top[ed it all off with a walk through Cooperstown this year.
Now I am not saying that Sale or Gray is going to be Pedro but trading unproven players for proven controllable ones can certainly turn out nice and I wouldn’t mind a Moncada, Owens for Gray or Sale deal especially with the Sox great depth on the mound and the infield