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NL East Notes: Petit, Stammen, Mets, Fernandez, Marlins

By Steve Adams | December 23, 2015 at 11:17pm CDT

Yusmeiro Petit chose to sign with the Nationals because they’re “always in contention,” he told James Wagner of the Washington Post. Petit added that his familiarity with catcher Wilson Ramos — a teammate from the Venezuelan Winter League — and the fact that he knows backup catcher Jose Lobaton also played a part in his decision. Petit spoke with Wagner about how he’s managed to succeed over the past three seasons despite his lack of velocity, working to keep his wind-up and delivery short to hide the ball from batters. The longtime Giants hurler said he had a feeling he might be non-tendered in San Francisco just because of how little he was utilized late in the season. He will most likely assume a similar role to the one he had in San Francisco, although Petit tells Wagner he’ll be ready if the Nationals need help at the back of their rotation.

Here’s more from Wagner’s piece and from the rest of the division…

  • Prior to signing Petit, the Nationals tried to work out a deal with former Nat Craig Stammen, whose 2015 season ended due to surgery to repair a torn flexor tendon, Wagner reports. However, Washington was only comfortable offering Stammen 80 percent of what he made last season, which would represent the maximum a player’s salary can be cut in arbitration. The proposed deal included incentives to boost Stammen’s salary, but the two sides couldn’t reach a deal, and Stammen was ultimately non-tendered. MLBTR’s Zach Links reported earlier this month that Stammen is said to be 100 percent recovered from the operation.
  • Joel Sherman of the New York Post recently attempted to peg the value of the Mets’ excellent rotation by estimating what each would receive on the open market at present. Despite the fact that much of the group is lacking in experience, Sherman estimates that the combination of Jacob deGrom, Matt Harvey, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz and even Zack Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery, could collectively earn one billion dollars. While that sounds outlandish, Sherman ran the number by six different executives from around the league, including GMs and scouting directors, and none refuted the notion. As Sherman points out, teams like the Red Sox have spent in excess of $130MM on Cuban talent (Yoan Moncada and Rusney Castillo) despite not knowing how immediately either would contribute in the Majors; as such, he hypothesizes that it’s not unreasonable that a team would submit a nine-figure bid even to Matz, despite the fact that he’s started just nine games in the Majors. While the exercise is entirely hypothetical, it’s still an interesting concept to think about. And, more interestingly, it raises the question of whether the Mets should be willing to part with one of their starters to fill holes elsewhere on the roster. In a market that is paying starting pitchers extremely aggressively, Sherman notes, New York’s starters have nearly unprecedented value. He points to the Braves’ return for Shelby Miller and notes that most of the Mets’ rotation is more controllable and, in some cases, younger than Miller.
  • In his latest Marlins inbox, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro tackles multiple trade-related questions, including one on ace Jose Fernandez. While the 23-year-old’s name has come up often in rumors recently, Frisaro writes that the Marlins’ hope is still to retain Fernandez and add pitching help around him. He quotes team president David Samson: “There is no rift with Jose. He wasn’t available for trade, but people still came to us, and we were OK with that, because you never know, someone may have an idea that you didn’t think of. But it just didn’t happen. I don’t see it happening.”
  • Frisaro also notes that the Marlins are hoping to add a free-agent starter that they can pay around $11MM in 2016. Miami could, of course, sign a pitcher to a contract with a larger annual value and backload the deal, though there are also pitchers on the market that figure to sign for an annual value in that range. Frisaro lists Ian Kennedy and Doug Fister as seemingly speculative fits, although Miami has previously been connected to Kennedy this offseason.
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  1. bravesfan88

    9 years ago

    It would be nice for the Braves to take a stab at Craig Stammen…The opportunity to pitch on a semi-regular basis would be in Atlanta. Also, they could probably offer him a better gaurenteed deal than most would be comfortable with, and Stamen would also have the reassurance of knowing, if he pitched well, that he would/could be traded to a contending team later on in the season.

    All signs point to this being a good deal for both parties involved; however, the Braves have already added 6 new faces fighting for a bullpen spot. Also, those 6 new pen arms, does not include guys like Chris Volstad, Bud Norris, nor Casey Kelly who could all legitimately fight for an open spot in the pen, if they do not make the starting rotation.

    Also, with Shea Simmons’ and Jason Grilli’s health jeopardizing their chances to start out on the opening day roster, there is a possibility that their spots could also be available for the taking while they each try to make their respective returns.

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  2. bravesfan88

    9 years ago

    Ultimately, I am definitely not a fan of the gNats, but I truly do like their signing of Petit. I think he very well could be an under the radar move, that provides a very solid payoff for Washington.

    Solid pick-up, that will eat up quality innings for their team, at a reasonable price. Truly, it is pretty hard to get much better value then that. Good Job gNats., and congrats.

    Reply
  3. Not Xabial

    9 years ago

    How does Rafael Montero factor into the mets plans? I see that the mets rotation is packed so does he just pitch out of the pen for a while or what? I thought he was seen as a part of their rotation of superstars. I may be wrong though.

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    • chicothekid

      9 years ago

      Montero is rotation depth at AAA and has a chance of making the team in the pen to help out immediately. If he makes the team, it will be in the bullpen and it’s possible he could get the occasional spot start if it isn’t given to Verrett. It should go without saying, but he could easily be traded if the right deal presented itself. The Mets could still use a quality setup man for the 8th inning, and if Montero was part of the package to bring in the right guy, that trade could happen.

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  4. R.D.

    9 years ago

    If petit thinks the nats are always in contention he has a very short memory span

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    • JT19

      9 years ago

      They’ve been in contention for the better part of the last few years. Even last year they were in contention until the last few weeks despite their struggles. I doubt anybody thought the Nats would implode like they did. They were probably over rated in that they were widely picked to make the WS, but I’m sure most people at least had them competing for a playoff spot at worst. I mean, who really thought that Fister, both Zimmermans, Desmond, Rendon, Werth and Span would all be hurting around the same and/or struggling nearly as bad as they did.

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      • R.D.

        9 years ago

        I’m just sayin that two 90 win seasons int he entire existence of a franchise (since 2005) is not “always in contention.”

        Per comparison, the Cardinals have won 86 or more games every year since 2007.

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        • Ray Ray

          9 years ago

          Two 90 win seasons since 2005, not to mention the prior 36 years as the Expos. They are also one of two franchises that has never appeared in the World Series. I would argue that the Mariners are orobably overall the worst franchise in MLB history (despite the 116 win season), but the rest of the top/bottom 5 would be the Expos/Nats, Padres, Phillies, and of course my Rockies. Each of them have had a good year here or there, but for the most part losing is the legacy for all 5 franchises.

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    • finchsta

      9 years ago

      Where have you been the last 3 years?

      Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      As if a team led by Bryce Harper and Max Scherzer is going to be down and out for very long.! LOL at people thinking 2015 is the norm, not just an aberration.

      I’d like to see them get a 2B and a SP this winter but even if they don’t, they are going to contend as-is.

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      • RunDMC

        9 years ago

        WSH was getting just about max output from both players almost the entire season, and look at the team finished. They’re not the problem, it’s dumb moves like adding Papelbon – a known clubhouse cancer (though I didn’t think anyone could have predicted about that turned out) when they already had a good closer, not acquiring a definite 2B upgrade, and so many injuries. Ryan Zimmermann’s contract is not looking great if he can’t stay healthy, already losing value by having to shift to 1B, and Werth’s contract has been a loss. With the size of Scherzer’s deal, I can’t help but think that’s a huge risk. They need their secondary players to stay healthy and play well, with Rendon taking the next step, to really compete.

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  5. greatd

    9 years ago

    Marlins probably needed DeSclafani / Heaney in their farm system.

    Reply
  6. bobo678

    9 years ago

    one billion dollars for 5 baseball players…while my cable and internet bill goes up to over 200 a month….what happens when people keep cutting cable

    Reply
  7. yanks02026

    9 years ago

    i love how everyone makes the mets pitching sound so great. Several of the pitchers have pitched not even a half a season, yet people act like they’re an ACE because a couple good games.

    Reply
    • hojostache

      9 years ago

      Bitter Yankees fan?

      Scouts, GMs, and other baseball people who get paid to evaluate talent are all saying their starting 4 are that good. Hopefully Wheeler (a former elite prospect) can come back from TJ and be a solud #2 caliber pitcher.

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        9 years ago

        Obviously, you don’t remember “The Four Aces” which were touted by the Mets previously. That didn’t work out too well for them. None of the four lived up to the hype.

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        • Long Suffering Mets Fan

          9 years ago

          1) It wasn’t just the Mets promoting Generation K it was the experts.
          2) It was a trio (Pulsipher, Isringhausen, and Wilson) and Pelfrey if you want to make it a quartet. Izzy had a reasonably successful career in the ‘pen. Pelfrey is still pitching and getting contracts. Pulse was serviceable for a few seasons. Wilson’s career was upended by injuries.
          3) Again, it is not just the Mets promoting these guys. Even HoF pitchers are saying they are that special.

          Reply
        • theruns

          9 years ago

          You mean when they had Seaver, Ryan, Koosman and Matlack? Those guys were pretty good. If you are referring to the guys from Generation K it’s a little too late… Harvey and deGrom have already accomplished more than those guys ever did and Synergaard/Matz have more talent in their pinkie finger than Pulsipher ever did. That is a terrible analogy, if you can’t see the talent within this staff you should reconsider how you judge talent.

          Reply
    • Ray Ray

      9 years ago

      I agree. Odds are that 2 of those 5 completely bomb with their careers through either injury or ineffectiveness, Matz has pitched a whole 8 games in the majors, so not even half a season. You might get 1 or 2 if you are very lucky that are CY-quality pitchers throughout their career. Don’t forget when the Cubs had Wood, Prior, Zambrano, and Clement and everyone thought they would dominate the NL for years.

      Reply
      • thebare54

        9 years ago

        Like the current Mets you need bats

        Reply
      • theruns

        9 years ago

        Pretty sure deGrom and Harvey are already CY level pitchers. Not sure if you saw Syndergaard pitch but he looked like a guy who could get to that level real quick. And of course any pitcher can get hurt, that’s not how you judge players though.

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  8. John Cate

    9 years ago

    That’s ridicluous. David Price and Zack Greinke both got contracts that guaranteed them just over $200 million each. And they’re arguing that all five of the Mets’ starters are worth the same as Price and Greinke on the open market?

    None of them would get a deal like that if they were a free agent right now. The five of them collectively would be lucky to get more than about $500 million between them. There’s also the fact that Harvey and deGrom have both had TJS, and only one former TJ pitcher has ever even gotten a $100MM deal. Syndergaard, who never has, might get the most money.

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    • TheMichigan

      9 years ago

      Considering what people are willing to deal for Jose Fernandez and he’s already had TJ I think he will be getting a 200 MM contract

      Reply
  9. michaelw

    9 years ago

    I’m not a Nats fan but I do know Wash won’t repeat that fluke this year. I have pegged to win the East. If the Mets didn’t make those moves who knows. Wash won’t have a bad year. Management rebuild I don’t see it happening. Injury didn’t help. Mets lost what go them to WS. Yes they have young pitching but they had that before mid season too. WO those trades they don’t get that far. To add Wash will probably pick up a splash with what’s left. Let’s face it everyone blown their load. There still a lot left. Wash missed Hayward – Zorb – And few pitchers. No else has money left. St.L is done as the Cubs, Arz, SF – Pitt not spending money n NY not spending big money. In AL Angels r prob good NY May spend doubtful. Bost done Toronto don’t have that kind if money. KC playing cheap card. So I expect if they can offer Hayward 200 mil it go for someone or few people. So don’t dwell on the past Wash will be there. Really I have SF, Chi n Wash WC is anyone’s guess but I wouldn’t bank Pitt or LA unless LA makes a move quick. lol at can’t win 90 games solo. Then take your pick 2 of 3 Arz which I think will be one then a toss between NY n ST.L next big move gets in. Just my thoughts as a Chicago fan. But Wash will be there.

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    • michaelw

      9 years ago

      Typo Clay can’t win 90 games solo.

      Reply
  10. michaelw

    9 years ago

    The mad Hungarian should come out of retirement n pitch for the min and show everyone how it’s done.

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