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West Notes: Dodgers, Prospects, Closers, A’s

By Jeff Todd | January 1, 2016 at 10:41pm CDT

Let’s take a look in at the latest from the game’s western divisions:

  • The Dodgers’ front office has “underwhelmed” since taking command after the 2014 season, argues Jon Morosi of FOX Sports. In particular, he says, the team erred this offseason when it failed to meet the pre-offseason “expectations” that it would “re-sign Zack Greinke and lure David Price to L.A. with an astronomical offer, creating a rotation for the ages.” The FOX Sports reporter goes on to argue that letting Greinke go to the division-rival Diamondbacks — who swooped in at the last minute with an astronomical contract offer — sapped Los Angeles not only of half of its outstanding top-of-the-rotation duo but also the “swagger of outspending any team in the industry, on any player, whenever it fancied them.”
  • With all due respect to Morosi, it seems rather odd to suggest there was ever any realistic likelihood of one club adding both of those top starters. And, frankly, I don’t think I’m alone in disagreeing with his assessment that it would have been wise to meet or exceed Arizona’s stunning offer to the 32-year-old Greinke, even for a team with L.A.’s deep pockets. After all, getting the best player by dangling the most money is easy enough to do; the real trick is knowing when to pull out of the bidding. Whether or not the D’Backs’ investment will pay off remains to be seen, but it is laden with risk, and no team operates without financial limitations. It bears noting, too, that it’s a bit premature to place final judgment on the roster construction efforts of the Friedman administration — or, for that matter, most other teams around the league — with such a large portion of the offseason business still left to be transacted. The proof will be in the pennants, but in assessing the Dodgers front office’s efforts to date, it’s worth remembering that the organization still has financial flexibility and extremely valuable young players to work with (both now and over the course of the season).
  • As always, prospects make for powerful trade currency, and J.J. Cooper of Baseball America rates the youngsters that were dealt over the last couple of months. Teams from the game’s western divisions featured heavily. They combined to enrich the Braves’ system with the three top names on the list (Dansby Swanson and Aaron Blair, from the Diamondbacks, and Sean Newcomb, from the Angels). The Padres got two of the next three youngsters in Cooper’s ranking from the Red Sox in Javier Guerra and Manuel Margot. And there were others, too, as the Astros sent Mark Appel to the Phillies and four of the players involved in the three-team Todd Frazier deal either went to (Jose Peraza) or from (Frankie Montas, Trayce Thompson, Micah Johnson) the Dodgers.
  • Of course, a good portion of the players just listed featured in the winter’s trade activity for closers, a topic recently taken up by BA’s John Manuel. While Craig Kimbrel and Ken Giles drew returns featuring some of those well-regarded young players, of course, Aroldis Chapman ended up bringing a much less hyped return due to the stunning domestic violence allegations that emerged. (It’s worth remembering, in assessing the Dodgers’ efforts to date, that they were lined up to add the top-shelf reliever before the controversy erupted.) Manuel goes on to discuss the interesting question of the difficulty of rating and valuing premium relief prospects.
  • The Athletics are in a nice position to roll the dice on an expensive but potentially undervalued asset this winter, per a recent SB Nation/Athletics Nation blog post, but it’s not clear whether there’s a worthwhile investment on the market. Previously, Oakland hit it big by landing Yoenis Cespedes for just $36MM over four years before the 2012 campaign. I certainly agree that there don’t appear to be any players with quite that profile, but it does seem plausible to think — and this is all my speculation — that the A’s could line up to bail out someone like Denard Span, Ian Desmond, Austin Jackson, or Ian Kennedy, should their markets collapse, or make an upside play for Cuban pitcher Yaisel Sierra.

 

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  1. Brixton

    9 years ago

    So the Dodgers are underwhelming because they didn’t commit 400M to 2 terrible contracts to aging pitchers? I think they actually did a pretty good job since taking over.

    Turned Olivera into Wood and Montas, got rid of Kemp for some value, even if Grandal was terrible in the 2nd half.

    If they signed Clippard and traded for one of McGee/Boxberger/Capps, etc, they’d had a really good offseason.

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    • gorav114

      9 years ago

      It would have been absolutely ridiculous to risk adding Price’s contract AND outbidding AZ for Grienke. Instead they spent way less and still achieved a rotation that may be top 3 in baseball.

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      • herecomethephillies2018

        9 years ago

        Top 3 is a bit optimistic, but I’d put them in the top half of the league for sure. If they hang onto Urias and de Leon they should be set up to be in the top 5-10 in 2017 and beyond.

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        • Brixton

          9 years ago

          1. Mets
          2. Cubs
          3. Nats
          4. Dodgers
          5. San Diego

          fair enough?

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          • sandiegorocker1104

            9 years ago

            Just out of curiosity, why is San Diego number 5 in your opinion? This coming from a San Diego fan too.

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          • its_millertime

            9 years ago

            How would AZ not be in the top 5 with 3 all stars

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          • dstuart

            9 years ago

            That’s not fair enough, because you’re high off your ass to think that’s your top 5.

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            • InPolesWeTrust

              9 years ago

              Yikes…Maeda hasn’t thrown an inning and outside of Kershaw, they don’t have an arm who is going to make opposing teams wishing they were playing someone else. Giants? DBacks? To name a few more.

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          • Draven Moss

            9 years ago

            I definitely wouldn’t have the Padres in the top 5. They are closer to the #10 ranking IMO. I think you are really underestimating the Indians’ rotation. They should be #3 here, slotting behind the Cubs, and ahead of the Nationals. Kluber, Carrasco, Salazar, Bauer, and Anderson is a great rotation.

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          • Brixton

            9 years ago

            Its not letting me reply to anyone elses comment for some reason except mine, so…
            @sandie
            I think Shields can have a better season after an adjustment year in the NL, I think Cashner is a lot better than last year. Mix that with Ross and 2 5 starters, is better than a lot of teams in the NL.

            @millertime
            Shelby Miller really isn’t that great. Hes a 3 at best, Grienke was so good last year, I really don’t think hes going to produce that well again, and whose the 3rd allstar? Corbin? Hes a good 3. D”Backs and the Padres are a toss up for #5. The Padres had terrible defense, which is going to get better this year.

            @dstuart
            care to explain?

            @ghosto
            Samardzija was awful last year, Cueto was terrible in the 2nd half. Matt Cain can’t be relied on, once they figured out Heston, he wasn’t good and Peavy is a #3. I’d take all 5 teams I said over them in the rotation, maybe that comes back to bite me.

            @Draven
            NL teams only. I might of had the Indians at #2 or #3 if it was all of MLB.

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            • norcalgrl21

              9 years ago

              I pretty much agree on almost everything you posted. Cueto & Samardzija are gonna lead the giants to the WS? PLEASE! Go.back to whatever cave you have been living in @ghosto!! Cain, um yeah right and he’s correct once they figured out Heston = not that impressive.

              I also agree that if SD Padres fix their defense that they have a pretty dtrong rotation … Tyson Ross? Andrew Cashner & Shields? Theyre all likely to do well. Shields might not have been great last season but he’s got a bounce back kinda feel to him (plus its not as though he was horrendously awful). I think both Ross brothers can be unbelievable with Joe (& I know its off topic) likely being able to go beyond his brither’s success. Im not an SD fan per se but they have a good chance of surpassing people’s expectations.

              I also agree th a t people need to watch out fir Cleveland. They havent made any huge moves which I perceive to be quite prudent of them. They didnt deal a starter no matter how much anyone wanted them to and they could probably use a lil help offensively (I think its what hurt thrm near the end last season) but the offseason isnt over yet …. Anyways, just throwing in my two cents which probably doesnt mean crap to the rest of you but eho cares?! What if Im right? And if there is one thing I KNOW I will very likely ne right about is that the giants and their “even year” bull poo are NOT gonna win again. Law of averages people, law if averages. … oh and you cannot call the giants a dynasty or any other crap like that bc dynasties are consistently dominant. Thry do NOT have losing seasons in between championships. In fact I would consider the Steve Young 90’s 49ers more of a SF dynasty bc they went to yhe NFC Championship game 4 years straight (it may have even been 5 … 5th woulda been vs GB Packers but Im olf and dont know for sure) What I do know for sure is that the Cowboys beat them 3 outta the 4 NFC Championships (& they may or may not have lost to GB for s chance at the 96 SB) but my POINT IS THAT TO BE A DYNASTY YOU MUST BE CONSISTENTLY DOMINANT. The giants havent done that. The Yankees have, the A’s have but the giants no, no … their odd years have sucked making them not even close to a dynasty. But Im off topic yet again … csnt wait for baseball season so all our speculation becomes focused on our teams and not sitting around playing guessing games but are dictated by whay’s actually comung to fruition in real games!!

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    • start_wearing_purple

      9 years ago

      It’s the dilemma of being a fan of a super rich team. You get used to your team spending money so you expect to get the top free agents. On the flip side the most expensive player isn’t always the best.

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      • kbarr888

        9 years ago

        That’s 100% spot on start_wearing……..I think the Yankees proved that theory over the last 3.5 decades. They went out and got “All The Big Names”….which came with huge contracts……but had terrible results, with just 1 WS win since their 3-peat 1998-2000….and just 1 WS win from 1979-1997. If you count the 3-peat as a single team (temporary dynasty)…….that’s 3 Championship teams in 36 years. Conversely, the Giants have won 3 of the last 6 WS without a Huge Payroll. I’n not belittling the Yankees accomplishments, but when you compare payroll numbers, they’ve spent exponentially more than any other team (until the last couple years), and had minimally better results. You get the idea…..”Bigger isn’t Always Better”. Dodgers have “dodged a bullet” in my eyes, because Greinke and Price will both be overpaid for the last 3 years of their contracts, crippling the finances of the teams that they play for.

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        • yarritsblake

          9 years ago

          Technically speaking the Giants were 10 out of 30 at $98 million, and the Dodgers were 12 at $94 million on 2010 opening day. In 2012 the Giants were 8 out of 30 at $117 million and the Dodgers at 12 out of 30 at $95 million on opening day. And in 2014 the Giants were 7 out of 30 at $154 million, and the Dodgers finally starting their spending and were 1 out of 30 at $235 million.

          Just an interesting factoid looking up the opening day payrolls and how you can clearly see when the Dodgers shifted strategies and the new ownership took control.

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      • BlueSkyLA

        9 years ago

        Ironic. Look back over the last few years for large ticket Dodgers signings. After the big Boston trade, you get the Kershaw extension, three years of Grienke, and nothing.

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        • yarritsblake

          9 years ago

          Our biggest financial commitments outside of Greinke and extending Kershaw have come via trades, releasing players with guaranteed contracts who were not considered of any value to the team (I’m looking at you Brian Wilson), or taking money on from bad contracts from other teams to acquire better talent in trades. The fact that we spent under $75 in guaranteed money on two pitchers who profile out as #3 pitchers, with both having the potential to look like solid #2’s at any time, whereas our rivals both spent north of $200 million on starters and also gave up a ridiculous prospects package to give themselves similar results to what we likely will get out of Kazmir and Maeda this year.

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          • BlueSkyLA

            9 years ago

            If either Kazmir or Maeda fall into the #2 slot it will most likely be the result of Ryu not being up to it. Anyway I was pointing out the irony of implying that the Dodgers are sweeping up free agents left and right. I haven’t gotten used to something that hasn’t happened in years.

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    • BlueSkyLA

      9 years ago

      Where does anyone get the idea that the young turks will ever sign a big-ticket free agent long term? The biggest committed they’ve made to date is to McCarthy for 4/48, which wouldn’t be a headline signing even for a mid-market team, let alone for the wealthiest in baseball. Then they heavily backloaded the Kazmir contract. It always seem to come down to Friedman and Zaidi a pass, even when they make terrible trades. Because they have a “plan” to give the team “flexibility” — as if those factors win championships.

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    • Miklo916

      9 years ago

      LA still sucks they will never win a World Series again. They pay all that money for nothing. They trying to be like the olds Yankees. Not gonna happen. Now in days you can’t buy a team. SmelLA will be in same boat spend a lot but win nothing lol hahahaha

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      • tommyl

        9 years ago

        One of the best parts about the Dodgers winning their fourth straight NL West crown in 2016 is that these no-nothing critics will be proven so wrong. “They pay all that money….” They don’t see the big picture of what the new management team is doing to create a long-term power house and how they’ll have gobs of freed money and a rock solid, young foundation when the free agent class of all free agent classes hits the market in two years.

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  2. vtadave

    9 years ago

    Morosi must have written that on NY eve after 10 jack and cokes

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  3. Joe McMahon

    9 years ago

    Yeah, that Morosi article was bull. The Dodgers underwhelmed because they didn’t horribly overpay every free agent on the market? That doesn’t make any sense. Honestly, I think adding both Kazmir and Maeda, especially at their relative salaries, was better for the team than giving Greinke $210M+.

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  4. nicdore33

    9 years ago

    2 terribles? You weren’t saying that during the season I think…

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    • herecomethephillies2018

      9 years ago

      I think he was referring to their contracts as terrible. While they’re both great pitchers, it’s hard to call their contracts “great” from a payroll perspective.

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      • kbarr888

        9 years ago

        100% agree……..WAY too much money for their ages. Can’t wait to see their performances in the back half of those contracts. D-Backs may have to file bankruptcy by 2020……LOL

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  5. DoolittleDoolate

    9 years ago

    If the A’s decide to roll the dice, I hope they do it via trade on not by signing any of those players. The only players I’d like to see them sign are ones they can’t afford.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      They can afford Cliff Lee and should sign him ASAP.

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    • Gary333

      9 years ago

      They can afford anyone… Try just don’t want to spend the money on any top players.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        They gave Billy Butler $30M.

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  6. tbrace20

    9 years ago

    I have used MLBtraderumors for the latest baseball news for years; they always reported the latest information, and it was just reporting. So many of the new reporters are so opinionated. “With all due respect to Morosi….”

    The website has gone down hill the last few years…

    Reply
    • Jeff Todd

      9 years ago

      There isn’t any news right now, for one thing, so you tend to revert to some analysis. Also, Morosi is a reporter, but his piece is opinion/analysis-based. I disagree with him, so I explained why. That’s all.

      But you’re entitled to your opinion on this topic, and I can understand why some people prefer MLBTR avoid opinion. For the most part, I do, and I try to be clear when I am saying something that is not “just reporting,” as you put it.

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    • Joe McMahon

      9 years ago

      Your way sounds really boring. I love when the writers give their opinions about the issues. It makes it much easier to stimulate interesting discussion. And for what it’s worth, I agree 100% with Jeff on this one. I really hope the writers stay opinionated.

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      • tbrace20

        9 years ago

        I agree that there is plenty of upside for opinions within the website; however, the mailbag piece or the online weekly discussion platforms are ideal locations to do so. If there is no news to report, then Mr. Todd could focus on free-agent faceoffs like he did just a bit ago.

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      • gobraves46

        9 years ago

        I agree as well. If there were no opinions in the articles, nobody would have anything to argue/discuss in the comments like we are doing right now…

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        • bravesfan88

          9 years ago

          Yes, MLBTR is my go to for all mlb news…Whether it is for various current on-goings arb. numbers, trades, signings, etc. Also, I like to come here for debates, speculation, opions, polls, and just to see what people are talking about…

          The above comment that this site has gone down the drain, could not be more FALSE!!

          I gaurentee he would miss this site, if it got shut down.

          I, myself, check 3 sites daily: MLBTR, uga.rivals, and talking chop…

          Keep up the good work guys, your work is well appreciated by numerous amounts of fans!!

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          • kbarr888

            9 years ago

            Agree Bravesfan……I very much enjoy reading here every single day, especially in the off-season when there’s not much going on in baseball…….and Jeff Todd does an awesome job!……..Of course, if they had a guy like Brad Evans writing here…….there would definitely be some really exciting articles…..ones that we could have some seriously opinionated discussions about!…..LOL…(I love reading Brad’s articles……but “he’s out there” sometimes……hehehe)

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  7. markmc1235

    9 years ago

    The last time the diamondbacks committed too an “aging pitcher” it turned out pretty well. I’m sure if the Dodgers landed greinke the dodger fans would be raving about how big their financial muscles are and how great of a staff they have.

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    • jchamblee24

      9 years ago

      As a life-long Dodger fan, I wanted them to resign Grienke, but not at any cost. For the next 3-4 years you are probably going to get your money’s worth, but the last 2-3 years is going to be an albatross contract. Just cuz we have money doesn’t mean we have to spend it. I want to win championships, and spending the most never really works out.

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    • ryan211

      9 years ago

      Whom are you referring to here? The most recent “aging pitcher” the D-Backs signed was Bronson Arroyo, and I doubt you mean to say that turned out well.

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      • sandiegorocker1104

        9 years ago

        I would assume he’s referring to Randy Johnson or Curt Schilling.

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    • yarritsblake

      9 years ago

      But while Greinke is a great pitcher in his own right, The Big Unit was simply not human! The man had one of the deadliest sliders to devastate hitters with, and a solid change to keep them honest. But that slider, an absolute out pitch! And his , consistently running in the mid to upper 90s, his pure dominating mound presence, ultra durability, and so on, and you have a generational type pitcher. Greinke is good, but no Randy Johnson.

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  8. tommyLA

    9 years ago

    AZ is going to compete for the next few years, but at this point I don’t see how they will be able to beyond the next 2-3years. Their farm is depleted, their finances are committed. It’s do or die now, because the after this the next decade will be dismal for the snakes.

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    • stymeedone

      9 years ago

      Sounds about the same situation KC finds itself in. In two years all their core players are Free agents. Arizona got to the same point without all the last place finishes. How long a window were you expecting?

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      • puigpower

        9 years ago

        Well, the Dodgers have won the last three titles and our position to do so for many more years down the road. I think that’s the key there trying to be the Atlanta Braves of the current era. Now, the discussion is are those going to be championship teams? I’m not sure, but how can a fan be upset with the team that wants to win every single year opposed to blowing its load in a small window?

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  9. markmc1235

    9 years ago

    I was talking about randy johnson

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  10. markmc1235

    9 years ago

    Ur right about there being a window of 3 years tommyla, the window is goldschmidt and pollocks free agent year which is 3 years away for both I believe. I was always the one who said let those other suckers pay these ridiculous free agent contracts, especially to pitchers. But u know what, you gotta take a shot sometimes when ur close and if I was gonna pay a pitcher that kinda money greinke ain’t a bad bet in my opinion. Hopefully it works out. The great pitchers stay on top into there mid to late 30s and I got a feeling he’s one of them.

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  11. lonestardodger

    9 years ago

    Just need to make a couple bullpen additions in LA. Roster looks good imo otherwise. A trade for Mcgee/Boxberger without giving up Urias or De Leon would be a good move. Also signing someone with upside like Neal Cotts (for example) who could come on a relatively small one year deal could pay off.

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    • B_MAC

      9 years ago

      After signing Kazmir and Maeda. Look for Alex Wood to head to the bp. Would be a nice upgrade to the pen.

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    • stymeedone

      9 years ago

      Cotts has upside?

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  12. B_MAC

    9 years ago

    If the Dodgers was going to flex their checkbook. Greinke would have been their best bet. He reminds me of Greg Maddux. Didn’t have the best stuff, but had impeccable location. Relied more on knowledge, scouting reports, etc. He gets better the more he learns. Decline is inevitable. But not inconceivable for him to be a top pitcher in the game at 40.
    David Price as good as he is just wasn’t worth the money. (All big contracts are a mistake in my opinion, but it has become a necessary evil) Dodgers dodged a bullet there.
    They have stated a desire to shed payroll. That they can’t sustain the frivolous spending. They are using the money to buy prospects. Payroll will always be tops in baseball but will be significantly less.
    I hate the Dodgers but got to give the f.o. credit. They are building a monster from the ground up. While spending to stay in contentiom.

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    • geoschuet33

      9 years ago

      I have a feeling David Price is t going to age well in Fenway. He relies on a power fastball, which will eventual lose velocity. He will have to evolve as a pitcher to keep being ace status. He can do it, but I think the struggle will be real!

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      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Price has a 1.95 ERA at Fenway in 11 starts in his career. He knows how to pitch there, and is one of the smartest pitchers in the game. Even if you think he will lose velo as he gets older, he’s one of the best bets to make the necessary adjustments. Price will be a beast for a very very long time.

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  13. nookster

    9 years ago

    The dodgers front office mistakes were last offseason, not this one.

    Trading Gordon. Paying for Haren to go away, then scrambling for pitching later. Heaney for 1-yr of Kendrick. Rollins.

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    • jimmyz

      9 years ago

      I was surprised when they traded Gordon. He struggled at times in LA but he was young and just getting his feet wet in the bigs. Solid defensive 2nd basemen with little power typically don’t get huge contracts regardless of their speed/leadoff abilities at the plate, LA should have extended him instead of trading him.

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  14. kirkdavenport

    9 years ago

    I think Jeff Todd was wise in his arguments against Morosi. The Dodgers have the money but also the brains to not waste it when they know that building the organization on prospects and youth and from within is so much more cost effective. They might have missed on a few big players (Price, Greinke, Cueto) but have made a ton of smaller moves at the minor league and prospect levels and also many top international signings so that they have a top farm system and many attractive trade chips if they need them as well as an improved pipeline of talent coming up through the system. The Dodger front office rates an “A” on that basis even if they missed on Greinke, Chapman, Iwakuma and others

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  15. pacificwhim

    9 years ago

    I agree that the FO has underwhelmed, but based on last year’s mistakes, not this postseason. Trading Dee Gordon, signing McCarthy to a 4-year deal after one decent half-season, not getting Hamels or pen help at the deadline…those were major blunders. But not slapping down $200M for Greinke for a team already laden with terrible contracts was not a mistake.

    Look at the bigger picture. We have many, many ridiculous contracts on the books. Kemp. Arruebuena. Either. Crawford. Morse. On and on and on. We’re overpaying marginal players and paying guys not to play for us. It’s become incredibly clear that the front office has a multi-part strategy in mind here:

    1. Don’t add more onerous long-term deals while letting bad contracts run out. Hence Kazmir’s one-year opt-out.
    2. Don’t sign free agents that have draft pick compensation attached, thereby stockpiling picks.
    3. Hold onto and add top prospects to build an incredibly deep farm system.

    It’s working. The Dodgers have the consensus #1 farm system in the game, and with the extra picks from Greinke and Kendrick signing elsewhere, it’s getting better. Guys like Urias, DeLeon, Verdugo, Bellinger and Holmes will be on the big club by 2018, maybe earlier. Look how fast the Cubs went from a joke to the consensus World Series pick under Theo Epstein. I’ll take that. If the FO has a plan to turn away from the unsustainable lurching desperation of the McCourt years to become the West Coast Cardinals, I’m all for that.

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    • kbarr888

      9 years ago

      Don’t forget about Alex Guerrero……who’s 7.5 million/yr doesn’t seem too expensive now, but he gets paid to ride the pine. They allowed him to negotiate some very “player friendly clauses” into his $28 million contract, and they are paying for that. His clauses about “becoming a free agent if traded” and the “I can refuse to go back to the minors” ones are the most crippling. Bad idea by the former F.O. He should be playing every day……but I think that they’ve destroyed his attitude by the way he’s been treated. They’ve wasted $28 million right there.

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    • Miklo916

      9 years ago

      Keep dreaming

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    • BlueSkyLA

      9 years ago

      So what you are saying is 2016 is basically a write-off, and Dodgers fans should just get over it?

      Reply
  16. socalbum

    9 years ago

    Recommend reading Morosi’s article rather than relying on these few excerpts as the context gives a different perspective IMO. Couple of examples: first sentence “The expectations probably were unfair, but they existed nonetheless: When the offseason began, the Dodgers were supposed to re-sign Zack Greinke and lure David Price to L.A. with an astronomical offer, creating a rotation for the ages.” And later in the article, “Can the Dodgers win a World Series with their current starting pitchers? Absolutely.” Morosi makes some fair points about the roster construction and the BP, but IMO fails to include that the current FO is still trying to fix the contract problems from the Colletti era.

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    • Jeff Todd

      9 years ago

      Obviously I couldn’t reprint the entire thing here, and I certainly recommend everyone read it for themselves, but I tried to give it a fair treatment. As for the first sentence, I still don’t know where he got the idea that anyone expected they’d sign both pitchers. I don’t recall even hearing that suggestion, let alone some consensus.

      As for his other points, the FO had a deal for Chapman and has plenty of time to do something more in the pen, so I don’t see a point in reaching conclusions there.

      And his comparison to the Royals – which is what he discussed right after the second quote you cite, re being able to win the WS with a subpar rotation – is just silly, imo. First, how does he go from no Greinke to below average rotation? They have added 3 guys from our top 50 coming into the winter … to a group that already had Kershaw, Wood, Ryu, McCarthy, several top prospects, and depth guys.

      Second, what is the point of comparing LAD to one specific team in terms of what kinds of players they have? He never even explains the point, and it makes no sense to me.

      You could just as easily criticize KCR as things stand right now, no? They have replaced Cueto with Chris Young and done nothing to address Zobrist/Gordon! Their better young players are nearing FA and may have already hit their peaks, while the Dodgers have blooming young studs like Puig, Seager, and Joc! Moore cashed in all the team’s prospects; the Dodgers have Urias, DeLeon, etc near the majors! KC has fallen back internationally; the Dodgers just signed half the July 2 market!

      Honestly, I didnt put anything about the rest of this stuff in the post b/c i ran out of space and was just going to have to express my further disagreement.

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      • goldtripleo

        9 years ago

        This is great. I really appreciate the response to that completely uninformed FoxSports article. You hit some of the big key flaws I found while reading it. Glad I wasnt alone in my complete disagreement.

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      • socalbum

        9 years ago

        All fair points, my point was that Morosi’s article needed to be read to understand some of his comments. In particular, the quote that “…the team erred this offseason when it failed to meet the pre-season expectations…re-sign Greinke and…Price.” This led me to believe that Morosi believes that Dodgers should have done so, but his article did not give that same impression. As far as Dodgers fans expectations, I did read several comments from Dodgers fans who wanted the Dodgers to forget the money and sign both Greinke and Price.

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      • rossrarelytalks

        9 years ago

        This is a very interesting time to be a Dodger fan. It’s certainly nice to see some thoughtful discussion online — the LA Times comment sections tends toward true idiocy. The general deal here is that the knee-jerk fan really dislikes this FO (“all these moron nerds do is look at their laptops . . . they aren’t “baseball people,” etc.). And that’s a big part of the old-school fan base. So there’s a lot of discontentment in LA right now.
        With the regard to the more thoughtful crowd (myself hopefully included, in a non-arrogant way!) things are more positive, of course. But what’s interesting, is that regardless of your position on the FO (I’m a fa, definitely), so far they don’t have much visible success to point to, so you can understand why the old-school crowd is pissed. The Dee Gordon trade was completely defensible and I liked it at the time, but when the guy you trade has a year like Gordon had, people are going to go berserk. Add to that the fact that Hatcher started the year very poorly (the knee-jerk types didn’t notice the Wade Davis-type numbers he put up over the last two months of the season), Heaney is now in Anaheim (I think since the FO didn’t keep him, fans think he’s going to be Jose Fernandez), Hernandez, is the eyes of the knee-jerkers is a utility guy, and most average fans have no idea who Austin Barnes is. So you see how that whole thing has played out here so far.
        Add to that the (non) trade deadline deals. I’m sure Latos and Jim Johnson didn’t turn out the way the FO was hoping, obviously, but again, that “knee-jerk” fan isn’t weighing whether it’s a good idea to keep Urias, de Leon, Cody Bellinger, Alex Verdugo, et. al. rather than just “trade for a big-name pitcher right now, c’mon!”
        So here we are, trying to fly the rebuilding from Frank McCourt and the last FO under the radar while staying competitive. I think my only real complaint about this FO is that they maintain such a corporate tone, and tend to really never say much of anything substantive when they talk, especially Friedman. Zaidi and Stan Kasten will sometimes impart actual information, but what they won’t actualy say is that while they promised to field a competitive team in the present, they are clearly biasing in favor of future strength. I’m cool with it, especially, since we actually DO have a competitive team for 2016 — I mean look, the DBacks and Giants are stronger and are good teams, but all this fan nonsense about how we’re no better than third in the division is plainly incorrect.
        It’ll help the FO if the team has some success, though, while they pursue this strategy. Otherwise the fans will continue to lose their minds and create a lot of ugly noise in town.
        Now you know why I’m rossrarelytalks. I don’t post that much, but when I do, I go on at ridiculous length. I’m amazed you even got to this point! Happy New Year!

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    • BlueSkyLA

      9 years ago

      Morosi’s premise was flawed, his basic argument being that the success can measured in the size of contracts signed, reductions in payroll, and/or this vague thing he calls “swagger.” None of which has a lot to do with baseball. It’s much easier to measure success in an offseason. Just look at the roster. Is it better than last year’s? Position by position, yes or no? Can it beat the other teams in the division, yes or no? Have the issues with team that caused them to come up short three years in a row been addressed? Yes or no? Everything else is just a smokescreen.

      Fan expectations aren’t that the team signs specific names, or spends gobs amounts of money, only that they bring them a championship for the first time in 28 years. Do team owners and sports writers even consider that sort of stuff? I wonder…

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      • puigpower

        9 years ago

        I think we know your answer. Is it possible that you’re wrong?

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          Why not play fair and give me your answers?

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          The crickets should no fear of being drown out.

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  17. yarritsblake

    9 years ago

    Ultimately Morsi is missing a big key factor in the Dodger’s decisions. Why would the Dodgers’ front office make clear overpay commitments to pitchers that, while great pitchers today, could be burdens to their teams in 3-5 years for now because of their advanced age nearing the end of the agreed upon primes? Especially when we have a lot of a really good, young pitchers nearing the majors in the next 2-4 years, and their is a huge market of young, fantastic aces hitting the market in the 2017-2018 off-season? Not only that, I think they, along with the Yankees, and the Phillies specifically are gearing up for that off-season. When you have, as of right now, Heyward, Cutch, Harper, Machado, Donaldson, Fernandez, Harvey, Price (opt out), Kershaw (opt out), Kuechel, and so on, teams are looking towards that off-season, barring any extensions of those players, as an off-season to spend big. Especially when teams like the ones I listed above are not going to have nearly as many commitments come 2018 as they do now.

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    • yarritsblake

      9 years ago

      *there is a huge market (I miss the edit feature).

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  18. mikey_mags

    9 years ago

    I’m sure Morosi was one of the guys who said “Dodgers not even getting to the NLCS with a $300 million dollar payroll” like every other media guy was saying, now he is criticizing why they aren’t spending money. This is why you’re a news reporter, hardly a columnists let alone a respected industry opinion.

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