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Blue Jays Notes: Price, Donaldson, Bautista, Floyd

By Steve Adams | February 9, 2016 at 10:55pm CDT

Blue Jays president/CEO Mark Shapiro appeared on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM and spoke to Jim Bowden about the decision not to re-sign David Price this offseason (audio link). “Every team has a budget,” Shapiro began. “Every team has operating parameters. I don’t know why it’s not fashionable to just say the truth. David Price would’ve represented almost our entire offseason. It’s that simple, Jim. Almost no one would make that decision. … To me, it comes down to we had a very, very, very challenging pitching dilemma here in that we lost him, we lost [Marco] Estrada. We had zero Triple-A pitchers — not one, not a name to fill our rotation in Triple-A. We had to take the money, which was ample, and figure out how to both solve the Major League rotation, which was two spots in the rotation, along with solving a depth challenge. … Regardless of how great one pitcher is, you need to build a team around the guy, too.”

More from Shapiro and more on the Jays…

  • Within that same interview, Shapiro also said that he discussed multiple concepts with Josh Donaldson’s representatives before agreeing to a two-year, $29MM contract. The club explored long-term contract scenarios that would buy out free-agent years as well as three-year deals to lock in all of his remaining arbitration seasons and also just straight one-year deals. “Josh is a guy that not only performed at an elite level from a talent perspective but provided the energy, leadership and competitive edge that, to me, fueled this team last year,” said Shapiro of the reigning American League MVP.
  • With Donaldson’s contract situation now resolved, the club can turn its attention to Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion. Shapiro explained that the team has a clear desire to extend each player, but the question of what it will take to do so is significant. Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron attempts to price out an extension for Bautista, who will turn 36 in October and is thus considerably older than the typical extension candidate. Even elite position players in Bautista’s age class have been limited to a maximum of four years, writes Cameron, citing the contracts for Victor Martinez, Ben Zobrist and Carlos Beltran as examples of older stars that have taken four (or, in Beltran’s case, three) years on the open market. As Cameron notes, a good bit of decline will need to be expected over the term of the contract, and it’s likely that Bautista would look like an overvalued asset in a four-year deal’s final season. Ultimately, after making a four-year WAR projection and forecasting for some year-to-year regression, Cameron arrives at a four-year, $75MM pact as a reasonable price.
  • There’s some sense to that deal for both sides, to be sure, though I personally wonder if Cameron’s general hypothesis that Bautista would land at four years and $90MM on the open market next year undersells his earning potential. Assuming a characteristically productive season, Bautista could be the premier bat on a thin free-agent market, and age notwithstanding, a $22.5MM annual value isn’t the top of the spectrum for premium power hitters. I’d wager that a current Blue Jays extension would have to top $80MM in total value, as I can envision enough interest in his bat to push that earning ceiling closer to, or even north of $100MM on the open market, either via an increased annual value or via a club tacking on a fifth year (at a much lower rate) as a means of pushing its offer over the top. (For those interested in further reading on Bautista, MLBTR’s Mark Polishuk profiled his extension candidacy back in November.)
  • Gavin Floyd’s strong finish to the 2015 season in Cleveland impressed not only Shapiro and GM Ross Atkins (both were still with the Indians at the time), but a number of Blue Jays scouts as well, writes Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith. Floyd’s fastball sat at 92 mph and touched 95 mph, writes Nicholson-Smith, and with three additional breaking pitches in his arsenal, Atkins, Shapiro and the scouting staff deemed him worthy of a 40-man roster spot if that was the final component needed to get Floyd to Toronto. “He has the make-up of a starter with a repeatable delivery and a four-pitch arsenal,” said Atkins. “We’ve also seen his work ethic up close and we know it’s going to be there.” As Nicholson-Smith notes, Floyd doesn’t need to provide much value to justify such a minimal investment.
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18 Comments

  1. Fred 3

    9 years ago

    Cheap Rogers!

    Reply
    • stormie

      9 years ago

      Cheap? They’re already paying about CAD$190 million for their payroll, 4 years ago the Jays had a CAD$90 million payroll. How much do they have to spend before people will be satisfied that they’re trying to win?

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      • Tools_of_Ignorance

        9 years ago

        Let’s not forget that revenue sharing dollars are all $USD, and the salary inflation/market correction the industry has undergone in those four years. Or that the team’s owners own the stadium and the broadcast rights. Based on their market size, these salary numbers are not as proud as you believe. And the $90M figure you quote was during a rebuilding phase when salaries are well below the team’s means.

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        • stormie

          9 years ago

          Considering the Jays’ revenue went up last year and figures to be higher this year, they are likely losing money in revenue sharing now, so that’s actually another point that shows how much more money Rogers is putting into the team now than a few years ago.

          Either way, in their native currency their payroll is higher than every team except the Yankees and Dodgers, Signing David Price would’ve put them above the Yankees. Certainly the Jays are a large market team and can spend like it, but that’s expecting a lot.

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  2. jaysfan77

    9 years ago

    Please stop spreading the news Jose can get that much on the open market please! Lol ssshhhhh

    Reply
    • FrozenRopes

      9 years ago

      He could get more, look at the FA slugger market next year.

      Reply
      • jr85

        9 years ago

        Jays fan 77. Your comment went right over frozen ropes head. Sad…

        Reply
  3. ontario_dave

    9 years ago

    If the NL goes with the DH rule, both he and Encarnacion could command more….

    Reply
  4. quisenberrya

    9 years ago

    J bautista i s a washout. To ronto got lucky last year. 4th place in the division this year

    Reply
    • kiermaier

      9 years ago

      yeah I feel the same way the jays havent really improved from last year

      Reply
      • stormie

        9 years ago

        They have improved, and they already led baseball in run differential by a wide margin, how much better did they need to get? A LOT would have to go wrong for the Jays to finish 4th. They are still the team to beat.

        Reply
    • encarnacionsparrot

      9 years ago

      Okay I’ll bite. They won the division by 6 games. I wouldn’t call that luck.

      Reply
      • dorfmac

        9 years ago

        Then why does (almost) everyone say it was luck in 2014 when the O’s won by 12?

        Reply
        • Torontopoly

          9 years ago

          Because the O’s had every player outperform their projections. Whereas the Jays finally performed to them without significant injury challenges. To say this team isn’t better than the one that started the year last year is a joke. You’ve replaced Reyes with Tulo, have a full season of Stroman ahead, and will have Travis healthy and replacing Caillou (Goins) in due time.

          They’ve also added a lot of depth to the rotation and have Storen shoring up the bullpen. The division will be taken by Boston or Toronto.

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        • kiermaier

          9 years ago

          boston wont be contending they still have a bad rotation and have too many question marks with their rotation beyond price

          Reply
        • MB923

          9 years ago

          Don’t let Boston’s last place finish (again) fool you. They had a very good August and September, and ended up 4th in runs scored. They also improved their bullpen a lot, which as shown by last year’s KC Royals can be a huge key factor between winning and losing (Royals starters threw the fewest innings in the AL last year, and had the 2nd lowest fWAR in the AL)

          I will agree that thier rotation still has questions outside of Price. And they traded Miley too who led the team in innings pitched last year, though his replacement is a pretty good pitcher. Nevertheless, that rotation does have questions. Would it surprise me if Boston falls short of the playoffs? No, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they make it either. A lot can happen in just 1 year.

          Reply
  5. HibbardsHustler

    9 years ago

    The bar has been set with Josh. 15M a year. Jose and Edwin should expect the same. Both will get 4 years 80M range offers. Great for both teams.

    Reply
  6. draushaus

    9 years ago

    Cardinals: Justin Morneau. He might be a good fit, whether taking over first base or sharing with Adams.. The Cardinals don’t need outfielders. Grab this hitter while he’s available.

    Jay Bruce? Blue Jays. He’s young yet. And they may need a new bat ramping up for coming years, to slot in if one of their sluggers departs. It might be time to buy. Let him take over for Ben Revere.

    What’s the price tag on Jimmy Rollins? White Sox might benefit from a veteran presence in the infield. Would he be interested in coming to Chicago as insurance at shortstop?

    Twins: Could use some competition yet in the rotation. How about Ross Ohlendorf? He’s like Chris Young and could turn it on at any time.

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