The Braves have tried to trade Hector Olivera since the outfielder’s arrest earlier this month on a charge of misdemeanor assault and battery, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reports. Olivera is currently on paid administrative leave while Major League Baseball investigates the alleged incident under the league’s domestic violence policy, and a suspension is widely believed to be in his future.
With this disturbing charge hanging over Olivera, it’s no shock that Atlanta would be looking to move on from the 31-year-old outfielder, and it’s as equally unsurprising that rival teams aren’t jumping to make a deal. Olivera’s trade value is so low that one executive whose club was approached by the Braves told Passan that he “can’t believe they even asked.”
Aroldis Chapman, of course, was traded from the Reds to the Yankees while facing a domestic violence investigation last winter, though obviously Chapman is a far more proven talent on the Major League stage. Olivera has only 108 MLB plate appearances to his name and he’s produced just a .245/.296/.378 slash line. Furthermore, Olivera is owed roughly $3.4MM remaining this season and $28.5MM from 2017-2020. While a suspension under the domestic violence policy would erase any salary commitments owed under that timeframe of games, the Braves or any other team would still likely owe a significant chunk of money to a player with big question marks both on and off the field.
It was just over a year ago that Olivera was one of the most sought-after players on the international market, as at least nine teams were reportedly interested in signing the Cuban star before the Dodgers landed him with a six-year, $62.5MM contract. A signing bonus accounted for $28MM of the deal, and Los Angeles already paid that entire amount as part of the very complex three-team, 13-player trade that sent Olivera to the Braves last July. The fact that the Dodgers parted ways with Olivera just months after signing him to a rich deal raised eyebrows in the first place, as Olivera had battled injuries in the minors and only showed flashes of his hitting potential. Once Olivera joined the Braves, he faced another change over the winter as the Braves moved him into a primary left field role after he’d spent most of his career in Cuba at either second or third base.
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Sorry Braves, you don’t get off that easily.
WAH1447
Release him eat the money and move on worst trade John hart could have made
Gogerty
Could have made worse trades, ask Stewart in Arizona. What did we really lose in the trade?
dbacksrs
He has not been all that great in his four starts but Alex Wood has a ton of potential and would consider him a big loss for Atlanta.
steelerbravenation
Yes Wood has a ton of potential and he could make the deal really come back to hurt us but you can’t win every trade. But for me the deal was at a loss once it was established that Hector couldn’t play 3rd. But I think it’s safe to say if the Braves release him he will be picked up by somebody for the minimum and rake once givin the oppurtunity. If you can’t move him than I just say release him and move on.
I could see a team like the Rays picking him up for the minimum not trading for him of course.
Acuña Matata
Alex Wood’s *had* a bunch of potential. His velocity is down, everything else is up. One Tommy John at UGA. Joe Simpson pointed out when he first came up “fourth round mechanics but first round stuff”, except the stuff didn’t live up to the hype except in small flashes.
The equality of the trade isn’t based on Hector Olivera and Alex Woods. Its based on Paco Rodriguez, Zach Bird and the Comp. Pick the Braves received.
As it stands for the Dodgers: Alex Woods has been Alex Woods but worse. Bronson Arroyo (nothing). Avilan (eh). Jim Johnson (awful for the Dodgers now back with Braves). Peraza (traded and now languishing in AAA for the Reds. Thanks Brandon Phillips)
Even if Hector never suits up for the Braves again, Hart convinced the Dodgers to pay for his signing bonus and then trade him to us for the above mentioned pieces (and then some, Thanks Marlins). I’m not overly concerned.
BlueSkyLA
In fairness to a FO I am definitely not shy about lambasting, the Dodgers got a bit more than Wood and the others you mention for Olivera. Peraza was flipped (along with Schebler, out of options) for Micah Johnson, Trayce Thompson, and Frankie Montes. Wood is a work in progress, and if it wasn’t for the raft of starting pitching injuries, he’d be working it out in the minors.
steelerbravenation
I really don’t see how the Olivera deal was so horrible for the Braves unless Paco and or Bird don’t provide anything. And as far as Perazza goes when Hart missed the boat on him was when the Yankees were looking at him last year we may have been able to get more for him then but for me Bird, Paco and Comp pick for Wood Avilan and Peraza I am ok with that deal.
Albies seems to be held in higher regard with a similar skill set to Peraza.
In hindsight I don’t see the disaster it’s made out to be unless Paco flops or Bird never makes it to the show and produces or Wood wins 20 games. I am fine with the deal. Not like Wood is the next Nolan Ryan and we got Jim Fergosi.
fartrellcluggins
@ layercake
At least stay updated. Wood hasnt had the results yet, but his velocity has actually gone up to previous levels he had when he first came up to the bigs
Acuña Matata
and yet, OBP, BABIP, SLG, OPS, K/9, BB/9, H/9, have all been trending the wrong direction. So I am keeping up to date. In fact with this perceived “increase in velocity” is working against him early on in 2016.
Overbrook
Really strange why the Reds preferred those Dodger prospects over the 3 that the Whitesox sent to the Dodgers.
Mike Query
You’re very wrong on the velocity, all 3 pitchers are up in velocity this year and its been fairly highly publicized. Read a fangraphs article or check out his pitch fx. And referencing Joe Simpson right away is a great way to lose any credibility you may have had.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Peraza was a SS. Schebler is also a guy who can flourish in that ban box. The three pieces fit the Dodgers better especially since the prize of that trade was Montas who is probably looking like a bullpen piece. All three pieces are looking like nice complementary pieces as opposed to Peraza who could maybe be something more at a premium position.
BlueSkyLA
Peraza was a pretty lousy SS, which it seems is why they found another position for him. If the Reds want to convert him back they are going to have their work cut out for them. As for Montas, he fits the profile of all the other relievers this FO has either sought out or held. Hard thrower, weak command, lack of quality secondary pitches. I don’t know that we needed another Hatcher, Baez, Garcia, but we sure got one.
Acuña Matata
@Mike Query
and yet somehow you miss my other post which goes more to the point. Yet you guys seem to want to nitpick his velocity ignoring everything else.
You act like Joe Simpson stole lunch money from you. What exactly in his quote is incorrect? Wood’s does have 4th round mechanics with 1st round stuff. Plus, Joe was quoting a scout. So now that unnamed scout has no credibility i guess now too.
flyerzfan12
Only way he’s trade-able is if the Braves do the opposite of the position they were in in the Arroyo trade and include a top young prospect along with Herrera’s contract. And with the situation the Braves are in, that makes no sense for them to do. Either ride the process out or release him and eat the money.
Gogerty
Agreed, but who is Herrera?
flyerzfan12
haha whoops, my bad…Olivera, no idea where that came from.
Gogerty
Haha, wasn’t sure if I missed something.
steelerbravenation
No loss at least we now know where the Braves stand and who is to say it will be a total waste we have yet to see what Bird & Paco become. Win some you lose some Wood is not as good with the Dodgers as he was with us, Avillan is in the minors, & Peraza isn’t lighting it up in Cincy either.
But I do like the fact we an now move Mallex to LF where his arm plays better and Inciarte stays in CF with Markakis in RF.
The question now is do we move Markakis (which I am not in favor of ) while he is productive, do we move Inciarte after he establishes being healthy (which we may be able to get a lot for) or do we go with an all LH hitting OF with limited power but would be above average fielding(which I would ok with)
Overbrook
On the one hand, the Braves should move Markakis. He isn’t doing much good on a team that will be lucky to win 60 games with or without him. On the other hand, he just won’t bring much…maybe a B level prospect. He’s got no power and a significant contract. White Sox could use him, but they shouldn’t give much for him.
The Braves rebuild looks like a real long term project. some of the other rebuilders are having a lot of prospects popping on their major league rosters and doing well. Not so the Braves.
steelerbravenation
That’s why I say don’t trade Markakis I think his leadership and professionalism for the youngsters would be more valuable than what we could get back. The only problem is we would have an all LH hitting OF with little to no power.
I don’t like Adonis at 3B maybe moving him to LF and trading Inciarte once he establishes his health. I believe when healthy he would bring the biggest return. As you see with only 3 HR we need to find some power somewhere. I really wanted Beltre for 3rd but he resigned with Texas.
Also maybe we could pry Sanchez from the Yankees to give us a catcher of the future with come pop. We def got enough young arms to get somebody or what I would like to see is Wieters signed for a contract that will allow Herbert to come up when it’s done.
All the teams that have been rebuilding went thru some lean years this just happens to be our 1st one after a half a season last year. And Aldo some teams like the Phillies were able to get more MLB ready prospects where we got guys a little ways off or coming off injury that prolonged their development.
Gogerty
Been with you the whole time and agree with most, but man would love to see Mallex start hitting.
steelerbravenation
On another note what kinda disaster is going on in Arizona when Shelby Miller gotta play LF lol 94 wins huh
chesteraarthur
They ran through position players then pinch hit with greinke. Greinke got a hit and they pinch ran for him with shelby miller. Then nick ahmed got ejected for calling balls and strikes and since they had no position players left, they had to stick miller in lf after putting him in to pinch run
aff10
Yeah that was completely a fluke situation, just a very rare occurrence that happens sometimes with National League baseball, because Ahmed got ejected for arguing a strike call (which was terrible btw). I’m not saying they win 94 games, or that the Shelby Miller trade was a win for the D-Backs, but that’s not indicative of the team’s talent as a whole, just a weird scenario
steelerbravenation
Yeah I saw the highlights and heard the rundown of what happened and understand it was a fluke situation. I just find it funny happening to them. Nothing has been going their way this year. Greinke has’t been the same as years past, they got fleeced for Shelby Miller and he hasn’t been very good and Pollock’s fluke injury. Seems like when it rains it pours.
disadvantage
They’re doing fine even with their shortcomings. Once Greinke starts throwing like he used to (it’s not a solid bet that he will pitch poorly the rest of the year) and Miller starts playing like the left fielder the Dbacks traded for (oh, and pitches well, I suppose), then they’ll be right where they need to be.
steelerbravenation
on another note Stewart was so high on Maeda coming from Japan. More so than anybody else but the Shelby Miller deal prevented him from making a hard push for him. Wouldn’t Inciarte in CF for the injured Pollock and Maeda look better in the rotation for Shelby. With Blair and Dansby in the cut for another deal or to have for the future. I just don’t see 94 wins or anything close. It’s gonna be a fight between the Giants and Dodgers when it’s all said and done.
No Soup For Yu!
Aside from that ugly first start, Greinke has been pitching like his old self. The 3 HR he’s allowed all came in that first start so he’s been doing fine. The pitcher to be worried about is Shelby Miller.
JT19
Maeda was a huge “IF” type of player. I doubt even the Dodgers thought he would be pitching this well.
BashBro
Hard to play CF with a BAD hammy! Got to be able to get on the field to replace someone else. D’backs are doing just fine. They went to SF and handled the Giants. Btw… I’m not a D’backs homer, but I think they will do just fine.
steelerbravenation
Yeah they handled the Giants swept them and still are only a game ahead of them. Also Inciarte with a bad hammy will be back before Pollock. And I also think they will be ok just not a 94 win team like Scottaz had stated before. I actually could see them competing for a wild card but I am sorry I believe 94 wins could win that division but I see the Giants and Dodgers both better.
And yeah Maeda was a big if coming from Japan but it had been stated that Dave Stewart had always been extremely high on him and he had a chance to bring him on and he passed on that to get fleeced by my Braves.
BashBro
You keep saying “Fleece”. How many ALL STARS do the Braves have so far?? When all those guy become everyday/impact players, then I will concede that point. It’s TOO early to say. Only people that have gotten fleeced are the fans in ATL. it’s a disgrace that a storied franchise went into a rebuild for NO apparent reason. I bet it’s a coincidence it happened after the stadium was approved, right?
aff10
Ok, the 94 wins thing was one extremely optimistic fan. I can safely say as a D-Back fan that 94 wins was likely out of the question before Pollock went down, even more so now. I think 87-88 seems more appropriate, but I’m not sold enough on the Dodgers to write off a Wild Card berth, although it would be a surprise. The Giants, on the other hand, I think will eventually run away with the West
steelerbravenation
Of course it came after the stadium was approved. And the Braves totally needed a rebuild Frank Wren ran us into the ground with the high strikeout big power and barren farm system. After seeing the success of the Mets, Royals, Astros and Cubs I have absolutely no problem with Hart & Coppy tearing the whole thing apart to rebuild from scratch. And I would think all Brave fans would agree.
As far as the fleece goes in any way you wanna put it that trade was terrible on the DBacks side as well as the Toki trade. After the signing bonus how much money did the DBacks really save on that deal ? To tell you the truth I believe so far head to head Blair’s outing yesterday points the needle towards the Braves on that deal alone.
As a Brave fan I couldn’t have been happier with the start of the rebuild’s timing. We still had assets to move in order to rebuild faster.
steelerbravenation
Yeah I don’t mean to get at all DBacks fans there are many realistic ones out there I am just pressing the buttons of the ones who got do crazy and excited after the Greinke signing. Some of them were ready to print playoff tickets already.
baseballrat
One outing
baseballrat
JoJo Reyes started out strong and was a Can’t miss prospect.
stymeedone
Grienke doesn’t have to pitch “poorly” to be a bust. He just has to pitch
un-Geienke like. You can’t pay a pitcher $30MM a year to not be an ace.
steelerbravenation
No JoJo Reyes was not a can’t miss prospect. If you were looking to bring a guy up that didn’t turn out as expected you had a lot better options than JoJo Reyes. How bout Frenchy or Salty or Bethancourt damn Tommy Hanson woulda been a better example
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Maeda didn’t happen because Grienke happened. Miller worked because it only cost prospects. If Arizona had the money imo Stewart definitely would have jumped on Kendrick and Maeda. It’s hard though with paying Grienke 34 . Although it’s looking like Corbin and Ray will be the real deal. Miller on the other hand that’s going to be interesting. As of now that looks like an extreme overpay in just the present cash of prospects. But hindsight 20/20 no one really saw Pollock getting injured.
bravesfan357
haha that’s a very close minded statement. You act like scouting and development is just Houdini magic. Dbacks def overpaid, but didn’t have many options as good as Shelby. And in turn chose to overpay Atl in the process.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
It’s not Houdini magic at all and that’s not what the intending comment was trying portray. It was just a sequence of events. It just understanding the financial state teams are in. They simply saw Grienke as absolute ace which he is. But paying that much of payroll on a 32 pitcher puts restrictions on what else they can do. They had more cash flow in term of prospects than they did in money after they signed Grienke. Stewart from what was reported liked Kendrick. He also liked Maeda, but saw him a middle of the rotation guy. Reports can also blurry the truth. Would he attempted to pursue those two if he had the money to? All I was saying is in terms of prospect they over paid in the Miller trade. The question then becomes is Miller the type of guy worth overpaying for? There are so many different camps on his value. And the season will tell it all. Two contracts that could the Dbacks are the Grienke and Tomas contracts. But boy can the Dbacks hit.
User 4245925809
Could be worse. Jose Reyes still has around 40m left coming to him if one counts the buyout on his 2018 option for a spouse beater. Rockies would be glad to swap them, Reyes a year older, but he’s put together a marvelous career, compared to Olivera that some wondered why LA ever gave that much to in the 1st place at such an age.
How Hart gets anything, even paying the entire contract will be fun to see, sort of like Boston getting anything after they pay all of Sandoval’s contract and he’s 2y younger with a track record, like Reyes.
stymeedone
Perhaps Sandoval, or Castillo could be had from the Red Sox, but I’d rather keep Olivera than do that.
Gogerty
Would rather eat the money left on Olivera than take on worse.
disadvantage
Tony Reagins would have been all over Olivera by now.
coachfred64
@Braves are so quick to distant themselves from a player with any baggage what so ever,this hasn’t even been played out yet. If they want to get out of a situation send away the incompetent manager
steelerbravenation
I agree I think it’s about time to cut bait with Fredi and hand over the reigns to Eddie Perez. I wonder if that move would upset Terry Pendleton any. Not that it matters as the 1st base coach but I think he feels he should have the next oppurtunity.
coachfred64
Of the current staff Pendleton would be my 3rd choice behind Eddie Perez and 3rd base coach Porter if it were someone one the staff now. I’d prefer they go away from the Bobby Cox tree and get some fresh thinking in the clubhouse.
woodb
I agree. I say go get the Nationals previous manager or offer it to Chipper Jones
Gogerty
Think Chipper is serious about wanting more FO than the bench, but that could just be talk.
woodb
We will trade Olivera and Aybar for Sandavol
Gogerty
No, no, no, taking on worse contract with Pablo.
olereb
Man, stay away from the Bobby Cox tree, are you serious? Just what does a person have to do, there is nobody that is respected more in baseball than Bobby Cox. That statement you made just showed how much you know about the game