Even before a recent injury to Tyler Flowers, the Braves wanted to acquire a catcher this month who could serve as their primary starter in 2017, MLB.com’s Mark Bowman reports. That means they will likely ask the Brewers about Jonathan Lucroy, who they’ve kept tabs on in the past. They would, however, likely need to feel they could extend Lucroy if they were to acquire him, since he is eligible for free agency after his $5.25MM 2017 option.
In the wake of Flowers’ hand fracture, which Bowman previously reported could keep him out until September, the Braves are using A.J. Pierzynski and Anthony Recker behind the dish. Pierzynski, though, is 39 and has hit .206/.228/.250 this season, and Recker has never started in the big leagues for any extended period and has hit lightly in parts of six Major League seasons.
The team also just added George Kottaras on a minor league contract, as SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo tweets, although that appears to be more of a depth move — Kottaras has at times shown good power for a catcher, but he has not collected more than 100 plate appearances in the big leagues since 2013 and played sparingly even in the minors in the last two seasons.
That’s not to say a major deal seems likely. Flowers hit well this season before his injury (.253/.343/.425), and his framing has been highly rated of late. He’s also under contract for 2017. Bowman notes that the Braves would like to use him as a backup next season (and he mostly hit like one in several seasons before 2016), but he appears to be at least a reasonable option as a starter. Also, Braves president of baseball operations John Hart doesn’t sound optimistic about the possibility of making a significant acquisition, although he acknowledges the team will try.
“Right now, I think we’d have to stand in line to get our catching position solved,” says Hart, via Bowman. “We’re certainly going to look at catching, but I don’t know that we’re going to find the right guy to step in right now. But don’t think for a minute we’re not examining the catching situation.”
This week, MLBTR’s Steve Adams examined this year’s trade market for catchers. Besides Lucroy, top options who are available through 2017 including Welington Castillo, Derek Norris and Cameron Rupp, among others. Former Braves backstop Brian McCann could also be available, although given McCann’s salary, that deal would likely have to be fairly complex. The Braves could also perhaps look for someone younger, although Bowman says they’re looking for someone who’s “established.”
chipper0321
Maybe talk to Yankees about Sanchez ?
George Herman
“Looking for someone established.”
chipper0321
We don’t need an “established Catcher” until we are ready to contend..which will not be next year
myaccount
Tell that to Hart, not random dude posting in a comments section.
Out of place Met fan
Getting someone established has more to do with bringing along the young pitching staff than it does with contending. Would not be surprised if Atlanta doesn’t bring in the veteran and a prospect between now and ST.
FWIW I would gamble on Zunino
dlevin11
Maybe talk to Red Sox about Swihart or Vasquez
gomerhodge71
For Teheran?
Sam.rhodes16
Not as a centerpiece. Maybe as a complementary/secondary piece
chesteraarthur
But who else do the braves have to include as a centerpiece
petfoodfella
Only the best Farm System in baseball.
bravesfan1234
Troll gonna troll
chieftoto
You guys are misreading this. Sam meant Swihart/Vazquez wouldn’t be the centerpiece. Not Teheran. If Teheran is traded, he is 100% the centerpiece.
Sam.rhodes16
Correct. Sorry for the confusion y’all
tomahawk21
Exactly. If our prospects got the love Bosox guys did the Braves system would look even more like the best in baseball than it is.
ollierucker
The Yankees will ask the world of the braves in order for them to get Sanchez. Also, he may not be major league ready.
Zclee
As a braves fan I would love that
braves10 2
Why trade? The braves are suppose to have 50-60 mil this winter sign Ramos is the best option. If they can’t sign him, sign an older catcher to a one year deal and then sign lucroy in 2018. Or they could trade for the young controllable swihart, but only if they can’t sign Ramos.
steelerbravenation
I like the idea of making a move for Lucroy. If they can’t sign him long term this offseason then they could always move him by the deadline.
What would it take to get him ?
Also who else ” established” could be had ?
K_N_Player
Derek Norris, Wellington Castillo, Brian McCann, or Cameron Rupp
Houcorrea
Rupp????
Sam.rhodes16
He ain’t established by any definition, but he’s hitting.
chound
They do need a serious candidate for catcher, but didn’t Lucroy just come out and say he wants to play for a contender? Also, get ready for a thousand trade proposals that are Bregman and Gattis for Teheran and XYZ…
chieftoto
I already put that out there two days ago.
chound
Cool story.
chieftoto
Hey thanks man!
cubsfan24
You can have Miguel Montero for Julio Teherans autograph
chound
+1
bravesfan1234
Sounds risky. How about a Nick Markakis autograph instead?
cubsfan24
Ok but only if it’s any autographed pitcher of Markakis and you kick in an autograph to be named later
chieftoto
Key, Peele and these guys. New show airing on Comedy Central starting September 4 at 9/8c.
Matthew23Baltimore
Jason Castro?
Houcorrea
As an Astros fan, you can have him
hashtagbeatlaclothing
Giants are wasting Susac right now.
lavincolindo
Any chance they make a run at Wilson Ramos this offseason? We keep hearing about “increased financial flexibility”…
Houcorrea
For Albies?
Sam.rhodes16
For money in the offseason… No way we trade our #1 spec for a rental catcher…
southi
Although my own opinion is meaningless, I’m not sure I want the braves spending minor league resources on an expensive (to acquire catcher). Don’t get me wrong, because improvement is needed in that position. I personally prefer an almost ready option like Reese McGuire.
I’d much prefer guys like Barnes or Susac who wouldn’t cost as much to acquire, but at least have some promise compared to what it would cost to acquire some one like Lucroy. I just don’t put a high priority on “need” for this season. I guess the braves don’t like the upcoming free agent catchers for one reason or another.
There are some guys however who might come in package deals or buy low options (for various reasons). Gattis, Montero, and even Zunino come to mind as options.
With that said, the right deal might come through and surprise us all.
jimmyz
It obviously depends on what types of deals develop, if any, but it would seem to make more sense for the Braves to try to get a top catching prospect as part of a package for Teheran. Wieters and Ramos are free agents at the end of the season, if they want an “established” guy and keep their prospects.
tylerall5
Reese McGuire isn’t going anywhere, maybe Elias Diaz can be made availible.
Sam.rhodes16
Braves aren’t interested which is fine with you I’m sure. Only interested in top tier guys coming back. Second tier as one of the main pieces isn’t really an option.
Niekro
Wonder what McCann would cost in the off season James McCann is still young enough he may still develop his offense, would rather have someone who is going to be around handling the young pitchers. We don’t need an all star catcher next year. Pitch framing does not like him but I think that is something else he can still improve on, he already has vastly improved from last year to this year, even though the only way to go was up, he is an above average defensive catcher already.
petfoodfella
I wouldn’t want McCann back at any cost, not after him bolting the first time. I miss his attitude behind the plate, but I’d rather have Norris or Wieters.
bleacherbum
Derek Norris would be a good fit with Atlanta. He is a gamer that plays his tail off every night. He will hit 20 & drive in 75 every year and he has moved into the top 5 defensively for catchers in all of Baseball. Not to mention Hedges is lighting it up at AAA and needs regular playing time. Norris for Touki Touissant straight up?
Gogerty
I like the idea of Norris, with him blocking Hedges, shouldn’t cost too much.
Sam.rhodes16
I personally just don’t want us spending prospects on a catcher when we have flowers playing well and plenty of decent stopgaps to pay in the offseason like Weiters or Ramos.
No need to spend prospects when we can just wait and spend money this offseason without losing our specs
Gogerty
That is a solid point as well. I have said all along I like Flowers. Give Tyler a full season with only a day off a week and not two to three and I think his stats will be wonderful.
Sam.rhodes16
Exactly. No need to spend specs when we have a viable option in house.
braves4life1
Braves get: Wil Meyers and Derrick Norris
Padres get: Inciarte, Albeis, Jenkins, and Toussaint.
chound
I don’t want to say step back to go forward but that’s not a deal I’d make if I were in charge of Atl.
iamthumper
Nope, don’t want outfielders. The other three pieces are nice, very nice. But the Padres are not inclined to move Meyers unless they get a major overpay, think switching albeis with Swanson, which the braves will not do
chound
Just saying, Albies has been elevated to the top slot in the Braves system… you’re a bit misguided BUT no reason to not want Swanson more, You’re doing so for the wrong reason.
iamthumper
i was merely stating that the Padres are not included to move Myers in any way shape or form, unless they are getting a massive overpay. And the reason for thinking of simply switching them is for the point of illustration. Not the players themselves. Norris is absolutely on the block, Myers is not,
chound
I get yeah boss-man! Yeah no Myers, I agree.
RunDMC
You got Myers, Derek Norris, Albies and Touissant wrong but Inciarte right. Go figure.
DVail79
don’t sell inciarte … one of the best defensive cf in baseball … and I would imagine Myers would cost more … I do like the idea of Derek Norris though
bravosfan4life
Hell no that’s awful trade
chieftoto
Doesn’t help either team…
Houcorrea
Interesting
olereb
No!!!!!
Ed Charles
Sure hope the phillies don’t trade Rupp. Kid has a cannon for an arm and is pretty good at the plate, Only 27 years old.
Houcorrea
Haven’t heard much about him. Will look into him
iamthumper
The question about this is what are the Braves going to be willing to give up. I dont understand the desire to add a starting catcher unless they feel they can be competitive in the next two years. Hard to see that given the division and the lack of impact bats there. Pitching rich system thou could make them very popular this trade deadline depending on who they make available.
Niekro
It is unfortunate Flowers was injured I know most Braves fans would not like it but I would see it as a very fair deal Teheran + Flowers for McCann,Burrows,Stewart,Jones,Ziomek and Ravenelle I’m sure more could be added for Viz too.
Burrows will be a top 100 prospect next year, Jones has too many tools not to like, McCann great defensive catcher, Ziomek and Ravenelle two Vandy guys who will bring more winning mentality, I don’t know much about Stewart maybe the package would be enough for Viz included.
The immediate reaction of course will be anger but if you look beyond prospect ratings this is an extremely fair trade a risky trade but fair, what trade isn’t risky.
Sam.rhodes16
Need big names back. Really hard to sell continual trades without getting back big names if you’re Coppy.
Injediwetrust
Likewise for AJ..
Sam.rhodes16
He was talking about a tigers trade. AJ ain’t relevant bc the Braves aren’t trading for Norris
baumer16
I always thought the Braves and Brewers matched up the best when it came to a Lucroy trade. The rumor is Brewers want young pitching in return for Luc which Atlanta obviously has plenty of. And I’m sure Luc would be open to an extension as he is still open to extending with the Brewers and they are terrible so he should be open to one with Atlanta
braves2
I don’t like the idea of lucroy. I know he has hit well this year, but isn’t he 31? And they only want him if he will sign an extension? So when the Braves get competitive in 2018 they will have a low to mid 30s starting catcher? I thought they were trying to get younger?
baumer16
He is more than just an offensive catcher though. He’s also a really good defensive catcher and calls a heck of a game from behind the plate. He would do wonders for the young braves pitching staff. But I agree it would be kind of pointless if they couldnt sign him to an extension.
Theresabrewing
As a Brewers’ fan I don’t think Lucroy would be open to an extension with the Braves. He has voiced several times this past year that he wants to play for a contender. He would have to start seeing results from the Braves fairly quickly, and by selling the farm for Lucroy, I don’t think the Braves could do that by the end of the 2017 season……
Theresabrewing
He just turned 30 in June. I agree with you Braves 2015 on your point.
baseball10
The Braves have always liked Lucroy but the time to deal for him was after last season. Brewers are looking for an overpay now. I don’t expect the Braves to make a move for a catcher until the offseason
steelerbravenation
As much as I would like for it to happen I can’t see Lucroy happening. Everybody knows my stance I want Sanchez !!!!!!!! I think the Yanks are gonna turn to sellers so I don’t think he is a viable option either. I am almost willing to bet Brian McCann is coming home. Aaron Blair & Cervenka for McCann + $$$.
southi
yep, well established you are a big Sanchez fan (more ready, plus arm, and power), while I like McGuire (younger prospect, but AA, hit tool, better walk rates, above average arm and overall defense). Neither strike out much. Both SHOULD be an everyday starting catchers one day.
steelerbravenation
I am actually growing on McGuire I believe he may be easier to obtain. I think any deal for Sanchez would have to be for Teheran and I don’t know if I wanna do that. Who do you think the Pirates would take for McGuire ????
chieftoto
I honestly don’t know what the Pirates need besides starting pitching. Probably a blockbuster involving JT is the only route and that won’t happen.
steelerbravenation
You think Vizzy alone pulls McGuire ???? I would do that.
southi
Seriously doubt Vizcaino alone is some one who would bring McGuire.
Gogerty
Agreed sir, I do like McGuire over Sanchez by a hair.
joedirte4life
Why not just go after Ramos in free agency
southi
Actually there are a lot of catchers in upcoming free agency. However most have question marks are should command high prices or will be tied to qualifying offers (ex: Ramos and Wieters). Some of the options could be signed though for two year contracts though.
RunDMC
For what it’s worth, ATL will have a protected pick (at the rate they’re going). Though a 2nd Rd pick is still a high cost to a rebuilding team.
atlbraves80
I believe if the player is believed to be worth it the Braves will be willing to give up that second round because they should have a sandwich pick to make up for it. Wieters scares me because the past two seasons he has not played more than 75 games and we need that guy that’s going to be behind the plate most of the year.
southi
agreed.
MikePLV10
Braves won’t sign a FA with a QO and loose a draft pick.. In no way would that benefit the team.. They have a great amount of top pitching prospects in the system, especially after this years draft.. I believe they value their picks.. They will trade for a catcher but prob. Not a super high value guy!!
atlbraves80
If a FA player catcher was a top player even with the QO then it would be definitely be worth the draft pick to get the earablished player. The Braves lack that constant player who is going to produce at the plate outside of Freeman. It’s time we start loading up on some offense.
chound
I’m not saying the Braves aren’t flexible but I doubt QO’d players will be in the picture unless they’re dead sure about the draft and that won’t be possible. I mean… if there’s a generational player at 1-1 and they’ve secured that pick, they may be willing to forfeit a 2nd round pick, but I still doubt it.
KnuckleNasty
Too bad they don’the have a young catcher, like a Christian Betancourt type…
southi
Bethancourt maybe let things go to his head. Bethancourt was told over and over he was the catching savior for the Braves but he got to Atlanta and didn’t perform. He had several chances at the big leagues. However despite all his tools (and no matter how high the tools sometimes they don’t readily adjust to the majors), Bethancourt had numerous issues defensively in Atlanta. He could get on the same pages with pitchers. He was almost universally declared horrible at calling games, He had a high amount of passed balls, He had a rifle arm yes, but sometimes threw the ball away. Almost universally it was said that Bethancourt had a terrible work ethic and didn’t respond well to coaching at the big league level.
By no means am I saying that Bethancourt is a total flop, but for all the praise that was heaped on him by the Wren regime, the guy just did not show up in a Braves uniform. He was a classic change of scenery guy. I wish the guy all the luck and hope he has an excellent future in the big leagues, but don’t even insinuate that Bethancourt wasn’t given a chance to shine.
Look at his passed ball totals and wild pitch totals from this season. Still terrible per inning caught.
atlbraves80
Bethancourt hardly got several chances at the big leagues. The Braves totally screwed him by calling him up numerous times and then only playing him sparingly. He had a total of 269 at bats for the Braves and that’s not enough to gauge a player and his ability. I wish we still had him because he has the tools to be a very good catcher but was wasted in Atlanta.
southi
While I won’t deny that the braves could had managed his trips up and down better, the fact is that Bethancourt had several opportunities to impress and utterly failed. His calling card was supposed to be his defense, and that was the primary reason he kept getting sent down. Tons of players in the minors each year would have loved to have been given the opportunities that Bethancourt was given. His defensive play wasn’t up to standard, his attitude (by most accounts) stunk, and he didn’t appear to show what was needed of him.
I firmly believe if he had showed up with the defense, attitude, intangibles and even hit .215 the kid would still be a brave.
Injediwetrust
We have seen a lot of the same here in SD when he gets to play. Not saying it’s time to give up on him as it only cost the ever injured Kelly.. He’s pitched well though. Ha.
Sam.rhodes16
He needed a change of scenery. I wish him nothing but success in SD and it sucked he couldn’t put it together here
RunDMC
I’m tired of getting players that need a change of scenery from ATL. Melvin Upton Jr., Bethancourt, Ryan Butcher all former Braves finding success with SD.
Chief Knockahoma
They are going to put the band back together. Trade for BMac (2-years remain on his current contract). Sign Prado as a FA at 3rd (another 2 year deal). Leadership, just like Pendleton and Bream in ’91. Not going to get them to the series, but will help mold these young kids.
BraveCrowe
Hypothetical situation here.
Many say that Lucroy wouldn’t be interested in Atlanta since they would not contend. However, if the Braves were able to land in free agency say, Martin Prado to play 3rd and Ian Desmond to play LF wouldnt that change a lot about the current state of their lineup? That creates a situation where Markakis could be dealt. Not to mention that more than likely our middle infield would be Swanson and Albies, just to continue to the thought. If the Braves were able to trade for Lucroy and sign both of those pieces a possible lineup would look as such
Catcher – Lucroy
First – Freeman
2nd – Albies
SS – Swanson
3rd – Prado
LF – Desmond
CF – Mallex Smith (Inciarte if Markakis isn’t dealt)
RF – Inciarte (Markakis if not traded)
that is a pretty solid lineup top to bottom, tons of speed, would lack immediate power but would contain 3-4 guys who would stay around the 20 HR’s with 3 guys who could steal 30+ bases. moving into a new stadium with that kind of lineup would bring excitement!
MikePLV10
I think they keep Markakis, no Prado and Desmond could play 3rd.. I do like your thought though.. Prado and Markakis are very similar..
jesb0787
I actually don’t think that sounds that bad, but there may be just a few too many moving pieces to convince a guy like Luc to be the first person to start putting the pieces together. If I’m in his position, I think I might be more inclined to sign up with a team that already has a few positions solidified moving forward. That really would be a solid lineup top to bottom though — pretty darn good mix of power/speed/defense/youth. What does your staff look like moving forward? I’m sorry, I don’t know much about who you have coming up.
BraveCrowe
That is a really interesting question to ask because I can not say I honestly know because I do not know who would be involved in a possible trade to obtain a Lucroy type.
If I had to guess however I would say that our rotation next year would be something like ..
Teheran
Wisler
Folty
Jenkins
Newcomb
I wouldnt be surprised to see a couple of the pieces traded or frankly just not being in the rotation. It would be a pretty young rotation that would still have their growing pains but there is a whole lot of talent.
jesb0787
I can definitely see the value of having Lucroy in with that staff moving forward — you’re right, tons of talent. If the Braves can sell him on the potential of legitimately competing within the next few years, he might be down to stick around. Like you say, somebody might be sent back as one of the pieces, but the Brewers GM is also looking at acquiring A-ball guys to prep for a rebuild over the next 3-4 years, so it might not even require moving AAA or AA players if the younger players’ ceilings are high enough. Who knows, maybe we’ll see something that surprises us. I just want a fricking trade to happen already, getting tired of reading all the speculation!
bennie2323 2
I would expect Blair to have spot in rotation next year. Jenkins may stay in pen long term…Newcomb probably is more 2018 at this point I would say.
BraveCrowe
all possibilities, I for one am just not sold on Blair, that is just my opinion he may prove me wrong. I know its unfair to judge him off of his limited MLB appearances but I am just not impressed with his stuff.
petfoodfella
A lot needs to change for Blair to have a spot in the rotation. He’s terrible.
chieftoto
I agree. And Newcomb looks even worse.
petfoodfella
I’ve always felt they’d go after Wieters.
donniebaseball
They’ve expressed interest in wieters in the past. I think that makes a lot more sense than a trade does.
MikePLV10
ATL could go get a guy like Andrew Susac from San Fran and give him a shot with Flowers back to help guide him next season.. Low cost in terms of a trade..
bennie2323 2
Agree Blair needs to tweak something. His fastball seems a bit straight…maybe go two seamer more. The stuff is there I think it’s just a couple adjustments needed.
bleacherbum
Ramos & Weiters are going to cost too much in free agency and the Braves don’t want to get into a bidding war with the big spenders. Norris is 27, makes 2.9 million a year which is dirt cheap and is under control until 2019. He would be a nice middle of the order bat and would cost one of the young arms like Touissant. Not terrible, Braves are much better off losing a pitching prospect than spending 75 million dollars on a “established catcher” in free agency.
Sam.rhodes16
I don’t want to send Touki anywhere when we can get a better catcher this offseason or simply keep Flowers who has hit well and been above average at framing. Why spend prospects when we don’t have to?
steelerbravenation
If Norris is signed for that long than I wouldn’t mind making that move
EndinStealth
I don’t like the “established ” line. Look at what happened in St. Louis this season. They were reluctant to give Diaz the starting job when Peralta went down, stating he wasn’t established. They then went out and got Tejada who was “established”. Tejada gets injured also so Diaz is given a window. He’s now an All star and potential rookie of the year. While the established player, Tejada, was released again. Give the kids a shot. If the Braves don’t have a guy in their system pulling in one from another system is fine. No one is born established. The “established” line is often over rated and very often over paid.
Manny's Pancakes
Chance Cisco of the Orioles could be a good fit for the Braves. Maybe a Cisco + pitching prospect for Foltynewicz is possible? O’s need controllable pitching, will probably make another qualifying offer to Weiters this offseason. A strong playoff run might convince the front office to pay up for a multi year deal.
steelerbravenation
No way Folty goes anywhere and I doubt Cisco goes anywhere with Wieters bout to be a free agent. I think I am on McGuire. I think Vizzy and Krol can make it happen. The whole established quote got me thinking they are gonna make a push for Lucroy and hope he signs an extension aka Tex or get Norris. Anybody think Sims for Norris could work ?
EndinStealth
Lucroy will not sign an extension unless the Braves are in win mode. They won’t be for a couple more years.
Gogerty
Sorry steelerbrave, but cannot keep everyone and get everything. Folty’s name coming up would be interesting as he is still on the fence as to what he can be long term. Just saw the headline of Talking Chop, Harrell’s name coming up lately?
steelerbravenation
Got enough guys in Gwinnett to move Folty has moved into our number 2 starter with even more potential. My prediction is next year he puts it all together and has a breakout season. That’s why I say keep Teheran, Folty, & Wisler sign a veteran and use Gant, Blair, Sims or Harrell as trade bait. Let Perez hold down number 5 until Newcomb is ready. When Fried/Ellis is ready that’s when the veteran stop gap is let go.
I think a Sims and Blair package could be enough for Lucroy maybe throwing in a bullpen arm. Or Sims for Norris is fair. Folty should be close to untouchable. He has been extremely good this season.