While the Rays are fielding some calls on righty Chris Archer, the kinds of offers coming through the line have been good only for “comedic value,” a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). The report certainly suggests that Tampa Bay isn’t interested in the kind of buy-low offers it is apparently receiving. The young righty hasn’t quite been himself this year, but remains quite talented and controlled at a very cheap rate.
Here’s more from Rosenthal:
- The Yankees are discussing the possibility of trying to extend closer Aroldis Chapman, according to Rosenthal. Talks to this point are just internal and haven’t been raised with Chapman’s representatives, but the club isn’t set on selling off big league assets over the next few weeks. Team president Randy Levine maintained to Rosenthal that the Yankees like their team and won’t make a call on trading away veterans until much closer to the Aug. 1 non-waiver trade deadline.
- Carlos Gonzalez is perhaps the best player among current trade candidates, but the Rockies don’t feel the need to get out from underneath his contract in the same manner they did with Troy Tulowitzki, so he’s far from a lock to be moved. CarGo is batting an excellent .318/.367/.557 this season, and it’s interesting to note that over the past 365 days, he’s hitting .304/.354/.592 with a hefty 46 homers in 156 games played. His $17MM salary in 2016 and $20MM salary in 2017 are both reasonable sums for that level of production.
- The Rangers were in on Drew Pomeranz before his trade to the Red Sox, and they’re in on Rich Hill now that Pomeranz is off the market. The Rangers could also use an upgrade behind the plate, writes Rosenthal, who notes that Jonathan Lucroy would be preferable to Derek Norris, but the latter of the two is available as well. The Rangers, though, “probably do not view” any of the available trade candidates as worthy players to surrender top-tier young talent like Jurickson Profar or Joey Gallo.
- Some within the industry have told Rosenthal that Diamondbacks manager Chip Hale “could be in imminent danger” of losing his job, but D-backs sources denied the notion when asked, he continues. Rosenthal lists Bryan Price and Walt Weiss as skippers that are safe for now but may be seeking new employment come season’s end, and he notes that Robin Ventura, Brad Ausmus, John Farrell and Terry Collins could all be in the same boat if their clubs finish the season poorly.
Yankees like their old washed up team? Good, no titles in the near future.
Got the lotto numbers?
The Yankees will lose Tex and Beltran and $40mm of salary this winter. they are young up the middle with Didi, Castro, Hicks, and Sanchez all controllable. I would like to trade some pieces for lotto tickets, but the Yankees are in pretty good shape ’17 and forward.
Aren’t they also losing Sabbthia contract? The young up the middle pieces are good. But they have to accept the fact their old way of winning hasn’t worked. They need to get young. And spend the money on developing pitching and getting 1-2 established guys. No more jumping and giving up all your young pieces for aging superstars.
And they can do that If the 2018 FA class remains the same and If , of course , they open up their pockets again.
Biased much??? I have a truck load of sour grapes that can be had on the cheap!
It’s anecdotal, but from his games against the Giants Derek Norris looked awful. He couldn’t throw out runners (sf is not a big speed team) didn’t do a good job blocking balls and didn’t hit much. I don’t see how he is still a starting catcher much less an upgrade .
I am so sick of writers writing stories and quoting players HR stats when they hit in Coors field. There are ballpark adjustment figures at least put them in too. CarGo is a good hitter but put him in a different park he’s not going to hit 46 homers in 365 days. These kinds of statements need to come with a caveat.
No they don’t. Cargo has a very solid road OPS and Rockies hitters should never be judged by their road or home numbers anyway (their home numbers are inflated, but their road numbers are DE-flated, by about the same amount). It’s in fact you who needs to learn something.
I can’t tell if you’re serious, Seam…
There’s been research into it, it’s most definitely true.
Yea because Tulo, Hawpe, Atkins, Dickerson, Ianetta, Barmes, etc all continued to take after leaving the team. Right?
Exactly and there’s a thing called “field adjusted stats” where numbers are corrected based on the field they play in. Pitchers stats in AT
@seamaholic can you direct me to the studies or articles that discuss your statement? I don’t believe it to be accurate but I’m so arrogant to think there’s nothing I can learn so point me to something that explains it in detail. In the mean time I’ll try and find the “park factors” stuff I was reading and post that.
Well said Deke.
That was sarcasm …. Just i am not misunderstood.
@seamaholic
Just looking up CarGo’s stats. He’s hit 14 HR’s at home, 5 HR’s Away. His BA at home is .360 vs .285 at home. You’d have to be a moron not to realize that his numbers are inflated dramatically by playing half his games at Coors field and the other parks don’t “equalize” it when other players in the league don’t play half their games at Coors.
His current 2016 WRC+ (which adjusts for park factors) is 129 which ranks 33rd in MLB and 16th in the NL (which is still very good). Brandon Crawford ranks 2nd in the NL for 2016 and doesn’t get any where near the number of accolades and costs 5.8 million a year compared to 17 million.
Look I’m not saying he’s a crap player, I think he’s a wonderful player and wish he were on my team, but I just think people look at the HR numbers and their eyes light up without realizing they are inflated by where he plays. But in general the media just wants a headline and a big number is a great headline.
Still waiting for some articles or reasoning from you as to how Rockies players numbers are “equalized”.
Because he had a bad couple games, you dont think hes an mlb caliber starting catcher, let alone a good trade chip? People like you make me laugh
geg42, thank you for your incredible analysis of Derek Norris based off of your watching him play a couple games in person. Maybe you could be a scout for the Giants.
Just send Chapman to the Rangers for Gallo and be done with it. He’s not signing an extension.
The Rangers would never do that.
Yeah I can almost guarantee that won’t happen
Might for Miller
That’s so dumb.
Hey MLBTradeRumors’ writers, what sort of package would it take for a team like the Cubs, Sox or Rangers to get Archer? Obviously a MLB ready guy, top prospect , a mid top 100 and a couple lotto tickets? Or maybe more? Could the Cubs trade something like Hendricks, Torres, Happ, and Cease plus Hudson. Or maybe Baez, Jimenez, Soler, and a pitcher? Probably way underestimating his value, but good initial talks. I think the Cubs should market their top prospects (other than Contreras) because they could use a couple pitching upgrades. Definitely need 1 lock down relief pitcher, another starter, and another Lefty specialist.
Start with Bryant and Rizzo and we can talk.
I hope your joking or trolling
Don’t listen to Kyle…. he’s a Braves’ fan.
Don’t connect me with that ridiculous request… Braves fan but that dudes insane
Don’t listen to Judge Judy. He/She is a Red Sox fan with a Yankee avatar trying to make Yankee fans look like idiots with their dumb proposals (Chapman for Gallo)
Also is the one to say Yankee fans say their prospects are future HOFers when we know that is only from Red Sox fans (not all Red Sox fans of course) and some (again, not all) of the dumb writers from Boston.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baldvinny/status/634075825357385728
Right…..
HAHA. I can assure you he wasn’t being serious. Unlike someone like this…
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2015/01/the_next_five_boston_red_sox_h.html
How is Archer an upgrade? When pitchers start having problems — believe what you see. There is typically a reason they are getting hit like they stole something. With a 4.66 era and 1.44 whip I doubt Theo & Co. is going to dangle any of their top minor league talent.
Honestly, I have watched and listened to a decent amount of Rays games, so I feel confident in saying that he’s way better than his numbers. The Rays defense is shotty, and it’s funny that days before and after his starts they’ve had wicked offensive numbers (the Rays). He’s had some bad luck. Locked up long term. I think him coming back to the same organization and Bosio would be amazing. Apparently, the Rays are infatuated with Contreras and Baez, I would give up Baez for him (other parts needed), but Archer is one of the few guys worthy of it. Moore, Smyly, and Cobb are so uninteresting…
They probably inquired on Archer before going after Pomeranz. Better to Have Espinoza In the other league than to have him in the same division was the theory more than likely, or in my thinking at least.
That’s probably Tampa’s thinking about Archer as well. They would probably fleece any team in the division that wanted to trade for him.
Think of what Oakland would want for Sonny Gray, then add 25-50% to it. That’s the type of package it would take to get Archer.
You want to trade Baez, Soler,
I’m okay with soler getting traded. He literally has no future with this team. Baez I would love, love to keep. Said the same thing last deadline… But I’m a realistic Cubs fan. We’re not going to be able to trade Dan vogelbach to an AL team for their Ace. Lol some Cubs fans proposals are silly.
The Yankees like their team? I’m a long, long time Yankee fan and I hate their lineup. Levine must be sniffing glue. That’s the problem with the Yankee brass. The team is at .500 and they still think the have a chance for a wild card and get hot for the playoffs. Watch them hold tight and miss the wild card spot by 2 or 3 games.
If they want to keep Chapman I’d trade him now for controllable prospects and then try to re-sign him in the off season. No doubt that Chapman being on the open market will cost the Yankees more money, but with that they get some controllable prospects.
I’d rather see the Yankees lose 100 games this year and set themselves up for the next few years than just miss or even get the wild card and be lousy for the next 3 years.
My question is why not extend Chapman and trade Miller? You get the elite reliever and the prospects.
They can’t “just extend” Chapman. He is a person and has this funny thing called free will and he wants to maximize his earnings and knows that the best way to do this is to test the open market.
Relax dude, they’re just posturing. What possible incentive could they have for saying “yeah, we stink, might as well trade everyone for a bag of balls”.
Maybe they’re just trying to build value for their trade chips by saying that, otherwise, I’m not sure how u could like that line up either. Lol
You’re a fair weather fan, the Yankees don’t need you so feel free to go root for another team… The Mets went to the world series last year, go jump in their band wagon…
Yankees are in desperate need of fair weather fans. Your team’s fanhood is drowning in super diehards who can only live vicariously through your team’s past success… Your team is in need of these people to bring you back to earth where you belong.
Say what???
Do you need reading comprehension lessons?
It’s a rhetorical question. He knows what you’re saying. He just clearly thinks you’re wrong as do I. The Yankees have lead the AL in attendance every year since 2002, Including this year
So I don’t think they are in desperate need of fans. I do think however they are in need of fans to show up and stay more , and to fill out the more empty seats in the front rows.
The Yankee brass would love a full blown fire sale for the rest of this year but they would never justify the prices they charge for those diamond club sections or what they charge advertisers. And living in the NY area there are slot of fair weather Yankee fans that go to the games. If they are out of it nobody is going to the games.
Texas isn’t getting Hill if they aren’t giving up anyone top tier. Cubs have Vogelbach and Zagunis who can slot directly into Oaklands lineup tomorrow, any team wanting Hill will need to beat that package.
I could see it happening with the Rangers without them giving up any of the names listed in this article
Being a A’s fan they would love to have a Profar in the lineup but it would cost more than just Hill. I could see a Hill and Valencia deal for Profar. valencia would give the Rangers a right handed bat in the lineup that could play 1b or OF.
may happen the as dont want DV
Bryant, Rizzo, and Baez, Contreras are NOT going anywhere. Also the Cubs aren’t giving up 5 top players for a struggling pitcher. That sometimes means arm troubles. The package to et Archer should look something like this: Torres, McKinney, Candelario, Vogelbach, Tseng
Vogelbach , Torres or Candelario and Underwood could get them sonny gray or andrew miller
Gray and Miller are vastly different assets
Ugh. I hate the price (for archer), but you are more right than wrong. I would (try to) pull McKinney or candelario from the deal …
they could get andrew miller but the yankees made it clear that they want schwarber in return. Pretty sure the cubs can make a package to get him without letting schwarber go.
They don’t need MLB ready talent. The Rays need CONTROLLABLE talent.
This. So, so this
I would love to see the Rangers trade for Rich Hill. Heck I would even love a Matt Moore trade at this point. We are hurting for starting pitching in the worst way right now
You should start a support group with Red Sox and Orioles fans
Yankees need to trade two bullpen pieces and restock. They are going to have issues even losing some of their payroll. Ellsbury should be on the block too. Big overpay for him and typical Yankee. He has some value but give him one more year and they will be stuck with that contract too.
So Dave Stewart makes the worst trade in the past few years and buys HIGH on Greinke. Then their top offensive weapon is out for the season and in an ultimate CYA move he fires the skipper?
I think DS is out of his depth.
What do you think of a man named “Tuffy’?
This was my first thought. Laughable that they’d can Hale after assembling that POS roster.
They won’t fire themselves, so someone has to pay the price.
Two more managers will go before the front office does, I feel.
Sad, but that’s baseball.
That’s professional sports you mean.
I like the Yankees chances this year and think they should sign more older and expensive players because that’s how you acquire talent. I wish Cashman would trade for Werth and David Ross. Maybe offer to extend Niekro would be a good deal too.. WE can get back in this thing!! Let’s go 1990!!
I’ve been clamoring for the Cubs to make a move for Matt Moore, change of scenery might do him well, not as expensive as Teheran or Gray (although I’d love to get either one). But if Archer is made available I’d REALLY like to see if they can get something done. Hes been touched up a bit this year but the strikeout numbers are nice and he’s young enough to right the ship. Yes he will cost more then Moore but I think he’d be worth it. I still think the Cubs match up well with both the A’s and Rays and I hope they can get something worked out
the cubs trying to make a package for archer that they gave up to trade for matt garza.
Have to make an even bigger package for Archer!! I’m glad there are different people in charge now. Rays need to keep costs down so hooking up with Chicago here could give them some really nice cost controlled pieces. Fingers crossed
as a Rays fan, I concur…cubs match nicely with tb for a trade…my fingers are crossed too. as much as I’d hate to lose Moore (I still think some of his best years are in front of him and he should fare even better in the senior circuit), I understand that tb needs to pull the trigger on something due to it being such a sellers market.
As a new season ticket holder, I used to think Noris was going to develop into a really good catcher. Is just never seem to do that. He’s had some terrible games against the Giants, and obviously he has value because he’s starting catcher and majorly baseball, but I feel it is prime he was slightly overhyped. He could help a team with no catcher, but he’s really not The offense a monster as his first month or so of 2015 would suggest
the Yankees need to trade everyone starting with Gardner, ellsbury, Beltran, Heatley, McCann, Tanaka, pinada, evoldi, cc, Nova, Miller Chapman, Betances (tex for a bag of balls), release a rod, it’s time to tear down and start all over with all those guys I’m sure you can get some good returns
Chapman won’t take an extension. Don’t hope, don’t wish, it’s just not gonna happen.
Man, I was hoping for a Pomeranz/Norris package to the Rangers 🙁
The Yankees like their team? They don’t have one position player who is really exceptional. They need more youth, more athleticism. They need to take some risks, and peddle a veteran at deadline to a real contending team that has a sudden need. The three headed monster is going to be a two-headed monster after this year. Make some deals. The Yankees had a real advantage going forward in that they are really going to start to lose salary, but these two weeks are a time to be opportunistic.
Why is Joey gallo such a high prospect? Last year .204 batting average when he was up and the last few years in the minors he’s not that great. Profar also was exciting 4 years ago when the Brewers wanted him in a greinke deal that never happened, but to me he’s just a good but not great ss. Hope the Brewers find another trade partner for lucroy.
Gallo’s power is what is so exciting. Also remember when he came up last he was 20 years old. Give him time. I’m not really sure how you decided Profar isn’t worth much. He is hitting .315 right now after all.
I wonder if it’s just a matter of time until Ervin Santana ends up in Texas. He makes a lot of sense as a #3. Not to mention Terry Ryan isn’t exactly known for making good deal s
Only one Ace is truly available. That is Julio Teheran. Who will get him for the final two month run? Rangers or Astros? Whoever wins the Teheran sweepstakes…wins the division. Plus the Braves are willing to fill other needs with its best, including Freeman in my opinion.
Teheran is not an ace. Braves can keep him. The Rangers have no interest in him, thankfully.
Archer is throwing like garbage, and is on a team friendly deal….not exactly a great scenario for them to deal him. Racking up the Ks but man does he get lit up
In my opinion, the Yankees need to move their valued bullpen arms. Right now, the immediate future doesn’t look up to Yankee standards. There’s a lot of “ifs” in play with the Yanks right now; if Greg Bird can come back and produce, if Luis Severino can turn it around, if Rob Refsnyder can fulfill his potential.
This is a team that could use an injection of big-time prospects. That Kyle Schwarber deal seems pretty far-fetched but if they can land some of the other prospects being floated around, they’d be in great shape come 2017-2018.