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Quick Hits: Cubs, Trade Market, Orioles, Jays

By Connor Byrne | October 22, 2016 at 9:57pm CDT

Behind 7 1/3 innings of two-hit, shutout ball from right-hander Kyle Hendricks, the Cubs defeated the Dodgers, 5-0, on Saturday to take the NLCS in six games and advance to the World Series. To knock out the Dodgers and win their first pennant since 1945, the Cubs had to overcome baseball’s best pitcher, left-hander Clayton Kershaw, who yielded five runs (four earned) on seven hits in five frames. Among those hits were solo home runs from catcher Willson Contreras and first baseman Anthony Rizzo. Chicago will now take on Cleveland in a battle of the majors’ longest championship droughts. The Cubs haven’t won a World Series since 1908, while the Indians’ latest title came 40 years later in 1948. The long-suffering franchises will meet Tuesday in Cleveland for Game 1.

More on the NL champs and the rest of the majors:

  • Brilliant trades by the Cubs’ Theo Epstein-led front office have been integral to the team’s success, as Tyler Kepner of the New York Times details. Since Epstein took the reins in 2011, the Cubs have swung deals to land the likes of Hendricks, Rizzo, Jake Arrieta, Addison Russell and Dexter Fowler without surrendering any crucial pieces. The Cubs picked up Rizzo from San Diego, where two Chicago executives – general manager Jed Hoyer and senior vice president of scouting and player development Jason McLeod – were before Epstein hired them. Their familiarity with Rizzo helped spur the 2012 trade that sent him to the Cubs for righty Andrew Cashner. “Having intimate knowledge of who he is as a person, on top of what we felt he was going to be as a player, played a huge role,” McLeod told Kepner. Epstein offered some insight to Kepner on the trade process, saying, “It’s best not to think about winning or losing trades anyway, because the best ones work out for both teams. But, as a rule, if you’re the team that’s selling — if you’re out of it and you’re trading with a team that’s in it — you usually have the pick of just about their whole farm system, with a few exclusions. You should hit on the guys that you get back.”
  • In his latest column, Joel Sherman of the New York Post outlines why league executives expect an active trade market during the offseason. One reason is a lack of quality free agent starting pitchers, leading Sherman to wonder if any of Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Jeff Samardzija or Ian Kennedy could end up on the block. Sherman opines that the Astros are in dire need of an ace and have a big-time trade chip in young infielder Alex Bregman, who would perhaps be able to land a front-end starter in return. On the position player front, Sherman observes that new Diamondbacks GM Mike Hazen might consider trading first baseman Paul Goldschmidt. Meanwhile, recently minted Twins executive vice president and chief baseball officer Derek Falvey has a potentially interesting trade candidate on his hands in slugging second baseman Brian Dozier.
  • If Orioles GM Dan Duquette decides to shop any veterans, right-handed reliever Brad Brach might carry the most appeal, writes Rich Dubroff of CSNMidAtlantic. Dubroff contends that the Orioles should deal Brach if they’re able to acquire help in the leadoff spot or behind the plate. That could be a tall ask in either case, though the soon-to-be 31-year-old Brach is under team control at affordable rates over the next two seasons and has been particularly effective since 2015. Over the past two seasons, Brach has combined for a 2.58 ERA, 10.29 K/9 and 3.58 BB/9 in 158 1/3 innings. Brach underwent knee surgery earlier this month, but it was a minor procedure that shouldn’t affect his 2017 availability.
  • In separate pieces for FanGraphs, Dave Cameron and Jeff Sullivan argue for and against a rebuild for the Blue Jays. Re-signing just one of Edwin Encarnacion or Jose Bautista – both of whom are set for free agency – would push the Jays up against their budget, limit their ability to address other needs, and further age a roster that already includes several 30-somethings, writes Cameron, who suggests shopping shortstop Troy Tulowitzki, catcher Russell Martin and right-hander Marco Estrada. Moreover, in Cameron’s view, not committing to a short-term rebuild could hinder the team’s ability to keep third baseman Josh Donaldson for the long haul (the reigning AL MVP is under club control for two more seasons). Conversely, Sullivan still expects Toronto to contend even if Encarnacion, Bautista, Michael Saunders and Brett Cecil leave as free agents, citing the rest of the club’s talent.
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  1. MB923

    9 years ago

    Congrats Cubs fans

    Amazing how this year’s World Series will be between the 2 teams with the longest World Series drought.

    Reply
    • yankeesfan681202

      9 years ago

      I’ve been saying this since the trade deadline, I predicted an Indians Cubs World Series, and here it is. Coincidentally both teams traded for a lights out Yankee reliever, interesting

      Reply
      • largeunit

        9 years ago

        No you haven’t, no you didn’t. Stop the nonsense.

        Reply
        • cleonjones

          9 years ago

          Haha. Those darn Yankee fans know all!!!!

          Reply
        • Jason G

          9 years ago

          I think a Yankees fan is likely to have done so, given that the Yankees’ magical greatness was transmitted to them through the acquisitions of Chapman and Miller.

          Reply
    • BlueSkyLA

      9 years ago

      Depends on what you mean by World Series drought. The longest failure to appear teams:

      Mariners (never)
      Pirates (1979)
      Brewers (1982)
      Orioles (1983)
      Dodgers (1988)
      Reds (1990)
      A’s (1990)
      Twins (1991)

      Reply
      • MB923

        9 years ago

        By drought I meant Championship. Not appearance.

        Reply
        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          And I said… oh, never mind.

          Reply
      • capnfatback

        9 years ago

        Technically, you should put the Expos/Nationals at the top of your list.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          You’re right, I forgot them. They are tied with the Mariners for “never.”

          Incidentally this is the third appearance in the World Series for Cleveland since 1995.

          Reply
        • EndinStealth

          9 years ago

          Strike seasons hurt the Expos. They should have an appearance but alas got screwed. At least they would have been in line for an appearance.

          Reply
      • John Murray

        9 years ago

        One more interesting “drought” tidbit – the Houston Astros are the oldest franchise in baseball to have never won a World Series game.

        Reply
        • afenton530

          9 years ago

          How are they the 2005 champions then?

          Reply
        • MB923

          9 years ago

          Umm. They were swept by the White Sox.

          Reply
    • Foreveryankees

      9 years ago

      Neither one of them would be there if it wasn’t for the Yankees.

      Reply
  2. bernbabybern

    9 years ago

    Congratulations to the Cubs and their fans.

    Reply
  3. slider32

    9 years ago

    Go Cubs Go, This team will be strong for along time, Theo built this team the right way.

    Reply
    • MB923

      9 years ago

      Well of course they are built “the right way”. They have been successful so far.

      Reply
      • slider32

        9 years ago

        By that I meant t that the Cubs built this team around young position players first and then made trades and added free agents to supplement the team. Pitching as much as its the key to winning can be the most unpredictable. So that has to be added last and is always in flux. Look at the Giants, they won three series in 6 years with three different aces. The Mets had great pitching but lacked position players. This is the same model the Yanks used in the 90’s and are trying to repeat now. They have the position players coming up, and Cashman will continue to trade. Once the young players are successful in the majors, he will tweak the team with more pitching and veteran players like Ross.

        Reply
        • MB923

          9 years ago

          Fair points. As a side note the Giants also won with 3 different closers

          Same for the Red Sox actually (though it’s 3 in 10 years for them)

          Schilling/Foulke
          Beckett/Papelbon
          Lester/Koji

          Reply
    • largeunit

      9 years ago

      *a long

      Reply
  4. chop

    9 years ago

    Any ideas on what the Braves would have to give up to get Russell Martin?

    Reply
    • statmaster96

      9 years ago

      More than McCann

      Reply
    • Doc Halladay

      9 years ago

      I can’t see the Jays wanting or even considering a Martin trade for a few reasons. First, he’s been an integral reason as to why the rotation has been as strong as it has. Secondly, his remaining contract(3 years/$60 million) is rather unappealing, which means his trade value is much, much, much less than his value if he stayed.

      I wouldn’t be opposed to a move but with the likelihood the Jays having to eat significant salary just to get back just a decent return makes it less appealing.

      Reply
    • osonvs

      9 years ago

      Highly unlikely the Jays trade Martin unless they go into a full rebuild mode. A lot of the rotational success has been linked to Martin and Toronto fans know just how hard it is to find a reliable everyday catcher. More than likely Shapiro and co. will retool on the fly rather than rebuild as they look to continue their success attendance wise.

      Reply
  5. Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

    9 years ago

    Do the Astros really need an ace? Or do they need to actually deepen their rotation?

    Reply
    • pd14athletics

      9 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. I certainly wouldn’t write Keuchel off yet and I can really see a healthy McCullers emerging as a frontline stud. Those two could end up being a couple of the best pitchers in baseball next year. Depth though? Ya, they could use that.

      Reply
    • tros26

      9 years ago

      They need Both. Their ACE has been Dallas Kuechel? Really?! Their bullpen is good, but starting pitching is a problem. With Kuechel coming off a shoulder problem and Lance McCullers coming off his shoulder injury, they really need depth at starting pitching. And, oh yea; a First Baseman that can HIT, wouldn’t hurt either. I really think George Springer COULD get traded during this offseason.

      Reply
      • slider32

        9 years ago

        The Mariners and Rangers will be making every effort to improve so the Astros will have to do the same. They need another good starter like Sale or Greinke, I would go after them with some of their young pitching starting with Paulino and Whitley.

        Reply
  6. BlueSkyLA

    9 years ago

    Waiting for Friedman to tell Dodgers fans how we still don’t understand the plan.

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      It was a great series to watch but Kershaw can’t win the big game when it matters most

      Reply
      • BlueSkyLA

        9 years ago

        You can’t win a game when no runs are scored. The oldest rule in baseball.

        Reply
      • MB923

        9 years ago

        Before tonight , I believe the Dodgers won the last 5 games he appeared in in the postseason

        Game 4 NLDS in 2015. 3x in LDS against Nats. And Game 2 in NLCS. Kershaw with 3 victories, a Save, and a No Decision.

        Reply
        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          … and yet, nobody can win with zero runs scored.

          Reply
        • pd14athletics

          9 years ago

          Ya but what if 0 runs are scored and you have a lineup of lefties and no clear DH?

          Reply
        • ateam043

          9 years ago

          Umm…Dodgers play in the NL. There is no DH.

          Reply
      • davidcoonce74

        9 years ago

        That’s dumb narrative. Kershaw was great this postseason. Tonight he was pitching without his curve – I don’t know if it was the cold or fatigue or something else – but he couldn’t get the curve over and abandoned it. He also got brutalized by the Tholes error in the first. That was huge because it pushed his pitch count up and led to two runs.

        And you can’t win a game when your team doesn’t score.

        Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          Even if Kershaw had a 1 or 2 run lead in the first inning, I believe Kershaw would of blew it anyway. The Cubs were on him the whole game

          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          9 years ago

          Well, yeah, probably. He didn’t have his curve. Kershaw has a good fastball but he can’t get by with just the fastball. I just hate that last night will reinforce this notion that he’s not a “big game” pitcher. He was tremendous throughout this postseason; his bullpen and a late hook betrayed him in the bad game against Washington, and the defense hurt him badly last night. It’s also quite hard to win when your team scores no runs.

          Reply
        • bigjonliljon

          9 years ago

          Actually he’s been pitching with out the curve. Didn’t use it on his last start against my NL championship winning Cubbies. Sure felt good to type that.

          Reply
        • connorreed

          9 years ago

          So Kershaw, although he has been great this postseason, and although LA has won in his last five PS appearances, and although he pitched seven innings of one-run ball in the 2015 NLDS G4, which would have advanced LA if they won, and although he started an NLDS elimination game this season, striking out 11, on three days rest, and then came in for a series-clinching save two nights later, and although he pitched seven scoreless innings on two days rest against Kyle Hendricks in game two, and although his team scored zero runs this game, and although the defense was shoddy behind him, lost this game,

          …and you translate that into “Kershaw can’t win the big game”?

          Little unfair, don’t you think?

          Reply
        • Ry.the.Stunner

          9 years ago

          Actually, Kershaw wasn’t that “great” this postseason.

          He threw a shutout against the Cubs, which was a great performance, and had a short save But outside of that, he gave up 3, 5, and 5 runs respectively. He just got lucky that his offense backed him in those first two games.

          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          9 years ago

          One of those five-run games though was on short rest, Roberts left him in too long and the bullpen gave up three of those runs..

          Reply
  7. Wainofan

    9 years ago

    I don’t get talks of trading trout, goldschmidt, sale etc. on one hand those type of players are worth an insane haul. But who would actually give up all that it would take to get one of those players? What kinda package would it realistically take for goldy?

    Reply
    • slider32

      9 years ago

      Goldschmidt and Sale would get every teams attention, and the D-Backs and the Sox seem to be in that mode You are talking one young starter off your big league team another position player and 2 top 100 prospects. Mets- deGrom, Conforto, Smith, and Rosario. Yanks- Severino, Bird, Torres, and Judge.

      Reply
      • Wainofan

        9 years ago

        Yeah of course they’d get everyone’s attention. And I agree with those possible packages you said and the value is right. But as a team and with the risk involved would either be better off?

        Reply
      • MatthewBaltimore23

        9 years ago

        The mets wouldn’t even think about that for sale or Goldschmidt

        Reply
        • bigjonliljon

          9 years ago

          Cause they don’t have the prospect currency. Cubs, Texas, braves, and maybe a handful of others due. Not many though

          Reply
        • connorreed

          9 years ago

          Maybe you missed the trades of Cole Hamels, Jonathan LuCroy, Carlos Beltran, and Yovani Gallardo, but the Rangers do not have much of a farm system anymore.

          Not weak, but certainly not strong or deep by any means.

          Reply
  8. bradthebluefish

    9 years ago

    “Conversely, Sullivan still expects Toronto to contend even if Encarnacion, Bautista, Michael Saunders and Brett Cecil leave as free agents, citing the rest of the club’s talent.”

    And this is exactly why the Blue Jays should give it one more go and then hit the reset button should it be necessary.

    Reply
  9. houseoflords44

    9 years ago

    First, the Blue Jays don’t have to be a budget team. They are only a budget team because Rogers chooses to spend more money on their hockey coverage than their baseball team. They have the financial means to be a big market team. They led baseball in attendance this year & then had 5 sold-out playoff games on top of that. They can re-sign say, Encarnacion, and still fill other needs. They shouldn’t trade off other assets & commit to a rebuild. They have finally won back the city of Toronto. Don’t blow that by trading everybody off. They have a good starting rotation set for next year. They need bullpen help & probably an outfielder. If they don’t re-sign Encarnacion, they’ll have to find some sort of replacement because Justin Smoak has proven that he isn’t an everyday player. They have a good nucleus. Don’t blow that up and lose the city of Toronto again

    Reply
    • 0-3

      9 years ago

      You sound like a Bobcat listener. I like

      Reply
    • FrozenRopes

      9 years ago

      Wealthiest owners in the league, but unfortunately, they don’t seem to be baseball fans. Just loosen em’ strings up a bit. Re-sign EE, go get Josh Reddick, pick up a few other pieces and take another run. JoeyBats gets QO and see what happens.

      Reply
    • bigjonliljon

      9 years ago

      Agreed

      Reply
      • slider32

        9 years ago

        It will be interesting, this division is very volitle, the young pitching is there, they need to replace the loss of EE and Joey Batts. Goldschmidt and Reddick would do that

        Reply
  10. trueblue442

    9 years ago

    Can’t really blame this on anyone. Chicago was the better team. I am excited to see what kind of moves we make.

    Reply
    • BlueSkyLA

      9 years ago

      The Dodgers couldn’t field a better team but nobody is to blame…?

      More of the same, coming right up.

      Reply
      • IACub

        9 years ago

        You seem like a lot of fun to be around…

        Reply
        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          A Cubs fan should understand the sound of fan frustration and futility as well as anyone. But you now have management who gets it, and has done something about it. Good on you, but we don’t. And I don’t hide the fact that the fans who don’t think anyone is to blame for poor roster construction make me tear my hair out.

          Reply
      • davidcoonce74

        9 years ago

        Dodgers were pretty amazing this year considering the injuries. They did win their division handily. Roberts managed well despite his one huge glaring error in game 5.

        Cubs were clearly just the better team. The only positions the Dodgers had better players at were SS and catcher. Their outfield is a mess. The bullpen, which was a strength in the red house season, wasn’t good at all in this series. (To be fair, if they hadn’t nixed the Chapman deal this spring the story might be different).

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          The bullpen relied heavily on two arms all season. Everybody else was mediocre to worse. That’s why Roberts played the postseason the way he did. He had no other good options than to go back to those already dry wells. I give a lot of credit to Roberts for making the best of a weak hand. Still think he’s manager of the year. But everybody in the FO should be looking for new jobs, if for no other reason then they dealt him that weak hand.

          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          9 years ago

          By FIP the Dodgers bullpen was third in the majors in 2016. I understand Liberatore got hurt but It seems like other relievers were pretty good too. Playoffs are a crapshoot, of course, but Roberts seemed to get too scared to trust anyone besides Jansen.

          Reply
  11. AngelFan69

    9 years ago

    My take is that if Roberts would have made better moves during Game 1, 4, and 5… the Dodgers should have pulled it off …

    Reply
    • tros26

      9 years ago

      It would not have mattered. Cubs are the better Team.

      Reply
  12. Baseballholic

    9 years ago

    I read the article on the Jays. Interesting. I agree c many of its aspects:

    Martin though will be an integral part of the Jays next season, as he was the backbone of the pitching staff this past season, and needs to be retained, esp if Grilli, Benoit, and Liriano are c the team next season.

    The Jays do need a big time late innings pitcher ( who has the confidence of the powers that be ) to ease Osuna’s overuse, even misuse.

    I like the idea of trading Estarda for a major league ready prospect, maybe for the type of guy Sherman of the Post mentioned c the Astros? Bregman could then facilitate a Tulo trade for another major league ready prospect?

    There are other things, but that is it for now. Looking forward to the WS this year: hope it will be available up here in Jaysada.

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    • tros26

      9 years ago

      Really? Tulo for Bregman? Ain’t Gonna Happen, only in Fantasyland. LOL!!!

      Reply
      • Jizz Chasholm

        9 years ago

        He said Estrada for bregman, which likely still wouldn’t happen

        Reply
    • connorreed

      9 years ago

      Marco Estrada for Alex Bregman might be the worst trade proposal I have ever seen on any forum in my entire life.

      How a mid-rotation starter with one year left at $15 million is worth a 22 year old shortstop with MVP potential talent who was consistently dominant in his first season once he found his stride and has six years of cheap team control left?

      Do you actually think Estrada is some kind of Cy Young caliber ace? Or do you have no clue who Alex Bregman is? Or what?

      I am very curious to see who you would have proposed for a 32 year old shortstop who’s never healthy, hit .254/318/.443 this year, and has 4 years left at $78 million. Maybe Corey Seager? Kris Bryant? Noah Syndergaard? Xander Bogaerts?

      Reply
  13. gomerhodge71

    9 years ago

    As an impartial observer, I guess I’ll root for the Cubs since a) they’ve gone a lot longer without a championship and b) Cleveland has an NBA title now so they haven’t gone completely without.

    Reply
  14. dlevin11

    9 years ago

    I guess the Cubs do deserve the World Series title more than the Indians but both teams should thank the Red Sox for letting go of Epstein and Francona.

    Reply
    • Ry.the.Stunner

      9 years ago

      Theo chose to leave on his own, the Red Sox didn’t “let him go”. I’m not thanking a team because their executive wanted to leave them.

      Reply
  15. bmore12

    9 years ago

    What could the Orioles get for Brach? Britton?

    Reply
  16. tros26

    9 years ago

    The Astros WILL NEVER trade Bregman for a front end starter. Now George Springer, that is a possibility because Crane, the Owner probably won’t pay what Springer is going to demand. Maybe Springer, Kyle Tucker, and throw in Preston Tucker for a Chris Sale.

    Reply
  17. stormie

    9 years ago

    The Jays are not going to rebuild just so they can keep Donaldson, makes no sense. What holes do the Jays even have to fill that re-signing Edwin would seriously hamper? Other than some bullpen help, and maybe another OF if both Bautista and Saunders left, the Jays are already locked down for next year. A rebuild just doesn’t make sense with where they’re at, they have a team that can still contend for at least 2 more years, then maybe you look at moving Tulo, Martin, and others depending on where they’re at in/after 2018.

    Reply
  18. bobbyvwannabe

    9 years ago

    Die hard New York Metropolitan fan here.

    Have to tip my hat to the Cubbies.

    Prediction: Cleveland in 7

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    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      no way, the cubs depth will be too much for the indians to handle. Cubs in 5

      Reply
      • MB923

        9 years ago

        A lot of people said that when they faced the Red Sox. Cubs gotta face a very strong bullpen now

        I say Cleveland in 6, though I’m rooting for the Cubs.

        Reply
  19. halos101

    9 years ago

    I still think jays bring back edwin and let jose walk

    Reply
  20. bengtmobile

    9 years ago

    First time I’ve heard Samardzija rumored. He’s been working himself up this year, ending strong. I wonder what the giants could get for the Shark, though I was looking much forward to seeing Madbum, Cueto, Samardizija, Moore and Blach taking turns on the mount next year.

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