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Phillies Extend Odubel Herrera

By Jeff Todd | December 17, 2016 at 8:09am CDT

SATURDAY: Heyman tweets that Herrera will receive a $1.75MM signing bonus, $1.25MM in 2017, $3MM in 2018, $5MM in 2019, $7MM in 2020, and $10MM in 2021.

FRIDAY: The options come with $2.5MM and $1MM buyouts, respectively, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets.

THURSDAY: The Phillies have announced a five-year extension for center fielder Odubel Herrera, which comes with a $30.5MM guarantee, per Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer (via Twitter). The deal includes club options for the 2022 and 2023 seasons, which are valued at $11.5MM and $12.5MM, respectively, per MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki (on Twitter). Herrera is represented by Victor Tranquillo.

With the move, the Phils will add control over three projected free-agent seasons over their present and future center fielder. Herrera entered the year with two full years of MLB service, meaning he would have expected to qualify for arbitration next winter and hit the open market in advance of the 2021 season.

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Instead, Herrera — who’ll soon turn 25 — will be under contract through at least his age-29 season. As Gelb notes on Twitter, it appears to be the first significant contract extension the team has struck with a player of such little experience.

Taken as a Rule 5 pick from the Rangers under the former regime, led by much-maligned GM Ruben Amaro Jr., Herrera immediately blossomed into a quality regular. In his first season in the majors, Herrera slashed .297/.344/.418 and contributed eight home runs and 16 steals (though he was also gunned down on eight other attempts). With high-quality, up-the-middle glovework and strong overall baserunning contributions factored in, Herrera was a four-WAR player right out of the gates.

Though his overall offensive output remained at about 10% better than league average in 2016, it’s certainly arguable that Herrera took a big step forward at the plate. He not only trimmed his strikeouts to a 20.4% rate that falls just below league average, but nearly doubled his walk rate to a strong 9.6%. Herrera also jumped to 15 home runs, though he’s still below-average in overall power (.134 ISO), and stole 25 bags (against seven times caught stealing). While both UZR and DRS were somewhat less enamored of his glovework in the sophomore campaign, he still rated comfortably above average in the field and also on the bases.

Even if Herrera’s batting average on balls in play comes back down to earth a bit — he carried a .387 mark in his first year and .349 in his second — he seems a solid bet to deliver at least average offensive work for the foreseeable future. And there’s perhaps room to grow still in the power department after showing some strides, which was especially promising given that it occurred along with the step forward in his plate discipline.

Though Herrera was less productive in the second half — his power and K/BB numbers dipped — the total package is quite appealing. That made this a rather easy deal to make for the Phillies, an organization with massive untapped spending capacity in the future. Even in a true downside scenario, there’s little chance that Herrera’s contract (which is worth only $6.1MM on an average basis annually) will significantly harm the team’s ability to add major league talent.

While a team in the Phillies’ situation doesn’t need to strike early to lock up talent, as the organization can afford to do so later, that doesn’t mean that such a move can’t yield huge dividends. Indeed, as the pre-2015 Adam Eaton extension shows — particularly in light of his recent trade to the Nationals — it’s possible to add quite a bit of value to player control rights by buying out arb years and picking up some options. The Herrera pact is structured identically (five guaranteed years plus two options), though his guarantee handily beats the $23.5MM that Eaton received. Of course, it also fell well shy of the $50MM+ promised to 2+ players such as Matt Carpenter and Andrew McCutchen.

That’s certainly not to say that the deal isn’t a fair one from Herrera’s perspective. He was not a major bonus recipient as an amateur free agent out of Venezuela — various internet reports suggest he was inked for a modest $160K — and had only earned at (and then just over) the MLB minimum in each of the last two seasons. While his current trajectory suggests there would’ve been big earnings to come, none of that was guaranteed, and Herrera’s skillset would not have been particularly lucrative in the arbitration process.

It remains to be seen whether Philadelphia will move to negotiate with any of its other younger assets, though none are quite as established as Herrera. Third baseman Maikel Franco is the other most likely candidate, perhaps, though he may have already secured his downside protection by striking a deal with Fantex. Pitchers such as Aaron Nola, Jerad Eickhoff, and Vince Velasquez could conceivably draw consideration as well, though there’s no rush in any of their cases and the club may allow things to play out before reaching any decisions. Looking further down the line, top talent J.P. Crawford and others could eventually be candidates for long-term deals — even, perhaps, before or just after they reach the majors — though we’ve heard nothing to suggest that any such aggressive moves are in the works.

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  1. pukelit

    8 years ago

    Damn there we go! Something productive!

    Reply
  2. BillGiles

    8 years ago

    good move for the Phils, hopefully

    Reply
  3. koldjerky

    8 years ago

    Nice 5 for 40?

    Reply
  4. the dodgers suck

    8 years ago

    100$ million dollar deal

    Reply
    • mcdusty31

      8 years ago

      Your name makes me wonder what you suck

      Reply
    • mcdusty31

      8 years ago

      If you’re a Giants fan then that answers my question

      Reply
  5. Brixton

    8 years ago

    I’m gonna guess something like 5/30M with options in the 13-15M range

    Reply
    • Travis’ Wood

      8 years ago

      Nice guess man!

      Reply
    • lobretto1

      8 years ago

      Not a bad guess at all lol I was actually thinking about that too

      Reply
    • lobretto1

      8 years ago

      I mean usually all are close to the same when it’s pre-arb.

      Reply
    • koldjerky

      8 years ago

      Great call

      Reply
  6. philly billy

    8 years ago

    Nice

    Reply
    • philly billy

      8 years ago

      Yeah nice

      Reply
  7. tbj777

    8 years ago

    This sounds like a great decision. Dude has done nothing but produce since being picked up in the rule 5. 4 war in each of his first 2 seasons with possibility for improvement at only 24.

    Reply
  8. Phillies2017

    8 years ago

    Wow! This is amazing– and with the market inflating over time this deal is going to be so team freindly

    Reply
    • aff10

      8 years ago

      Agreed. If the improved plate discipline is for real, this should be a great one for the Phillies. Can’t blame Herrera for prioritizing up-front financial security, but I think this one’s really team-friendly.

      Reply
  9. Brixton

    8 years ago

    So they got a 3-4 WAR outfielder for 7/54.5M lol

    Reply
    • Travis’ Wood

      8 years ago

      Yes, but you have to remember that he was scheduled to make almost no money the next few years. Only 3 of those 7 are free agent years

      Reply
      • Brixton

        8 years ago

        and hes a very similar player to Dexter Fowler, who makes 16Mish per season, so those 3 years, including inflation, could cost in the neighborhood of all 7 of those seasons. So unless he randomly flops, its hard not to like this

        Reply
        • Travis’ Wood

          8 years ago

          Yes I completely agree. Just wanted to point that out. But yes I also love the deal

          Reply
      • philharmonica

        8 years ago

        *only* three?! That’s a lot.

        Reply
    • aff10

      8 years ago

      I think this once again reaffirms the need for an updated arbitration system. Herrera’s obviously a star-level player, but his relatively low HR and RBI totals would have kept his earning power down in arbitration. Great move for the Phillies though

      Reply
      • Travis’ Wood

        8 years ago

        This^

        Reply
      • theo2016

        8 years ago

        he is not a star level player. an above average very good player sure, but certaintly not a star.

        Reply
        • aff10

          8 years ago

          Fair enough. I tend to differentiate between star and superstar, so maybe the word choice was bad. Regardless though, he’s quite good, but he would’ve been viewed as less valuable than Chris Carter or Jeanmar Gomez I think

          Reply
        • PBABowler27

          8 years ago

          Theo, WARs of 3.8 and 4.2 the last two years. Herrera is a star.

          Reply
        • Brixton

          8 years ago

          Not really, He isnt really that good at anything, hes a nice piece. Hes like Fowler, a nice piece.

          Reply
        • PBABowler27

          8 years ago

          That’s exactly the point. He isn’t a superstar or exceed at one skill. But he’s very good all parts of baseball. Hitting, getting on base, baserunning, defense, all of it. And being able to do everything well is much more valuable nowadays.

          A team full of players at average major league levels or above will be a powerhouse team.

          Reply
        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          Do you mean valuable to the team or the player? It’s always been valuable to the team, just less recognized. But you are correct that it is beginning to be rewarded more so in free agency dollars.

          Reply
        • theo2016

          8 years ago

          5+ war is considered a star,(all star for that matter)

          Reply
        • southi

          8 years ago

          So theo2016 you don’t consider players like Carlos Corrrea, JBJ, Goldschmidt or Miguel Cabrera stars (all of those were just short of 5.0 WAR)? And I know you were probably just throwing a number out there, but 5+ WAR eliminates a lot of great players from being a star by your standards. I am not saying you are wrong, just that if that is all you are looking at then you are eliminating a ton of great players.

          We also all realize that all-star in a baseball sense means actually spent time on an all-star team. That isn’t achieved by any set WAR total and to be honest being on an all-star team (and thus an all-star) doesn’t necessarily mean that the player had a great year (or is even capable of having a great season). There have been too many token all-star players who just aren’t deserving.

          Maybe your choice of wording was just bad.

          Reply
        • theo2016

          8 years ago

          5+ is the standard used by both bref and fangraphs used to describe all star level. it does not imply that merit has meaning, it’s a standard number saying that puts you in the top 35 or 40 players in the game( 50 players on all star rosters- relievers and players selected just because their team needed a rep.) Obviously rounding is fine as even the numbers people post on here are rounded(war doesn’t stop at tenths) war is a great tool best used as a general guideline, 1.5-2.5 is an average player, 2.5-4.5 is an above average player, 4.5-7 is an all star, 7+ is an mvp. in regards to cabrera and goldschmidt in particular they have been over 5 war before. although I would be doubtful of cabrera being a star any longer. just getting old.

          Reply
  10. theo2016

    8 years ago

    buying out 3 free agent years? nice.

    Reply
  11. phillies012tg

    8 years ago

    I like this but won’t this block players? I hope this doesn’t mean they are gonna trade anyone. I like Williams, Cozens, randolph and even Tocci. Would hate to see any of them go in trades.

    Reply
    • Travis’ Wood

      8 years ago

      Chances are only 1-2 of those guys will work out so you need guys like Herrera around

      Reply
    • Brixton

      8 years ago

      I mean, Herrera was likely in CF long term anyways

      Reply
    • koldjerky

      8 years ago

      How is signing a 24 year old throughout his learning and prime years blocking anyone?

      He’s 2ish years older than Williams and Cozens and they both play corner outfield. Tocci is an all glove fringe 4th OFer at the moment.

      Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      And remeber cozens and Williams are corner outfielders

      Reply
    • aff10

      8 years ago

      I like Williams quite a bit, but it’s most likely that Herrera’s better than any of those guys moving forward. If they all work out (which they probably won’t), then Klentak can figure that out 2 or 3 years from now. Actually, Herrera himself could end up as a highly-valuable trade piece too if need be now that they’ve added some team control

      Reply
      • hollywoodhills

        8 years ago

        ” Herrera himself could end up as a highly-valuable trade piece too”

        YES, but Odubel has to teach Mickey Moniak that bat flip before he moves on.

        Reply
    • Dark_Knight

      8 years ago

      I would be genuinely shocked if any of those players develops into the type of player Herrera’s been at the MLB level

      Reply
      • mcdusty31

        8 years ago

        Herrera doesn’t block him position wise but I’m hoping that Cozens ends up being a force to be reckoned with…it’s hard to say with the all or nothing power types but I picked up Cozens in a fantasy keeper league and would love if his pop translated to the bigs

        Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      He won’t be blocking anyone because he is young! He is proven! Odubel is a bargain at this price. All of our minor leaguers are going to be corner outfielders anyway except tocci. Tocci is also at least 2 years away anyways

      Reply
  12. Dark_Knight

    8 years ago

    Terrific move. He’s the face of the franchise now.

    Excellent job of scouting by the Amaro FO to bring this guy in.

    Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      Agreed great deal and yes amaro made a good move!

      Reply
    • corrick

      8 years ago

      Not from my memory amd not from Amarro or the front office.either.
      From what I recall a Phillies Latin emplyee was coaching in VZ winter
      ball with Herrera om his team. He peactically screamed to the FO they
      take him in the rule 5 draft. Whoever that guy was deserves the credit, not the shirts.

      Reply
  13. Catch tha Taste

    8 years ago

    Extremely underrated, good move for the Phills. Especially considering what Eaton was just traded for.

    Reply
  14. jacobsigel1025

    8 years ago

    So Odubel getting paid 6 million a year? Why did he accept? He could possibly get nearly triple on the open market.

    Reply
    • aff10

      8 years ago

      The problem was that he’s nowhere near the open market, and he was going to make league minimum next year. It’s probably a bad move on his part in terms of career financial earnings, but he did lock in a life-changing sum of money today, and he or his family may have needed up-front cash, even at the cost of long-term upside.

      Reply
      • Modified_6

        8 years ago

        You can guarantee yourself more money than you can ever spend (unless you absolutely lose your mind), literally setting not only yourself but your family for life… Or you could wait around for 4 years hoping you don’t get hurt during that time resulting in possibly making half a mil the rest of your career in hopes of getting yourself more money than you can ever spend (unless you absolutely lose your mind), literally setting not only yourself but your family for life…

        Reply
        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          If I would have made mlb, regardless of what potential anyone thought I had, I’d be signing a long term “team friendly” contract before it landed on the desk in front of me.

          Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      Odubel is probably in a situation where he wants to help his family and himself now by getting millions for the moment. If he didn’t sign this, he would get 500k.

      Reply
  15. phils phanatic

    8 years ago

    good move!I do wonder if a move to a corner would help him improve his defense though,ala eaton.considering what I call an average arm id say LF suits him better,although it wouldnt surprise me if they kept him in center just because of need.he’s also been a 4-5 win player in center so maybe he just stays there

    Reply
  16. chesteraarthur

    8 years ago

    Good move for the Phillies. It doesn’t surprise me to see a guy who dropped to rule 5 level get himself some security though.

    Reply
  17. raef715

    8 years ago

    can’t argue this deal. and of course they can still trade him a year or two down the road if they want and can get good value.
    just needs to mature a bit more and get a little more consistent- will see how he reacts to having some money.

    Reply
  18. cardfan2011

    8 years ago

    Nice! He’s a fantastic ballplayer with great talent

    Reply
  19. LaffitesLanding

    8 years ago

    The Phillies feel like the team that is coming closest to the Theo- Cubs style rebuild. When the Cubs were still bad, they wrapped up both Anthony Rizzo and Starlin Castro to long term contracts. Now, at least the Rizzo contract is a very pro team contract for the Cubs. If Herrera can provide that kind of production for a decent below market contract, that is a big step towards moving the Phillies back to contention.

    Good move.

    Reply
  20. retire21

    8 years ago

    Is Odubel Herrera related to Asdrubel Cabrera?

    Reply
  21. AUTiger7222

    8 years ago

    As a Braves fan I hate to see the Phillies make a smart move like this. Herrera is a good player and they got a good team friendly deal here.

    Reply
    • danlcat

      8 years ago

      This can’t be Tom I donnell..mfrom monkey hall. If it is ,it’s Danny. Dude..ive miss3d talking to.y for 30 years

      Reply
  22. nailz#4life

    8 years ago

    They need to sign Crawford long term now. He’s gonna be a stud

    Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      He hasn’t proved he can hit in the majors so not yet lol. He hasn’t even hit the majors. He can’t hit lol. I’m happy Crawford is young and has time to develop still. If he can come up and hit anything like Lindor or gregorious he will be damn good. First, he has to hit in the minors before he can be considered for this.

      Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      Crawford hasn’t made the majors yet for a reason. If he was that good we would have saw him in September

      Reply
      • chesteraarthur

        8 years ago

        if you could get him similar to the singleton contract, would you take it? I honestly think I would have to. He may not ever be great, but he has so many at least “average” tools, that I think he can be an above replacement level player as a floor

        Reply
        • prich

          8 years ago

          I wouldn’t sign Crawford for anything. They still have him under control for 6 years lol. What if he tears his ACL and his career is over? Then he is already guaranteed money. As of now he is a AAA starter with a lot of raw physical talent. I’d like to see this kid be consistent and make a difference when he is on the field. I have seen Crawford play a lot. He looked good in 2015 in Reading, but in AAA last year, he looked lost.

          Reply
      • jorleeduf

        8 years ago

        The reason he hasn’t made the majors is because they needed spot on their 40 man roster to protect prospects from the rule 5 draft. He is and amazing hitter. One of the best in the minors.

        Reply
  23. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    Good deal, but it reaffirms my previous belief that Starling Marte has the most team friendly contract in baseball. A star (superstar for those in the know) player signed through his prime for about one year of Pujols.

    Reply
  24. jlv3gem

    8 years ago

    Genius move by MacPhail and a good deal for Odubel as well. Who doesn’t want to know they’ll make $30M over the next 5 years? I sure would. MacPhail though.. Love the guy. As an Orioles fan, I firmly believe he is the reason why Baltimore has been the winningest (Regular Season) team in the American League since August of 2011. Never understood why they didn’t do more to keep him around. He assembled most of the roster they have their today. Duquette has done a few things to help out but has also given out some asinine contracts to players who’ve done nothing but shown flashes or are has-beens. I’m jealous of Philadelphia right now, you’ve got a good one in Andy

    Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      I’m happy someone else thinks macphail is a genius. The guy should be in the HOF. ( I don’t think he is) Andy is one of the best at what he does.

      Reply
      • JKurk22

        8 years ago

        He may be good (not saying he’s not), but he hasn’t been a gm long enough to even be halfway considered to be HOF worthy. Calm yourself.

        Reply
        • hollywoodhills

          8 years ago

          “prich” – translates to: Andy MacPhail’s dad. Andy has impressively long lived parents.

          Reply
        • prich

          8 years ago

          I’m confused? This is baseball HOF right? No the GM HOF. This guy has been in baseball since 1978 and was very good for the Cubs, Twins, and Orioles. He is worthy of a plaque in Cooperstown.

          Reply
        • prich

          8 years ago

          What’s that mean lol he is a baseball man and has been one of the best and most dedicated. Why should he not be in the HOF and remember that this Orioles team is his making.

          Reply
    • danlcat

      8 years ago

      This can’t be Tom I donnell..mfrom monkey hall. If it is ,it’s Danny. Dude..ive miss3d talking to.y for 30 years plus..u taught me what to say to Barkley plus….didvu marry Gretchen or Maryanne Dolan? d a n o 1 9 1 1 1 a t g m a i l.d o t c o m. Very few fantoms I’d love to talk to. TOD,Youd be one

      Reply
    • danlcat

      8 years ago

      Why didvu guys not keep wieners? Thought he Was steady. 8 follow valto as my 2nd team. Id liveto knowcwhynut seemsctgey have destroyed it
      when….soooooo close

      Reply
    • hollywoodhills

      8 years ago

      “jlv3gem” – This translates into: Andy MacPhail’s mom. Good to see the old girl still going strong.

      Reply
  25. tim815

    8 years ago

    Rule 5 guys are good pick-ups when pro scouting does their job well.

    Reply
  26. jorleeduf

    8 years ago

    GREAT MOVE! He is like Mike Trout… but not nearly as good… they aren’t similar beside the fact that they are both above average center fielders… NONETHELESS it was still a good move

    Reply
  27. Z-A 2

    8 years ago

    For the money, it’s a great move. Hopefully he vastly out plays that contract and makes the Phillies a more attractive destination to FAs. I’d like to see some more moves this year to take more chances on a few former top prospects that have caught shade.

    Byron Buxton comes to mind.

    I’d also give a spring invite to Dom Brown maybe this regime can un-f-up the former BA Top-5. There have been very few busts in BA’s Top-5 over the last 20 years. Most recently it’s just Dom Brown & Jesus Montero and partially Joba Chamberlain – Tommy Hanson due to injury (never know on Taveras RIP). It’s worth a shot.

    Reply
    • prich

      8 years ago

      Dom Brown is not allowed into Philly lol

      Reply
    • jleve618

      8 years ago

      Dom was given every chance. If you saw him in person you realize how little he actually tried in the outfield. Such a dissapointment.

      Reply
      • prich

        8 years ago

        When he hurt his wrist, he was done. It is really sad how that one injury changed the course of his career. He could have been a damn good outfielder, maybe.

        Reply
  28. twpguy

    8 years ago

    Maybe they can actually rely on him hustling on the base paths now and not have to keep benching him for his hot dog attitude.

    Talented kid but has mental issues with laziness and a mind numbingly slow approach getting in the batters box

    Reply
  29. The baseball kid

    8 years ago

    Good move by the Phils. Lots of upside and not too expensive.

    Reply
  30. Modified_6

    8 years ago

    As a Rangers fan, it hurts so bad.

    Great move imo.

    Reply

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