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Rosenthal On Dodgers’ Search For Second Baseman

By Jeff Todd | January 19, 2017 at 10:36pm CDT

The Dodgers have expanded their search for a second baseman, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Los Angeles remains engaged on longstanding targets Brian Dozier, Ian Kinsler, and Logan Forsythe, but appears to be looking elsewhere in the event that those players can’t be had at a palatable rate.

Among the players that could potentially be fits, per Rosenthal, are switch-hitters Jurickson Profar of the Rangers, Cesar Hernandez of the Phillies, and Wilmer Difo of the Nationals, though he notes that of that trio, Profar is the only one on whom the Dodgers have definitively inquired. All are young and controllable somewhat controllable — Profar through 2019, Hernandez through 2020 and Difo all the way through 2022. Only Hernandez, though, has put up a full and productive major league season.

Beyond those possibilities, Rosenthal says that there’s still some potential for a reunion with Chase Utley. Still, the club would rather find a hitter who swings from the right side. That would also appear to leave little room for interest in the other top remaining second-base-capable free agents.

Dave Cameron of Fangraphs recently suggested that the best fit on paper might be Javier Baez, with young pitching going to the Cubs in exchange. But that doesn’t seem particularly likely, as Cameron notes and Rosenthal also echoes.

All things considered, Rosenthal explains, Dozier might still be the likeliest target for the Dodgers. Though the club seemingly broke off its talks with the Twins recently, Rosenthal says that the door remains open to a deal. It’s imaginable that Los Angeles could line up with the Rays on Forsythe, but the biggest issue there seems to be that Tampa Bay doesn’t have a ready replacement.

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  1. Ully

    8 years ago

    I hope that MLB neck tattoo is a Cub for life!

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  2. Cynic81

    8 years ago

    We’ll give you Baez for Peterson and Kershaw if the Dodgers cover Kershaw’s contract.

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    • frankiegxiii

      8 years ago

      Or Arrubarrena for Baez and Cubs cover Baez until he is a free agent

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    • ThePriceWasRight

      8 years ago

      that’s dumb. give up baez for DeLeon and Holmes and you have a deal.

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      • frankiegxiii

        8 years ago

        Holmes who?

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      • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

        8 years ago

        You might have to contact the A’s for Holmes lol.

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        • mannyl101

          8 years ago

          Lol

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      • tommyLA

        8 years ago

        Holmes was traded to Oakland in the reddick deal.

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        • em650r

          8 years ago

          These Cubs jokers

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        • bsteady powers

          8 years ago

          Baez is the best defensive player in the game. It would take Urias to land him. And prob not even then. I would say he’s almost as untouchable (ALMOST) and Bryzzo

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Depends on who the Cubs have coming up through the system if they don’t have a quality second base talent coming up then he might be untouchable. If they do and the Dodgers offered Urias he would be a Dodger so fast it would make your head spin. The Dodgers would not trade Julio though he is going to be an absolute stud barring injury risk.

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        • kbarr888

          8 years ago

          Cubs actually have Ian Happ coming up. He’s a career 2B with pop, but has played some OF. Not sure he’s anywhere near the talent that Baez is, however.
          My guess is that Baez would require a larger return than Dozier (not saying it’s accurate, but he can play multiple positions at a high level). I’d think it would be a similar package, like DeLeon plus Alvarez, adding something like a lower B prospect…….Baez has 5 years of team control, and can play the entire IF…….and he’s the Cub’s “Emergency Catcher” as well.

          Just for fun:
          Senior Year of High School…….Baez was 64 for 83 (.771 average) with 20 doubles and 22 HR’s (that’s 42 of his 64 hits). He had 53 RBI’s in 30 games. And yes……He filled in at catcher.

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        • sanfranb27

          8 years ago

          Best defensive player in the game? Where is his gold glove? Oh right, Panik or Crawford must have accidentally got it instead. Plus I really don’t think that being the games best “tagger on attempted steals” as the tell-tale sign of “best defensive player in the game”. Just my two cents-Peterson, DeLeon or Bellinger should be enough.

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        • JKurk22

          8 years ago

          Andrelton Simmons is a better defender. Just to name one. Not saying Baez isn’t good, but not the best.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Pederson alone should more than enough to get Baez, but the Dodgers really can’t think of trading Pederson,

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        • Frank Richard

          8 years ago

          Baez plays multiple positions and could win a gold glove at any of them. He is the best defensive 2B in baseball and the second best SS and second best 3B no other player can make that claim.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Now you are getting carried away he is good defensively but c’mon that is silly statement to make and very subjective.

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        • therealbdavis

          8 years ago

          Says…?

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        • wellhitball

          8 years ago

          Better than Panik but not better than Crawford (yet). His defensive value is relatively close to Crawford’s. By nature, playing all over the infield makes it harder to settle in at one position so that makes sense. If Russell goes down and Baez can settle into short, he’ll eventually stop airmailing the throws to first (that’s his only real flaw as a defender).

          One thing that’s for sure is that Baez is definitely a stud at any infield spot, and the crazy tagging skills DEFINITELY count. Being the best at anything on the field that involves making outs counts.

          P.S.: Pederson for Baez makes no sense for CHI, unless La takes Heyward and most of his salary.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Even a one-for-one swap of Pederson for Baez makes no sense for the Dodgers. Adding Hayward and his contract to boot turns the entire concept into a total hilarity.

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        • Red Ivy

          8 years ago

          Giants fans are mad that the Cubs have two short stops that are better than Crawford. I’m not even trying to be mean that’s just the truth.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Defensively that would be a no.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Do you even know how good Brandon Crawford is apparently not.

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    • Whyamihere

      8 years ago

      Kershaw is a rental if traded, Better just take Seager.

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    • thor would look better in red

      8 years ago

      yeah and the pirates can trade David freese to the giants and get madbum…

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    • joemendoza23

      8 years ago

      Kershaw can’t win the big one so he has no place on the Cubs, I’m a Cub fan in LA so I have a lot of fun with Chokey Kershaw

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  3. tbraysforlife

    8 years ago

    If rays lose forsythe we are screwed

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    • Cam

      8 years ago

      As opposed to..close to screwed?

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    • ducksnort69

      8 years ago

      Rays were screwed once Maddon left and Souza was acquired for Turner/Ross. Cash alone cost them quite a few wins. He’s far worse than 2006 Maddon who was still experiencing some growing pains with a far far worse bullpen.

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    • Chasssooo

      8 years ago

      Rays are always screwed. They need to move out of Tampa Bay.

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      • ducksnort69

        8 years ago

        Not happening anytime soon; if at all, but this type of insight never gets old. Keep up the good work.

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        • patborders92

          8 years ago

          They need to get in Vegas before the A’s do!!!

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          Sounds like the A’s will have the Coliseum all to themselves with the Raiders moving to Vegas. Maybe they can tear Mt. Davis down finally. Not sold on Vegas as an mlb location…8 NFL games is one thing….NHL games in a smaller venue…but 81 home mlb games in the heat of summer…with games not being an event like a Sunday afternoon Raider game. Lets see what they draw on a Monday evening with the White Sox in town. Its a service economy that ranks 80th in household income…barely cracks top 50 in tv. Just another small market in worse position that either tampa .Oakland or Montreal

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          An enclosed stadium. Still, I doubt the viability of baseball in Las Vegas. The boom and bust economy is not a stable base to build on. Besides, what do you call the team…?

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          Las Vegas Aces

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          A’s would be smart to stay ahead of the game a bit and build right there in Oakland….it has a Brooklyn thing going on now. With SF proper pricing everyone out…Im not sure they arent in prime location as is.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          I was going to suggest the Cards but that one seems to be taken.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          I went to see what the nhl team was doing. Guess they will be the Golden Knights…thats kind of a tricky play on words..lol. I saw Aces was one of their potential names as well. I dont care whar they do…just no ridiculous minor league type hokey nickname with the generic action logo. A’s arent moving though..so they can wait. Im guessing Montreal would be a legit expansion contender.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Montreal is a logical expansion or relocation city, assuming they can build a real ballpark. The Expos played in what had to be the worst stadium in all of baseball, even including Oakland Coliseum. I doubt the A’s are going anywhere. Now they seem to be more in control of their fate they are probably going to be less interested in a move.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          MLB has a lot of blame in the failure in Montreal. Certainly a new ballpark is a must. Its a large market, especially in comparison with others….and it potentially helps tap into the European market. Have to come back as the Expos though…my only rule.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          I wonder, is there any precedent for a franchise moving from one city to another, changing the name, then another franchise taking the old name? Hmm. As close as I can come off the top of my head is the Los Angeles Angels of the PCL. The MLB California Angels are untreated to the PCL team but somehow they inherited the name.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          8 years ago

          I believe in the NBA the New Orleans Pelicans sold the Hornets name back to Charlotte. I dont follow the NBA, but I believe this happened.

          Minneota Twins sell the Senators name back to Washington when they moved? Of course..then that team went to Texas.

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  4. frankiegxiii

    8 years ago

    They’re gonna go with a 5 man infield, including the pitcher…

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    • stryk3istrukuout

      8 years ago

      yeah, who needs a second baseman anyway

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  5. Sundevil617

    8 years ago

    Hernandez and Forsythe seem like the most reasonable candidates for their search.

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  6. cvarneski

    8 years ago

    Getting Baez would be borderline impossible. Would be amazing but I don’t see it getting done. I don’t see why throwing in Brock Stewart in addition to Jose De Leon is a big deal for the Dodgers. Both had great minor league numbers but stunk it up in the Majors. I do believe De Leon will eventually live up to some of his potential but Stewart kinda blows IMO.

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    • cvarneski

      8 years ago

      *for Brian Dozier*

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    • treday

      8 years ago

      My best guess isn’t that they value Brock as untouchable, but rather value him as a necessary depth piece. We don’t have the sturdiest rotation, so we need to have two MLB ready AAA pitchers. Giving up both Stewart and De Leon doesn’t really leave us in a particularly desirable situation, hence the one or the other stance.

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      • frankiegxiii

        8 years ago

        But what about Stripling, Wood, Frias, DeJong(possibly), Oaks(possibly), McCarthty or Kazmir (whoever doesn’t make the team from spring training), aren’t they spot start options other than Stewart that we can use? Isn’t Oaks just about as MLB ready as Stewart?

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          @Frankie you’re going to need more than spot starts really unless you’re expecting Hill, Wood, Kaz, and McCarthy to be healthy. Add up those DL days last year. DeJong still has major red flags with HR issue and hasn’t thrown at AAA. Oaks is coming off of a season ending knee injury. Frias dealt with major forearm strains last year. Stip, Oaks, and Frias are all better suited for BP options. So in name they are probably deeper than any team but actual reliability not the same. No one actually knows how Kersh’s back is going to hold up. So could they potentially have a plethora of arms to throw in at the deadline sure, but I’m not sure anyone can tell me what the opening day rotation looks like. You’d hope you can pencil in Kersh,Hill, Maeda for 25 starts but…

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        • frankiegxiii

          8 years ago

          Ok, sorry I said spot starts, those pitchers I named can be added to the rotation if someone goes down. I still think you are overvaluing Stewart. If he goes down for the season, are the L.A. Dodgers screwed? I doubt it. I never said Oaks was gonna pitch opening day, odds are if we need him halfway through the season, he’ll be available. Sure some guys are better suited for the bullpen, but I doubt Stripling, Frias, and Oaks are banned from starting a game. If they’re needed, they’re going to be used.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          I’m not really overvaluing Stewart. Fact is he’s been pitching for two years so it’s not really known what he is. He probably stacks as a backend guy more realistically a live arm in the pen. My point being I think we are overvaluing the ability of the rotation to stay void of major injury even out of ST. Im not trusting or banking on that and neither is the FO most likely. It’s pretty simple why it’s either or. Now at the deadline I think it’s a different story.

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      • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

        8 years ago

        @Trey-Day yeah that’s essentially it. Maeda and the other 4 rookies were the main reason the Dodgers stayed afloat and in contention. The issue here is you can’t rely on Ryu or McCarthy and to a certain extent Kaz to give you innings. Wood should never be allowed to swing a bat again especially if it truly did result in his injury. It’s sad really because Ryu was underrated and fun to watch.

        The dilemma being there are serious injury issues for the vets and the younger shuttle arm haven’t been built up for many reasons. Urias age, Strip TJ pushed him back, Stewart newly converted to a SP, and DeLeon manipulation of innings for possible playoff need and his injuries last year. So other teams probably view their search for a 2b as them being boxed in a corner.

        It’d be nice if they could unload Kaz and McCarthy and try to sign Wood to a one year allowing him a chance to start and even phasing him to a swingman. They could have two swingman both Woods. True blue La would have a field day.

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      • cvarneski

        8 years ago

        Good point. Wonder if taking on all or most of Santana or Hughes’ contact could help to rework a deal. Really wanna see Dozier in Dodger blue next year.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          I don’t but that’s just me. They don’t need to dump Santana. They also aren’t going to take on a contract. They’ve stated the two year window until the money falls off I don’t see them taking on big contracts. Plus the Twins don’t need to add a contract to Dozier. Seems pretty clear the Dodgers were trying to buy cheap power and if they couldn’t they’d move on.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          And btw Stewart didn’t stick up the joint. He was faced with some back luck in MIL and then was treated to his first Col experience. Can’t really judge a RK on his first two starts especially when one is in Coors. Beyond that he threw extremely well. He had three QS in his next three starts while riding the OKC express. Not really putting him in elite category but like I said don’t judge a kid on his first two starts.

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        • thinkblech

          8 years ago

          AJ Ellis didn’t help him much either.

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        • cvarneski

          8 years ago

          You’re absolutely right. I think my opinion was more based on “stuff” than results.

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        • Kirby34

          8 years ago

          And here is an example of where this Dodger front office has not been as creative as we expected. Looking back three years, the early years of either Dee Gordon OR Jose Peraza would have been cheap, speedy options at 2B and they gave up both too easily.

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        • christo14

          8 years ago

          Gordon was a mirage built on PEDs. We saw what player he was post-suspension and it was not a very good one with a particularly unappetizing triple slash of .268/.305/.335. Peraza maybe I’ll agree with you. I’m still unsure on that one. I’m afraid injuries have tainted the return the Dodgers got on that one, but at the moment it doesn’t appear to be a good trade especially now that they are sitting there with a question mark at 2B.

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  7. pinkerton

    8 years ago

    i’d like to see Cesar go to the Dodgers but that’s just me.

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  8. madmanTX

    8 years ago

    Dodgers are gonna wanna pay low end price to get Profar and JD won’t do that deal. Dodger fans will say Profar hasn’t established his value and that’s why Rangers should keep him rather than sell low. Dodgers can shop elsewhere or come at Rangers with a deal they can’t refuse.

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      Which means they shop elsewhere and then wait until the deadline.

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    • YourDaddy

      8 years ago

      Sportsday said earlier this offseason that the Rangers were asking for Espinoza and Guerra for Profar. I don’t think the Dodgers are willing to give up Alvarez and another top guy like Lux or Calhoun to get him if they wouldn’t give up DeLeon and another prospect for Dozier

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      • thinkblech

        8 years ago

        Yeah, I wouldn’t do that if I were the Padres, and that asking price probably rules out the Dodgers, too.

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  9. treday

    8 years ago

    Is there any possibility at swinging a trade for Devon Travis? Talented young guy so I’m sure it would cost quite a bit, but Baez seems like he’d cost even more. A little surprised we’ve seen Baez’ name floated (even if only as an outlandish hypothetical) and not Travis.

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      Not really he has 4 years of control on a team that doesn’t have internal 2b options as of now that’s clearly competing for a playoff spot.

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    • turner9

      8 years ago

      Good to see our 2nd baseman get some love from another teams fans

      Sadly we don’t have anything close to a legit backup for Travis (barney is a great bench peice but not a starter. And Goins just sucks)

      We would then be in your position of selling the farm (not alot to be had there either) to get dozier lol

      We are very happy with Travis. We would likely want more then mini wants for dozier considering we will actually compete for a playoff spot

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      • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

        8 years ago

        I mean Travis is a pretty damn good hitter just hope he stay healthy.

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      • treday

        8 years ago

        Yeah that makes sense, I know he’s been injured for some long stretches the last two years, so I thought there may have been a viable in-house replacement. But if there’s not, then it wouldn’t make any sense

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    • erikt

      8 years ago

      I imagine if the Jays do move Travis, they’d probably want something along the line of Puig and Brock Stewart. But I doubt that the Dodgers would agree to that.

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  10. Nats4life

    8 years ago

    What ever happened to Ian Happ? He’s not really needed in Chicago anymore, with Zobrist and and Baez in the fold.

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    • thinkblech

      8 years ago

      Still a good prospect, but he spent the latter half of the year in AA, not quite an ML ready option, assuming the Cubs were even interested in moving him (which I doubt).

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      He is the Cubs #2 prospect. They built the team by expressly not dealing their hitting prospects. When Happ is ready then the Cubs might have a problem, but having too many good players usually has a way of working itself out. At some point the Cubs will probably have to deal a player for a pitcher but they don’t need to do it now. Eventually, as popular as he is, the Cubs are going to have to move Schwarber to an AL team for pitching, but they aren’t going to do that this season.

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      • lesterdnightfly

        8 years ago

        True. Happ is a top hitting prospect. And he can play the outfield too.
        No reason for the Cubs to trade him, barring a series of emergencies.

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    • CubsFanForLife

      8 years ago

      Happ is still moving through the ranks, and IIRC, he’s in the low 20s on MLB.com’s rankings. Doubt he would be dealt, though, as he and Jimenez constitute the rest of Chicago’s farm system. It sounds as if he’s still at least another full year, or maybe 1.5 years away, which puts him in the natural fold if someone gets hurt or when Zobrist’s contract expires. There’s no reason to call up Happ just yet and start his clock, so let him get the reps he needs, and when the time comes, you figure maybe Russell and Baez would alternate between 2nd and short, with Baez and Happ alternating in the OF. I mean, there’s still some questions with Schwarber in left, Almora in center, and Heyward in right, though if Heyward opts out after 2018, then you have an opening there. Or maybe someone gets traded for SP, you never know, but I’d expect the Cubs to be in the mix for a lot of 2018 free agent starters, like Arrieta or Otani (if he does, in fact, come over).

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  11. mcase7187

    8 years ago

    Maybe they can get a guy like Brock Holt if the Sox are happy with fat boy then he could be a good pick up and I’m a Sox fan they need depth players right now

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  12. diehardcubfan 2

    8 years ago

    Baez would take Urias. Meaning neither team will be doing it

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    • thinkblech

      8 years ago

      My first reaction is that this is preposterous, from a straight up value for value standpoint (which I think it is, and in no part due to bias – Urias is just that advanced, and Baez’ bat is quick but questionable). But, given the Cubs’ need for arms, especially considering the potential for Arrieta walking, they might actually hold out for something like this, which wouldn’t happen, of course. Yeah, just not happening.

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    • brandons-3

      8 years ago

      I agree there. I think I’d be more hesitant to do that on Chicago’s end. Baez is more established and therefore easier to project whereas for all Urias’ talent is still an extremely young kid with unlimited upside. Baez is part of an offense that has already won one championship and can contend for more the next few years before everyone gets too expensive. Young arms are nice to have, but are so hard to predict health wise. Haven’t seen a pitching prospect this hyped since Strasburg, who for all his brilliance, has been hit a lot with the injury bug. Too much unpredictability on either side to do it, but the risk is greater concerning Chicago.

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      • thinkblech

        8 years ago

        Baez, at this stage, his calling card is his glove. Not the bat. When Baez was Urias’ age, he split the year between A/A+. Urias is nearly 4 years younger, and is in a different category. Urias is not being moved for a questionable bat utility infielder, no matter how good he is at tagging guys (and that is fun to watch).

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        • SuperSinker

          8 years ago

          Ya Urias is among the most valuable assets in baseball. Baez still has many questions to answer with his offensive profile.

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      • CubsFanForLife

        8 years ago

        If I’m Theo, and I’m not, obviously, then I’d do this. Urias still has 5+ years of control, and this kid is being regarded as the next Kershaw (RH, obviously, but I believe it). It’d be a cheaper alternative than to seek free agency pitching next offseason, and although moving Baez would add some constraints to the lineup not having that utility player, you could move Zobrist back to 2B, leave Schwarber in left, and then you have a more clear opening for Happ or Jimenez when the time comes. SP needs to be addressed at some point, and with Bryzzo extensions coming soon, younger, controllable options make a lot of sense.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          You do realize that Urias is a lefty right? Theo would, of course make the trade Urias for Baez straight up but no way the Dodgers do that.

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    • ttinsley1434

      8 years ago

      Lol

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  13. billysbballz

    8 years ago

    Starling Castro for Jordan Sheffield and another top 10 dodger prospect sounds like a decent starting point!

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    • ccremer2

      8 years ago

      Castro isn’t gonna be traded. The Yankees don’t have a ready backup. RefSnyder has yet to prove himself, Torres is still at least a year away and there no other strong alternative

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  14. plem24

    8 years ago

    Get my Reds to make it worth while to send Phillips to LAD and the cost likely is a bump to BP with Cinci covering some money for Calhoun

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    • thinkblech

      8 years ago

      Forgetting whether the Dodgers would be interested – is there any talk of BP accepting a deal to anywhere without an extension? Good for him for exercising his rights, but that is a major block to any deal.

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        There’s also the matter that Phillips isn’t really any good anymore. It’s an empty batting average and the defense is in major decline. Plus, he’s a jerk.

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        • sixpacktwo

          8 years ago

          Phillips has one year on his contract, is right handed and hit 290 last year. No Good? Yep, all the above can hit better than that.

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    • Cam

      8 years ago

      Problem is, Phillips isn’t very good. Unless they are giving him away, he simply isn’t worth acquiring. A platoon between Utley and Kike+Taylor will match what Phillips provides on the field.

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  15. GeauxRangers

    8 years ago

    Please give the Rangers some young pitching for Profar

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  16. libbylogan510

    8 years ago

    I don’t understand the Dodgers’ desperation to get a second baseman, but maybe it’s just the baseball writers making this stuff up. They can re-sign Utley and platoon him with Hernandez or Austin Barnes. Barnes will be the backup catcher, but he needs to get more at bats to stay fresh and maybe reach his potential. They also have Calhoun and Jose Fernandez (just signed) who could compete for the position in spring training. Then there’s Chris Taylor, who could also win the position. There is an excellent article from Baseball Prospectus on why a deal for Dozier is not the best for either the Dodgers or Twins. The link is: baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=30989.

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    • thinkblech

      8 years ago

      It isn’t just chasing a second baseman, it’s also rebalancing vs lefties, which was an obvious weakness. If you don’t have a clear starter, and there’s a lefty killer, then you kill two birds with one stone. Or, kill one bird, and maybe harangue the other one.

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      • lesterdnightfly

        8 years ago

        Adam Harangue?

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    • BlueSkyLA

      8 years ago

      Culbertson is also in this mix. The problem is none of these players are someone you want to see in that position every day, or maybe even every other day, and none of them supply the top of the order bats this team needs.

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      • thinkblech

        8 years ago

        Top of the order, or providing a platoon advantage vs lefties. One or both of those.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Platooning seems to work better on paper than in reality. I can see giving a regular a day off every few days when the matchups favor it, but splitting time between two second stringers really doesn’t seem do it.

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        • thinkblech

          8 years ago

          Anecdotal – need a bit more than Enrique’s awful year (cancer and all), and SVS’ back giving out. Platoons have worked.

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        • thinkblech

          8 years ago

          I didn’t mean for that to sound snarky- if you have a link to a study that shows the success/fail rates of platoon situations, and it shows that they show up generally as a negative situation, I’d love a link.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Platooning was actually originally started by doing exactly this – utilizing two players with weaknesses in their games and minimizing those weaknesses by not exposing them. Casey Stengel made platoons popular, although I think the Braves World Series winning team in 1914 was the first to use platoons all over the field.

          The problem, of course, is that Stengel’s teams and the 1914 Braves didn’t carry 13 pitchers. Platooning just doesn’t work in contemporary baseball. The Dodgers can’t use Barnes at second because you don’t play your only two catchers on field at the same time. The Dodgers have what would seem an ideal platoon situation with Van Slyke and Ethier or maybe even AGon (who really struggles against lefties now). But Van Slyke might not even make the roster at this point. The Dodgers probably are only going to carry four bench players, so the backup catcher, a backup infielder (hernandez), and two backup outfielders, Thompson and Toles.

          The inability of the new CBA to expand rosters to 26 or 27 players really hurts managerial creativity and roster flexibility.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          This, basically. Platooning has a place in today’s baseball, but it is limited by practical considerations, not the least of which is the number of specialists in carried on rosters now. I don’t see that as being the fault of roster limits. It’s just the way the game is played now. Expanding the rosters would only accelerate the trend towards specialization. With 26 or 27 players, teams could carry a pinch runner, for example.

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        • GarryHarris

          8 years ago

          George Stallings is considered the pioneer of the platoon system. I believe that John McGraw, Casey Stengel and Sparky Anderson sometimes over used platoons when they weren’t necessary. Today, Bruce Bochy and Terry Francona are very adept at using platoons.

          I think that using a super-sub is not a pure platooning of players. Its more like using an extra player full-time at different positions like Joe Maddon uses Ben Zobrist. ChiSox Frank Isbell and Roger Bresnahan may be the first super-subs.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Right, super-sub or super-utility players are a different matter. I am talking about a true platoon, sharing one position between two players. It isn’t the manager’s job so much as the GM’s to make it work. A team needs exactly the right players and they have to be able to play other positions or they will spend too much time gathering splinters on the bench. In today’s more specialized game a true platoon is difficult to pull off.

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        • gamemusic3 2

          8 years ago

          Why not have a pinch runner? Baseball legitimately would be better if pinch runner was a common position.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          If you like the specialization, I guess. Not everybody does. But the point was increasing roster sizes would probably lead to more specialization, not more platooning.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          In the 80s most teams carried a punch runner. Remember Jim walewander? Or John Cangelosi?

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  17. mrhogg

    8 years ago

    Difo strikes me as an ingenious idea tbh — not all on his own of course but as a piece they could get for one of their 2nd tier prospects and then throw into the mix described by libbylogan510 just above … don’t know of course if the Nats want to move him, he’s blocked but blocked is another term for, serving as a great insurance policy

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    • thinkblech

      8 years ago

      Really? I’m open-minded here, but I don’t think he can provide much more than an Utley/Enrique/Barnes mash up.

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  18. dodgerfan711

    8 years ago

    Dilfo? The poor guy who kershaw struck out to end the nlds. Dont see him being a better option then kike or utley

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  19. Thronson5

    8 years ago

    I think that they won’t be able to get s deal done for Dozier. I believe the Teins will wait until the trade deadline or deal him somewhere else which kind of baffles me because his stock is high so they can get more now especially if he has a bad first half and I think the reason they haven’t gotten s deal done yet is because they are asking so much and teams believe they will be able to get him for less if they do wait til the deadline and he has a bad first half because if I think he’s a better second half player. With that being said, I think the Dodgers will sign Utley, trade for someone like Braun or Jay Bruce and try to revisit talks with the Twins at the deadline.

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    • mcdusty31

      8 years ago

      You completely lost me at Jay Bruce

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      • lesterdnightfly

        8 years ago

        He lost me when I saw no punctuation between suppositions.

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  20. johnmillerjones

    8 years ago

    Dodgers should trade Rob Segedin and a rookie ball pitcher for Brett Lawrie.

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  21. stryk3istrukuout

    8 years ago

    Good job, Dodgers. Trade Howie Kendrick and leave yourself without a plan B. I have to assume they make a trade. I like Profar on this team potentially, but there’s obviously no guarantee he pans out and the cost could be too high. Cesar Hernandez might be a good fit- great OBP and decent speed. Kendrick would replace him, but just doesn’t seem like a move the Phillies make unless they are blown away by an offer. It’s too bad Jhonny Peralta has never played second as the Dodgers could get him cheap. Not a great player, but a reliable starter. Or, now that the Angels have signed Valbuena, they could acquire Yunel Escobar.

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    • BlueSkyLA

      8 years ago

      Escobar might even be a good fit, if he played 2B.

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      • stryk3istrukuout

        8 years ago

        Escobar is pretty versatile. Has he never played second? I know he has played third and shortstop.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          He’s played it some, just not very much. It’s a lot to ask to expect someone to man a position every day when they’ve played it hardly at all in a long career. Look what happened to Kendrick when they moved him to LF, his production dropped off a lot.

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      I mean in this case no harm no foul really. Kendrick obviously wasn’t in their plans. It was pretty simple to see at the beginning of the year. I feel as though their plan from the beginning has been Utley platoon if they weren’t able to secure someone cheaply and ride that out until the deadline. I still think the end result nets a flexible Forsythe. Which is big in the eyes of the FO.

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    • vtadave

      8 years ago

      Good post except Kendrick isn’t a second baseman anymore.

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  22. 1738hotlinebling

    8 years ago

    Brett Lawrie?

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  23. gbrown1976

    8 years ago

    What about trading for Zack Cosart and having him play second?

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      Most of Cozart’s value is in his elite-level defense at short, which would be wasted by moving him to second.

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  24. Chefno2

    8 years ago

    Make a damn move LA. You do realize that a guy like Dozier or Kinsler or Braun could bring you to the World Series. A place you haven’t reached for some time yet having an amazing team these past few years. If it costs you Bellinger or De Leon then do it. They are operating like the Rays, when in reality they have enormous money to spend. Acquire premium talent that is MLB proven and stop pretending that anybody you have is anywhere near Seager or Urias. If you truly believe that because you have guys locked up, that you can play tiddly winks, for the current years then you have a serious problem. As an NL West non LA fan you guys should have won at least 2 World Series over the past several years with your payroll and talent. Unfortunately it has gone all to Cubans who have proven they can’t play at MLB level or act like it. Prove your worth LA and win!

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    • baseballdeez

      8 years ago

      I wouldn’t part with Bellinger considering he’s probably up full time in 2018 during Adrian’s final year so he can play OF then switch to 1b. Guy has perennial AS written all over him. De Leon might not be as highly thought of as his ranking. He struggles to get 100+ innings annually

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      • Chefno2

        8 years ago

        It’s just a matter of projecting vs current reality. If I were LA I’d be confident in resigning A’Gon, and trading Bellinger for an actual All-Star like Dozier or Kinsler which seems like a no brainer. These guys aren’t Seager and they have money to spend so even if they trade De Leon and he becomes a number 2 guy they can sign such a guy with no problem. Friedman isn’t running the Rays with an emphasis on building, they need to trade for that impact guy to put them over the edge. I’m an SD fan but I love the guys LA has, and I would love to see them as World Champions because they have the talent. That may sound ridiculous but i genuinely enjoy that roster. They just need that piece that will set them over where they currently are.

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        • vtadave

          8 years ago

          Why would the Dodgers want to sign Gonzalez beyond 2018 when he’s already declining and they have a near=ready option in Bellinger? Just an awful idea.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          How do you know bellinger isnt seager? Have you ever seen him play. Bellinger flat out rakes. Why would they re sign gonzalez when he wont be a free agent until he is 37??? None of what you say makes sense

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          It’s actually an assessment of perception rather than reality. The dodgers didn’t advance because they didn’t have Dozier. They lost because of their SP.

          Bellinger doesn’t need to be Seager. He really doesn’t. And no I would not resign or be confident in Gonzo after 18 at which point he’d be 37. As good as he is def, age is catching up to him. He’s going to need a DH spot realistically.

          I really like this team but the fact remains if Kersh isn’t healthy, Hill can’t repeat, Maeda and Urias can’t continue to grow into their workloads then this team isn’t ticketed for a WS this year. To me I’d rather them win the deadline than the offseason. I just keep circling back to Forsythe being the best fit on this team. I also have a feeling that the OF may provide some needed upgrade mid season. To me Cain is the perfect fit to this lineup, but like Kinsler they likely are going to sell yet. So I see the Dodgers re upping Utley and reassessing at the deadline.

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      • phantomofdb

        8 years ago

        “De Leon might not be as highly thought of as his ranking. He struggles to get 100+ innings annually”

        Exactly. DeLeon has question marks all over him. Which is why its nothing short of asinine that *anyone* argues the Twins should part with Dozier for just him, or just him and “lottery tickets”.

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  25. bobbleheadguru

    8 years ago

    Kinsler was the MVP of the Tigers last year. He has brought 18 in bWAR to the Tigers in only 3 years. Makes no sense to trade him for a bag of left handed doorknobs. Detroit us not a feeder team to the Dodgers. Keep him. Period.

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  26. ducksnort69

    8 years ago

    Still think the Rays match up. Would not be surprised if they got Miller instead of Forsythe to handle 2nd. Rays have shown they value guys others don’t, so I also would not be surprised to see a package not discussed.

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  27. richardholbrooke

    8 years ago

    Thinking out of the box– how about the Dodgers pursue Met’s Wilmer Flores to play 2B everyday?

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    • biasisrelitive

      8 years ago

      how dose this make the team significantly better

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    • vtadave

      8 years ago

      Flores is a below average defender at third base. Putting him at second would be a disaster.

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  28. wingod

    8 years ago

    Everyone talks about Dozier losing value between now and July. Why doesn’t anyone talk about DeLeon losing value? The guy hasn’t ever performed well at the MLB top level, what if he continues to struggle, or worse, he gets hurt? Seems the Dodgers have some risk too.

    Further, if Dozier somehow does have another solid half year to begin 2017, isn’t he even more costly despite having less control remaining?

    I mean, both teams seem to be gambling on the value of their players, but it seems only the Twins get called out for it, as though prospects can’t lose value during the course of a year. Pitching prospects especially.

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    • biasisrelitive

      8 years ago

      gioleto is a great example

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    • takeyourbase

      8 years ago

      Despite the hype DeLeon has big risk. Especially if he is the only piece in a trade for a guy like Dozier. I don’t blame the Twins for passing on that one. Dodgers are low balling imo. Which is what they should do given they are the only market for Dozier. But no one should blame MN for not taking that deal.

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  29. sixpacktwo

    8 years ago

    If the Dodgers plugged in Phillips at 2nd, they add a righthander who hit 290 last year. He is on his last year of contract, so he most likely has a great year. and the Dodgers have a year to work on long term without costing them a lot, except money which they have.

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  30. crazysull

    8 years ago

    Just try to get Hernandez already he will only cost you 1 top 30 prospect where as Dozier would cost you multiple top 10 prospects. I would be going after Hernandez if I were them

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  31. gorav114

    8 years ago

    Young pitching or Puig could pry away Schoop from the Os

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  32. crazysull

    8 years ago

    It would take more than that for sure.

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  33. JA L.

    8 years ago

    Plain and simple, Dozier fits their needs, and is available. Stop dumpster diving and acquire the talent needed to move the needle.

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    • adamsessler

      8 years ago

      Dumpster diving??? I would almost rather have Hernandez over Dozier. Hernandez doesn’t hit for power, but does almost everything else better than Dozier. He would cost the Dodgers less & he’s much younger. Hernandez & Seager would be LAD’s DP combo for at least the next 5 yrs…

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        Dozier is a very good defender and base runner though

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    • takeyourbase

      8 years ago

      I’d take Hernandez over Dozier. Just for the team control.

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  34. birch696969

    8 years ago

    Brandon Phillips is your man and the Reds would pay half of his salary.

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    • adamsessler

      8 years ago

      IF Phillips waives his no-trade clause.

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      • davbee

        8 years ago

        Which he won’t.

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  35. adamsessler

    8 years ago

    Would LOVE Hernandez, but he’s penciled in to be PHI’s starting 2B, he’s young, talented, & cost controlled until 2021, so PHI really has no reason to move him, meaning LAD would have to overpay to get him.

    Would also love Baez, but CHI would be foolish to trade him, unless they got an absolute mint in return. Zobrist may be signed thru 2019, but he’ll be 36 yrs. old early next season, & Baez will probably replace him as the starting 2B before that contract is up…

    Profar should be more obtainable… At one pt he was the #1 prospect in baseball, but since then he’s struggled in the bigs, had an injury that cost him 2 full seasons, & is now basically a utility infielder behind Andrus & Odor. He’s also not an ideal fit for LAD b/c, although he’s a switch hitter, thus far, he’s been terrible against lefties…

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  36. emac22

    8 years ago

    Castro from the Yanks seems like a good match.

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  37. alexgordonbeckham

    8 years ago

    Someone from mlb.com suggested Tyler Saladino as a possible target. Plays great defense and is solid with the bat. Has 5 years of control as well.

    I still feel if the Rangers add a Napoli or Moss to the 1B/DH rotation, they should deal Profar to the Dodgers.

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  38. sandy kazmir

    8 years ago

    First it was Dave Cameron and now here. Why are folks saying the Rays don’t have a suitable replacement for Logan Forsythe if they were to move him? The team could pretty easily manufacture a league average or better 2B out of Tim Beckham, Nick Franklin, Brad Miller, Matt Duffy, David Robertson, or Willy Adames. It’s 2B. The Rays should be seeing to draft off of the Dozier fall-through to take a little less for Forsythe, a player that Andrew Friedman has specifically targeted in a deal just two years ago. The hold up on this move would be the Dodgers reluctance to give up anything worthwhile to fill their biggest need. I assure you that if the Dodgers were willing to give fair value that the Rays wouldn’t question for a second how they would fill out the position in 2017.

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    • sandy kazmir

      8 years ago

      To that end I’d love to get back Yusniel Diaz and Brock Stewart for the lad. This is less than it would take for Dozier by quite a bit, and the Rays get another multi-inning relief pitcher with the ability to spot start that can sit in Durham until needed. Diaz doesn’t require a 40-man slot at this time, his signing bonus should already be paid, and he would become the Rays highest thought of right-handed outfielder. There’s a lot of bust written on this guy, but if it all comes together you’re looking at a nice piece.

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      • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

        8 years ago

        That’s not an unreasonable ask at all. If that was even remotely possible I’m doing on that without question.

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      I’m pretty sure brad Miller is penciled in at 1st since his defence is bad and Duffy is at SS. Maybe nick franklin could be average, but the others you listed all come with big question marks

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      • ducksnort69

        8 years ago

        Miller would be fine at 2nd. He is wasted at first. Not a good SS, but he was serviceable. 2nd is his real position. Seattle had Cano, Rays Forsythe; only reason he has not gotten a full time gig there.

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  39. bojapally

    8 years ago

    bigo live pcthis is the one of the best exmple for that so have a look buddys

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  40. phillies012tg

    8 years ago

    Phillies should just send Hernandez to the dodgers, he isn’t their second basemen of the future and once Crawford is ready then what?

    Send Hernandez to La, let Kendrick play second and galvis play short, when Crawford is called up, move galvis or Kendrick to utility role and see how Crawford performs in the bigs. If he plays well, trade Kendrick (if he has a market) and let galvis play second.

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  41. Z-A 2

    8 years ago

    Klentak: We’ll give you Howie Kendrick…

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    • phillies012tg

      8 years ago

      I have no idea why the dodgers, desperate for a right handed hitting second basemen, trade him for Ruf and Sweeney. Makes no sense for the dodgers, but whatever gets ruf off of the phillies.

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      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        They saved $10 mill. That was the sense in doing so.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          And left them with a hole to plug. Hard to see how they do it for less.

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  42. Texas LawDog

    8 years ago

    I think Odor might be a better trade candidate than Profar. Texas can get a lot more for Odor. If they trade Profar, they’ll sell low and end up regretting it.

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  43. Gogerty

    8 years ago

    Makes me wonder how highly rated a 2B they require? Do they NEED Dozier, Utley, or the other top tier suggestions? Could they go for league average to start the year and not give up as much?

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    • TrumpisMyGawd

      8 years ago

      None of the guys on the team now would even come close to league average.

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  44. Dark_Knight

    8 years ago

    I think it’s more likely Hernandez would be flipped to a third team (i.e. Rays or Twins).

    He would fit the Dodgers fairly well. He’s a high OBP type.

    I do think the Rangers and Dodgers match up really well though given the Rangers lack of pitching depth.

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  45. davbee

    8 years ago

    Villar from the Brewers for young pitching. Makes sense on both sides.

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    • baumer16

      8 years ago

      I’m surprised that Villar hasn’t been mentioned more as an option. They could get Braun and Villar which would really help their problems against left handed pitching. I guess the reason is because the Dodgers aren’t looking to give a whole lot up to fill those needs and getting Villar just by himself would cost a lot.

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  46. zmeyguy2

    8 years ago

    TRADE CEASER AND SIGN UTLEY @Phillies

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  47. sammydog

    8 years ago

    Josh Harrison from the Pirates.

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  48. CubsFanFrank

    8 years ago

    Though he showed flashes of brilliance on the field, it was his personality, on and off the field that really won fans over. And with players like that, no trade return is going to be enough in the eyes of the fans.

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