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Central Notes: Quintana, Guerra, Perkins, Park, Williams

By Mark Polishuk | March 21, 2017 at 10:35pm CDT

The Pirates, Astros and Braves are among multiple teams still showing interest in White Sox lefty Jose Quintana, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reports.  Pittsburgh and Houston have been widely linked to Quintana on the rumor mill all winter long, while connections between Quintana and the Braves have been largely quiet since December, when Atlanta reportedly balked at Chicago’s very high asking price for the southpaw.  Several evaluators tell Passan that the Braves aren’t a great trade fit for the Sox, as while Atlanta’s farm system is very deep, its top prospects (Dansby Swanson, Ozzie Albies and Kevin Maitan) are all middle infielders, and Chicago already has Tim Anderson and Yoan Moncada slated as their up-the-middle combo of the future.  In short, not much has really changed on the Quintana front, as the Sox are in no rush to make a deal unless someone meets their price.  “The White Sox have dispatched more scouts than usual” to minor league camps, Passan writes, in a sign of due diligence should a good trade offer suddenly emerge.

Here’s more from both the NL and AL Central…

  • Also from Passan’s piece, two sources believe that after Quintana, the Brewers’ Junior Guerra is the best starter available on the trade market.  Guerra received a bit of trade buzz at the trade deadline and back in November, though there wasn’t much chatter about the righty.  Guerra came out of nowhere to post a 2.81 ERA, 7.4 K/9 and 2.33 K/BB rate as a 31-year-old rookie last season.  Despite his rather advanced age, his good performance and five remaining years of team control make him an interesting trade chip for Milwaukee.
  • Glen Perkins will meet with Twins trainers and coaches later this week to determine the next step of his rehab from shoulder surgery, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports, and a 60-day DL stint is a possibility.  Perkins would have to give his consent to be placed on the disabled list, as per the rules of the collective bargaining agreement.  That placement would allow Minnesota to open up a 40-man roster spot for another player, though Perkins wouldn’t be able to return until June 1 at the earliest.  The veteran lefty has been limited to 20-pitch bullpen sessions every four days during Spring Training, and will start the season on at least the 10-day DL, though he is hopeful of being able to pitch much earlier than June 1.
  • Byung Ho Park was outrighted off the Twins’ 40-man roster last month, but the first baseman is trying to work himself back into the club’s immediate plans with a big Spring Training, MLB.com’s Rhett Bollinger writes.  Park has recovered from a wrist injury that hampered him during his rookie season, and he also seems generally more relaxed now that he is more used to MLB pitching.  According to South Korean reporters who followed Park in the KBO League, Bollinger writes that Park similarly put a lot of pressure on himself early in his career before settling in and becoming a major star for Nexen Heroes.  Since Kennys Vargas has one more option year remaining, Minnesota has the flexibility to send Vargas to Triple-A if Park impresses enough to win the DH job.
  • White Sox VP and former general manager Ken Williams has “not been this excited about the White Sox’ future in a long, long time,” he told media (including Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times).  Williams was resistant to GM Rick Hahn’s idea for a rebuild, though he noted that “a lot of us around here needed this kind of jolt” brought on by the franchise’s youth movement.  “To talk to Rick about the possibilities trade-wise we may have out there in the future, free agency, international signing wise…we’re in full-go mode. And it’s exciting,” Williams said.
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  1. chesteraarthur

    8 years ago

    Then those evaluators are dumb. 1. There is question of whether moncada can stay on the infield 2. whether or not anderson can 3. whether either of them succeed in the long run as mlb players and 4. we’ve seen that MIF can change positions if they have the bat.

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    • Travis’ Wood

      8 years ago

      Chester I clicked on this article to comment the same exact thing… thats just awful reporting by Passan. Maitan is 16 years old for crying out loud, he won’t be ready for another 4-5 years at least. Plus, as you mentioned, middle infielders can play all over the diamond. On top of that, the Braves are loaded with young arms that could interest the White Sox. This just makes no sense on so many levels.

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      • chesteraarthur

        8 years ago

        He’s 17, but yeah

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      I’m going with it’s a bad fit because of who the braves are willing to part with. They aren’t trading Swanson . They don’t seem to be inclined to trade Albies. So essentially Maitan is the headliner in terms of positional guys if they even are willing to move him. Do the White Soxs really want Maitan as the headliner? I’m not questioning his ability, but he’s 17 playing about to play his first pro season. Plus no one truly knows who’s on their draft boards. The Inf group is pretty intriguing and they might feel they have a better handle on that then other positions. It doesn’t sound to crazy as Hahn’s seemed to have a plan since day 1 of the winter meetings. There evaluations aren’t just happening in a bubble.

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      • bravesfan

        8 years ago

        I haven’t seen any movement on the braves from that would indicate they are willing to already trade Maitan. and let’s be honest… Quintana is not worth the top prospect haul being ask for.

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          Don’t do that, don’t degrade incredible pitchers just because they’re not a Brave. Sure, he’s no Sale, even Coppy has stated that – probably why he isn’t a Brave yet – but, Quintana has proven a lot more in his tenure than a 17-year old young man with comps to the greatest hitter of our generation. Quintana provides the kind of stability that teams should give up the farm for, especially if they don’t have a history of developing their talent into stars (i.e. Baltimore – not that they are in on Q). Then you factor in his price and he would be worth the risk – and the equipment manager wouldn’t worry about him approving the day’s jerseys.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          First off, not degrading him because he’s not in a braves uniform.. straight up i don’t think he’s worth the talent that has been asked of.. Second, you don’t do that. Don’t over exaggerate a players talents all because you want him. Look, I won’t balk if he’s on our team, but the guy is not elite by any nature. He’s a very solid avg to above avg pitcher. The braves are in the middle of a massive rebuild. why would we donate our system for an avg pitcher merely because we could control him for a while. Thing is, a lot of baseball fans act like prospect don’t pan out. and although statically that odds aren’t good, obviously prospects pan out because we wouldn’t be talking about baseball if it didn’t. We have an incredible talented depth in our system and there is no doubt in my mind, that we have plenty of guys that will at the least be just as good as Quintana during there major league career. Chris Sale? maybe not, but I’d put good money that we will have quite a few prospects that will be very avg pitchers just like quintana.

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          You have absolutely no idea what average means.

          “that we have plenty of guys that will at the least be just as good as Quintana during there major league career”

          – This is laughable.

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          Calling Quintana “average” is degrading, which is different from saying he’s not worth top prospects. Can he not be an exceptional pitcher without calling him an ace, similar to his Venezuelan teammate, Julio Teheran, that has an ace-like asking price because of a team-friendly long-term deal?

          Ironically, this is exactly what other fans were doing to Teheran when he was on the market last year, though he continues to outperform his FiP.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Except Quintana is better then Teheran and it really isn’t close. Quintana is one of the top 20 pitchers in baseball statistically over the last 3 years. He is no where near an average pitcher. When he throw in his team friendly contract he is an extremely valuable asset. My guess is he will be traded at the deadline for a haul not quite the Sale haul but probably close he is an excellent pitcher.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          The kid is a solid ball player, don’t get me wrong. and you can throw all kinds of stats out there. But when you have been in the league for 5 years and only have 1 season with over 10 wins, you are not elite. And don’t blame that on the product of the team he’s on. Teheran at least put up double digit wins on some pretty rough braves teams. Calling Quintana avg to above avg is not degrading simply because it’s the straight up truth.

          While we are on the topic, Never said Teheran was elite. Most teams, the guy is a number two maybe 3. Great pitcher, much like Quintana, but not worth the prospect haul that we asked for. HENCE WHY THE TRADE NEVER HAPPEN lol

          Your argument to deplete a system for a (and i’ll be nice for DMC) above avg pitcher doesn’t make a lick of sense when we aren’t gonna be compete for years.. it just doesn’t at all. Let the system do it’s job, then once we are competitive again we can reconsider something along this line.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          I don’t mind a back and forth with DMC, the guy at least makes valid points and in general I agree with most of his input., but chesteraarthur is literally the worse when it comes to reading his comments. Any time I see him trolling I just assume what he’s saying is complete crap. half the time, he pulls out stats that never exist and tries to use them to annoy people. It’s best when you see his crap to just carry on.

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        • Sam.rhodes16

          8 years ago

          2/3-3/4 of the Sale haul max

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          Just because you don’t understand stats, doesn’t mean they’re made up, champ.

          Over the last 3 years, Quintana has been the 8th most valuable pitcher in the entirety of MLB. If you think that is average than you need to consult a dictionary.

          fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&…
          Educate yourself.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          First, win me games. You have zero value to me if you can’t win a game. Which Quintana struggles with getting wins and has so for years. He keeps you in the ball game, which is nice, but he can’t win.

          2nd, keep trolling.

          3rd. WAR is an “educated” estimate of a players value for their team. Ie the stat provides a healthy amt of wiggle room for error. Although I personally use it to gauge a player, it doesn’t overcome basic stats and the eyeball test. With that said, in no way am I undermining how talented I think he is. I would love to have him on the braves, but not at a cost of tanking our system and definitely not now where we are at on the rebuilding process. If I’m a team on the brink of winning it all, then giving up your system isn’t unreasonable. but in the braves situation, he’s no way worth the haul being ask or hypothetical people throw out.

          Lots of braves fans or in this white sox fans, with over value both the prospects and starters. In this case, you are trying to sell me to give up my systems in order to buy a guy who can’t win with a team that’s better than the one we can put on the field for the next few years. No sir, this is a bad idea.

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          bravesfan1: So you seem to tout the value of a pitcher’s wins over what you call “…stats that never exist…”.
          Hmm….

          BTW, grammar and punctuation help when trying to convince others of your position. And using all caps has the opposite effect. Same with dismissing others’ views simply as “crap” without making a valid counterpoint.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          “Although I personally use it to gauge a player”

          Looks like you only do that when it suits your argument.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          It’s really hard to take you seriously Bravesfan 1 when you use the highly outdated wins/loss thing and discount the far more valuable statistics that are around now.

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        • Ungerdog

          8 years ago

          agreed

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        • Ungerdog

          8 years ago

          the fact that you are relying on wins while discarding valid statistical analysis as “throwing all kinds of stats out there” says a lot about your overall understanding of baseball. I’m sorry if this sounds insulting but you’re coming from a very weak position analytically and it seems insulting when you say things “average pitcher”. I’m assuming you didn’t feel that king Felix deserved his last cy young because his wins total wasn’t high enough…

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        • WheelinDealinDodgers

          8 years ago

          Unbiased (on this topic) Red Sox here… I would take Tehran 100 times out of 100 over Quintana if all other contextual factors were equal. Your putting way too much weight on Tehran’s 14-15 seasons when it was pretty clear something was a miss w/him be it injury or what have you but he looked every bit the stud he was prophesied to be coming up thru the ranks in 2016 and that’s a level quintana and all his reliability will never reach.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          I couldn’t disagree more about Teheran. I am just curios to see what you think Teheran can do better then Quintana.

          It’s also funny to that everyone seems to think that Quintana is a soft tosser because he isn’t. He is not elite with speed but can crank it up to 95 if he wants and averages 92 on his fastball. Quite frankly I don’t think Teheran is better anywhere then Quintana. Q is a number 1 period statistically over the last three years he is one of the top 15 to 20 pitchers in baseball.

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  2. Nola Di Bari 67

    8 years ago

    Tim Anderson can move to center and the Sox can shoot for a shortstop.Anderson has the speed, arm, and athleticism to play Centerfield.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      so does moncada

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  3. Priggs89

    8 years ago

    1. Glad you’re excited Kenny. Now stay away please.
    2. Even if Anderson and Moncada pan out at SS and 2B, you can never have enough middle infield prospects that can hit (especially shortstops).
    3. Despite Anderson’s 14 errors, he looked surprisingly good at SS last year. I wouldn’t even think about moving him right now unless a can’t miss opportunity pops up or he proves last year was a fluke.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      Why is Kenny Williams still allowed anywhere near this team, seriously?

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        That’s a fantastic question that I’d love to know the answer to.

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        • Hiro

          8 years ago

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  4. pplama

    8 years ago

    Hey Braves Fans,
    If you HAD to give up Albies OR Maitan for Quintana, who would you be more willing to lose??

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    • TradeAcuna

      8 years ago

      I would give up any combination of starting pitchers they want before id include either Albies or Maitan.

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      • RunDMC

        8 years ago

        Agreed with this statement. But if pushed, Albies. As much as I want Quintana, I don’t think this is a good fit. Wouldn’t want to lose Fried either. I know you need to part with great talent to get great talent, but I would wait it out in hopes that some of our pieces put it together this season, like Ronald Acuna, boosting their trade value.

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        • southi

          8 years ago

          My opinion is that while Quintana would definitely help the Braves, why trade for him at this point? I don’t think that Quintana would push them into being a World Series contender at this point. While I know that he has several more years of control (and is an excellent pitcher) I’m not sure that acquiring him now would be more beneficial to the organization than having the talent later that you’d have to give up to acquire him. Of course that would truly depend on WHO was dealt from the Braves to in this hypothetical deal, but I’d expect the price to be steep on high end soon to be ready for MLB talent.

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          I think the thought is that if you obtain him then you wouldn’t be pressed in overpaying a TOTR arm that will want $25-30M per and fill in the holes with the salary saved from Quintana’s deal. Quintana and Teheran were teammates on Team Venezuela and are friends and you could wonder if there would be a better rotation teammate than Q for Teheran in headlining a rotation. Hopefully some other pieces not traded would fill in the spots whether it be Folty, Fried, Newcomb, Weigel, Soroka, etc. ATL has most of its talent in the lower minors which will take 2-4 years to mature, and not much in AAA. You’re right, he wouldn’t push us to WS contention especially knowing that Colon, Garcia and most likely Dickey will need replacements, not including a catcher and 3B.

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        • biasisrelitive

          8 years ago

          thank you ^ this is what I’ve been saying the braves have no chance of a deep run this year so why get quintona now

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          No doubt southi. Braves really shouldn’t make a deal and can wait if they feel like it. I’ve said the same thing about them wanting to pursue Archer..

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          To me, Archer makes more sense, unless TB’s ask. I wish someone in the ATL camp would have known of the level of interest in Mallex Smith and used him as a secondary piece in the deal. We probably would have had to part with Albies (knowing they just traded their star 2B, Logan Forsythe), but it might have saved them from Fried and/or Allard. A package headlined by Albies, Folty, Mallex Smith with possibly Austin Riley (being Longo’s replacement, if they want to shop him a doing a complete rebuild), would have looked enticing. Smith is now on TB (by way of SEA) and a deal still looks bleak, though TB is reportedly interested in still trading pitching.

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          Though ATL likes Archer more, it’s interesting that Teheran just played with Quintana on Team Venezuela in the WBC and are friends, both excelling during the games together. I wonder if Quintana could provide more stability to Teheran anchoring the rotation than someone else, though admittedly this is a leap and an intangible that would be difficult to measure.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          Looks, I get why you want these guys and why some braves fans do. But I don’t understand the value of cleaning out a deep system to go get players who, yes will make an impact, but not enough so to push us to a WS. Heck, I don’t even know if we would be contending for a playoff spot with those guys (right now or in the next year or so….) . If we weren’t in the middle of a major rebuild, ok… let’s talk more about letting go of prospects to grab archer longo type talent. but right now, lets keep rolling the dice and hope that one of these prospects turn into a archer or longo… we have a deep system … it’s realistic for us to believe that the hype will turn into reality for a handful of these prospects.

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        • Ungerdog

          8 years ago

          I don’t see TB trading Archer this year, unless they’re out of it at the all-star break…even then, it would take a lot to pry him loose. they would have to be blown away to let him go

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  5. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    the pirates could put a package together for quintana starting with glasnow

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    • impliedi

      8 years ago

      My hunch is that the Pirates are pretty willing to trade any combination of their high level pitching prospects (including Glasnow) and lower level position players, but that the hold-up is that the White Sox want either Josh Bell or Austin Meadows and the Pirates won’t part with either one.

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      • tylerall5

        8 years ago

        As a pirates fan, I would love to have Q. However, if it costs one of Bell/Meadows, I say no deal. They have plenty of pitching prospects that can get the deal done when you include supplemental position prospects, but Bell is already in the majors and showing well, while Meadows is nearing close to reaching. Q makes the pirates better, but will they be a WS contender?

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          They’re right for not giving up Meadows – dude is a stud. Hurry up and get rid of Cutch so we can see the Meadows in CF.

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  6. slider32

    8 years ago

    After the showing of the Yankee prospects this spring training I would think Hahn holds onto Quintana untill the Yanks are ready to deal some of their excess position players. The Sox need position player prospects more than pitching at this point, and the Yanks have the best position players.

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  7. Kang Ho Polanco

    8 years ago

    I’m on mobile trying to reply to impliedi, but it seems to allow no replies on mobile, just new comments.

    Perhaps. The jury is still out on Glasnow. Some think his top-10 MLB prospect status is well deserved. Some think he will never develop a solid third pitch or hold runners well enough and thus become a closer. What the Pirates think of him is anyone’s guess.

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    • tylerall5

      8 years ago

      I said it from when Glasgow was in class A that he’d be best suited for a relief role.

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  8. bravesfan

    8 years ago

    Braves don’t need Quintana at this point in the rebuild. Stay away, it’s not worth it.

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  9. wsox05

    8 years ago

    The White Sox won’t take just a package of SP prospects. They already did that with Washington. They’ve brought in Kopech, Giolito, Lopez and Dunning to go with Fulmer, Adams and Hansen. Three of them will be in AAA, two in AA and two in High A with the chance to move quickly. Then when you add in Rodon in the majors already, there is no reason not to go after position prospects.

    Any Braves deal would have to start with Albies. But to me even as a Sox fan, the Braves don’t make a whole lot of sense. But if they’re willing to give up Albies with other top prospects then do it.

    The Pirates to me have to begin with probably Meadows, Keller, Hayes.

    The Astros deal starts with Martes and Tucker.

    The Yankees need to start with Frazier.

    A premier young position prospect should be the lead for the White Sox.

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    • pplama

      8 years ago

      Sox need to continue to trade for the best talent available, regardless of position..
      I also believe it is time for them to move on from players whom the Braves, Yanks and ‘Stros need in the short term.
      That means concentrating on Tucker, Perez or Whitley, instead of Martes. Maiton, Allard or Acuna, instead of Albies. Rutherford over Frazier.
      Distance from the Bigs means higher risk, but teams have made it known the Sox are asking for the wrong prospects.

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      • RunDMC

        8 years ago

        That’s the interesting thing about CHW, they’re looking for shorter window players that I think makes other teams less inclined. Though I don’t know this, I would suspect TB would be more attracted to the more long-term prospects with possibly a higher-ceiling in a deal for any of their pitching, including Archer, whom ATL covets moreso than Quintana.

        Thing is, ATL really covets Maitan, Acuna, Allard. I would rather part with Albies, as painful as it would be, than any of those 3. Acuna could be up next year, looking like Andruw Jones Jr. and Allard is ahead of schedule. Yes, there’s a giant risk in Maitan, but I don’t think you want to be the GM that trades away someone with comps to Miggy, even if he falls far short.

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        • pplama

          8 years ago

          Could Albies play CF? His tools profile seems to indicate that he could, but I’m not familiar with his throwing action or first step ability.
          Rumor I read was the Sox turned down Albies, Newcomb, Riley and a Lottery Arm. But seemed to indicate it was the offer they preferred over what the Yanks, Pirates and ‘Stros have been willing to give-up.

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        • southi

          8 years ago

          In answer to pplama:
          I’d imagine that Albies could definitely play centerfield, he is extremely athletic and has a 65 tool grade on defense (compared to only a 50 defensive grade for Moncada).

          HOPEFULLY however the only time white sox fans ever see Albies though will be when the Atlanta Braves come to visit sometime in the future and he is never in a package for Quintana. The kid is very young, with an awesome hit tool , and well above average speed, defense and arm. With his tools and his young age it is POSSIBLE (although certainly never likely) he could be the type of front of the line-up hitter (good OBP skills) that gets enough plate appearances that eventually he gets 3000 hits. It isn’t likely because it has seemed to this point he has always gotten odd injuries from time to time. Maybe his luck changes one day and I’d like to see that happen in a Braves uniform (and definitely NOT saying the kid is a hall of famer waiting to happen, just saying he is one of the rare type of prospects that if you squint real hard you can see has a logical arguable window to 3000 hits and there aren’t really tons of those)..

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      • wsox05

        8 years ago

        That doesn’t matter. If they want Quintana, they have to give up what the Sox are asking for. They don’t dictate the deal here, the Sox do.

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      Can’t comment on anything but from Yankees fans perspective, but when are your White Sox fans going to get it through your head that the Sox seems to be chasing us in this potential swap not the other way around.
      This means your not getting Frazier, or Rutherford, as they seem to be the Yankees future.
      Why don’t you guys stop already, Quintana is not the second coming of Cy Young! Nice acquisition to put somebody over the top in pitching but not a #1 starter, but a consistent, keep you in the ballgame type of pitcher who could be big but until he’s in a pressure environment with a team pushing for the top….who really knows?
      The Nats were seduced into giving away the farm for Eaton because they are in win now mode and the Sox made the trade for Sale because of perceived need to cement their charge for the pennant.
      The Yankees situation is totally different. They expect to challenge but not to achieve at least for 2017.

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      • pplama

        8 years ago

        Because it’s been reported that the Yankees offered Frazier, Mateo, Tate and a Lottery arm for Quintana.
        Sox wanted Frazier, Mateo and Andujar.
        I’m sorry you covet your prospects so much. But Sox fans aren’t making this stuff up. NY bloggers and Papers have written dozens of articles on it.

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        • billysbballz

          8 years ago

          That was fake news. Yanks never offered a combo starting with Frazier!
          Fake news!

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      • canocorn

        8 years ago

        Any GM acquiring Jose’ Quintana this year will eventually be lauded for their foresight. If the White Sox are unable to trade him for his full value, they will be lauded for hanging on to him. Assuming good health, JQ looks to be as close as baseball gets to a sure thing.

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  10. texxjp

    8 years ago

    Wow it took all that to let us know nothing has changed with Quintana. Sometimes less said is better

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  11. pplama

    8 years ago

    As a Sox fan it’s very disconcerting to hear the Team Pres. say that He and others “needed this kind of jolt”.
    If you weren’t excited about and dedicated to running an MLB Team before you should have moved on.

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  12. Aj5258

    8 years ago

    I love some of the Braves fans on here. First they complain that the White Sox are all wrong about not really needing middle infielders. They can move their players to different positions to make the Braves a better trade partner because the Braves minor league system is strong at MI. Then they say that any young player they have in their system with upside is off limits. Then we hear that Q isn’t worth much at all.
    True, the Sox can move Moncada and Anderson if the right deal developed but Q is worth much more than a teenager who MAY be able to play in the bigs some day.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      If you think that it is just to make braves’ packages more appealing then you are entirely missing the point. The WS need talent. Period. They shouldn’t turn down good players because they think that they have their MIF duo going forward. This is the case because 1. neither of those two are proven and 2. MIF can play other positions if they have the bat.

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  13. Aj5258

    8 years ago

    I don’t think I missed the point at all. I said that if the right deal came along involving top tier MI talent then of course the Sox would be foolish to pass on it. On the other hand, it seems as if many Braves fans want to make it sound as if their farm system has everything needed to make a deal for Q. I’m not even arguing that point either. My point is that even if you can make a case for the Sox to make a deal with the Braves, as soon as any of their top talent is mentioned they are immediately said to be unavailable. Just another case of a teams fans overvaluing their farm system or not wanting to give up anything of value to get value in return. We can debate all day about Q’s trade value but if a team takes its top players unavailable they can’t expect to get top talent back…..especially top talent that costs so little every year.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      “as soon as any of their top talent is mentioned they are immediately said to be unavailable. ”

      yeah, that part is dumb. But apparently Quintana is an “average” pitcher, despite the fact that he’s been one of the top 10 in baseball for the last 3 years. But braves fans that post here are largely delusional. This is the same fanbase that thought Teheran was worth every teams top prospects, but don’t think Quintana, who is better, is.

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      • bravesfan

        8 years ago

        chesteraarthur trolling at his best. just another day in the office for him

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Since you prefer old-school terms, like pitchers’ wins — please change the record. It’s stuck repeating the same old groove.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          Where is he trolling? According to WAR, Quintana has been one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball for the last 3 years…

          Or are you taking offense to the Teheran comment? Because statistically, Quintana has been better than him… Apparently, team Colombia agreed.

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        • bravesfan

          8 years ago

          “But braves fans that post here are largely delusional’ #trolling. Also, I haven’t seen one comment where braves fans thought teheran was worth more than Quintana. My personal opinion is yes, from an eyeball test Quintana is better than Teheran. I do not consider Teheran an elite pitcher, but I don’t consider Quintana to be either. But at least Teheran can find ways to win with a bad team.

          I will say this, market value at the trade deadline will automatically increase for most solid pitchers. So at last years dealine, the prospect haul the braves were asking for was outrageous, but pretty close to in line to what the market was demanding. He was one of the only good pitchers on the market, and the braves didn’t have a need to get rid of him. Contenders desperately wanted pitching, so the value was stupid high.

          For the White Sox to ask for a kings random for Quintana during the offseason from a team that ultimately doesn’t need him… doesn’t make sense. Heck, you can ask for it from a team that might make the playoffs, but Quintana will prob not be able to provide much for the braves over the next couple years simply because we aren’t that good and I truly think it will still be a couple years before we will be good.

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        • canocorn

          8 years ago

          Bravesfan1 says it doesn’t make sense to ask a king’s ransom for JQ during the offseason — from a team that ultimately doesn’t need him. Bravesfan1 seems to imply that since the Braves feel they don’t ultimately need JQ, they should be offered a lower price. If the Braves were told what the White Sox want for JQ, it was likely in response to an inquiry from the Braves. Don’t take it personally that the asking price wasn’t lowered for you just because you feel you ultimately don’t need the guy.

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  14. coldgoldenfalstaff

    8 years ago

    Astros have 6 starters for 5 jobs right now, Morton has been better than advertised, Musgrove is close to making the team and Fiers is pitching good as well. McHugh has been hurt but still looks to be ready to go.

    Martes was sent down but pitched 3 good innings in a game this week.

    No thanks, we’re not desperate and the White Sox are fishing for deals they should have made in December when three teams were bidding against each other.

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  15. cwsOverhaul

    8 years ago

    Nothing reported for Quintana deal was too overwhelming in light of their great need for everyday players. Closer to deadline probably ideal time when rumored clubs (and others) have a better feel if they are contenders. Maybe Pirates, Yankees or Rockies are clubs that will be better than most of its fans think early on this year where acquiring Q makes better sense than now.

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  16. astros_fan_84

    8 years ago

    I hope an NL team adds Q, then there’s no risk the Astros overpay for him.

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    • bravesfan

      8 years ago

      Someones gonna overpay for him if they go after him. The question will be which team will overpay for him for the right reason? Braves need to steer clear of this. We have no need to go after him and complete reverse the philosophy we have been doing the last couple years. White Sox are doing the same as we are… trying to let go of big time players for a haul of players… so why would we abandon the thought that through process when the curve of our rebuild isn’t necessarily heading upward yet…?

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