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Trade Rumblings: A’s, Prado, Marlins, Verlander, Hand

By Jeff Todd | June 28, 2017 at 2:22pm CDT

Here’s the latest trade chatter from around the league:

  • The Athletics do not feel a need to wait until the deadline to begin moving veterans, sources tell MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand. That may be true even (or especially) in the case of Sonny Gray. While he’s controllable, and doesn’t have to be traded, a rival exec says he thinks Oakland will be interested in dealing him early to avoid a month of injury risk. Possible rentals Yonder Alonso and Jed Lowrie are both said to be on the block as well, unsurprisingly.
  • Other teams beginning to explore sell-side moves, per Feinsand, are the Braves, Marlins, Mets, and Reds. Those clubs are all obvious suspects given their placement in the standings. Atlanta could be an interesting team, though, since the organization seems to be prioritizing improvement in the on-field results and doesn’t have a lot of clearly valuable trade pieces.
  • The Yankees and Red Sox are both looking over the Marlins roster and have asked about a few players, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Both New York and Boston have inquired on veteran third baseman Martin Prado, who is not terribly cheap and has spent a good chunk of the year on the DL. The Yanks are also expressing some interest in Miami first baseman Justin Bour, per the report; he’d offer a quality left-handed bat, though his affordable control will likely come with a fairly high asking price. The Fish are also said to have indicated an openness to dealing “anyone with a multi-year contract,” Nightengale adds. That would obviously free up quite a few intriguing potential trade candidates, including the club’s three quality young outfielders.
  • Rival executives feel that the Tigers will market veteran righty Justin Verlander, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports writes, though Detroit’s intentions (and asking price) remain unclear. He’d be an easy product to pitch were this 2016, when Verlander was in vintage form. But he hasn’t followed that up with any degree of consistency thus far in 2017. Still, the $56MM he’s owed in 2018 and 2019 seems fairly reasonable, and it’s hard to ignore the top-line upside that still seems to reside in Verlander’s powerful right arm.
  • The Padres, meanwhile, are apparently setting their sights high in talks involving southpaw Brad Hand, with one source telling Passan that GM AJ Preller hopes to achieve a return commensurate with that achieved last year by the Yankees for Aroldis Chapman. As Passan notes, that does seem steep — despite the fact that Hand does come with two more years of cheap arb control — but it likely won’t hurt to aim big at this stage of the proceedings.
  • There, are, of course, some other talented relievers available. Two Marlins hurlers are also drawing interest from “multiple teams,” per Passan. AJ Ramos and David Phelps appear to be solid (albeit hardly perfect) late-inning pen options for contenders; indeed, MLBTR ranked them in a tie for 11th in the most recent list of the top fifty trade targets leaguewide. Both hurlers are reasonably expensive ($6.55MM and $4.6MM, respectively), so the salary-conscious Fish may see an opportunity to avoid some obligations. They each also can be controlled for an additional season via arbitration.
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  1. baseball10

    8 years ago

    Braves have been, and continue to be, looking for mlb players with multiple years of cheap control. They would be including prospects in those type of deals. If they sell Phillips, Garcia, etc they would only be looking at mid range prospects in return

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    • jayceincase

      8 years ago

      The John Hart Cleveland Indians formula!

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    • bravesfan

      8 years ago

      I agree with you baseball10. I don’t think Phillips or Garcia will bring much in return, But how our pitching looks in the minors, and our potential 2b replacements in the minors, I’m ok with mid range prospects in return for those guys. and we absolutely should trade them and get what we can for them. Thing is, you never know when one of those mid range prospects turn into really strong baseball players or solid extras for bigger trades later. I would pull the trigger asap.

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  2. BlueSkyLA

    8 years ago

    It’s difficult to see a strong market for Verlander. Any potentially interested team would be a contender needing him to be his old self right now (which he is not), rather than possibly regaining that form later. This another one of those times when the concept of upside isn’t very useful for predicting what might happen.

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  3. Dianagram 2

    8 years ago

    $56 million for ’18 and ’19 is fairly reasonable for Verlander????

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    • Rezonator

      8 years ago

      I was about to mention that exact line. In what way does that even approach being reasonable? Haha, wow.

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      • alwaysaTiger

        8 years ago

        Verlander was runner up for cy young last year. Why isn’t he worthe it?

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          Not saying that he isn’t but age, injuries, BB rise, ERA, FIP, WHIP are a huge gamble especially if you’re a team in need for a second piece.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Because teams that trade for him want to pay him for what he’s going to do, not for what he’s done.

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        • Bdd1967

          8 years ago

          Amen to that Blue…he’s on the downslide of his career. No way is he worth $56 mil for two years. That kind of money is hard to wrap your head around for someone that plays once every 5 days.

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        • DS1

          8 years ago

          Yes, but he’s a great guy to invite to pool parties!

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        • jayceincase

          8 years ago

          He isn’t worth the money, but he is (just) 34 and the commitment is only two years for team that needs pitching now. If he was suddenly following Kershaw or Scherzer in the rotation how can anybody say he wouldn’t be a big pickup? Salary be damned. In the NL, and a shorter rotation for the playoffs. I’d go to war with Kershaw, Wood and Verlander all day game and night game long.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          8 years ago

          Because you’re simply playing the name game and assuming his performance will trend upward even though he is at an age where things trend downward, especially as a pitcher with his workload. Could he bounce back? Sure I have no doubt. Could his command improve along with his performance in this next month? Sure, I have no doubt he could. The problem? The main problem is he simply hasn’t yet. The second problem if you’re the Dodgers is you’ve just completely hamstrung yourself, in prospects and payroll flexibility. Well now he better be that missing piece for a WS. If not forget just the money and prospects, but you just wasted another year of Kersh and what has been an absolute career year to this point for Wood. But this isn’t vintage 2016 JV. So sure money be damned, but let’s not be naive in thinking it’s not a factor. Especially for as you said (just 34). You’re already essentially chalking up the last year or 19′ as a team eating the salary, but let’s not pretend he’s found the fountain of youth. In the end he’s big pick up if he gets on a roll and starts pitching like JV can. He’s not a big pickup if he continues to put up numbers like he has.

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  4. zachw

    8 years ago

    I’ve been thinking for the last few weeks that Verlander would be an interesting target for the Dodgers. Sonny Gray has been too concerning the last two seasons, Archer probably won’t be available, and the Dodgers don’t need another lefty like Quintana. Many have speculated that the Dodgers possibly making a run at J.D. Martinez but I think they can address the rotation help in the same trade if they go that route.

    Something along the lines of J.D. Martinez, Justin Verlander (’17-’19 @ $28M w/ $22M vest), and cash for Yadier Alvarez (LAD #1, MLB #40), Alex Verdugo (#2, #51) and Willie Calhoun (#3, #70).

    From what I’ve been reading, Yadier needs to be stretched out more before he can start or will become a future strong bullpen piece and Calhoun will be better suited for the AL at DH. Verdugo will be missed but with Joc, Bellinger and Toles next year plus, the Dodgers don’t necessarily need another LH OF. The Dodgers also have another Top 100 OF in Diaz already in the pipeline and they can always re-sign Martinez to address the future ST needs of the club.

    Having a playoff/down=the=stretch rotation of: Kershaw, Verlander, Alex Wood and (hopefully a strike-throwing) Rich Hill would be exciting, as well as adding a RH power bat to the Dodger line=up that has struggled against lefty starters in the past.

    The only flaw major I see is that the Dodgers will then again be committed to a lengthy deal with another SP. McCarthy, Ryu, Maeda, Hill and Kazmir are all signed for at least a few more years, and, outside of possibily Maeda’s $3.125M per plus incentives through 2023, none of the other contracts are overly desirable. So maybe instead of sending cash with Verlander’s contract, they take Kazmir instead?.

    All I know is that I wasn’t old enough to remember the last time the Dodgers were in a WS and, with the current play of the Dodgers, there’s a legitimate shot at it this year. I would just be much more optimistic of their chances with an Ace2 in the rotation rather than being concerned with needing to go to Kershaw again on short rest.

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      I don’t disagree with you’re assessments I do find some flaws. I’m not sure that JD is more of a need than Wilson is. They are going to need to take this down to the wire to be honest and I’m not sure Det would be willing to wait. They need to take it down to the wire to judge the potential continued performance of Puig, whether Thompson has truly shaken off the rust, and quite frankly the health of Gonzo. They’d also need to shed themselves of a Ryu and a Kaz type contract. If they can’t I can’t see them lining up. Management has wanted to get under the threshold for some time now. That 28M sticks as a somewhat immovable sore thumb one you make that trade.

      With all that said I think the Tigers would find more value in Rios being the third piece than Calhoun. But if you’re the Dodgers and your making this pretty significant move JV would have to show you more than what he has so far and they’d probably want a yes to waiving his NTC before they get that far down the road.

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    • jimmyz

      8 years ago

      Dodgers should go after Gerrit Cole. He’s due a big raise in arbitration this off-season but only around 4.5 million this season and he’s still controllable via arb through 2019. Kershaw-Cole-Wood would be even scarier than Verlander in a playoff series. Not to mention having grown up in LA and playing at UCLA, I’d assume he’d be very open to a long term deal.

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        Cole hasn’t been particularly good this year, though. Decent, but certainly not the ace he’s supposed to be.

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  5. padreforlife

    8 years ago

    Benoit-Arrow-Heath Bell all closers who looked good with Padres then spit bit when traded. Brad Hand is not bringing back boatload something but not boatload

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    • RunDMC

      8 years ago

      When is Phil Maton getting a shot to save games? In a small sample size, he’s looked incredible.

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      • padreforlife

        8 years ago

        September

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      Oh but he will. Look what Will Smith got the Brewers last year. Is Hand any worse?

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      • CobiEven

        8 years ago

        Will Smith has a way better sample size and track record than Hand.

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    • I Believe We Can Win

      8 years ago

      Well Trevor Hoffman did fine for the brew crew after being let go. Nick Vincent Brad Brach Mike Adams Brad Boxberger before injury Huston Street before injury Kimbrel Luke Gregerson

      You got 3 I have 8. Every bad example you can find 2 good example that did something after their time with the padres.

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      • bleacherbum

        8 years ago

        Frieri was good with the Angels as their closer for a bit so you actually have 3 good examples to ever 1 of his now.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          They both didn’t close meaningful games. When was last Padre relief to move on pitching in high pressure games?

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Huston Street was traded to the team that had the best record in the AL that year you braindead monkey

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          U can’t read very well and not very smart Street. Street pitched 3 innings 2014 with no saves while his team got swept good try. You should lose name calling and try reading

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          He was fantastic down the stretch for the Angels and converted their bullpen from one of the worst to one of the best. He can’t control the fact that the offense gave him no save opportunities in the ALDS.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Huston Street is ex closer you’re hanging hat on ha traded traded for Trevor Gott and Taylor Lindsey guys still playing. You sound like another numbskull Padre fan

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Ok Street did ok but rest NI. Rather have Street in big game then future HOF Hoffman who was awful in big games.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          So you just contradicted yourself

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        • Jeff Todd

          8 years ago

          I deleted your other comment, which violates the commenting policy. Name-calling is childish. Please stop.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Yes I did Street was ok. Wow

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          And you still haven’t told us what significant trades should have been made last offseason but weren’t. Answer me that or admit Preller can trade with whoever he wants.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Who cares move on

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Preller is horrendous enough said

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          I’m not going to move on. If you’re going to cite a lack of significant trades made by Preller as evidence that no one wants to trade with him, you have to include significant trades that you think he SHOULD have made for that argument to work. It’s okay, you’re allowed to be wrong.

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  6. Rishi

    8 years ago

    I disagree that the braves have no clearly valuable trade chips. This team got a pretty good prospect from texas last year for Lucas Harrell and Dario Alvarez and this year brandon phillips matt kemp nick markakis matt adams and jaime garcia are all more than viable trade candidates which could possibly be packaged together or have a reliever thrown in to get a good deal done. This team has sell written all over it and it would make their farm system that much stronger but they are performing decently enough that they may sell and buy or something like that. But phillips on a one year deal and adams hitting lots of homers and about to have nowhere to play and you say they dont have a lot of valuavle trade pieces . kemp would be a great add for an al team or a team weak in left field. They have no chris archer but is that the standard by which we are judging when we say “clearly valuable” . As the yankees or someone might not want a guy like adams who is hitting homers left and right.its silly.maybe just semantics.idk.i dont get it.

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    • BravesNomad

      8 years ago

      You must have missed the report FF5 moving to 3b so Adams could stay at 1B. If Freddie just plays average defense there for the rest of the yr, Adams won’t be moved until at least the offseason. I agree though with most of the rest of your assessment.

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      • Rishi

        8 years ago

        I didnt miss the news im just not buying that its going to happen. Thanks.

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        • Rishi

          8 years ago

          I also believe they may be trying to hype up that they want to keep adams so they dont seem to be in the position that they have to let him go and a team can hold it against them in trade talks because hes just a bench bat for them.conspiracy theory for the day.

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        • RunDMC

          8 years ago

          This is not fake news. FF will play 3B.

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      • tharrie0820

        8 years ago

        They haven’t said they are. Freeman said he would be open to it

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        • petfoodfella

          8 years ago

          It’s all but a formality now. He’s 100% invested in 3b. I think they keep Adams. If Freeman is halfway decent at 3B, they have two power bats with the potential to keep Adams unless he gets a huge $$ contract.

          I don’t really agree w/ it, but Atlanta didn’t seem to ask me this year.

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      • biasisrelitive

        8 years ago

        if he plays adverage defense there lol you say that like it’s not a Longshot to happen

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      No one regards Matt Kemp as a positive value piece in a trade.

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      No one will trade for Matt kemp

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        He would be the closer
        But, then he wouldn’t get in the game as much

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      • padreforlife

        8 years ago

        Call Preller

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    • bravesfan

      8 years ago

      Rishi is absolutely right. I think the braves have valuable trade chips as well. In fact everyone they mention are good ball players that should bring back a decent return. Sure, not high in prospects… but what a great point about Harrell and Alvarez….. If we even got that kind of return for these guys, we would be more than happy. Contenders tend to overpay for these type of players… rentals that are having solid years and can provide immediate short term value. I think Adams, maybe Garcia can bring in better returns… Matt Kemp should bring in a ton, but his contract is prob wont devalues him… so it will prob fall more along the lines of the rest.

      I don’t see Kemp being dealt… be surprised if Markakis is as well. Garica, and Adams I would be shocked if they aren’t moved. I wouldn’t be surprised if an attempt is made with Phillips… but don’t forget Jim Johnson… I think he might get dealt as well.. Maybe even good ole Kurt… again… for nothing crazy. .

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  7. yankees25

    8 years ago

    Padres are goofin’

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  8. yankees25

    8 years ago

    Yankees should seriously look at pitching help with their recent struggles

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  9. schwing

    8 years ago

    If the twins were to trade for Hand, I could see them giving up maybe 2 prospects such as Daniel palka and Engelb vielma.Not to much though considering he’s not a closer. Would fill a big need for them even though we will probably stand Pat at the deadline.

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    • Herc33

      8 years ago

      Couple things here about hand:
      1) I don’t understand why his value is discounted because he’s not a closer. He’s going to be somewhere between 2.5 to 3 war LHP this year… that is serious value out of the pen.
      2) I’m not saying he’s Andrew Miller because Miller is a little better than him, but he is sort of a light version of Miller in that Hand can throw multiple innings and throw basically everyday, Dude has a rubber arm.
      3) Are those prospects even in the Twins top 20? So in SD’s system they would become like the 50th best prospects? Nice! There is no way the Padres would take 2 fringy prospects like that for an elite reliever.

      The Will Smith deal from last year is likely what it takes to get Hand.

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        Andrew Miller is not “a little better than” Brad Hand. Brad Hand is like the 2012/2013 version of Andrew Miller. The Andrew Miller from 2014 on is light years ahead of Brad Hand talent/value-wise.

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        • Herc33

          8 years ago

          I was comparing their usage more than talent. Hand threw 90 innings last year and has the ability to go multiple innings which could be a weapon in the playoffs like it was with Miller.

          I agree Miller is definitely a better player but for the sake of argument he’s not light years better. In Win Probability Added for pitchers Miller ranks 8th and Hand ranks 21st. Miller is elite, Hand is very good.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          And half a year of that version of miller netted the sox a top 100 prospect in eduardo rodriguez.

          So Hand clearly should command more than that.

          What the OP is suggesting wont be enough for Hand.

          Preller doesnt have to trade hand. Preller didnt like mateo for kimbrel gyorko and cash so he waited and got better deals.

          Kimbrel for guerra margot allen asjuae and gyorko for jay and had jay not broken his hand hed have netted some prospects for jay last year.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          Eduardo Rodriguez was a mid-to-backend top 100 guy entering 2014, and he was struggling in AA when he was traded. I’m sure a team in need of bullpen help would happily part with a player like that.

          That’s clearly not going to be enough for Hand, but it’ll be closer to that than it will be to Robles.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Doubt the padres want robles. They might start it there and work down to their targes but doubt they think theyll get robles unless its literally a 1-1 swap, but given how espinoza has turned out preller might be seeking multiple pieces which robles wouldnt be included in a multiple piece swap.

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        • CobiEven

          8 years ago

          Hand is no where close to Miller stats wise. You base this off just contract length left. Padres fans are the worse.

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        Hand would be closer but he wouldn’t pitch as much

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      • padreforlife

        8 years ago

        Elite?

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    • I Believe We Can Win

      8 years ago

      Palka is the 13th best and vielma is the 29th according to mlb……you can enjoy watching hand pitch elsewhere cause that isnt enough.

      Minimum is 1 for 1 swap of hand for gordon or hand for gonsalves and blackenhorn or felix jorge.

      Other teams will blow minnesota out of the water if thats what the twins offer.

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      • schwing

        8 years ago

        Obviously I don’t think anything is concrete with who they would offer for Hand. That’s why I said “such as” mentioned players. I do have confidence in the twins that they WON’T trade one of their top SP (Romero, Jorge,Gonsalves) for a relief pitcher. Is there wiggle room for other prospects? Of course. Blankenhorn, Palacios, Granite will be on the table if they are serious about upgrading the bullpen.

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  10. thunder12k

    8 years ago

    I think Duda makes a lot of sense for the Yankees if Bird or Austin don’t deliver over the next few weeks

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    • RunDMC

      8 years ago

      Put the baby to bed and go ahead and pay for quality innings in Justin Bour. You need more reliability than Duda.

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      • thunder12k

        8 years ago

        Bour has only played over 100 games once in his career. He’s not exactly Mr. Reliable. Bour and Duda are similar players but Bour is 2 years younger, has more control and is cheaper. Duda would be a pure rental and cost much less.

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  11. therealryan

    8 years ago

    I don’t think the Fish should trade Yelich, but if they are serious I would love to see the Rays make a push for him. I’m cool with an OF of Yelich, Kiermaier and Souza as the starters and Dickerson as the 4th/DH for the next 2.5 years.

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    • biasisrelitive

      8 years ago

      it would cost almost your entire farm tho. are you good with that?

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      • therealryan

        8 years ago

        Why would he cost the entire farm? We just saw a very similar valued player traded last offseason in the Nationals trade for Adam Eaton, and at the time many here considered what the Nationals gave up to be a huge overpay. Eaton returned two MLB ready 55 FV SP and a far away FV 50 SP. The Rays could match that offer and still have multiple top 100 prospects left over.

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  12. formerlyz

    8 years ago

    As a Marlins fan, I’ve been talking about moving everyone not named Yelich. Realmuto, or Stanton for a long time now. I’d start with Ramos, then see what I can get for Barraclough, and Phelps and Wittgren should be moved as well. Actually, include Dustin McGowan there too. If they get anything back for those relievers, which they shpuld, that’s a decent start. Marlins only actual depth in the organization is with relievers, and they aren’t going to do much this year anyway. Those guys should get moved…

    How about the Marlins send over Bour, Straily, and eat 3 million per year on Prado’s deal (assuming his contract is an issue) to Boston….3 fixes in 1. maybe something like Bour, Prado (plus the 3 million per), and Straily to the Red Sox for Sam Travis, Josh Ockimey, Shaun Anderson, Bryan Mata, and Jaylen Beeks? Not like the Red Sox give up too much besides Travis. As a Red Sox fan as well, I’d do that deal. Only thing I’d worry about is Straily at Fenway, but he did ok in Cincinnati, despite the peripherals, which are a little better this year

    Ozuna, Volquez, Ziegler (if his arm is still attached after so many appearances and poor use by Mattingly) should also be moved. Ziegler hasn’t given up much outside of May, so I expect him to still have some value b/c he still gets GBs at a really high rate…I’d also try Dee Gordon at SS for a bit, considering we don’t have a SS right now anyway. If he does decently, maybe his value goes up slightly and someone will actually want to trade for him. He definitely needs to go too. If Koehler comes back off the DL and pitches the way he is capable of, they can move him somewhere as well. I’m sure a 4-5 SP could be of some use to someone, although not for much back

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  13. SixFlagsMagicPadres

    8 years ago

    The Padres are definitely setting their sights high if they’re looking for a Chapman-type return for Hand. I guess it depends on who inquires about him. Maybe a team like the Nationals would be willing trade partners.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      A Chapman-type return from the Nats would have to include Robles. I highly doubt that’s happening for Brad Hand. Not even the Nats will be that desperate.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Fine. They can get bounced in the first round again.
        Anyway, I don’t see what use the Padres have for more outfielders. I’d rather they target young starting pitching or shortstops in a Hand trade.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          1) Every team has a use for an outfielder as talented as Robles.
          2) Hand is far from the only option for the Nats.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Those other options won’t be any cheaper and might not be as good.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          If the Padres are realistically seeking a Chapman-type return (aka Robles – which is ridiculous), then yes, those other options will be cheaper.

          And you’re right, they may not be as good. But they could also be better… It’s not like we’re talking about one of the most dominant relievers in the game, which Chapman/Miller were/are. I’m sure the Nats would happily settle on a potentially slightly lesser option if it means keeping Robles.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Padres dont want robles. They have enough OF options. Renfoe Margot Cordero Gettys Ona Reed and just drafted house.

          If they want a chapman type return itll look like Fedde, Kieboom, Watson, and Read.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          The Padres don’t want one of the best prospects in the game? Good to know. Seems like a well run organization.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          What they going to do with 1 prospect at a position they have a surplus of?

          If the padres acquire robles itll be just robles. You seem completely unaware of that fact Priggs. Padres wont be getting anything else if they get robles.

          Right now padres need a ss for the future. Unless they can flip robles in a 3 team deal to acquire a ss to develop or who is mlb ready but blocked, robles doesnt make sense.

          Kieboom and Fedde make more sense for the padres than robles does. Padres dont need quality at this point they need quantity. If sacrificing a bit of quality means you get more from the deal padres should take it.

          Rather have fedde kieboom watson and read than just robles

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          “What they going to do with 1 prospect at a position they have a surplus of?”

          Start him in the minors and bring him up to the bigs probably the end of next year when he’s ready? Not one of the guys that has been mentioned is as talented as Robles.

          “If the padres acquire robles itll be just robles. You seem completely unaware of that fact Priggs. Padres wont be getting anything else if they get robles.”

          I am completely aware that they won’t be getting more than Robles. Mainly because I’m completely aware that they aren’t getting a prospect anywhere near as good as Robles in a Hand trade, so it’s not something you’ll have to worry about.

          “Right now padres need a ss for the future.”

          No. Right now, the Padres need to stockpile as much high end talent as possible and hope they hit on a bunch of those guys.

          “Rather have fedde kieboom watson and read than just robles”

          Guess it doesn’t hurt to dream. Good luck with that.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          You named five players who have never played a game in the majors. There’s no such thing as a prospect surplus. Prospects break. All the time. Here are the Padres top-10 prospects from 5 years ago: Alonso, Grandal, Liriano, Gyorko, Erlin, Wieland, Sampson, Casey Kelly, Spangenberg, Darnell.

          So that’s four major leaguers. The other six never did anything. You can’t have too many prospects.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          1. Between recent trades, drafts, IFA periods padres have stockpiled plenty of talent. Here’s what the padres have filled for the foreseeable future.
          1B- Myers
          2B- Asjuae/Spangenberg
          SS- need
          3B- Spangenberg/need
          RF- Renfoe
          CF- Margot
          LF- Dickerson/Cordero
          C- Hedge
          P- Major need

          All are controlled through 2020.
          They have 1B, 2B, 3B talent working through the minors and OF talent as well.

          Padres need a ss come 2019/2020 who’s ready. Whether that be an mlb ready ss or a guy projected to be ready by 2019/2020

          2. Again 1-1 swap isnt something the padres should do with hand. They did that with pomeranz and hasnt worked well for them.

          3. You still seem very misinformed and uneducated priggs. You keep harping on robles despite many padre fans saying robles isnt who the padres should be looking at and we have a need for pitching and ss more so that OF.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Myers so not worth 83 mil extension. 5 homers this year at Petco what 4 months.
          Whopping 14 driven in. He’s on pace to strike out 200 times and couldn’t hit good pitching if life depended on it.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          You’re right. We should just trade Cal Quantrill and MacKenzie Gore before they flame out shouldn’t we?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      One should always open with a weak offer. Obviously Chapman is better but he WAS a rental while Hand is not.

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      • Padres2019ha

        8 years ago

        thank you! Hand has 2 more years of control and is cheap. Throw in Maurer to get Robles and another prospect

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          No one wants Brandon Maurer XD

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      • SixFlagsMagicPadres

        8 years ago

        Robles would be good if the Nationals were to be involved in trade talk. But like you said in your other post, Preller is probably going to want to target young pitching as well.

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        • jacknbd

          8 years ago

          I think preller would prefer pitching or ss prospects but would take great value (Robles) if offered to him. I’m interested to see what return hand brings

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      • tharrie0820

        8 years ago

        Chapman was also light years ahead talent wise

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  14. rycm131

    8 years ago

    Eloy Jimenez and a low level
    Pitcher for Gray?

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    • bronxbombers

      8 years ago

      Not even close

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      • A'sfaninUK

        8 years ago

        Jimenez, Cease, Almora & La Stella for Gray is about market value. TLS is a huge upgrade over Rosales and Almora is better than Rajai, so they might improve this season, and add 2 morw key prospects.

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        • therealryan

          8 years ago

          That might have been the expected package if you traded him after 2015, but I can’t imagine a scenario where 2.5 years of recently injured Gray returns that much back now. That package is similar to the price the Red Sox paid for Sale and would be more like an expected package for Quintana or Archer. Unless you think a market value trade of Archer to the Cubs is Jimenez, Happ, Cease, De La Cruz, Candelario, Almora, Young and La Stella.

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      • rycm131

        8 years ago

        Your high

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          His high what?

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    • Teddyballgame13

      8 years ago

      No thanks, i wouldn’t part with Eloy straight up for Gray and i want Gray as a Cubs fan. Lackey has been close to terrible. Too many injury concerns for me.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        8 years ago

        You understand good players cost your best prospects right? Like how you traded Shark for Addison Russell, a consensus top 10 prospect? Its how the market works, what “you” want doesnt matter.

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      • rycm131

        8 years ago

        I’m an A’s fan and I agree. This isn’t Sonny Gray of three years ago

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  15. bleacherbum

    8 years ago

    Milwaukee is the team that San Diego should covet if they come to them interested in Hand. They have realistic pieces that San Diego could use and not to mention Knebel, Barnes and Hand would be nasty coming out of the pen late in ball games down the stretch.

    I think Hand for Isan Diaz and Phil Bickford is a realistic deal that works for both clubs. Hand comes with 2 plus years of control, Diaz is moveable because Arcia is entrenched at SS for the future and Bickford is the cherry on top, I mean they got him for Wil Smith and are giving him up for Brad Hand, so in essence they are giving up a player to get someone who was better than they had because Hand > Smith, even when he is healthy.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      Diaz is a good starting point but Bickford’s stock has TANKED since the Brewers acquired him. Rather Preller shoot for something else as the secondary piece.

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    • SixFlagsMagicPadres

      8 years ago

      I like the idea of the Brewers as trade partners, but like Ryan said, Bickford has lost a lot of value. Still, I’m sure they could get at least two good prospects for him.

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  16. GarryHarris

    8 years ago

    The Dodgers are doing just fine without Justin Verlander. However, its the post season that they have a history of underachieving in. That’s where Justin Verlander could make a difference.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      How’d he do in the 2012 World Series?

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      • GarryHarris

        8 years ago

        Justin Verlander’s post season statistics are better than Clayton Kershaw’s.

        The Tigers biggest need is to dump salary. It wouldn’t cost the Dodgers as much as it would for them to acquire a lesser pitcher from a different team.

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  17. Teddyballgame13

    8 years ago

    Candelerio and Happ could be a starting convo piece for Gray.

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  18. A'sfaninUK

    8 years ago

    Yeah if they A’s got any 4 of Candelerio, Happ, Cease, Jimenez, La Stella and Almora they’d give up Sonny for sure.

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  19. tigerdoc616

    8 years ago

    I love this time of year, where nothing more than rampant speculation and guesses by rival GM’s gets reported as news. Tigers will trade Verlander if and only if the return is significant. He moves the turnstiles in Detroit and unless Chris Ilitch does and about face and orders significant payroll dump (all he has committed to is not paying CBT tax 3 years in a row) then the Tigers will want significant value in return for him. Will take 2-3 very good prospects, one at least MLB ready, to get the Tigers to part with him. I am sure Al Avila was honest in stating he was willing to listen to offers. But listening and actively seeking a deal are two different things.

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