1:30pm: There hasn’t been much progress in talks between the Rangers and Cubs, Morosi tweets. While the Cubs continue to have interest in Darvish, they’d still prefer to add a starter who is controlled beyond just this season.
9:18am: The Cubs have checked in with the Rangers about Yu Darvish, according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi. Earlier today, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reported that Texas was open to at least discussing its ace with other teams, even if a trade doesn’t seem imminent.
Given that Chicago has been so aggressively pursuing starting pitching this summer, it isn’t any surprise that Theo Epstein and company have looked into Darvish. Even after landing Jose Quintana in a blockbuster deal with the White Sox, the Cubs have continued to seek out arms, asking about such names as Chris Archer, Marcus Stroman, and (perhaps most seriously) Sonny Gray. The Cubs were still interested in Gray as of last night, Morosi reports.
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A Darvish trade, however, would represent a shift in Chicago’s thinking. The Cubs have been looking into controllable pitchers that can sustain the rotation over the long term since Jake Arrieta and John Lackey will be free agents this winter. Darvish is a free agent himself in the offseason, so he would be a pure rental for the Cubs. After already surrendering several top prospects in the deals for Quintana and for Aroldis Chapman last July, the Cubs are likely wary about giving up even more top minor leaguers for just two-plus months of Darvish’s services. Then again, since Darvish would clearly be the best rental pitcher on the market, the Cubs may be willing to take the plunge in this specific case in order to emerge from the crowded NL Central race and take a run at another world championship.
With Darvish’s short-term status in mind, it is possible that a Rangers/Cubs deal could expand to more than just the star right-hander. For instance, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News “would not be surprised” if Jonathan Lucroy also became involved in trade talks between the two clubs, as the Cubs have been looking for a catching upgrade since parting ways with Miguel Montero.
I don’t think the Cubs have any blue chip prospects left. Do they?
Nope
Exactly. So when you see all these “Cubs looking at “, it’s laughable. Unless they’re using Javy, Happ, or Schwarber they ain’t getting anyone else.
as a cubs fan….we have nothing to give for darvish that wont be matched…javy happ or schwarber might be used in a controllable starter deal but i cant see them going for a rental
Schwarbers the trade chip. Epstein knows he’s not going to be as good as first thought.
Imo, they could get an offer for Yu Darvish together that wasn’t laughable, but something tells me that it would probably be topped in this marketplace with relative ease. They don’t really have the ‘2015 Danny Norris’ /’2010 Justin Smoak’ type to really headline a deal anymore.
Well, the other GMs have eyes too. 😉
Any GM that asks for Baez will result with an immediate dial tone. Schwarber is the only trade piece on the 25 roster. It could be Schwarber and 2 or 3 mid level prospects that could get anyone of those pitchers. Gray,Archer , Stroman etc.
My take?
The Cubs are “in” on about anyone that might be able to help them win a game in the next three and a half months.
While they lack the top-end trade talent, they have players starting at plenty of levels that are “better than” players in some other pipelines. (Matt Rose and Bryant Flete, the other guys in the Quintana trade, were immediately added to the top of the Winston-Salem order. And others getting starters minutes were released.)
This “depth” will never play on a prospect list. It shouldn’t. However, the Cubs have guys in their system in quite a few spots better than the average guy.
Therefore, motivated sellers are willing to talk to Theo Epstein, who lost Justin Bour in the _minor league portion_ of the Rule 5 Draft.
Those types won’t get Darvish. However, with available pieces in a deep system, teams are willing to inquire.,
Glad you got the inside information from your friend Theo.
Oh yeah. Teams are calling the Cubs non stop to deal their ACE for a 1 tool player that is gitting .170 lmao
@Wrek305, I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Right now, the Cubs have Zobrist, Baez and Happ who can all play second. Baez could be a starting 2B for just about any team, which means you have to either sit Zobrist and/or Happ, or play them both in the OF and sit both Schwarber and Heyward. And if you play Baez at SS to play either Zo or Happ at 2B, you have to sit Russell, and you would still have to sit one of Zo/Happ, Schwarber or Heyward.
Bottom line: Baez will be made available for the right offer, because the Cubs have too many starters for too few positions. They’d love to trade Schwarber to an AL tream, but he’s undermined his value with his subpar play this year. So it’s either, trade Baez or Happ, or find a way to sit two starting-quality guys every night.
Won’t be matched? I’ll give you that anything we offer could be topped, but that doesn’t mean it will be. Darkish is still just coming off TJ surgery and has just a half season left on his deal. Is a team willing to give away a blue chip for him? I think Cueto had fewer red flags and was acquired for a package that didn’t include a blue chipper.
Wow, so schwarber is a .170 hitter ? No way he can turn it around? Schwarber at bats are getting better. When smoke clears I think he is a .260 40 hr guy . You may be lmao but their are scouts /GM that still want him
Schwarber is more than a 1 tool player. He has power, hits to all fields. One off year doesn’t make him he’s pretty good on defense. He only has.only 2 errors this year. And 5 his whole career. Given enough time he’ll hit for average. Hes.more a 3 tool player. Anyone who can blow out their need in April comeback in the world series have have straight steal against a pretty decent catcher in roberto Perez aka Russell Martin’s doppleganger is impressive.
@Wrek305, sure, I agree that Schwarber is almost certainly a better player than he is showing right now, but unfortunately, his numbers are what they are and the market is happening right now, so other teams are going to try to get the Cubs to undervalue Schwarber based on that. That’s what I mean when I say Schwarber’s poor results have hurt his value on the market. If he were .300/.400/.550 right now it would be super easy to trade him for a top controlled pitcher straight up, but at .176/.299/.396 and 83 wRC+, they will be hard pressed to get top talent in return without packaging other players with him. That’s the reality of trade markets.
Yea right.
Sorry LMFAO hahahahaha. Cubbie thinking. Good luck
Wrong…
Schwab had an excellent bat and thus they wanted him in the line-up. Saying he’s “pretty good on defense” is a horrid distortion in reality. They shuffled him around trying to find a place to hide him. One scouting report said “Schwarber’s outfield defense causes a roller coaster of emotions”. Siting a stolen base off of Roberto Perez isn’t a smart reference either. The pitcher didn’t pay any attention to him, he was half-way to 2nd before he eve released the pitch and C Perez didn’t bother to even attempt to throw him off. Relax.
He needs to go to the AL to be a DH dude.
Agree, Mikel. Anyone that thinks Schwarber isn’t good, or has already sold him down the river, simply isn’t a baseball man.
They’re a casual fan. You don’t go dealing top players in your system — who have proven to be consistent hitters throughout their entire existence — simply because they have a 3 month slump. The entire concept is beyond laughable.
I swear, these “deal Schwarber” guys are a joke. The guy is already hitting much better since he has been called up. He’s at .250, for his last 30 games.
The guy is here to stay, and is getting back to normal. Give it up, Sunday fans.
Disagree wholly.
Oh yes I bet they are calling for Schwarber. You see no one but you thinks he is a .170 hitter. You see sometimes young hitters struggle. I bet Chitown thought Rizzo sucked when he hit .140 for the Padres? Oh yes Theo called anyway and picked him up! Yea go laugh Chitown311. You are typical short sighted no knowledge fan. So does Addison Russell stink too? Guess what every team including the White Sox would be calling on him if he was available
Thanks Johnny Superscout
Ok, all that commentary = nothing. Brevity son, brevity
Lol. Exactly
Noooope.
It’s not always about Blue Chip prospects. Josh Donaldson, for example, was not considered a “blue chip prospect,” but he was the cornerstone of the Rich Harden trade.
This being said, if somebody like the Yankees or Astros are in on him, The Cubs probably have no chance in that bidding war. But if not, a package centered around, say, Caratini, Alzolay, and Paredes or Ademan, along with enough financial incentive, could be enticing.
But are the Yanks or Astros willing to deal a blue chip prospect for a rental coming off TJ?
For the best pitcher on the market? No thanks.
He was also a catcher when that trade happened. It’s not really a secret jim Hendry is one of the worst gms of all time. Trade archer and Brandon guyer plus 3 others that didnt make the show. For Matt Garza who was decent for the cubs like Samardzija he was never an ace the cubs claimed him to be. Luckily the cubs prevailed and now have the 2nd best 3rd baseman in baseball who can also play 1st and all 3 OF spots.
If we had a Torres trade him for another World Series. Darvish would be amazing . Lester Hendricks Quintana darvish Arietta.
Does anyone think if the trade goes through that darvish and or lucroy would sign extensions
Darvish no, Lucroy most likely no, but slightly more likely than darvish
Not even the slightest chance that that happens
seems like cubs is going for PS this year
The Cubs may not have any blue chips minor leaguers anymore but that’s partially because most of the blue chips are in the big leagues now Schwarber, Happ, Almora, Baez, etc. These are all young controllable pieces that could theoretically be dealt from a position of strength within the organization.
They have a lot of good pitching coming up through the minors now, plus their haul from the 2015 IFA class is making its way up & showing promise. They lack players in the upper minors, but they have plenty of talent left in the A ball
I’m curios who you think is a really good arm in the minors? Serious question as I’d like to know because I can think of one or two in AA or lower and that may be it.
Oscar de la Cruz & Jose Albertos have TOR upside. They have several MOR arms in Little, Lange, Hatch, Alzolay, Rucker, Clifton are all showing promise they are just 2-3 yrs away.
Cubs? Dela Cruz ,alzolay, hatch , underwood
Alzolay and Jen-Ho Tseng are solid under the radar arms. Tseng is just 22 and just got called up to AAA. The Cubs love Hatch, I’d be shocked if they ever moved him.
Imho, only Alzolay has top of the rotation talent.
The Cubs – and, rightfully so – have gotten a lot of praise for the kids that has come through their system in the last few years. That doesn’t automatically mean that the next guys on their list are “stars-in-waiting”.
Between the guys that have already come up and the boatload of talent they’ve given up in the last two years, I think the cupboard is pretty bare.
Candelario, for instance, is a corner infielder with no pop, and a lifetime average in the minors under .270. If he were in, say, Oakland’s system, he’s a mid-level prospect. But because he’s in Chicago, he’s a Top 100 guy.
In short… No he isn’t.
If Rangers go into a full blown sell mode as I hope they do, wouldn’t Hamels make more sense for the Cubs? Darvish a better fit with Dodgers philosophy?
Hamels has a 4.85 FIP and only 5 K/9. And he’s making $20+ mil next year. I’d rather rent Darvish and try to resign him.
Lucroy doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. The Cubs aren’t looking for a “catching upgrade.” They’re looking for a veteran backup catcher upgrade. I don’t see Lucroy being happy with that role.
His numbers right now are misleading I think. He wasn’t right since spring training and then went on the DL and has looked a lot more like himself
The Cubs can ask, but the Rangers can tell em no- they don’t have any prospects left of real value. Kind of a non-starter.
Yeah, Lucroy and Darvish to the Cubs for…bubkus. Good trade for both teams.
They don’t have something even more valuable than prospects though… Good, young kids with major league experience
“Yu” got to be kidding me!?!
I’d do Oscar de la Cruz, Zagunis, & Candelario for Darvish & Profar. Lucroy ran his mouth shortly after Montero was released about his framing being poor bc the pitchers weren’t as good. He’s also not going to be happy about Contreras getting the main starts. If he’s a throw in for salary relief then OK, but I wouldn’t add any useful prospects for him
You HAVE to be a Cubs fan with that offer.
really. I figured the other way around. the cubs top 3 prospects for a rental pitcher and a util with 0 value anymore.
Rangers fans still hold that Profar has immense value.
They might be the only ones.
I could see why he’d be an interesting upside play based on prospect pedigree & versatility, but 2013 wasn’t exactly yesterday.
I wasn’t even considering Profar. Besides if he has 0 value, why would the Cubs want him?
As far as the rental pitcher goes, comparative deals would be Johnny Cueto to the Royals and Zack Greinke to the Angels. Both garnered a low top 50 prospect and two high unranked prospects. That offer had the #81 prospect and two high unranked prospects. It’s not THAT bad an offer for just Darvish, but I think someone could and would easily beat it, especially with the rest of the rental pitchers being relatively mediocre.
It may be your top 3 prospects but that doesn’t mean it’s much of an offer for the top available pitcher and Profar. Candelario is a nice piece. De la Cruz is 22yo in A ball and Zuganis is a 24yo with okay AAA numbers. Not exactly an offer jumping out at me
Darvish AND profar? I’m sure you would love that deal as a cub fan.
Profar doesn’t make sense for the Cubs. They have plenty of MI options.
Good luck getting him without giving up a current major league player with that current prospect pool.
But that is why this makes sense. the rangers are not blowing up their team. They still have a good enough roster to compete next year. the likelihood is they would be fine trading for a Shwarber who can DH or play OF next year.
Darvish, Choo and Lucroy for Shwarber and Thomas Hatch would work for both teams.
Speaking of people having inflated values of their team’s prospects. Schwarber is not worth that much.
first I’m not a ranger fan. secondly as you pointed out it’s rentals, Shwarber is under team control and is regarded as a good prospect in baseball circles. I doubt the cubs would want choo and likely Lucroy won’t wave to go there but considering that reports have said that Shwarber was discussed with the blue jays in a package for stroman, he has value.
I think Lucroy only has partial no trade. Chicago wasn’t on his list that he has to approve when he left Milwaukee.
You’re wrong about Schwarber if they included choo’s ugly contract. Darvish and choo for schwarber would be a good deal for Texas.
Yeah it is OBVIOUS you are a Cubs fan. Schwarber does has some value, but he is not worth Darvish, Lucroy, AND Choo.
choo is worth nothing, Lucroy is probably worth less than Avila at this point. so again it comes down to darvish and Shwarber and they are probably not quite even as darvish is an fa looking at 22+million a season.
rangers fans need to wake up. yes darvish is the top guy available but Shwarber is an asset that most clubs would want. Not to mention I added a pitching prospect that could be pitching for the rangers in 2019.
For those of you who think the Cubs don’t have the talent left for a big trade shame on you.
Theo dosent go shopping unless he can pay the price trust me he can get any deal done that he wants.
They would either have to give up 3-4 prospects for him since they have no players left in the top 100. Or they are taking players from their major league team.
Or, ya know, just maybe, the top 100 isn’t the only existing valuation of prospects?
Hence why I said 3-4 players. Do you really think darvish could be traded for one or two players that aren’t in the top 100 of baseball?
Ha ha, right. I always wonder just what list these armchair scouts are referring to so definitively.
Yes because top 100 lists are not consensus valuations by all player ops decision makers…
Great reading comprehension. Cubs gutted their best prospects so the quality wouldn’t be left according to all of the makers of the top prospect lists. Common sense guys. Get awfully defensive.
Until the Brewers actually built one of the best farm systems they had to routinely give up more than one or two prospects for each trade.
im extremely pleased with the quintana deal…hes exactly what the cubs need…but without eloy jimenez or any other elite prospects, i just dont see how the cubs can trade for a rental as pricey as darvish should be, the fact that lucroy is mentioned as part of the deal is preposterous
Maybe from dealing from the surplus on the major league roster??? Man, people are acting like prospects are the only thing you can trade
why would you deal from the major league roster to make the major league roster better….i can see schwarber being traded, but not for a rental…that is what i mean…we have nothing to offer for a rental of yu’s caliber…candelario and zagunis arent bringing darvish here
How does anyone count schwarber as a trade chip? No team would want the fat fire hydrant haha. He was good for what 7 games in the post season and that’s it. Even keon broxton could be on a seven game streak.
it’s called potential and GMs love “potential”.
Besides Shwarber has great power just not a good batting eye. it’s the perfect rangers player with Gallo
How many years before people figure out he just isn’t good. Look at Chris Carter when he was with the Brewers. Tons of power but couldn’t do anything else and was a defensive liability. Exactly the same as schwarber.
Dude stop making us Brewers fans look dumb. Chris Carter and Schwarber are nothing alike. For one thing, Carter is already way older than Schwarber was at this point. Plus, Carter was never really a prospect, he’s always been what he is. Schwarber has already shown, at times, that he can be far more complete than Chris Carter. I know Brewers fans only follow the Brewers, but Carter is a dumb comp.
If Epstein can strike the right deal for a pitcher ( preferably controllable), he’ll make Schwarber a part of that deal in a heartbeat. Young, left handed power bats don’t grow on trees. If someone off the major league roster goes in a trade, I predict Schwarber. Not a matter of if, but when. In spite of what Epstein says publicly.Happ is your new Schwarber, has pop, better defensively, switch hitter.
Happ is not the new Schwarber. Happ is the new Zobrist. And Schwarber isn’t going anywhere. Mark my words.
Bitter much? 5-game losing streak have you losing sleep?
Haha nope. Just hate the Cubs and Cardinals. It’s in my blood haha. Should be interesting if the Cubs can face the dodgers again in the playoffs. Dodgers seem much better this year.
When Keon Broxton goes on a “7-game streak” in the World Series after having missed the entire season due to what was supposed to be a season-ending injury, then get back to us.
Cubs just got lucky with no significant injuries that year besides schwarber. We can talk if they win another one.
We don’t need to talk when they “win another one”. How about you keep silent or tone it down a bit until the Brewers win exactly one?
Eh it’s more fun this way getting the cub fans all worked up. More than likely Brewers have to hit on several prospects since they don’t have a blank check book like most world series winning teams.
Why don’t we talk now. Cubs are defending world champions. What do you have to talk about? I am listening
It was a 2 game hit streak then a PH strike out then another 2 game hit streak. He had I think 7 hits. Maybe more.
A young player struggling in his first full season in the majors??? Get that bum out of here!!!! Thankfully, baseball front offices are smarter than fans like you. I bet you everyone trade talks the cubs have had, schwarber has been mentioned by the other team in every single one
I’d prefer he stays put though. Nothing funnier than watching him in the outfield. Best was that double error play of his in the rain against us.
And coming back from an injury, on top
of it. I completely agreee with
you. Some of these “Schwarber is a bum!” comments are beyond laughable.
Curious on discussions if someone said Quintana could eventually be just as good or slightly better than Lester now that he’s in NL?
I’m a big Jon Lester fan, but it would be hard to make the case that he has been as good as Jose Quintana going back to 2013 or so. Even this year, Quintana has been better than Lester per most advanced stats,
I think Quintana had been every bit as good as Jon Lester was in the American League, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him every bit as good, if not better, than Lester is/was after coming to Chicago.
Jose Quintana is a great pitcher. People outside of the south side of Chicago are finally going to start recognizing that now that he’s with the Cubs.
If the Cubs are willing to take Shin Soo Choo w/Darvish then I can see it only taking someone like Ian Happ and maybe Justin Grimm coming back to Texas…getting rid of Choo deal would be fantastic
“Only Ian Happ”? He’s a lot more valuable than you make it sound.
He’s also a big part of what the Cubs are doing now. Losing him to add Yu Darvish would create a hole on the big league product, the very product that a trade for somebody like Darvish would be attempting to improve.
Didn’t say “Only” Ian Happ did I? Said someone like Ian Happ…Darvish, although a rental isn’t gonna be free..
“I can see it only taking someone like Ian Happ and maybe Justin Grimm”
You said only someone like Ian Happ, which makes it sound like he’s not a valuable piece. And yes, I’m aware Darvish isn’t going to be free. I’m also aware that the Cubs aren’t going to trade an everyday player that’s performing well in the bigs at 22 years old for a rental.
Guys like Almora or Schwarber that don’t have an everyday role are who you should be looking at (if you don’t like their prospects).
How does a rental pitcher and an utterly negative value contract bring back that much value?
Ian Happ makes Almora and Schwarber disposable. It would be a mistake to trade Ian Happ for a rental.
That’s why you don’t trade him at all.
He makes Almora disposable. Not Schwarber. Schwarber is turning it around. Anyone that watches the Cubs, regularly, can see that. Almora could start for a middle of the road team, but he just isn’t good enough for where the Cubs are currently at in their journey.
If Texas tried to deal Choo, why wouldn’t they eat some of the contract to get something of value back. Keep seeing Cubs fans talking about taking his contract to seriously lower the price for the best available starter. No thanks
If Chicago dangles Ian Happ for Yu Darvish, the Rangers would take that in a hot second.
Won’t ever happen. He’s turning into one of the core guys.
There’s no place to play Choo. He’s a.downgrade on both offense and defense from every cubs outfielder. That’s just dumb. You want Happ and Grimm and Choo and Darvish. I wouldnt take that trade if texas paid 100% of choos remaining contract.
Cubs can’t afford anymore blockbuster trades
Cubs don’t need Lucroy. They won’t get him. However, if they go get Darvish now, that absolutely gives them a better chance than everyone else to resign him this offseason! Doesn’t matter who offers the most! Automatically gives them the best chance!
No, a $180+MM contract is the only guarantee Darvish sticks around.
You don’t get what I was doing
No, I got it. I just don’t think you’re looking at this objectively. Darvish may be willing to give the Cubs extra consideration were they to trade for him, but he won’t stay if the Cubs aren’t willing to offer the going rate for an elite starting pitcher. He just might get $200MM offers. Would the Cubs be willing to go that high? $184MM for Jason Heyward looks ridiculous in comparison.
You still don’t get what I’m doing. It’s something westcoastryan says about every trade candidate resigning with their new team. Oh and Heyward did get 200+ from St. Louis offered, he turned it down. Which is my whole point. Money isn’t always the deciding factor. Majority time is, not always.
There’s far worse contracts than heyward. For example the cubs giving Derek Lee 86mil over 6 years, giving starlin Castro a 6 or 7 year very team friendly team forgot the dollar amount. That dude is at his peak will only degress over the next 3 or 4 years.
Alfonso Soriano getting that huge deal was worse. And worst of all two 10 year contracts for a known cheater A-Rod.
JHeys deal is minimal compared to those deals.
97% of boras clients are all about money. Which is why is makes boras a greedy old fart who is talentless.
1. Why you so obsessed with me?
2. I actually say the opposite of what you are claiming I say.
3. ChiSoxCity got it right. While there MIGHT be some benefit to getting him familiar with the team and city ahead of time, whoever signs Darvish this offseason is going to be paying the market rate no matter what.
4. It’s not like Heyward took that big of a paycut to play for the Cubs. And those two opt-outs have some intrinsic value.
I don’t see a match here. Any time would be good with taking back Addison or Javier but Texas doesn’t have a glaring need up the middle right now that would push them away from taking the best overall prospect haul.
Schwarber could be of interest in a package as well but the Cubs would be selling low on him.
Houston makes sense, I actually like a darvish pickup more than gray for them as a pure rental type guy who hopefully wouldn’t cost them their top top prospects.
Would the Cubs like Yu? Of course but I can’t see them trading anyone on the major league roster. This seems more like a ploy to push the Brewers into over spending on a rental. My guess is the Cubs are going to be “in” on pretty much every starting pitcher.
Brewers won’t trade for rentals. I don’t think they will make the playoffs. Only chance is maybe wildcard if one of the west teams fall apart. They want players that they will have more than just this year or even next year. Anything else doesn’t make sense for them.
Contreras and candelario for lucroy and darvish – who says no? 5yrs of young catcher and a potential starting 3B for 2 rentals.
The Cubs hang up the phone way to steep for 2 rentals
I totally agree with you – was brought up at lunch table and surprisingly its split 50/50. I would think Tex would need to add another prospect or two.. or at least a decent ML ready P
Oh riffraff there you go talking again and proving how ignorant you are.
This is a joke, right?
So you want the cubs to get worse at catcher? Are you a brewers fan? Not a single gm makes that offer or agrees to it.
Why would the Cubs, or any team, trade Contreras? He’s one of the top 5 catchers in the game right now, and he’s cheap. Not happening.
Who says no? Is that a joke? You think the Cubs are going to trade their young up and coming already performing cost controlled starting catcher in the middle of a pennant race for 2 rentals? My God why do you even speak?
Pursuing either or both Yu Darvish & Jonathon Lucroy from the Rangers would require the Cubs front office to drastically change their philosophy of not parting with any players from their 25-man active roster. I can’t fathom a trade for either strictly based on what’s left in their farm system.
In addition, why would the Cubs want a veteran starting catcher in Lucroy with a stud like Willson Contreras in place long term? The club could use a veteran backup, preferably a left-handed hitting one, to spell Contreras and help out the pitching staff. This is what makes the Tigers Alex Avila so appealing to the Cubs as the trade deadline nears.
Yep, breaking news that the Cubs checked in on a pitcher. Just about half of the teams in MLB have checked in on Darvish and many other players. It’s July. GM’s kick the tires on a whole lot of players.
Wonder if the cubs deplete the farm for Darvish- Happ, Candelario, De La Cruz, and Alozay.
Cubs dont have much to offer for Darvish or Gray, Archer, etc. without including someone like Happ, Almora in a deal.
Gray for Happ, Almora and Clifton
Darvish to Dodgers for Verdugo
You want the cubs to offer their only 2 CFers? Why?
So who plays CF for the Cubs then? Huh?
Any deal involving darvish and Lucroy to the Cubs would have to involve Almora, either Happ or Baez and the Cubs top pitching prospect
Darvish to dodgers for Calhoun, Keibert Ruiz, oaks?
The Rangers need to be the Yankees of 2016 but with a twist. Deal Darvish, Hamels, Lucroy and Andrus for prospects. Then package some of the prospects to Miami for Stanton who can be your offensive center piece to replace Beltre for the next 8 years. You resign Darvish as a free agent in the off season and go all in on Ohtani. You’d have a top of the rotation of Darvish and Ohtani with a heart of the order of Ohtani, Stanton and Beltre (Who still has a couple years in him) not to mention Odor. You pay for it by shedding Andrus, Hamels and Lucroys contracts and you will also have restocked your farm system as you won’t need all the prospects to get Stanton.
ohtani is not hitting and pitching unless he goes to the NL
Teheran for Happ, then flip Happ or Albies and get Verlander and Tigers eat 20 million.
People here are acting like rentals are free. Some years you might not have to pay as much for a rental starter. But THIS year when it is Darvish and a lot of mediocrity, the price goes up. There is more than just the Cubs that will be bidding on Darvish. That means the price goes up. If the Cubs don’t want to pay the price for an ace, then they can just trade for Jeremy Hellickson or Derek Holland.
Darvish to Brewers for Brinson.
You get him back to play CF. Then sell off Gomez, Lucroy, Cashner, Ross for the best prospects you can come by just to insert back into the farm. And you come back at it next year. I mean your losing guys that were all one year contracts so you might as well get whatever lotto tickets you can develop in farm. As for Darvish, Brewers wouldnt likely resign him and doubt Darvish wouldn’t be overly excited to resign. Whereas you trade him to a dodger, Yankees, cubs you run the risk of him liking and wanting to re-sign.
And 4 others including a player like Thames from the 25 man roster. Won’t matter. They don’t have the prospects to get him or the cheese to keep him.
LMAO cubs killing farm system just to try and repeat. Glad I’m a Pirates fan!
Pretty much all their starting position players are in their early-to-mid 20’s. They’ll be good for a while, even if they don’t have a great farm anymore.
You’re glad to be a Pirates fan because your rival is trying to repeat?
They don’t need a farm. They have a young core and the cash to fill any hole with a free agent.
This might be the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen, especially since the Pirates haven’t won the World Series since 1979 and are in no position to change that anytime soon.
Perhaps he is glad to be a Pirate fan because his memory goes back longer than 10 months.
Sell the entire AA and AAA rosters for Darvish and Hamels. Do that and you have a quality four starters for the next few years, solid position players locked up for the next few years, and don’t need to call anybody up from the minors until 2020, at which time players currently playing A ball will be ready.
Darvish would be gone in two months so how does he help the next few years and you just traded … what … the entire farm in our AA and AAA teams so now we have no one to call up for you say 3 years and Darvish leaves in 2 months … sounds like you just closed the Cubs window shut!
I think the Yanks make a move to get Darvish and possibly Verlander too. The rumor is that the Tigers will pay his salary and pay down his contract. Sheffield and Florial to the Rangers for Darvish and Adams to the Tigers. I dib’t see them waiting until next year now with all the young players paning out. Their only weak spot would be first base.
Ok supposedly the Rangers really like Trevor Clifton. I think (and this is just my honest opinion) The Cubs should make a trade that should look like this – Cubs Recieve SP Yu Darvish (A RENTAL), – Rangers Recieve 3B/1B Jeimer Candelario (Hits for average, 20+ Homer threat with solid defense), SP Trevor Clifton (Floor of Back Rotation Starter to Ceiling of Solid #2 to a great #3) and a few highish ceiling low floor prospects. Giving up farm for this year isnt an awful idea, considering only place cubs will need help in next few years is pitching
So the Cubs then will need more help the next few years in pitching as you just traded Clifton who can solve that for Darvish who leaves in a few months
Usually the Yankees are linked to every big name trade bait or free agent. The media is now doing the same thing with the Cubs. Sonny Gray is not coming to Chicago either is Verlander. Darvish is a pitcher that the Cubs are more likely to acquire as a free agent rather than through a trade. The Cubs will get Avilia and one of the available bullpen lefties. That’s all folks!
Theo always thinks best of 7. I would expect a deal for a pitcher to win 1 game.
Buyer beware on Darvish, he’s great when healthy but the problem is he’s rarely healthy.