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Rangers Discussing Yu Darvish With Rival Clubs

By Jeff Todd | July 21, 2017 at 1:12am CDT

The Rangers are putting out feelers with other organizations to gauge interest in star righty Yu Darvish, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. While Texas isn’t yet ready to pursue a trade, per the report, it seems the club’s recent skid has put that option firmly on the table.

While there’s still plenty of uncertainty, the news is still notable. Darvish, after all, would represent the only clear impact rental starter on the market. Other top potentially available arms on expiring contracts include Trevor Cahill, Marco Estrada, Jhoulys Chacin, Jeremy Hellickson, and Jaime Garcia (who may be en route to the Twins).

If the 30-year-old is indeed made available, the Rangers would surely command a rather steep price. He wouldn’t be eligible for a qualifying offer from an acquiring team, so there’s no real value beyond the present season (apart from laying some groundwork for a possible free-agent pursuit), but Darvish could significantly impact an organization’s run to and through the postseason.

Over his 125 1/3 innings this year, Darvish has delivered a 3.45 ERA with 9.4 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9. That’s not the kind of elite performance he delivered prior to undergoing Tommy John surgery, but still represents top-level performance — particularly in the current run-scoring environment.

Darvish is throwing as hard as ever and generating swinging-strikes at near-typical levels. Any long-term health concerns are out the window. And with just $11MM owed to him over the course of the season, he’s quite affordable for his performance level.

Presumably, just about any organization currently seeking rotation help would need to consider the Japanese ace. Some clubs will still prefer controllable hurlers, most notably Sonny Gray, but the market is otherwise starved for top-end starters that would be expected to represent significant upgrades for a hypothetical postseason rotation.

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  1. TheGreatTwigog

    8 years ago

    If the rangers can’t get top top prospects for this guy it’s truly the death of the rental

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    • pro4pro32goathletics

      8 years ago

      I think he will net the Rangers top prospects, starters are a priority for a lot of the contenders. The A’s got Cotton, Montas and Holmes for Hill and Reddick, who then where rentals. The rental position players this year are the ones that don’t bring a lot of interest, but that is just how it turned out to be this year.

      Reply
      • rbisingle

        8 years ago

        QO compensation has changed though, so that will have an effect on trades moving forward.

        2
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        • thebare

          8 years ago

          True QO has changed the game GM can’t still be greedy Cashman

          Reply
      • antonio bananas

        8 years ago

        times are changing. historically, ace rental deadline trades do nothing. can anyone think of a single time it mattered?

        Reply
        • rbisingle

          8 years ago

          Sabathia

          6
          Reply
        • hiflew

          8 years ago

          Cueto

          4
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Alexander

          1
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Sutcliffe

          1
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Randy Johnson

          3
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Schilling

          2
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Cliff Lee

          1
          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Oswalt

          3
          Reply
        • EndinStealth

          8 years ago

          The best one ever.

          1
          Reply
        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          He didn’t really make an impact. His team got taken down by the padres in 98

          Reply
        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Johnson I’m referring too

          Reply
        • LA Sam

          8 years ago

          U guys w/ur facts! Sure….w/facts u can make anything look good….

          6
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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Without Johnson Houston doesn’t even make it to the postseason. He was unbelievable after the trade deadline.

          2
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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          The original question was something like “when did these trades for an ace ever matter” and it’s happened a ton

          3
          Reply
        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          I remember how good he was
          They won over 100 games that year

          Reply
        • retire21

          8 years ago

          Booth

          Reply
        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          True; I’d forgotten how good they were. The Braves finished even better. As a Padres fan, I loved the ’98 postseason but that was a painful World Series to watch. I doubt Atlanta or Houston would have won either but they’d have had a better chance.

          But getting upset in the first round doesn’t diminish that Johnson was an absolutely great trade deadline acquisition, considering how little Houston gave up for him.

          Reply
        • oldleftylong

          8 years ago

          Price

          1
          Reply
        • LA Sam

          8 years ago

          Fister to Det ’11….8-1, 1.79 era down the stretch

          1
          Reply
        • jbaker3170

          8 years ago

          Wow…you obviously know nothing. Look at all the answers and you say they do nothing. SMH

          Reply
        • KingTiger

          8 years ago

          Doyle Alexander 1987

          Arguably the best ever…

          1
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        • dudeness88

          8 years ago

          the 98 Padres.. team full of juicers

          Reply
        • LA Sam

          8 years ago

          I remember Doyle trade, he performed…..cost em young righty…..John Smoltz….HOFr…..hence the other side of paying for the rental, buyer beware……

          Reply
        • Ookashfah

          8 years ago

          Brandon McCarthy

          Reply
        • thebare

          8 years ago

          He signed with the Cubs after the trade

          Reply
        • gcg15

          8 years ago

          Rick Sutcliffe, 1984.

          And soon to be Jose Quintana, 2017.

          Reply
        • natsgm

          8 years ago

          Wasnt aware Quintana was a rental..

          Reply
        • privy

          8 years ago

          What MLB team wasn’t back then? Not every guy but all teams had a few.

          Reply
        • xabial

          8 years ago

          When CC Sabathia got traded to the Brewers by the Cleveland Indians in 2008. Took em to the playoffs, Sabathia was 17–10 overall (11–2 with Milwaukee) with a 2.70 ERA and was second in the majors (behind Tim Lincecum) with 251 strikeouts.

          Though he was unable to take them to the promised land, he became a FA at the end of the season signing that contract with the Yankees (and subsequent extension) and been with them ever since. (2017 is the last year of Sabathia’s contract)

          Reply
    • Aaron Sapoznik

      8 years ago

      From what’s occurred in MLB historically up through last season’s non-waiver trade deadline, what would prompt you to post such a comment?

      Reply
      • rbisingle

        8 years ago

        MLB changed QO compensation last offseason.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          8 years ago

          How does that significantly effect Yu Darvish’s market? An acquiring club would still lose any chance at offering him a QO, just like the under the previous CBA which did little to hurt an impacting rental player or pitcher.

          The biggest effect with the new changes would be to the selling team like the Rangers who won’t get nearly the compensatory return should they opt to hang on to an impending FA such as Darvish.

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        • rbisingle

          8 years ago

          The draft pick the Rangers would have gotten under the old system raises his price for the acquiring team because if the Rangers don’t get a package significantly better than a late first round draft pick, they could hold onto him and get the draft pick. Now, the draft pick isn’t as valuable so the Rangers lose leverage.

          OP’s comment is an interesting one. If Darvish doesn’t net top prospects in return, the change to the QO compensation will give the the Rangers (in this case) little to no incentive to trade him, thus the death of the rental. They’d be better off keeping him so he’s more likely to sign a new deal before next year (if that’s their plan), and giving them a greater chance of catching lightning in a bottle in the last couple months of the season and sneak into a WC spot. I guess we’ll find out shortly.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          8 years ago

          rbisingle: Agree with your follow up reply, especially in the specific case regarding Darvish and the Rangers.

          Reply
  2. satan

    8 years ago

    Teheran for darvish

    Reply
    • EndinStealth

      8 years ago

      Get help. Quickly

      3
      Reply
    • tharrie0820

      8 years ago

      Teheran and Maitan!

      Reply
  3. tsc32

    8 years ago

    Trade him, Hamels, Lucroy, Gomez, Napoli, and Cashner. Maybe even see if anyone is interested in the obp machine Choo if Texas is willing to eat a large chunk of the deal. Doubt Choo would even draw interest but never hurts to try. It wouldn’t fully reload the farm after the Hamels and Lucroy deals but it would at least get us a few legit prospects

    2
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    • cmancoley

      8 years ago

      Napoli to the Yankees makes sense to me

      1
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      • Bullet

        8 years ago

        Is Nap a free agent after this year?

        1
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        • RangersFanCD19

          8 years ago

          Yes

          Reply
      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Please explain why!

        1
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        • GoRockies

          8 years ago

          Yankees need first base help

          Reply
        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          They’ve got a platoon that will outperform Napoli and his strikeouts/terrible defense.

          4
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        • justinkm19

          8 years ago

          Napoli leads the majors in HR’s in July. How’s the platoon?

          Reply
        • bravesfan1970

          8 years ago

          TIED for the lead. And what else has he done? Nothing.

          1
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    • cmancoley

      8 years ago

      And Choo to the Royals might make sense, given Texas eats some of the contract as you said

      Reply
    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      For all those guys, it’d have to be for a lot of “legit prospects”

      Reply
      • Michael Chaney

        8 years ago

        But none of those guys really has a lot of value other than Darvish (a rental) and Hamels (big contract). Lucroy is a rental (and a struggling one at that), Gomez is also a rental (and if JD Martinez got a light return, Gomez would get much less), and Napoli and Cashner are rentals too but they just aren’t that good. If they traded every single one of those guys, they might get a top prospect apiece for Hamels and Darvish and a few lottery tickets or insignificant minor leaguers.

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  4. yankees25

    8 years ago

    Stove became a bit warmer now boys

    Reply
    • Aaron Sapoznik

      8 years ago

      I though the “stove” was only hot in the winter or the offseason?

      Perhaps we can adopt the term hot “grill” for the summer trade deadline(s). lol

      Reply
      • Aaron Sapoznik

        8 years ago

        Come to think of it, gathering ’round an ice cold kegger sounds even better in June, July and August!

        Reply
        • libbo

          8 years ago

          Although I’d spend more time at the keg, I think you nailed it with with the “Hot Grille Season” Aaron

          Reply
    • YankeeMan3099

      8 years ago

      Yankees need to stay far away from Darvish not giving up top prospects for a rental, would rather have Gray who isn’t a free agent until after the 2019 season this makes no sense for the Yanks.

      Reply
    • YankeeMan3099

      8 years ago

      Yanks and Oakland are apparently close to a deal to send Gray to the Yanks package will most likely include Mateo, Acevedo, and others Clint Frazier and Torres are NOT in this deal.

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      Reply
  5. CompanyAssassin

    8 years ago

    Come hither, Darvish.

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    Reply
  6. mattypo

    8 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind Lucroy back in a Brewer uniform

    Reply
    • cbf82

      8 years ago

      Sure, give us the exact same pieces back!!

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      Reply
    • RangersFanCD19

      8 years ago

      We’ll give you lucroy for Lewis brinson

      1
      Reply
  7. LA Sam

    8 years ago

    Dodgers….n the rich get richer!

    Reply
    • LA Sam

      8 years ago

      Kershaw, Yu, Hill, Wood…..play-off rotation.

      Reply
      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        =another early exit!

        3
        Reply
      • OnlyRaysFan

        8 years ago

        Playoff rotation of Kershaw
        After injuries

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      • libbo

        8 years ago

        Sale, Price, Porcello, Pomeranz/ERod …

        Reply
  8. MakeATLGreatAgain

    8 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind Hamels, even though he blew it today.

    Reply
  9. greenarrow1150

    8 years ago

    “rival” cubs lol since when

    Reply
    • Aaron Sapoznik

      8 years ago

      Rival Cubs? Headline says “Rival Clubs”.

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    • Voidhelix

      8 years ago

      Since they were willing to trade him to the Houston Astros….

      Reply
  10. Voidhelix

    8 years ago

    Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Boston all make sense, and have the prospect capital to get something done. I would expect an MLB ready catcher to be part of any deal.

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    • slider32

      8 years ago

      Darvish could be the key piece for those teams in the playoffs.

      Reply
    • ATL_ranger

      8 years ago

      I think they’re pretty set on using Chirinos and giving Brett Nicholas a chance if Lucroy goes, so don’t think the catcher would be the most important piece. Rangers need better pitching

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      • baseball lifer

        8 years ago

        Spot on with both (C/SP/RP).

        Reply
    • JaviF

      8 years ago

      The Dodgers are not willing to give up Verdugo and that is who everyone asks for in return. Barnes is the backup catcher who is ready to be a starter but is blocked by Grandal. You bring up a interesting point. If any of you saw last nights game a starter is a must in LA rotation. McCarthy is horrible.

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  11. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    He probably wont be traded.

    1
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  12. cbf82

    8 years ago

    Trade the whole damn team! Fed up with this crap

    1
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    • tsolid 2

      8 years ago

      Ahhhh Poor baby!

      Reply
  13. gpf0r 2

    8 years ago

    About time!! I am one of the biggest Rangers fan you’ll meet and I think they need to trade everyone who has any type of value that is over that age of 30. Time to rebuild, get young. Our GM is amazing and can so a great job rebuilding. Under performance and inconsistency is killing the Rangers.

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  14. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    Are the Rangers about to go the way of the Pades and Phillies?

    Unless the answer is yes, there is NO way they should trade Darvish.

    If it’s true that Ohtani worships Darvish AND that he must sign for the same basic dollar value with any club, the Rangers would have as good a chance as anyone to sign him.

    That alone is worth more than what they might get back for a rental.

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    • raef715

      8 years ago

      thats why i hope darvish gets traded; phils have plenty of dollars to sign him and dont give up any draft compensation, and better position to lure otani at some point.

      Reply
  15. madmanTX

    8 years ago

    Everybody drools thinking this means Rangers are having a fire sale. Unless the ownership told JD to cut payroll, this isn’t happening. A few guys might go who they couldn’t keep anyway or would bring an overpayment in return, but no way are the Rangers needing a full rebuild just because they are having a down year.

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      They’re going to lose them anyways so it’d be stupid to keep them since they’re a mediocre team

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  16. the.sophisticant

    8 years ago

    i remember berry when darvish was a young buck with everything to show and nothing to prove. i wonderella if he can get back to his roots and impress the suits

    Reply
  17. Matt Galvin

    8 years ago

    Beltre and Cashner to Royals for O’Hean,Skugland,Starling and so on?
    Ross to Cubs?
    Hamels/Lucroy to Red Sox?
    Darvish/Bullpener to Dodgers?
    Mike Napoli to Yankees?
    Choo to Indians?

    Reply
    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      Did something happen to Moose? I don’t see the Royals trading for a third baseman.

      2
      Reply
    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Ross to Cubs?? 7.22 e.r.a. We have Lester Hendricks Quintana Arietta .

      1
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    • RangersFanCD19

      8 years ago

      The Rangers aren’t trading Adrian Beltre under any circumstance… cmon man that’s terrible

      1
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      • sloppybones

        8 years ago

        There is no such thing as “under any circumstance.” I love Beltre with all my heart, but hell yes if someone comes knocking with a huge deal that blows you away for him, you absolutely consider that deal.

        Reply
  18. stretch123

    8 years ago

    I could see him going to the Yankees or Dodgers. Both teams tend to be aggressive and I think LAD has one of their better teams in recent years so it makes sense to just go for it all. Especially if it’s too costly to acquire Gray from Oakland. I wouldn’t give up more than 2 mid level prospects for Darvish, though.

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  19. baseball lifer

    8 years ago

    At this point, I think the only safe Ranger is Robinson Chirinos, and possibly A. Beltre.
    Everyone else must at least be seriously discussed.

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