We checked in already today on one key factor for the pitching market: the availability of Rangers righty Yu Darvish. And we have just provided an overview of the remaining arms that could be available this summer. Here are some more notable pieces of information with a week to go until the trade deadline:
- The Nationals and Athletics are still engaged after completing one significant trade, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi. Whether A’s righty Sonny Gray could come up between the organizations isn’t yet clear, but there are now indications that the Nats are at least beginning to think about the possibility of pursuing a starter. The organization likely would do just that if it finds cause for significant concern with Stephen Strasburg, who just left his most recent start with forearm tightness. And it is worth bearing in mind that Washington will need another starter for 2018 with Joe Ross expected to miss the entire season after Tommy John surgery. But unless the Nationals find evidence of a larger problem for Strasburg, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post wrote yesterday, the club will probably keep its sights set on continuing to improve the bullpen. But a mounting list of injuries could perhaps force the organization to weigh alternatives even as it continues to pace the NL East by a hefty margin.
- Youthful outfielders are the Athletics’ top priority in Gray talks, Morosi notes in the above post and a subsequent tweet. One prospect that has drawn their attention is Yankees youngster Estevan Florial, Morosi says, with MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand noting on Twitter that New York is “not against including him in a trade package.” Of course, several other organizations rumored to have eyes for Gray also seem to have the types of young outfielders that would draw Oakland’s interest.
- While the Cubs addressed their most pressing rotation needs already, they are continuing to watch and discuss Justin Verlander with the Tigers, Morosi further reports. As Ken Rosenthal of MLB Network writes (Facebook link), Chicago seems to have the future payroll space needed to add Verlander without risking luxury tax complications. While it’s still unclear just how motivated the Cubs are on the veteran righty, it seems that a match remains plausible.
- Even after adding Trevor Cahill yesterday, the Royals are continuing to eye the market for rotation upgrades, according to Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). Kansas City could even bump Cahill into the bullpen if a significant enough piece were to be found, Heyman notes. It’s worth noting that K.C. was able to add three arms to its current roster without taking on significant salary obligations; perhaps, then, there’s still a bit of flexibility remaining for the organization to make another upgrade.
- While the Brewers perhaps no longer are a favorite to land Gray, they could still be active on other hurlers. Rosenthal tweets that veteran Blue Jays reliever Joe Smith was of interest to Milwaukee in the offseason and could be pursued at the deadline. Smith has been knocked around a bit in his two most recent outings, which occurred on both ends of a DL stint. But he was carrying a 2.64 ERA prior to that point and is only earning $3MM this year. With 49 strikeouts and just eight walks in Smith’s 32 2/3 innings on the year, there’s obvious appeal; perhaps the Brewers could see an opportunity to achieve value on a solid relief option, though surely some other contenders will feel the same way.
skrockij89
Mariners have youthful outfielders. Heredia would be a nice to go along with other pieces. I’m sure Dipoto could also make Gamel/Haniger available. If he’s wanting to break the outfield defense up.
adshadbolt
By youthful outfielder they mean top prospect that plays centerfield, heredia is a fourth outfielder at best.
Mariners1524
Heredia is more than a 4th outfielder imo. He just has not been given a legit shot for everyday
Twingo
You clearly don’t watch Heredia play very often. He plays Gold Glove defense and can hit. He just hasn’t gotten as much playing time with Haniger and Game’s great starts and Dyson’s game changing speed. Heredia does need some work on his base running but he is much more valuable than just a 4th.
Mariners1524
M’s need to keep this group together. Heredia in a deal is something for the winter. The A’s probably want Braden Bishop and Kyle Lewis for Gray.
A'sfaninUK
Along with Haniger, sure.
deadmanonleave
I’m with JAF here. I’d trade Lewis and Bishop for a starter of Gray’s calibre in a heartbeat, but I think the A’s would want more. I’d be loath to trade any of Haniger, Gamel or Heredia.
Howard-NY13
I’m not a mariners fan but I would definitely keep gamel. As a Yankee fan, I knew he was going to be something special and he is. I would definitely keep him.
RunDMC
As a Braves fan, keep Gamel. Dude is incredible to watch. That being said, if he can divert OAK’s attention away from a package involving Kyle Lewis, I’d do it. I like how our draft ended up, but I really wish they didn’t pass Lewis up.
seckert15
So how is this news different from the other 50 articles that have been written in the last 3 days?
Gogerty
You didn’t have to read the article.
Michael Chaney
Thank you hahaha I hate when people say that articles are pointless even though they read them anyway
Gogerty
Well it was Jeff Todd that made him read the article.
realgone2
He was held at gun point apparently.
Houston We Have A Solution
Had his kids taken hostage and the kidnappers requested this comment be made as part of their ransom.
Ezzed Stun
Sounds like those darn Russians are at it again.
Dynasty
Florial and Mateo for Gray: Too much or too little? Objective opinions only please.
chino31
Need to add a low level arm. along with mateo and Florial.
ray_derek
Agreed, need more considering Gray is not a rental and his salary is rather low the next two years.
arc89
add Acevedo and Sheffield while the A’s add Alonso and that sound like the deal that goes through.
scjohn92
The Athletics would need to add cash, as there’s no way they could absorb both Alonso’s and Gray’s salaries without going over the luxury tax threshold.
nste23
That’s only 7.35 million going to New York
dobsonel
I think you might be confused. These guys are cheap and the Yanks have plenty of room to stay under the Luxury Tax threshold next season.
dobsonel
Plus Alonzo is a free agent as seasons end.
A'sfaninUK
Seconding arc89’s post (again)
bronxbombers
That’s 3 top 100 prospects in that deal even more than Quintana got back doubt it’s that big a package arc89
tbonenats
That’s not as much as Q. The number of top 100 doesn’t compare when the #5 prospect in the game was headlining the other package. If Frazier or Torres were headlining then sure adding in a 3rd top 100 doesn’t make sense for the Yankees.
jacks81x
Probably need to add one more mid-level prospect since Gray is controllable until 2020. Though given Gray’s recent injury history, I would think long and hard before deciding to go all in on him. Darvish may come cheaper because he’d just be a half season rental and the Yanks can’t give him a QO at the end of the season to recoup a draft pick.
rocky7
Wow, we’re giving Gray way too much consideration given his injury history.
Exactly how many prospects is this guy worth>
And Alonso…..he’s a rental that will not be resigned so doubt that the Yankees wish to give up anything too substantial for his services for the last two months….who knows how he adjusts and its possible that his best stats are behind him with the A’s, and not forward with the Yankees.
thegreatcerealfamine
Too little!
yankeefan4564
couple lottery tickets add in that would be yankees best offer that would help them
bencole
I think Gray has to start with Frazier or Torres. I just don’t see Mateo being the star player Oakland is looking for in return. If I’m the Yankees I’m not moving Frazier. And Oakland wants OF help, but they would take a player like Torres in return in my opinion because of his talent.
Michael Chaney
Anyone would take a player like Torres because of his talent
worzelmangel
Torres is a guy who goes in a deal for a no doubt ace without health problems, Sonny Gray is neither of those.
ctguy
There’s no way the Yankees should include Torres or Frazier in a trade for Gray. They need to add a starting pitcher, but they don’t need to over pay. The A’s can definitely keep Alonso.
A'sfaninUK
Please. Stop. Saying. Gray. Has. Health. Problems.
He doesn’t. At all. Injuries DO repair themselves you know? Plus his previous injuries aren’t going to effect him long-term.
Oh wait, youre doing that thing where homers badmouth players because they think MLB Front offices read these dumb comments sections – lol they dont, so you can go ahead and stop lying now.
JP8
How many times has Tanaka been knocked for injury history?
tedmorgan
Comparing Gray’s health to Tanaka’s is apples to oranges. Tanaka’s still a legitimate health risk, despite continuing to pitch (and largely pitch well, although he’s had HR issues this year) since a partially torn UCL diagnosis in 2014. The distinction is, it’s physically impossible for the body to repair a ligament tear on its own. UCL tears, which are generally wear-and-tear injuries, also tend to worsen over time. So, Tanaka has a partially torn UCL that’s likely to continue tearing over time and can’t heal on its own. It’s very different from a broken bone or strained muscle.
The perception that he’s delaying inevitable TJ surgery has merit. Granted, he may well pitch another 5-10 years without having surgery (not a bet I’d take but still possible). There are ways to limit the effects of a UCL tear and slow down the tearing, basically by decreasing stress on the ligament and improving elbow strength/stability. Also in his favor, Tanaka’s UCL was only ~10% torn in 2014. (The threshold for TJ surgery is usually a 25-33% tear.)
Sonny Gray, on the other hand, has suffered (and recovered from) three distinct strains (trapezius, forearm, and lat) since 2015. That’s not a ringing endorsement of his durability, but his injuries were relatively minor, have healed, and aren’t major red flags for future health issues.
yankeefan4564
good thing your not the A’s gm because a team a offer that toward the top of your list you cant ask for a top 5 in all of baseball propect that is year away from the bigs
MurderersRow27
The Yankees aren’t going to trade Torres or Frazier for Gray, or anyone else for that matter. They’ve already said that and it looks like they’re definitely sticking to their guns on that. With his injury history, there’s no way he fetches either of their top 2 prospects. The Yankees were willing to include Rutherford in a trade for Quintana (he was their 3rd ranked prospect) and they valued Quintana more than Gray (less injury concerns, more durability, extra year of team control and overall a better pitcher), so don’t expect either Torres or Frazier in a deal.
thunderecho
Astros fan here. Yankees won’t trade Frazier. The Yankees, in my opinion, have the best farm system in MLB. They have the requisite depth to entice teams to trade with them without surrendering any of their top 4 prospects. Phenomenal talent through all levels of their system.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Not sure their farm is better than the Braves’ farm overall. It’s stacked with tons of high-end talent and deep.
As for including Rutherford for Quintana, if that’s their best offer, it’s no wonder the Sox rejected it. The problem is that the price of something is what someone will pay for it; the Cubs put the price of a quality, controllable starter at their top prospect and another top 100 guy. Q may be more valuable than Gray because of his durability, but Gray has more upside. It wouldn’t surprise me if he landed a top 25 overall prospect and some filler.
MurderersRow27
Rutherford was the 1st piece they apparently offered, there was more involved. The Cubs did step up and offer a bigger package, and that’s why the Cubs got Quintana. The Cubs blew everyone else’s offer out of the water (like they did with the Chapman trade last year) because they knew how bad their rotation has been so far this year and what they could potentially be losing from that rotation after this season.
Hanlog1105
It’s not gonna happen. Florial, Mateo plus two more is going to be the package if it happens.
A'sfaninUK
Congrats in your new job in the Yankee front office!
thegreatcerealfamine
lol
yanksfan23
Why are the Yanks hesitant to give up Florial? We are going to set in the OF for a number of years to come. We need a SP really badly not only this year but going forward. In the event that we are not contending in the near future and assuming Gray stays healthy & productive…we can always flip him down the road for a good prospect package.
MB923
It clearly states that New York is “not against including him in a trade package.”
Michael Chaney
The article said they *aren’t* against including him in a trade
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I don’t understand the interest in Verlander. He has been a dominant pitcher in his day, but now, he’s aging, he’s expensive, and so many clubs seem to be intrigued by the “change of scenery” factor. This honestly seems like a situation where the Tigers got his best years; unless they eat a WHOLE lot of money, I simply don’t see Verlander as either a bargain or a solution.
Michael Birks
David price +80,000,000 for Justin Verlander
Michael Birks
Boston uses the savings to try and lock up Chris sale long-term
donniebaseball
Absolutely 0% the Tigers take on price’s contract. That’s one of the worst contracts in all of sports right now, and us tigers fans know a thing or two about bad contracts
MahatmaGagne
Price is not a postseason pitcher……..choker
donniebaseball
@Wazbazbo It’s not like he was only dominant 5 years ago. He was literally the top (or arguably the second best) pitcher in the AL just last year. And his stuff has been even better this year!
theroyal19
While his contract is expensive for his current performance, he has the ability to reach into the gas tank for more. He still has the ability to completely change a team if you look at how he pitched last year. If I’m the Cubs or Dodgers I’d give the ball to Verlander in game 2 of a series knowing I have a great chance of either going up 2-0 or evening the series 1-1. That’s where the interest comes from
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
If he can reach into the tank for more, why isn’t he?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They just want to see Kate Upton in the stands.
Ezzed Stun
Kate will only approve a trade to NY or LA as her modeling career only has 2 or 3 years remaining. But her “headlights” will still draw attention for a few more years.
thegreatcerealfamine
Hey Billyboyballz Rutherford is dropping like a stone in prospect rankings. MR untouchable is #45 on MLBPIPELINE mid season prospect rankings..oh Clint is #27..so who would still be Yanks #2? Among some of the things said about him on that site and other sites,fringe arm,slowing on run,surprising lack of power,won’t stay in center…he’s #5 on White Sox. Point to all this is you said they couldn’t aford to trade him when he won’t won’t be ready till the earliest 2020/21. Quintana is not worth him..omfg
randyl
I believe if it was me I would acquire grey to cleaveland to add an xtra arm in there rotation trade off bauerand gomes bring up Mahja from minors
Michael Chaney
Good thing you aren’t the “cleaveland” GM…I really want them to get Sonny Gray too, but Bauer and Gomes each have about no trade value, let alone for Gray. Also, Mejia shouldn’t be rushed at all…he’s probably due for a promotion to Columbus in the near future, but I’m actually content to ride out the season with Gomes because his defense is at least pretty solid.
A'sfaninUK
If you don’t think Mejia will be in a Gray trade, you are sorely mistaken.
believeland
Then they don’t get Gray and roll with what has been one of the best rotations in baseball this month. Kluber, Cookie, Clevinger, and Salazar (who just dominated) would be our playoff starters anyways. One of Tomlin or Bauer is already getting bumped to the ‘pen next week, and as good as Gray is, he isn’t as valuable to the Indians as he is to other teams.
I’d rather pick up a LHRP and another set-up man and call it a day.
Michael Chaney
Re-read my comment again and tell me where I said that
mitt24
Gray for Buxton straight up. Include Krush Davis is you want Kohl Stewart/Kirloff prospects
A'sfaninUK
lmao no way Buxton’s proven nothing other than being a d-only 4th OF.
chound
If I were an A’s fan, I’d be screaming hell no.
donniebaseball
Assuming the Tigers eat some money on his contract like they said they would, the Cubs don’t have the prospects anymore to acquire a Verlander. It would have to come from players off the major league roster, which I don’t see happening.
pdubs2907
The cubs still have some highly regarded guys in A ball. I think they could probably get Verlander for prospects. Gray or Darvish, on the other hand, would probably require one of Happ/Schwarber/Almora/Candelario and a couple A ball prospects.
TraderRyan9
Gonna have to include albertos, de la cruz, in a verlander deal. Atleast 1 of them
tim815
De La Cruz hasn’t pitched in about a month. Injured.
I see his name pop up in trade talks from people who don’t listen to MiLB games. His health is a concern.
TraderRyan9
Uh, I’ve seen guys with TJ surgery get traded
joparx
the cubs have the ability to trade for verlander…ill just cry alot if they do…trade addison russell for gray and let baez start at short regularly, happ at 2nd, and schwarber waiting for the dh in the national league
TraderRyan9
Hahaha. No one wants addion Russell for one of the top starters this year
So many dumb dumbs here
A'sfaninUK
Happ, Almora, Clifton & Tseng for Gray & Manaea probably works for both.
donniebaseball
The A’s could do much better than that for those two. Manaea alone is arguably worth that package you just listed.
staxxxxxxxxx
Gray and Manaea? WAY light.
A'sfaninUK
I honestly have no idea what Manaea’s trade value is TBH. Yall saying: Less than Fulmer, more than Gray?
donniebaseball
@Just Another Fan
Wide gap between the two (fulmer and grey) because of age, control, performance, and health, but basically yeah in-between the two. Manaea is closer to fulmer because of his recent performance and the fact he’s controllable at an extremely cheap rate for 5 years.
Now this isn’t perfect at all, but this is what fangraphs thinks: fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-honorable-men…
tbonenats
Doesn’t matter since Manaea isn’t available. He’d cost about the same as Fulmer, maybe take one too 100 prospect and change it to a young lottery ticket type. And that’s the price difference IMO.
donniebaseball
@pdubs2907 I think that the cubs have done a great job at drafting, but they really don’t have any prospects at this moment that could net Verlander. A couple of their better prospects at Single A have starter upside, but their floor is so low and they are all so far away from the majors that they don’t hold significant value as of now. That’s too much risk to hold much value.
braves25
If Florial and Mateo are the starting point for Gray….how close does Ian Anderson and Christian Pache come to matching that? The A’s are asking for young players. Both Anderson and Pache are younger…
Or would it take Albies and Pache?
A'sfaninUK
Albies and Matian start it, add 2 more and Sonny is yours.
braves25
So if that is the case the proposal of Florial and Mateo comes nowhere close to getting Gray!
Zach725
LOL you want the #19, #44, plus 2 more for a pitcher who has an injury history, good luck with that.
Sam.rhodes16
I’m curious if you actually think that, or if you’re simply joking.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Too much. Albies or Maitan and then a guy in their 10-20 range is fairer.
yanksfan23
Any chance the Yanks make a play for WIl Myers + Brad Hand? I would love to see Myers in the Bronx with the short porch in right
Bob Smiley
no chance.
yanksfan23
Why?
donniebaseball
I wouldn’t say no chance, but it’s extremely unlikely. Hand is a huge trade chip for the pads and I really can’t see them packaging Hand with anyone. As for Myers… there’s a lot of debate about what value he has but I think the cost to get him and hand both would be devastating to the yankees farm system.
A'sfaninUK
Back to the actual article, Gray for Robles, Fedde and Stevenson makes sense.
tbonenats
Lol. Nats love dealing with Beane but they wouldn’t trade Robles for Gray 1-1. I could see Fedde and Stephenson plus Antuna going for Gray.
Zach725
How likely is Verlander to wave his no trade rights?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I think that depends on where he’s going. If the Rockies tried to trade for him, no chance because the altitude would kill him. If it’s to the Cubs, potentially; he knows he has no shot of getting back to the World Series any time soon on the Tigers.
dcrising
If A’s are looking for young outfielders, Nats could offer any one or two of Michael Taylor, Brian Goodwin, and Andrew Stevenson as a starting point.
tbonenats
Taylor and Goodwin have no trade value for a player like Gray. Sadly.
bobbleheadguru
Verlander’s last pitch in the 7th inning yesterday was NINETY SEVEN MILES PER HOUR.
Those that think he is washed up, are not watching him pitch.
He made one bad pitch last night… and had bad luck with a passed ball. He struck out 5 of the first six batters. He is almost back to the 2016 JV, which is a Cy Young level pitcher.
This Tigers fan is hoping the Tiger do NOT make a deal, unless it is for a top 30 prospect. He is that good. He is also pays for his salary in season ticket sales.
He is like what Mickey Mouse is to Disney World. People pay money to come to see him pitch.
donniebaseball
He’s looked really good his last four starts, that’s for sure.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Ilitch’s son is not Ilitch. He actually cares about how much the Tigers are spending. I rather doubt Verlander gets back his salary and more for them. To do the math on that, take his home starts (17 or 18) and then subtract the average attendance of a game he’s not pitching from a game he is pitching, then multiply by average ticket price. Very highly doubt that number comes out to $27M, even if you add in a generous amount for concessions.
*Edit: if you assume Verlander is responsible for 10,000 extra tickets per game he pitches, even at $50 / piece for 18 home starts, that’s $9M. 1/3 of his huge salary. The other money the Tigers get is from jersey sales (most people who want a Verlander jersey probably already have one; they’ve had years to do it), advertising (already locked up), TV (already locked up), and radio (already locked up). Financially, dumping Verlander helps them.
At this point, I think the big discussion in the Tigers’ FO is how much salary do they want to pay down to maximize their prospect return. There’s little sense in keeping him and lots of reasons to tear it down and start over.
kleppy12
It won’t happen but to me it seems like the Twins would be a great trade partner for Gray if OAK wants young outfielders. They currently have 5 viable OF’s in the majors right now under 28 Grossman (27), Rosario (25), Granite (24), Buxton (24), and Kepler (24). I know Grossman is not great defensively (not horrible either) and he’s not flashy but he does have a but he is tied for 6th in the AL for OBP so he has value. Add Kirlloff, Rooker, and Palka and they could put together a pretty decent package of OF’s if that’s what OAK wants. Again I know it won’t happen but it makes sense.
tbonenats
Is the iTunes app not working for anyone else? I can only access the Hockey section.
julyn82001
Want A’s? Entice A’s Billy Beane, big time… That injury past nonsense is a not a factor for a prime pitcher like Gray is, period…
jdilla412
Austin Meadows?
jobro962
As an A’s fan the Longer this goes, the more I think Beane trades Gray for a shovel and a couple crappy relievers. We have a terrible track record in finding outfielders and he’s probably happy just dumping grays payroll. I hope I’m wrong, Grays a stud but I’m getting nervous that we’ll get any real value for him
pspahn
I thought he was going to be included with Doolittle and already be playing for the Nats and we managed to get Robles. Maybe they’ll take Treinen back (again) along with Gray.
tbonenats
Not Robles but maybe Soto and some pieces.
petersdylan36
What if the A’s, Indians, and Padres teamed up for a trade. Gray to the Indians, Bauer to the Padres, prospects to the A’s and Padres.
stymeedone
Sure. Your lack of details leaves it to the imagination on all sides. I see it as a win, win, win trade.
petersdylan36
No need for sass. Indians need a reliable starter. Padres need a pitcher with team control to usher in all the rookie pitchers they will have. A’s get prospects from the Indians and Padres. Indians don’t have to give up as many prospects because they are sending Bauer out and the padres will cover some prospects to the A’s
tbonenats
Doubt the Padres would give up much of anything for Bauer.
Steven Burge
He’ll wave it to go tho the Cubs