With about one hour remaining until the trade deadline, all eyes are on Athletics ace Sonny Gray. Gray comes with a 3.43 ERA on the season and club control through 2019. The latest:
- The Yankees’ dialogue continues on Gray, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports says the Yankees and A’s have had some movement on a trade, but aren’t quite there yet. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com feels Gray will either go to the Yankees or stay with the A’s. There is a strong belief within the A’s organization that a Gray trade will get done, tweets MLB.com’s Jane Lee.
Earlier Updates
- The Cubs would love to acquire Gray and are monitoring the situation in case the Yankees’ talks with the A’s crumble, tweets John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle. But as Shea notes, the Cubs don’t have as much to offer as the Yankees, having depleted their farm system with trades dating back to last summer. Shea’s colleague Susan Slusser hears that several other clubs are in the same boat as the Cubs.
- The Brewers love Gray and could get involved in talks with the A’s if negotiations with the Yankees drag on, tweets Jon Heyman. Joel Sherman believes the A’s like the Yankees’ bid more, however.
- A trade of Gray to the Yankees is “gaining more traction,” tweets Joel Sherman. Sherman adds that a deal is “still not at finish line, but [is] becoming more than less likely now.” In a subsequent tweet, Sherman cautions the A’s could still walk away. Meanwhile, Mark Feinsand has three sources who expect the Yankees to acquire Gray, though they believe it could come down to the final hour.
- Jon Heyman says some pieces have been agreed to in a potential Yankees-A’s Gray swap, with the Yankees remaining the favorite. Heyman says the A’s want three or four top prospects, below the tier of Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier. Here’s a look at the Yankees’ top prospects from MLB.com, in case you’d like to speculate.
- The Braves’ interest in Gray has cooled, tweets Joel Sherman. Sherman takes that as a sign the A’s will either trade Gray to the Yankees today or hold onto him until the winter.
- Deals involving Gray and Yu Darvish are “not expected to materialize” until the final hour of the deadline, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports notes that the Cubs checked in on Gray, but the asking price seems to be too steep.
- While the Yankees remain the strong favorite for Gray, according to Jon Heyman, the Braves are at least one other team that is in contact with the A’s regarding the 27-year-old righty. Heyman feels that the Yankees are a better match than the Braves for Gray given Oakland’s positional needs, noting that the Braves won’t deal Triple-A outfielder Ronald Acuna.
- The Yankees and A’s are “still close enough to get over the hump” on a trade for Gray today, a source tells ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. Joel Sherman notes that the two teams continue to talk, and quotes an “involved person” saying the Yankees have “pieces to make it work.”
Kill me now
Lol you and me both this is absolute torture at it’s finest, I tell people I’d rather walk bare foot on broken glass than have this keep dragging out its getting to the point of ridiculous now. With all that said I do however a deal will be made and Gray will be a Yankee as anticipated hopefully.
Not unless the Yanks give up Torres or Frazier
I think that all depends on what other teams, like Atlanta, are willing to include. Yanks very well might have to include one of them if another team tops their offer and they really want Gray.
no. it depends on nothing. Torres and Frazier will under no circumstances be included.
The As don’t have to deal him now. They can wait so if cash doesn’t give em what they want then they can screw I guess
I hope a deal gets done but neither Torres nor Frazier are leaving the Bronx.
Agreed, no way Frazier gets moved and I don’t think Torres gets moved unless its a 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 (Torres and another lower prospect) for Gray. But I don’t think a deal happens at all considering rumors that Cashman is basically completely unwilling to move any of their other top prospects either.
Some words with sense here!
Totally agree. The Yankees would be stupid to give up those 2. Especially Frazier
If Beane asked for 3-4 top prospects and Cash isn’t willing to move any of those, does that mean Cash would consider dealing 6-8 mid-level prospects? Or is he really just trying to get Beane to settle for less? I don’t see 3-4 mid-tier prospects for Gray happening.
The A’s don’t even have to trade him. If he keeps pitching well (his ERA has been well under 3.00 since the end of May) his stock will remain just as high even though he’ll come with less control.
A’s aren’t even asking for them anymore since they realize it’s a pipe dream. Only Yankee haters on MLBTR are still mentioning those names at this point.
Sorry not happening neither is getting traded
That’s because they have no life these Yankee haters they think they know everything which makes this even funnier go pound rocks you Yankee hating trolls.
Then have fun rolling with Jaime Garcia
You should of never expected this done until 4 EST
Hope it gets done today. Just over 6 hours left.
wonder if the yanksbare trying to squeeze money out of the as like theyvdid the twins. poor budget strapped yankees
????
Just a Boston troll…
Livin’ in a lonely world
Took the midnight train to nowhere’s ville.
You mean Price is on the DL.. lol
You sound like a real loser!
You mean “PRICEWASNEVERRIGHT” in Boston
That last start against the Yanks looked pretty right.
If you think the Yankees are holding up the deal because of cash you’re dumber than dirt.
I hope it gets done if they are paying #3 starter price because once you get past the hype machine thats exactly what he is a good #3.
No argument here. As long as the deal does not include Torres, Frazier or Sheffleld. Any other combination of 3 or 4 minor leaguers would be fair.
Nobody pay the fair price in trade.
Ya Oakland is SUCH a big market whose players get hyped up above what they are. Gray is far better than a #3, unless he’s on the Nats maybe.
2-3 depending on the Rotation quality and the Yankees don’t necessarily have depth, in a team like the Dodger he would fill in behind Kersh as a good foil, in Washington he would back end heavy a potent rotation whenever Strasburg is actually not injured.
It’s so frustrating to hear people use fantasy baseball rankings in real life. Sonny Gray is not a #3, he’s a boarderline ace and high end and solid #2. He’s the #1 on 50% of MLB teams and only a #3 on less than a handful. Sonny Gray should yield a return of multiple top 100 prospects, whether that happens remains to be seen, but he’s been sort of underrated by many commenters.
It’s so frustrating for me to hear A’s fans act as if he’s without his own blemishes. He has a 3.08 vs 4.04 H/R ERA split and a 2.92 vs 3.79 FIP split. His HR/9 is 0.44 at home and triple that on the road a 1.26. Why is that not something we should factor in? He benefits from the park he pitches in. Elite pitchers don’t have those kind of splits.
The same park that happens to be #6 in runs per game this season?
its not just the absolute value of a guy’s worth. its also the contract ($/WAR). look at what the Mike Leakes and Samardzijas of the world get in free agency.
now look at what gray is paid.
I never once said he was an elite pitcher, I said boarderline ace and a solid #2. So let’s take those FIP splits… He’s a top 20 SP at home and a top 50 on the road. So according to his FIP splits he is a solid #2 and including his team control he should receive a couple top 100 prospects. I think this Gray to the Yankees saga has everyone grumpy, me included.
I’d put Gray in line with Quintana could be ace of a lot of teams but top of the line no 2 guys, I dont know contract details on both but they should be similar value if contracts are similar at all. Gray actually has pitched in big games though and done pretty well, the 2014 final start of season was a huge game for the A’s to take the wild card spot and he locked it down.
Quintana has a lower ceiling, but also a higher floor. Gray at his best is better, but Quintana is extraordinarily consistent.
@Niekro and @hyrax finally some voices of reason on this thread!
I don’t think that’s true at all. I do agree that they are similar pitchers, but I’d take Quintana’s floor and ceiling over Gray’s.
What are you basing their ceilings off of? ERA? That’s the only thing Gray has ever had better than Quintana, and he had to outpitch his FIP by 3/4 of a run to get there (aka unsustainable). Quintana’s career low FIP is almost half a point lower than anything Gray has done since his limited rookie year. He has also struck out the same amount of guys for their careers, and that number has jumped significantly this year.
I know the sample size is small, but all you have to do is take a quick look at what he has done for the Cubs so far to see where Quintana’s ceiling really is. He’s going to be in the conversation for Cy Young’s in the near future (assuming voters get sick of voting for Kershaw every single year).
It’s funny how people just cling on to anyone who agrees with them as “voices of reason”.
You are my voice of reason Chesteraarthur. Thank you for being awesome.
The voice of reason comment was in reference to those not being hot takes of fan bloviating about what should/will happen. I happen to think Q is a better, more reliable pitcher than Gray but that is neither here nor there. Sonny Gray is a good pitcher with years of control left. The A’s should receive some pretty high regarded prospects and Q’s package provides a fairly good benchmark to a deal.
In a world where Teheran is our ace, Gray could be our Hall of Famer.
That is for sure.
for a. 500 team in 2018, then a contender in 2019, then gone.
Gray to ATL makes no sense.
I have no faith in Teheran at all. I am much more confident with Foltynewicz pitching. Foltynewicz obviously isn’t perfect but he’s been far more a consistent good performer than Teheran (so in my book he’s the staff’s best starter).
Gray is no doubt a #2 pitcher. He instantly becomes the Yankees best pitcher (or at worst, their second best pitcher). CC is old and while still pitching decently, he’s a #3/4 pitcher at best and Tanaka is too inconsistent (and just not good enough) to be a true ace.
Severino has been a lot better this season
Sigh. Tanaka and Gray are like the same age, with nearly identical career numbers and injury issues. So if Tanaka isn’t an ace, then Gray isn’t either.
But they are both solid #2 pitchers.
Ellsbury Cessa Caleb Smith and Chason Shrieve for Gray and Alonso
Yes …. I’m kidding.
I did just hear on MLB network that Harper is saying Cashman has the edge over Beane who will blink first. Hope he’s right.
Who’s Harper?
writer for the NY daily news
John Harper he’s referring to.
Thanks
So a NY writer is saying the GM from NY has the edge? Who would have thought
Let’s get these trades done. Cubs have been to the party and picked up already. Other teams just want to hang at the bar.
A’s don’t need to trade their rotation ace Gray… Sonny is the anchor of a very young but promising pitching staff…
Why hold assets when the team is projected to be bad for a while?
They will hold him if they don’t get what they want. Why trade him if it doesn’t help you get better? Getting a couple fringe top 150-200 prospects doesn’t make them better or alter the timeline of being good. Keep him as a fan favorite or wait till someone pays what you want. The fringe prospects will still be available next deadline or the one after that.
Please tell me who’s talking about fringe top 150-200 guys. Florial is a top 75 prospect according to Baseball America.
He has enough team control left. Look at what Texas is wanting for less than half a season of darvish. If gray keeps pitching well, he can get something better than what they are offering.
They won’t get better before his contract ends, just like the White Sox weren’t going to get good enough to contend before Quintana and Sale were due for massive raises. Trading Gray is smart, especially if they can find a solid prospect return for him.
They kinda do he’s been inconsistent and injury prone over his career
cmon yanks get it done!
Do you guys seriously think you can get past Houston in the playoffs?
Yes.
Anything can happen in the playoffs.
The Yanks might not make the playoffs,but if they get there anything can happen.
Houston needs to do some work to make it in the playoffs. Keuchel, McCullers and Harris are now question marks.
I’m not a Yankees fan, but anything *can* happen. Few people would seriously contend that the Yankees are a better overall team, but they’d only have to be the better team in a given week.
Cashman is so good. He is going to land Gray without giving up a top 100 prospect and the Brewers were going to have to give up Brinson plus just to get him.
You will probably be disappointed
Torres or Frazier or GTFO
Thanks Billyboy.
We need to start making side bets on how many of these deals actually get done. I got 20 that Gray is still an Oakland A come tonight, any takers?
I’d take it. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t get moved today
I think he’ll get moved today. Too risky to keep him through the end of the season. One DL stint and “poof” his value drops like a rock. You could argue his value won’t be higher in December than it is right now.
I wouldn’t normally take that bet but with Price going down, it gives Cashman a justifiable reason to overpay for this opportunity to get a guy to propel them past Boston.
I’m not a betting man, but if I were, I’d take that in a heartbeat. He and Darvish are the last difference makers available and some teams have struck out in their pursuit so far. Yankees, Brewers, and Astros have come up empty and there are other teams still trying to upgrade their rotation. I think the A’s will drag it out to the end and take the best deal available.
so tired of this just get the deal done or move on. Cant wait 4:00 for this to end.
Cashman will hold blue chips n not fold. We have many years ahead of us!! Also important rule 5 draft is nearing and yanks will def lose some prospects because they have more than they can protect.
Grndslam do you think the Yanks get Gray? Lol how crazy is this!!!!
Like last year they weren’t needed anyway. Why all of a sudden do I see people worried about the rule 5 draft.
Assume for a minute that Mateo isn’t on the 40 man roster. I don’t honestly know if he is or isn’t but for discussion sake say he isn’t. If he isn’t added than any team will have the ability to draft him and the Yankees will lose him … one of the guys legitimately discussed as a center piece of a deal for a pretty dam good mlb starter in gray … for nothing.
The hitch is say the padres take mateo in the draft he has to stay on their mlb roster for the entire year or returned for the yankees.
The point is the problem with how many prospects the yankees have gotten is they are facing numbers crunches deciding who exactly to keep and who exactly to expose. This is likely the ONLY reason the Yankees are as involved as they are. All of the other reasons are legit but the reality is the two prospects they gave to the twins for Garcia were on their 40 man roster and were going to be removed to make room for some of the others. Same thing with Clarkin who went to the White Sox. He was going to be exposed.
No matter how good the system, guys like Mateo would not be exposed to Rule 5.
I feel like Gray will be traded Last min or not at all. It will take just once domino to fall and big ones will follow
I say the Yanks get Gray at noon today.
I think Darvish goes first. I would be surprised if Gray doesn’t get moved, but I would think he’s one of the final guys traded.
I, too, will make the outlandish claim that today Sonny Gray will either be traded or not be traded!
Carfado reported that the Phillies were sniffing around Gray and that they ca and are willing to best the Yankees.
Lol Carfado look at wheres thats coming from a Red Sox source lol he’s making stuff up I don’t buy it.
With what?
My feeling now is that a trade is NOT going to happen. Mostly because the logistics no longer work. It should have been done last night. The A’s already pushed back Gray’s start yesterday to today. The Yankees are home and Severino is pitching. Unless I’m missing something, it just can’t happen at this point. They’re not going to push Severino back and slot in Gray immediately after flying 6 hours from CA. Not for a 7PM game. So really, what gives. The A’s are messing around too much on this. The trade would have to happen in the next 30 minutes and get Gray on a plane or something. I don’t get it. I don’t like messing around with pitchers like this and their routine and scheduled pitching days.
It will get done Beane just has a huge ego and taking it down to the wire like this gets him off he’s a sick puppy with a lot of problems no wonder that franchise is a mess and has been for awhile him doing what hes doing now just confirms my point.
You’re a fool.
taking it down to the wire is good business so long as Cashman is willing to be patient.
So Beane just takes whatever trash Cashman offers or Beane is mentally ill.
I think you’re projecting your mental ineptitude onto Beane.
Not a chance you momma’s boy Beane just hates the Yankees if this was another team he wouldn’t be dragging this out and stringing them out like he’s doing to Cashman, I hope Beane gets hit by a bus walking across the street he deserves too sick of this guy already you ain’t nothing special jerk off I don’t blame Josh Donaldson for hating this tool bag because that’s exactly what he is.
I guess the Yanks could still acquire him and have him pitch tomorrow night (Tuesday), but I don’t know. Is being pushed back two days from your routine bad?
easy problem to solve. he skips and turn and pitches thursday in cleveland instead of garcia
or
they move montgomery out of the bullpen and he pitches friday in cleveland
What is with the down votes on this forum? Are smart people that write coherent and well thought out comments not welcome?
Because you’re not making sense. You think a trade won’t happen just because they pushed back his start? The Yanks don’t care, just skip this start if need be. Extra rest would be fine with them.
An extra day or two of rest isn’t going to adversely affect Gray’s pitching or the decision making on a potential deal. You may have worded things well but the basis for the reasoning of your logic was faulty. Hence you got several down votes.
I don’t think Sonny Gray is an ace. He’s 29th in WAR for the past 2.5 years. That even trails Micheal Pineda who most people, both non Yankee and Yankee fans, would call a mid rotation starter at best (if he were healthy)
From 2015-2017
Player A – 432.2 innings, 9.46 K/9, 1.98 BB/9, 7.7 WAR. ERA/FIP/xFIP – 4.56/3.82/3.26
Player B – 422 innings, 7.61 K/9, 2.79 BB/9, 6.6 WAR, ERA/FIP/XFIP – 3.71/3.74/3.72
Player A is Michael Pineda
Plaeyr B is Sonny Gray
With that being said, since his ERA at least is extremely close to his FIP/xFIP, and since he’s under control, I do think he’s a pitcher the Yankees should go after. If it means giving up a top OFer and a pitcher, who won’t be in the bigs by next year, so be it.
The stats that matter are lower and gray is better now than he was last year
You’re kinda cherry-picking stats. Gray had a really bad year last year which skews those numbers, but when he’s right he’s far better than Pineda. In Pineda you’re talking about someone who is consistently average, not someone with a high ceiling who had one rough season to skew his numbers.
I got a funny feeling the Braves or Phillies will swoop in at the last second and nab Gray.
The A’s would gladly take Acuna & Anderson from the Braves or Moniak & Sanchez from the Phils.
Acuna wouldn’t be going in a deal. Anderson and a small piece or two should be plenty.
No Acuna No Deal. A’s want top outfield prospects.
No deal then lmao gray can stick with y’all till the offseason. Acuna is better than any spec y’all have, and he’s going exactly nowhere in a trade for Gray.
Then Coppy will pass. Acuna is the future behind Kemp and Markakis when they move on.
Fair enough. We’ll see what happens.
The A’s waiting for a Quintana type return as they should be.
They can wait for that. They won’t get that. I’ve loved Sonny since his Vandy days. He’s not worth what Q is worth.
If the Athletics are waiting for a Quintana type deal then they won’t get it. While both are similar type pitchers Quintana has a full extra season of control than Quintana. I think that the best the A’s can hope for logically is about 30% less than Quintana fetched.
Lol I’m sure they wold bt A’s fans are delusional if they think they are getting Acuna, let alone Acuna +. Acuna is starting to be seen as a top 3 prospect in baseball at 19 years old and already mashing in AAA. He’s someone that would be in a package for Slae/Kershaw. Not Sonny Gray.
Quintana brought back #7 overall Eloy & #67 overall Cease.
Gray should bring back a similar return or no deal. That is why Beane is holding out.
The Braves have 7 players in the top 100, I’m sure there are desirable pieces available without moving Acuna.
Quintana >>>> Gray (not in 2017, but for the last few years overall)
I’ve got a feeling you’re going to be disappointed with the return for Gray. He’ll get a haul to be sure, but I doubt it’ll be better than what the ChiSox got for Quintana.
Ha you’re probably right. I’ll be disappointed no matter what the return is but I do think his value is comparable to Quintana. I understand Q has 1 extra year of control so there’s that but Sonny has more successful big game experience (Playoff Game 1 vs. Tigers & Wild Card clincher game vs. Rangers).
I agree
Acuna is going no where for anyone. I am not sure I would trade him straight up for Gray. He is that special a player
Acuna is going nowhere thank god, they want Ozzie and Ian Anderson or Wentz..then do it
I think the Braves are getting overlooked here. They’ve scouted Gray more than any other team – 7 times. They’ve saved $4m+ in the Garcia deal and have been know to seek another controllable arm. The question will be whether or not they are willing to part with Albies to make the deal. IMO, Acuna should be not be part of any package.
Shhh….I’d be surprised to see Florial the key to the deal, but Pache could be included for ATL, while having a SP as key to the deal. They get upside OF along with SP, with other parts.
They should not trade for Gray if it means dealing Acuna or Albies. Oakland is looking for position players so I don’t think Atlanta is the match. Young pitching is what Atlanta has an abundance of.
And outside of Albies and Acuna I don’t know that they have the positional pieces to get it done. Pache is a nice piece but would a contender not beat anything centered around him?
Where is the boss? Steinbrenner would not hesitate to trade for A’s Gray, pricy prospects or else, period…
as much as I loved the boss he was too short sighted. Torres and Sheffield would be gone by now. Of course they would have never been here because George would have never sold Chapman and Miller.
Yank fans continue to bash Gray but if the Yanks get him they will immediately change their story to he is a ace and stole him from the A’s. Homerism 101
100% accurate
Similar to the way the A’s fans are criticizing the Yanks minor leaguers. If the deal gets done then the A’s will suddenly have gotten future hall of famers.
You don’t know A’s fans. None of the prospects the A’s want are top HOF prospects. They are pieces to a team. Prospects are like stocks some fail and some surprise but most fail. Frazier is the only prospect that is a sure thing major league player. The rest all have question marks. I would rather see the A’s wait for a better player that would impact the team. Adams should be a solid starter and Sheffield looks like he could be a good player but many other pieces could only be 4th outfielders or utility players.
You’re overstating the obvious. Not all prospects will ever make it to the majors just as not all pitchers with an injury history will stay healthy. It’s a risk either way. Adams is a good prospect although he hasn’t been brought up due to control & command issues. I’d rather see the Yanks wait to find a starter in the off season than overpay now.
Darvish is the cheaper option if Gray fails to go through. I just don’t see Gray deal going through if all reports are correct and only offer is a couple of mid level prospects offered.
Well, we”ll see soon enough, but I’m not sure Yu Darvish ends up clearly cheaper to acquire than Sonny Gray. I wouldn’t doubt for a second that whomever is the headliner prospect to acquire Darvish is generally seen as a better prospect than whomever helms the Gray deal, for example.
I’m glad braves are keeping acuna
Billy please don’t mess this up. Really hoping we can get Florial as well as Mateo, or else I say hold onto him until the offseason.
Floril,Wade,Andujar plus Abrue should get Gray. Anything else Cash should pass and continue the youth movement! JMO
That is way, way too much for Gray. Gray is a #3 with the upside of quality #2 if he’s healthy and at his best.
That said the best offer I would give the A’s is
Jorge Mateo
Jake Cave or Billy MvKinney or Garrett Cooper
Domingo Acevedo or Albert Abreu
Jorge Guzman or Freicer Perez or Dillion Tate
Thario Estrada
Those 5 for Gray and Alonso…..take it or leave it.
The question that should be asked is why Oakland so bullish on dealing him now with 2 more seasons beyond this season? Why now, why not this offseason or next trade deadline? Maybe just maybe the know that he’s a ticking timebomb who’s arm could go BOOM!!! at any time.
Beane can’t hang up on you fast enough. GTFO
Knowing the athletics want a young centerfielder as part of a gray package, theo is just waiting in the bushes…
If you’re implying Almora, he’s a really weak centerpiece
Oakland would want more than that and the Cubs don’t have the pieces to get it done with all the prospects they traded for Chapman, Quintana, and now Wilson and Avila.
Gray is a #2-3 with a significant injury history. Trap, lat, forearm on and on, The best predictor of future injuries is past injuries. I wouldn’t give up any top prospects for him and if I acquired him I would expect him to spend a significant amount of time on the DL between now and 2019. With his injury history and erratic performance (maybe due to injury), I believe most GMs would view him as unreliable and a major risk.
Duquette is on MLB radio saying he’s thinking it’s either Florial or Mateo and either Adams or Sheffield headlining the deal.
Florial or Mateo I’m ok with.
Adams or Sheffield I’m not. I’d rather not get Gray than lose Sheffield or Adams
Agree with you on Adams and Sheffield and I hope Mateo is out as well! He can play all over the field with more pop than Wade!
I like Mateo alot but with so many other outfielders that is the best position to feel the pain it will take to get Gray. Mateo looks like Billy Hamilton with a better .avg and obp
I don’t believe the A’s are going to get market value for Gray. I believe the package they get will be less than what the Cubs gave up for Q, which was steep but the market price. I think if the A’s had it to do over again, they would’ve taken that same package from Chicago. Rick Hahn came back to Theo, got ahead of the curve,and got yet another huge haul. He’s really shown himself to be a savvy GM.
Completely agree
Can’t imagine the Cubs would’ve given up that same haul for Gray though.
Florial, Mateo, Sheffield or Adams and McKinney should get it done. Or even Florial, Sheffield or Adams, Cave and McKinney.
Lol. GTFO
our bullpen blew 18 leads so far, only 16 all of last season, our problem has not been starting pitching. Had we fixed the bullpen back in June we would be 9 games in front, suffice to say we have fixed it and we are back in first. Gray is a nice piece for a reasonable price, but not worth top prospects that can bring back better gains during the winter meeting.
I’m an A’s fan and have said for months that Gray won’t be moved. However here are the two likely scenarios: #1 Yanks get Gray and he becomes an unhittable ace. #2 The A’s hang onto Gray and before the season is over he goes down with Tommy John Surgery needed.
#1 – I hope your right
#2 – I hope your wrong …. about the TJS part. I wouldn’t wish that on Gray or the A’s
Alonso going to be included in a deal w Yankees or what?
This deal will get done. I prefer Mateo over Florial, but it’s sounds like both may have to go along with pitching prospects. Tate and Abreu sound good to me. Is Alonso part of the trade??
The A’s could add Cassilla and Alonso in the deal for better prospect return.
Keep Casilla as the Yankees have just about no need for another bullpen arm.
“gaining more traction” , “still not at the finish line, but becoming more than less likely now.” What the hell are you talking about Sherman? which is it?
This is what happens when you drink too much red bull
All this hesitation over a bunch of rookies… A’s Gray is am ACE… Where is the Boss Steinbrenner??
Bahahaha “Ace”… c’mon now. He’s a #2 or #3 on a good team.
Sunny Grey is getting ready for a Tommy John
Grome, Chavis, Travis,,Ockmey, Swihart for Gray and Alonso?
Nope
Why not?
ATL makes no sense to me.
sure, hes locked through 2019. ATLs window is likely 2019-2023. why sacrifice top prospects for a guy who will (maybe, pitchers are fickle) help in 1 competitive year.
TBH I hope that Atlanta agrees with your line of reasoning for now. At most I’d offer something along the lines of Anderson, Wentz, Pache and Cumberland (or Jackson). That is a top 60, and two prospects that are probably in the top 150 and one in probably top 500 (harder to get a bead on the placement for Jackson and Cumberland no matter which of the two were taken).
I am using the Quintana trade as a basis but Gray has only 2+ years of control instead of 3+ (so should be roughly 33% less value). Many people forget that the last two players in the Quintana deal are basically non prospects. That definitely couldn’t be said in the package I mentioned. Of course we have no EXACT idea of what it would take.
I don’t see either Acuna or Albies included in any deal for Gray (Fulmer or Stroman deals yes).
Stroman = overrated
I think it will be Adams or Sheffield + Florial or Mateo + two decent but lower prospects (anyone’s guess). Not sure if Alonso will be in deal, but I think he could help the team.
Severino is having an ace year too, but to me to be an ace you have to do it for 3 years straight like Kershaw and Scherzer.
Hopefully the A’s push for Florial, Sheffield, and Mateo. The Yankees are trading Torres or Frazier. Frazier is there starting outfielder and contributing now so you can forget about getting Frazier. I just hope the A’s hold the Yankees feet to the fire and get a good payout.
“Are not”
Don’t hold your breath
Cashman don’t get beat and those that leave he worked it out . There coming back for cash soon.
Lol @ all the Yankees fans who don’t want to give up anything for Gray. Oakland asking Frazier or Torres is extremely reasonable. Gray is a very good pitcher with multiple years of control. He should at least warrant a similar return to what Chicago got for Quintana
reasonable …. not reasonable doesn’t matter because It will never happen.
That is correct. No Torres & no Frazier.
Ahhh Cubs learned there lessons you don’t trade with Cashman Yanks.
The reported asking price is florial and Mateo as headliners plus others. That’s not a high asking price at all. The only top 100 is floral at 91. If Yankees don’t want that then pound sand. Way more than fair for gray.
Hey Nolan….maybe you need to “pound salt”!
Florial and Mateo plus others (plural) for a pitcher coming off a suspect injury year is a warning sign that here may be worse to come. If his injury history was more than a full year behind him then I would tend to agree with you, he’s proven he’s okay, but from a Yankees perspective, the worse thing that could happen was we make a multiple player trade, and Gray goes Tommy John this year or next.
The Yankees are being cautious and rightfully so. Also, they value prospects which is their prerogative if they feel they can actually be major league players.
The majors are full of Yankee prospects that are starting for other teams. The Yankees incentive is that they can’t protect all their prospects given the 40 man, and they risk losing some to Rule 5.
You know Rocky you are right the same thing happened to the Red Sox when they had the best farm system but the thing is just like the Red Sox you can’t play them all and at some point the Yankees are going to have to determine there expendable quality prospects. What the Yankees have to do is determine if this is a quality use of assets. There is a cost for using those assets right now because it will make them less likely to be able to upgrade in the future. GM’s have a tough job you have the Cherington’s of the world that was a prospect higher and never wanted to trade his carefully cultivated farm system and you have the DD’s of the world who know they are exependable assets that can be used in the right deal to get the right piece the question is, is Gray that piece for the Yankees?
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I agree.
Adams (#61), Florial (#90), Acevedo, and Solak for Gray/Alonso
Love Adams as a potential Gray replacement, Florial looks to me like a young Granderson type, Acevedo has closer potential, and Solak could be our new Ellis/Scutaro
Meanwhile Yankees get an ace (I think Gray and Tanaka are on roughly the same level when healthy) and get a hard hitting LH 1B who will have a nice RF porch and dominates RHP.
Why would the Yanks trade two pitchers a year away from the bigs for one pitcher with only 2 or 3 years of control? Especially given that they may still need two more starters next year. I’d be shocked if they trade Adams.
Mainly because they are trying to win now, and there’s no guarantee what Adams or Acevedo will become. Acevedo looks destined for the pen, while Adams might need a year or two to adjust to the MLB (if he does – though I’m pretty sure he will).
It fits both teams’ timelines better, IMO.
As for next year, I think they’ll do what they do best, and that’s sign people in free agency. If they opt against retaining Tanaka, and they don’t trade for Gray.. who’s their frontline starter? Montgomery? No matter what they are going to be needing starters and delving into free agency.. I dont think Adams/Acevedo impact those plans at all
Ever heard of luis severino? Definite frontline starter top 5 in Al whip strikouts and era
I did totally blank on him actually. I keep mixing up him and Pineda in terms of who’s having TJ surgery, my bad.
Still lots of room on the Yankees frontline though… and outside of stars in down years (Darvish, Arrieta) there isn’t much to go through in free agency.
I agree the Yankees need a solid 2/3 starter like sonny gray. But the Yankees still need someone like chance adams for next year maybe someone farther down like Acevedo with Mateo/Florial and 2 other prospects in the 15-25 range gets it done
Could see that, especially if the other prospects are projected SPs (and at least one probably on the younger side, like 19-20 y/o). Acevedo IMO projects to be a pen arm akin to Betances, and Beane tends to like getting starting pitchers back
Maybe a freicer Perez (15) and Dillon Tate (18) with Acevedo (10) and Florial/Mateo (5/8) gets it done and you receive 3 pitchers and a Cf for the future
Severino is having an ace year too, but to me to be an ace you have to do it for 3 years straight like Kershaw and Scherzer.
In today’s market is Sonny Gray worth multiple very good prospects (i.e. Mateo and Florial) plus? Yes. Will the Yankees pay that price? No. Yankees are thinking long term roster and finances and not just short term playoff possibilities.
Then there shouldn’t even be a discussion if that was the case. No reason that asking for florial and Mateo as headliners should hold anything up. You always want to get the best value possible but that’s just being outright hard headed. We will see what happens but giving up one top of 100 (91) and a few more decent to good depth pieces isn’t too much to ask for.
I’d rather have McKinney than Solak. The A’s need outfielders.
Yankees are only a half game up. They should sell
How about three way deal? Gray to Redsox, Redsox send a lefty under control (Rodriquez or Pomeranz) to a 3rd team and a mid tier prospect to Oakland, third team sends high level prospect (s) to Oakland. Redsox need to swap a lefty for a righty.
So Red Sox give up a crappy starter and a mid tier prospect for sonny gray and the third team gives up a high level prospect for the Red Sox crappy starter (erod/pomeranz)
Yup except Pom would be the 2nd best starter on the Yankees. Pom has been very good not a crappy starter and Erod has a ton of value at least as much as those Yankee prospects.
Maybe erod 2 years ago when he got Andrew miller not erod now this player is not a centerpiece for a deal. Pom is an average 3/4 starter don’t hype him up to be anything else. He is not solid 2 pitcher like Quintana was he is a 3 at best.
Not sure how the logic that Gray with two less months of service on his contract and the Yankees most likely out of the bidding thus lowering the bidding level of prospective talent will some how net the A’s a better return during the winter meeting.
Our 2nd and 3rd level prospects are better than most other teams top level so Beane will never get better than he is getting now or he would have gotten it already..
You really are in the dark!
Looks like A’s are moving on to the Brewers. Even without Brinson they have Ray and a few top prospects to send over. Phillips would be a good add in on the deal. They have quality starters that could make the package without Brinson better than what the NYY are offering.
I think the only way the Brewers get in is with Brinson though.. A’s seem to be pitting the Brewers and others (Braves, Indians, maybe LAD?) to get the Yankees to give up the best prospects available. So either the A’s are gunning for Florial + Mateo as headline pieces, or (IMO) they are trying to get Adams included with one of those guys.
I would rather have a package of prospects from the Brewers. They have other OF help and some good young starters so if Cashman sticks to his Mateo and Florial only plan Yanks are left out. A’s are not set on Mateo since his lack of defense.
Who can translate this
“I don’t know much about baseball, but please upvote me so I can feel good about myself.”
so many boneheads, who think they understand the market. Why would some small market team trade away 3 or more prospects that they typically build their future on for one pitcher who in a couple of years will test the free agent market. Most of the big market teams have drained their farm system. It a rare alignment of stars when the Yankees have a deep system too, they are never sellers, until last year. Gray has a checkered health history, anybody who doesn’t factor that in is just talking nonsense.
Lesson to small market teams, when you spend all your money on one player(aka Seattle) or trade away your best prospects, you end up a perennial after thought like San Diego
Before trade:
A’s fan: Gray is a #1 we want Torres, Florial, Mateo, and the entire A+ roster
Yankees fan: Gray is overrated and no better than a #3, only give Florial for Gray/Alonso.
After trade:
A’s fan: Thank god we got rid of that overrated #3! Florial and Mateo are a great haul!
Yankees fan: Thank you Cashman, we got our ace– Yankees WS champs! Florial and Mateo were borderline anyway.
True assessment
Funny stuff……but pretty much the truth in any trades
Brewers and cubs making a push
Where are the dodgers in these talks I’m almost positive they are talking to them to acquire him
Look I know Theo keeps saying nobody from the core will be dealt but let’s be honest, they can only play so many free swingers at once. Baez and Schwarber are terrible contact hitters. Maddon was furious over it this week. 17 strikeouts in 2 games yet they won both. Also with Zobrist stinking the place out they need pitching to help carry them. Give up one of them and just move on we need Gray
Schwarber Funny stuff pal..lol
If the Yankees are turning down a deal involving Florial and Mateo, then the Cubs have enough to land Gray. A package of Almora and Caratini with another mid-level prospect easily matches the trade the Yankees reportedly turned down.
Rumors are if Cashman sticks to his package other teams are going to trump it easily. Cubs, Brewers, and Dodgers are getting ready for a late deal at deadline. Cashman is getting nervous.
So much for your rumors
Agreed. Right after we heard the Cubs were still interested in Gray after the Quintana trade, I said a package of Almora and their top pitching prospect plus a couple warm bodies would be enough for Gray. I’m still sticking to that.
Couple of typos but I get what you meant. But let’s not poo hoo at Florial who’s ranked #71 and Mateo who was on the pre-season list but slipped off the mid-season report. It’s not like they aren’t legit prospects.
They are legit prospects. I’m not discounting them. But Almora was ranked inside the top-60 heading into the season before losing his prospect status. And Caratini has some value as well – not as much as Mateo, but still enough where another mid-level prospect could make up the difference. And let’s not forget this, the offer only needs to be comparable to the Yankees offer because the Yankees reportedly turned down the proposal.
Ok A’s fans your not getting yankees 1-3top prospects so forgot about it . Mateo , florial and probably 2 top 15-20 prospects gets it done
We pass on the deal. A’s want quality over quanity.
I don’t think the A’s pass on it, though. Reports say they asked for Florial and Mateo but were turned down.
Sonny Gray is an oxymoron.
Yankees made a trade with the Orioles to free up a spot on the 40 man roster. That’s two free slots on the 40-man roster from the Garcia trade and this trade. Something is about to go down.
Fowler, Kaprielian, and Mateo?
Cashman did it again Beane one out of 3 is healthy You need fired. .Good thing Trump not your boss your Fired. Cashman a baseball Thug
consider my posts an education.….next time don’t respond with silly quips…… just throw money for my services