With the non-waiver trade deadline closing in, here’s the latest chatter on Rangers ace Yu Darvish…
- Ken Rosenthal of MLB Network has the latest on Darvish. It’s said to be unclear whether the veteran would waive his no-trade protection, though of the teams with known interest only the Indians would need authorization to acquire him. There remains a mystery team in on Darvish, and the Rangers still think they’ll make a deal despite the lack of evident progress thus far.
Yesterday’s Updates
- Cleveland has indeed spoken to Texas about Darvish, as Grant suggested, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets.
- ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that the Yankees “aren’t really that involved” in talks for Darvish.
- Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the Rangers are “more sold than ever” that they will trade Darvish. The Dodgers and Yankees are the two likeliest landing spots, though a trade isn’t likely to be announced on Sunday. Rangers GM Jon Daniels and other execs met with Darvish last weekend to explain to him the possibility that he’d be traded, Wilson continues. Texas hopes to trade Darvish to a contending club and re-sign him, and while Wilson reports that the right-hander has told the team he hopes to continue his career with them, he also is curious to see what the open market will bear.
- MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan also tweets that the Dodgers and Yankees are both in on Darvish, but he hears there’s a third team in the mix that no one anticipated. (Hooray for the mystery team!) The Cubs aren’t heavily involved in Darvish talks, according to Wilson (Twitter link). Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News speculates that the Indians could be interested (Twitter links). Grant also notes that the Astros have expressed interest, though the Rangers feel that would be the toughest deal to complete.
Do the Indians have any solid prospects? Haven’t seen much about their farm system
Several, but most notably Mejia and McKenzie. But this is a dumb speculation on Grant’s part, being that we already are having to deal with a 6-man rotation.
Have to assume the Indians would want to put Clevinger or Bauer in the deal, and send the other to the pen for the remainder of the season
If they are to trade for a Starter, at least
Is Darvish a rental? If so, there is no way Cleveland even considers it…
Having Salazar back helps tremendously- they need to shore up the bullpen with another lefty.
So true, a 6 week rental with no compensation when he walks. How many starts do they get out of him 6? And it would take their top prospects to get there. Salazar came back strong, Kluber and Carrasco are very solid, so this isn’t a real need.
This is a team that would’ve won the World Series last year if they had one more pitcher … just saying.
If there wasn’t a rain delay they probably win the World Series anyways. Maybe the Indians should invest in a retractable roof??
If Chapman isn’t overworked there is no extra innings. There is never a tie game. Rajai Davis never hits the most exciting irrelevant home run in world series history. And I’m a cubs fan. Saying this. I’ve since recovered from my.heart skipping about 15 beats and flat lining.
And they had that need going into the trade deadline and didn’t fill it? Maybe they ought to trade for a crystal ball so they can predict their starter would screw his hand up playing with his drone…
2 of their top 3 pitchers were out/injured during last years playoffs. I don’t see Darvish pitching ahead of Carrosco and Salazar in the playoffs (and certainly not ahead of Kluber).
Some teams have 60 games left. That’s 12 starts for Darvish, maybe 13 if you cut down the rotation on off days
They blow
Yeah 1st place in Central and they blow…..
Sorry only one Cashman and that’s enough deal and pre plan to being back
Tyler Naquin, and Jeff Shaw. Please take them…
Yanks pick up Darvish and him and Tananka run the AL East into the ground
If Tanaka could keep anything on the ground, he wouldn’t have a 5+ ERA.
bonus points to you sir!
Absolutely brilliant!!
Wow the standard to be brilliant really has lowered a lot.
I concur…
Two of the most overrated pitchers in the league and they’re going to carry the Yanks…. Hmmmm…
Who’s overrating them? Idiot
best reply ever seen, hands down, lol
Best comment I have seen today haha.
Sent him to the Yankees and his sidekick will be Tananka
And bring back Dice-K too!! Best rotation ever!
Dont leave out the fat toad!
the fat toad killed himself some years back
Mystery team is probably the Royals believe it or not. They’re cruising right now and it would make sense to pick up a strong rental to give this another shot before they lose a lot of players to higher salaries, etc. On paper, it makes sense for the Royals to throw it all out there this season if they think they can bag another WS or deep playoff run.
Agree make more sense than any other team.
no… I think its Baltimore …
there thinking that there last chance is n0w….by the way im a die hard Red Sox fan ty very much….
I don’t think they have the prospects tho. Not a royals fan but that would be fun to see them make a big move like that
Nats…?
It will be either of those two that land Darvish the real mystery is who lands Gray. And you can always count on Theo to make a big splash this time of year. Nobody but nobody so the Quintana deal coming here’s betting another is on the way, can you say Zach Britton?
Mystery team is the Astros.
Since the Astros are named in the article, that hardly makes them a mystery team.
Mystery team is the brewers… gonna get Lucroy and Darvish in one big blockbuster deal
mystery team is Cincinnati.
That’s interesting
Give us back Lewis Brinson and more
That be hard to do since Luc is a Rockie
My guess: mystery team is the Rockies, for Darvish and Lucroy. They have a logjam of MLB ready prospects. Could be combo of Dahl/Tapia/Mcmahon – all top 100 but blocked, and interesting MLB ready pieces like Tauchman, Patterson, Murphy (makes sense for Lucroy) also mashing at AAA, and other lower level upside players.
I’ll take it
No it’s the Padres. Gotta be the Padres as the mystery team
Mystery team is the Phillies haha just kidding. We just want to let our prospects waste away in the minors
My money is on Houston being the mystery team.
Mystery team could also be the Red Sox as they could use a moral booster of some sort. Most people seem to feel they’re going to sputter to the finish line. I too see them as an 84-85 win team. But adding Darvish would certainly boost them up, even if entirely unnecessary.
If he can hit, pitching is not the problem in Boston
Nah they good was just at the game last night, Nunez has brought them back they just need relievers badly
Nunez is not going to bat .700 for the rest of the year.
They need more bats than just him.
He’s a fill-in to give guys breaks and play Third if Deavers doesn’t cut it this year.
Sounds to me that the market for Darvish is evaporating and the Rangers are leaking “mystery team” rumors to try and get the Dodgers to bid against themselves. Yankees were the only other team really in it and it sure sounds like they’ve moved on… rangers better hurry up and take what they can get before they’re left holding Darvish with nothing to show for it after the deadline…
Yankees were never in on Darvish. And I’m not saying that like I know something someone else doesn’t. It logically never made sense for the Yanks with the cost versus the return. Yanks are not interested in rentals right now. Unless, like Garcia, who was basically free. Back end lefty groundballer in Yankee stadium for free. You sign up for that type of deal. Little and Enns were both gone in the off season anyway, so it’s moot.
Why would Littell and Enns have been gone in the offseason? That seems like a strange assumption and one I highly doubt.
40 man roster crunch. Both would need to be protected or potentially lost in Rule 5 draft. Yanks have better prospects that need to be protected.
40-man. They couldn’t protect them and they’d have surely been picked in the Rule 5.
So called mystery team is CLE but they are on Darvish’s No Trade Kist.
Why do dodgers fans always come up with these conspiracy theories when they are interested in a player. If Teams always made up a “mystery team” being involved I don’t think the dodgers would ever fall for it since this is at least the third heavily rumored trade in recent memory that dodger fans have cried conspiracy on the other team making up suitors.
Could see Tampa swooping in and getting Darvish as the most shocking mystery team ever. They’ve been uncharacteristically aggressive at this deadline and could deal something like Jesus Sanchez, Austin Franklin, and Lucius Fox.
I considered them but they can’t afford to make “go for it” trades in that market.
Already been real aggressive acquiring couple players….for bein Tampa Bay, plus u only have to pay em for a few months….
Rangers trade Yu Darvish, Carlos Gomez to Dodgers for Franklin Gutierrez and Rich Hill
I agree mystery team is just to drive up the cost.. if the dodgers can re sign darvish in the off season then that deal makes sense.
We don’t need Gomez and I’d rather have Hill in a playoff game than Darvish so not sure what the thought process is here.
Well stated!
Come on, any deal that would take Gutierrez off our hands has to be at least considered! 😉
I think the rangers want prospects, and I don’t think the dodgers want to lose rich hill
Darvish and Lucroy to the Brewers for Diaz, Dubon, Peralta and Phillips.
Be nice if the Brewers get Lucroy back… And turn him in to the bullpin catcher.
Nahhhh. Marcus Hanel > Jonathan Lucroy.
Lucroy to Cleveland…LOL
That’s to much for a rental and a backup catcher.
Pull off a Chapman-esque trade, JD. Deal him for assets, then turn around and resign him at year’s end.
We must be looking at two entirely different pitchers. I’m looking at a mid rotation Darvish, one that hasn’t pitched more than 144 innings since 2013 (yeah, it’s been a while), and a guy who really hasn’t been sharp all season or spotty with a ERA north of 4.
Two totally different rentals in Chapman and Darvish with different degrees of motivation from buyers. Weirdly I can’t even suggest what Darvish would obtain in a trade, but what I do know is that people are way, WAY off on what he could get. Definitely not 1 or 2 top prospect types from any team. No way.
You miss read. You can’t compare the in-season performances of a SP to a RP, period. It’s unfair to both players. I’m referring to mid season/ off season trade scenario that Darvish could be in, similar to Chapman. A lot of people on this board keep saying that what TX is asking in return is unrealistic, but the reality is that both trades made, and off-season signings in terms of money always seem unrealistic and insane, but they happen. You pay to play, or you end up with nothing.
You realize he’s been sharp but had like 2 bad starts that screwed his ERA right? It was only 3.4 before the last game, other than that and 1 other game he basically hasn’t allowed more than 3 runs
Darvish was having & recovering from TJ surgery during the missing time, you should know that. His ERA is 4.01 – your North of 4 remark is a little stupid.
His ERA jumped more than 1/2 Run with his last outing due to tipping his FB – fixed.
Rangers get a package with Brinson going back and some others
Brewers get Darvish and lucroy
lol Sterns would never trade Brinson for rentals
He never trade him for Gray let alone Darvis lol n Luc a Rockie. Are all these fans on crack or something.
This proposal is so laughable it’s not even funny.
No way Brinson is traded for a rental and backup catcher he won’t offered in any trade.
I mean that’s true they are rentals but let’s be honest… Brewers are gonna be 3/4 every year in the end in that division, with or without Brinson… sorry guys just reality. Might as well capitalize on a underwhelming NL central. But just keep Brinson since you guys apparently don’t want to trade him for any pitcher(Gray, Darvish) then maybe he does turn into a star and then he leaves MIL when he’s a FA… Oh and still no Postseason appearances cause the NL Central won’t be mediocre again next year or after.
In other words the brewers are still gonna be the brewers with/without Brinson…
Kind of like Darvish has turned into a star and is leaving Texas as a FA? And Texas has nothing to show for it?
When he leaves Texas they get something; if they trade him and then leaves that team that team gets nothing. Therefore, what Texas trades him for must be better than the compensation pick they’ll get in return from MLB.
clearly you dont actually follow baseball lol. your trade proposal was bad and you should feel bad.
If Brewers refuse to trade Brinson for Gray no way they offer him for Darvish who is a free agent at the end of the year.
the Rich get Richer. the Dodgers get Darvish…the Rockies get Lucroy…& Rangers get a prospects from both teams & cash in a three team deal…don’t count out the Cubs or. D-Backs 2
Mystery team the Rockies? Combo package of Lucroy and Darvish would help them a lot.
Darvish can and would block that deal.
I could see that especially with the rumors around Lucroy to the Rockies. They really do not have a true ace on their team.
I’ll throw out 3 possible mystery teams. Milwaukee, Boston, Cleveland
Then again 50% of the time the mystery team is complete bs thrown out by the seller to make buyers nervous.
Mystery teams are a team the REPORTER isn’t aware of. That doesn’t mean that the teams involved are unaware.
Mystery team is likely KC but they won’t be able to match the offers that NYY and LAD could make. We’ll see how serious LAD and NYY are about not spending too much soon. As a Ranger fan, I’m hoping we can do what NYY did last year, get some valuable pieces for the farm and resign Yu in FA.
Mystery team is Nippon Ham Fighters. Darvish to Hokkaido for Shohei Otani.
Mystery team the SF Giants!! It’s all over KNBR ! LOL According to the orange clowns they are making a huge second have push !
Shaikin on the improvements make thus far by the NL teams the Dodgers are likely to face in the postseason:
latimes.com/sports/mlb/la-sp-dodgers-trade-deadlin…
Verdict: everybody but the Dodgers have done something to upgrade, which he rates from “minimal” (Brewers) to “huge” (D’backs).
Mystery team is the Rockies! Just wait and see
Doesn’t matter who gets darvish and or Lucroy. Both are just rentals. The mystery team is just to drive up the price. It’s like a good game of poker or chess. Got to know when hold,fold or bluff… Darvish is like Chapman last year.. aquire him as a rental post season hope…. Then maybe get an ok performance. He then goes to free agent where Texas like the Yankees last year re sign . Lucroy is a rental who goes fa in October then signs a huge deal,becomes a bust AGAIN. So in the end Texas wins the game,gets what they want and starts the 2018 season
I predict this trade never gets made if the Rangers want either of our two top prospects. I think it’s insane to pay that high of a price for ANY rental like Darvish. Standing pat won’t bother me any as these guys are 40+ over .500 at the trade deadline. We have some more great talent coming up, let’s hope we hang on to them.
What about Seattle or Tampa as the mystery teams? Seattle doesn’t have much to give though to get Darvish.
while I would love to see some of the names that have been bandied about actually get traded, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see most of them just stay put. As “fantasy” leagues have made the fans aware of even the most lowly prospect, heightening the backlash of public opinion, its become harder to trade someone the public never heard of. Heaven forgive the GM that trades away the next Xander Boegarts, because fans never think they are trading away the next Tim Beckham or Jackson Profar. (or Rob Refsnyder).
The Dodgers have been spot on with evaluating their farm system. Holding onto Seager and Bellanger and not being tempted to move them for aging players.
I admit to being just as guilty as most Dodger fans in that we want them to get everyone right now. Forget about tomorrow and the farm system. Until tomorrow arrives and we find ourselves looking like the Angels with an aging ball club and a depleted farm system.
I may not always agree with Friedman and Co, but 73-31 does not happen by accident. These guys know what they’re doing and if they pass on Darvish, I trust their judgement.
I agree with waverider. As a fan, though, I’d prefer to pass on Darvish. He’s not pitching all that well and seems to want to return to Texas next year. I wouldn’t give up any of our top three prospects for that. But I do defer to the FO on this, and not just because I have no choice in the matter.
Darvish has been dominant all season outside of his last start and one or two others. He’s given up more than 3 runs only 5 times in 22 starts (Just as a comparison….Kershaw has had 4 such games in 21 starts this season). Two of those were 4 runs. If you think he’s not pitching well, you aren’t paying attention.
I could see Arizona as a possible mystery team.
Imagine the Dodgers giving up Buehler or Verdugo along with other prospects for Darvish, only to see Darvish sign a free agent deal to go back to the Rangers this winter. What front office, in their right mind, makes that kind of deal. Certainly not Andrew Friedman. If the Dodgers want Darvish, then wait until the offseason and sign him as a free agent. and let the Rangers have the second round draft pick.
I could see KC going for it for this core’s last hurrah. They are cruising, and despite him underperforming, they won it all after the Cueto trade. A Darvish trade would be reminescent of that… Kudos to small money teams like KC and Tampa for having the grits to go for it, whereas Texas has had the same problems all year, some since last November, and fixed nothing(and that’s saying nothing of the lineup and pitching mismanagement, woof). Adrian Beltre deserves better…
Rangers reallt know they have to deal Yu.
Now that Rangers understand none of LAD top prospects ( Bueller, Alvarez, Verdugo) are an option, Darvish could end up just about with any contending team. He is the best two month rental on the market and the Rangers now must determine what that market really looks like. Each of the contenders (LAD, NY, Red Sox, AZ, Cubs, Nats) have promising guys at single A or lower that the Rangers know about. They just have to determine for themselves who they really like among these young players who are not yet in Top 5 organizational rankings. They will find that market and, no doubt, take the deal that their evaluators like best. The next 24 hours will be fun to watch.
I agree here. The mystery team is probably Arizona, Milwaukee or Tampa Bay. Yu’s haul it as its smallest now. Someone else here said possibly 6 more starts is all you’ll get. Not going to take a whole lot to get him. About all thats left is for the scouts to report back to the g.m. who is in playing in A ball with a lot of upside that they like and take that deal.
I’ll agree that Darvish is probably NOT going to bring back a huge return. I do think that instead of six starts he’d probably get seven or eight in the regular season if he is available to pitch on Tuesday.
To me though I’d actually think that a high end reliever would be the most valuable piece at this point of the season though for most teams. I say that because you’d probably end up strategically using that reliever in almost every high leverage situation you could over the next few weeks. You’d definitely do that in the post season. The flexibility and availability would probably make them more valuable in this short window.
How can you say it won’t take a lot to get him? He’s by far the most impactful piece offered at the trade deadline in the last couple of years. Daniels isn’t dumb. He’ll get something for Yu or just hang on to him for no reason
If he isn’t dumb, why would he hang on to him for no reason. That seems pretty dumb to me.
I’ll bet the Dodgers end up packaging a deal around Alvarez for Darvish and Kela. They keep their top two prospects while getting the starter they need and some bullpen help in Kela. It’s high price to pay, but how costly is it considering their payroll and the possibility of not capitalizing on the season they’re having? Yes they could get where they want to go without him but with Kershaw on the DL why would you take the risk? Oh and anyone who doesn’t think Darvish wouldn’t slot in behind Kershaw in the playoffs is blind.
Everything points to the Dodgers getting Darvish.
Everything but the actual trade itself.
Some very interesting points. Smart ones as well. I agree why give up top tier prospects for a rental who is going to return ala Chapman 2016. It’s always nice to add for Oct, but hopefully Friedman and company have learned from the past, take lasordas and magics advice,bring showtime back to l.a. and hire Pete Rose as a base running coach.
Anybody know when Darvish is scheduled to start next?
Tuesday
Thanks. The plot thickens!
Mystery Team is the Long Island Ducks
Nationals as the mystery team?? I’d prefer Lance Lynn over Yu, but suddenly Nats maybe looking for another starter with Stras injury, disappointment from Roark, and than not knowing what you are going to get with Gio. He’s been great this year, but you know he can fall off the rails at any point, especially in the playoffs (see NLDS game 5, 2012 & NLDS game 4 2014. Even in game 3 last year he didn’t pitch all that well [3 runs in 4 2/3], and after getting staked to a 4-1 lead he couldn’t even make it out of the 5th inning). In a Cubs/Nats game 3 I would MUCH rather have Lance Lynn start that game over Gio
Mystery team is seattle
mystery team is……st louis
Baltimore is looking for innings on the cheap.
So, I’m assuming the Cubs are out?