The Red Sox are among the organizations “in active talks” with the White Sox regarding veteran slugger Jose Abreu, according to Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). It is not clear at the moment which other teams might be involved or how far talks might have progressed.
MLBTR’s Mark Polishuk recently examined the potential market for Abreu, citing Boston as one of the major possible suitors. Of course, there are also quite a few other organizations that would likely see merit in his contract rights, too.
Unlike top trade candidate Giancarlo Stanton and the slate of available free agents, Abreu can be controlled for a limited financial commitment. MLBTR projects that he’ll earn $17.9MM in arbitration for the coming season, a large sum but also less than what other top sluggers would command on the open market. And there’s another season of control that amounts to a floating club option; should he perform well, Abreu will be entitled to (and will likely deserve) another big raise in his final year of arbitration eligibility. If not, he can be allowed to walk.
In all likelihood, it’s something like a two-year, $40MM contract commitment without any possibility of a long-term commitment gumming up future balance sheets. That’s an appealing contract situation for a player that just smacked 33 long balls and slashed .304/.354/.552 in the 2017 campaign. Abreu will not turn 31 until January of next year.
While Abreu wouldn’t necessarily earn significantly more in average annual salary in a hypothetical trip onto the open market this winter, he’d surely command more years. There’s a world of difference between a four or five-year guarantee at this general rate of pay, for instance, and the current commitment to Abreu. To take but one comparison, he’s effectively controlled under a more team-friendly scenario than that which the Blue Jays agreed to with Jose Bautista last January, after the much older player languished on the market and fell shy of earning expectations on the heels of a down season. That contract guaranteed $18.5MM and included only a mutual option, whereas Abreu’s 2019 rights are firmly in club control.
There’s a fair bit of excess value here for the White Sox, who also won’t feel compelled to move Abreu for less than a compelling return. Putting Abreu in crimson hosiery will likely not be cheap, then. Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski has suggested his organization is hesitant to part with significant prospect value to land a slugger, so getting something done here will likely require some creativity and/or tough choices.
Benintendi plus specs should get it done.
Who let the comic in here?
Agreed. Benintendi is trash
Yeah… the 23 year old rookie that finished the year second in ALROTY voting is trash…
Yeah, because finishing second in the ROTY means you’re good. Just ask Jose Iglesias, Alexei Ramirez, Delmon Young, Willy Taveras, Shingo Takatsu, etc.
Quit trolling.. actual watch the game of baseball before you comment. Your baseball IQ is trash
Complete trash.
Overrated overvalued by Sox. A mediocre player at best.
Cool story
Please explain to everyone how he is “mediocre”.
Can argue the other way as well with numerous ROY finalists who panned out just fine…
Try this for for size: Mookie’s 22yo season, in which he had previously amassed 62 more ABs than rookie limits and about 100 more ABs than AB’s 21yo season, he posted slightly better offensive numbers (291/340/820 ish; 18 dings 21 sacks). We all know what happened the following year.
ill take 271/355/776 rounded at 20/20 for a 22yo rookie with solid range and a plus arm (spec relative w/81 games at home. heck manny had 17 assists one year at the fens). also keep in mind, this is during a year with legitimately no protection in the lineup….
Tender showed he has the makings to potentially be a 5 tool player, one day, and if patience was a tool, itd be six tools. Acquiring big power guys only makes sense if we keep hitters who can get on base and force opposing pitchers into the zone and/or to chuck heaters.
He ain’t Fred Lynn, but he sure as hell aint trash
Why don’t you ask Yoenis Cespedes or Jonathan Papelbon how 2nd I’m Roy voting is…? You chisox fans are sol if you think Dombrowski would drop Beni on Abreu… (Also don’t do your boy Alexi dirty like that, he wasn’t half bad)
He’ll we’ve seen Roty winners not do good afterwords
Your a clown
I don’t know what’s more alarming; this comment, or the amount of ‘likes’ associated with it. Although I do indeed root hard for my hometown ball club, I am a baseball fan first and foremost, and try to remain as objective as I possibly can be when discussing the Red Sox, and pride myself on not letting my bias get in the way of assessing the ability of players on the team. With that said, and with all due respect to you and everyone who ‘liked’ your comment; you all have obviously not watched Benintendi enough to make such a ridiculous proclamation. I’d be shocked if you have watched any more than a handful of games in which he has played, but if per chance you have, you’re delusional (at best). This kid is the real deal, period. At the time of the Moncada trade, I was ticked off to hear the news that they didn’t part ways with Benintendi instead, but given another year of being able to closely observe both of them this past season, I can say with the utmost confidence that the Red Sox made the right choice. Mark my words, this kid will be a cornerstone of someone’s organization for many, many years to come (hopefully Boston’s from my perspective).
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Facts. There’s no possible way this character has actually watched this specific ball player play any more than a handful of games, IF THAT, and if so, they’re either trolling, like you said, or just plain not the brightest.
Wishful thinking !
Lol
As a White Sox fan, that would be amazing. Unfortunately, I don’t think the Red Sox would do that. There are other un-named teams as well so who knows.
Other unnamed teams could be just the white six starting rumours to maximize price.
The Red Sox could also be using the White Sox to push Boras clients Martinez and Hosmer or the Marlins for Stanton,
True
More like JBJ and Sam Travis
I don’t mind receiving JBJ in a deal coming back (along with a couple top prospects) but I really don’t want Travis.
Why not? Not like the red Sox need him. If they do put a trade together, I’d guess Travis and/or chavis as the starters
Travis would be great !
JBJ and Travis wouldn’t get an Abreu deal done. Travis is not very good, I’ll pass on a !B/DH prospect with below average power all day.
Abreu > JBJ, plus JBJ only has 3 seasons of control remaining, which does not fit well with the White Sox rebuild.
fangraphs.com/blogs/dont-trade-jackie-bradley-for-…
You’re right it wouldn’t get it done, it’s an overpay for JBJ alone.
As a Sox fan I’d be ok with JBJ and a couple prospects. I’d like potential players that the Rockies and/or Cards may offer though.
jbj is already in the arbitration phase of his career, not sure why the white sox would want him. by the time theyre ready he’s likely left in free agency
Agree
Trading 2 years of Abreu for 3 years of JBJ doesn’t make much sense for the White Sox at this stage of their rebuild.
Hope Hahn is using them as leverage for a Rockies or Cardinals deal.
It’s called a flip player that hold him for a yr flip him for more young talent
JBJ and 2 low a or as players should do it so a guy like Trey Ball and (2013 1st Rnd age 23 pitcher) and a another low end prospect
You all have to remember that Abreu is not Staton and only has 2yrs left on a contract and is already 30? ( who knows if this is legit)
mcase7187: There is more financial certainty with Abreu. He has two years of cheaper arbitration eligibility remaining while Stanton has an-opt out after 3 years. It’s not out of realm of possibility that Stanton could exercise that option if he puts up a couple more seasons that approach his 2017 MVP numbers.
NO.
You don’t trade Jose Abreu for a “flip” candidate. Especially one with only 1 really good season under his belt.
If Stanton opts out, he only has 3 years of control, will cost $15mil more over the next 2 years and has an injury history Abreu does not.
Trey Ball might be 23, but he looks suspiciously like a bust. I’m not really sure how putting him in a would move the needle much. He could definitely be a change of scenery candidate, but he shouldn’t be one of the main pieces.
Implying that Trey Ball has trade value at this point is humorous.
Cards don’t want that bum Abreu. I’d give you Randall Grichuk straight up for Abreu. Seems fair.
Are you being sarcastic? Abreu has hit 30/100 in three of the last four seasons. He’s hit .290 or better all four seasons. His “down” year saw him hit 25/100. He’s also reportedly a great locker room guy. Please tell me what makes him a bum.
Oh come on, Trey Ball is absolutely terrible. Just because you were drafted in the first round doesn’t make up for your career 4.67 ERA and 1..59 WHIP.
Might as well try to sell the White Sox on Henry Owens.
Wow! Do you even watch baseball!? I think it’s past your bedtime. Let those in the know talk baseball. Your ignorance is showing.
White Sox need some balls so Why not Trey (3) Balls
Ouch, I’d rather have the young outfielder in that scenario. Seems steep.
JBJ is not that young anymore, and only has 3 seasons of control remaining (arbitration as well). He’s a solid player, but this just doesn’t seem to be a great trade matchup with how weak Boston’s farm currently is.
That’s in response to Benintendi
Gonna go out on a limb and guess that his post was sarcasm.
I think that sounds fair to me friend. of course i’m not a sox fan lol
Yeah good luck with that… too many firstbase options available to overpay.. besides, BoSox don’t really match up with ChiSox
You’re an idiot. Red Sox would never do that.
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Trade Bradley and Swihart plus Owen for Abreu! Then Go for Carlos Gonsalez for Lf and Cozart for 2b
Why would the White Sox do that? They would get back an OF with 1 more year of control who just had a down year and is arb eligible, a guy who can’t stay on the field and also struggled when given a chance and a guy who can’t throw a strike to save his life. No thanks.
JBJ is so much better defensively, Blake Swihart Was the top 20 candidate in all of baseball less than two years ago has struggled with some injuries but was starting to come around, Owen sucks maybe we would have to throw in either a young pitching prospect mid-level or maybe a Brian Johnson or Matt Barnes type number 4 or 5starter or decent bullpen piece. Jose A is a big bat About 2 be past his prime Who could give us maybe two years of power at 1B
Should have traded Henry Owens and Blake Swihart to the Phillies for Cole Hamels when you had the chance.
Except it wasn’t just those two it was Mookie Betts who hey wanted for Hamels plus Swihart and others I think the Red Sox are done that they didn’t make that trade.
No chance they trade Benintendi.
Benintendi has platoon written all over him. His ops was 620 against lefties. Red soxs would be wise to move him before he ends up league average and no trade value.
Says the idiot that obviously hasn’t seen AB swing. Remember he was a rookie last year and held his own. He isn’t anywhere near a platoon guy. He will hit lefties just fine his career is just starting there aren’t many guys with the swing and eye this guy has.
Lol put your crack pipe down kid
Why the hell would u trade benintendi. That makes no sense, if the Red Sox are going to move an outfielder it should be JBJ because he’s under team control for 3 more years at a very cap friendly contract. Also tradin benintendi would be stupid because he part of that core group getting there feet wet and being potential franchise caliber players. (Betts, benintendi, devers, sam Travis)
Call me crazy, but I personally don’t believe a first baseman with no power is a franchise caliber player.
Seriously though… Did you really just try to put Sam Travis in the same conversation as Betts, Benintendi, and Devers? Was that on accident? I really hope so…
Something tells me the Red Sox aren’t trading their team controlled LF who had a 20/20 season in his rookie year… overvalued my ass… there’s a reason he was the 7th overall pick, second player from his draft class to reach the majors, went 20/20 in his first season, and wasn’t the top prospect going to Chicago for Sale… if he didn’t go over for Sale he’s sure as hell not going over for Abreu
2.5 years ago Benintendi wasn’t even on the radar for the first 10 rounds never mind number seven in the first round his sophomore year he grew in leaps and bounds and has continued that growth nothing but upward trajectory in the last three years. Not like he was a superstar prospect that fell back to the pack , He keeps on progressing
Boston not trading him.
Might have a shot at Bradley but Benintendi is untouchable
Mets need to be in on him!!!
Another Ryan Howard or Chris Davis! He will probably be overpaid and then crap the bed.
Completely different offense profiles
Howard and Davis were both power only players. And after Howard’s ankle he was never the same. Abreu is not a power only player he can also hit.
So you don’t follow much baseball do you?
right
Abreu has never hit below .290 in the majors. This comparison makes zero sense.
st louis should be ringing the white sox phone constantly. much better to get jose than stanton. at least you get two years with jose vs three and an unknown opt out, and/or get stuck with a huge contract…
The Cardinals also have a much deeper system of prospects in which to entice the White Sox, particularly in comparison to the Red Sox.
The Cardinals will give Harrison Bader,
Plus, the Cardinals will give Carson Kelly to go with Bader. Both are blocked by starting players contracts. If that’s not enough, they’ll throw in Matt Carpenter.
I’d prefer Kelly + Perez, but that gets it done, IMO.
Sure, Trade the number 2 catching prospect in all of baseball and a promising young outfielder with pop, speed and a glove for an out of shape slob. Abreu is trash. Keep the prospects and Sign Hosmer if you’re going for a first baseman. Trade for Kyle Seager then and plug him at first.
Really don’t get the hate for this guy. Abreu’s a slob? How do you figure? He’s not out of shape. Also, look at his stats over the last four years. What is it about his numbers that makes you think he’s trash? He’s also got the intangibles.
You must be a GM. You sound so knowledgeable and clever.
The guy defected from CUBA….where he ate whatever he could possibly get. His family would get rice. If they got rice, they are rice for a week.
Cards are NOT trading Carson Kelly!
I wish the O’s could do something here, but there are just simply not compatible.
The O’s have Chris Davis & Mark Trumbo (And lets not forget Manny Machado). They have Homerun hitters, they need strong SP. I really think the O’s & Cardinals are a better match in terms of Trade Need – STL needs Power & O’s needs pitching.
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Ok here’s your daily humor fellas:
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White Sox pretty much depleted Bostons top prospects in the Sale trade last year, so unless its Benetendi and other variables, Rick Hahn does not make this trade. STL matches up best in terms of prospects and the need of a power hitter
I would think Chavis + some fluff would be more than enough for a 20M/yr 1B, tbh. He could always just go sign a 25-30 HR 1B for just money if the price gets too high.
Not gonna happen bruh. Abreu is a career .300 hitter and OBP .360 that has averaged 31 HR, 103 RBI over past 4 seasons. Not to mention he was a huge part in the recruitment of Luis Robert, and he development of Moncada. He is worth more to this team than any other team will be willing to give up IMO
then you’re not gonna trade him. Teams aren’t going to give up value for “well he helped recruit the kid in rookie ball.” Carlos Santana is good enough to offset the cost of acquisition
Then sign him. If you think giving the career .249 hitting, DH, soon to be 32 year old Santana a 4 year, $100mm contract is a more sound move than trading for Abreu then Gos bless and I cannot wait for the luxury tax penalty. SMDH
I will start out by saying that I am a White Sox fan but your comment is off. Santana is actually a very good defensive 1st baseman, amazing considering he learned the position at the major league level. His average may not be great but its not terrible and he works the count and draws tons of BB’s. With that said, he will probably be more expensive than Abreu and will also cost a draft pick to sign him so giving up a couple minor league players even good ones should not be out of the question if they are making a push for the world series.
chitown311: You nailed it-Abreu is too valuable to Sox as a mentor and team leader. Young Robert among others will need his guidance. I have two questions for anybody. 1. Who is Sam Travis? Sounds like an old West fur trapper from the 19th century and 2. What else does Stanton do really well besides hit long homers for a losing team? He is a career .268 hitter with a ton of strikeouts every year. Tell me one other thing he can do well.
Don’t even understand Hahn entertaining a trade with Boston 4 Abreu unless ChiSox are getting Betts & Bogaerts back. Injury free for the 4 years we’ve had him, 100 RBI & most importantly can mentor these prospects coming up. These fans of other teams dont realize how great Abreu is. Only thing i can fault him on is not being real clutch. Jose wants to remain on Sox the list of star players eager to come here is minute. Eaton deal Hahn may have fleeced Nats time will tell. Sale is a top 3 pitcher in baseball if Hahn was asking for Bryant initially, what happened? He should of got Betts, Devers & Kopech for Sale. Sale was the only reason to go to or watch the Sox last 2 years. Extend Abreu, see if Avi can build on last season
Abreu is not a great fielder so no NL team will give up a lot for him when he’ll end up on a AL team anyways as a DH ya he has 2yrs left but y waist you players for someone destined for a DH roll
chitown311: In addition to the Cardinals, the Rockies would also be an excellent matchup with the White Sox. Like St.Louis, Colorado also has the need for a power hitting first baseman and the necessary prospects to entice Rick Hahn into moving Abreu.
I can only imagine the numbers Abreu might produce playing half his games in Coors Field while also having Charlie Blackmon, D.J. LeMahieu and Nolan Arenado accompanying him in the top four spots of the batting order!
Agree 100%
What do you think the Rockies would be willing to part with?
The more pertinent question might be what Rick Hahn would require. He’s not pro-actively shopping Abreu this offseason. Hahn is responding to other clubs who have inquired as to his availability and what the asking price might be.
Abreu might be more valuable to the White Sox than any other club, The player and the organization have a mutual respect for one another and a contract extension just might be the ultimate result of this relationship. It happened with Frank Thomas at 1B and continued with Paul Konerko. Why not Abreu?
Benintendi / Devers / Groome/ Chavis not to mention Betts and Boegarts are younger than many MLB prospects and god rest hise soul the catching prospect that just passed away at 17 years old projected as a generational catching talent. The White Sox got some of our talent 4 sure but give me our remaining talent and we are still top half of MLB
Travis is a good player, best player to come out of Providence Catholic. You don’t always just come up and rake. He gives quality at bats.
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How did they fleece sox? Sale stud Moncada struggled Kopech has potential , If he pans out The White Sox might win the trade , Moncada overrated prospect Might be a slightly above average MLB player not much more so the jury is out
If I am the White Sox GM, I would start off with #1 prospect
O’s – Chance Sisco
STL – Alex Reyes
Red Sox – Jay Groome & Michael Chavis
Indians – Francisco Mejia
Mets – David Peterson & Justin Dunn
Why would teams give up top 50 prospects for Abreau when they can just sign Lucas Duda for fifty cents?
Groome is ranked #42 by MLB Pipeline and Chavis #92 in baseball. That’s not a lot considering 2 full year of a proven MLB player with Abreu’s numbers. Fans needs to stop prospect hugging.
BTW, Duda isn’t half the player Abreu is.
That comment would only make sense if there were teams that would prefer Duda to Abreu. If you think there are, you’re living in an entirely different reality than the rest of us.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA and the Cardinals would hang up the phone faster than Abreu eats a deep dish pizza. There is only one player I give Reyes up for and that’s Trout. Heck I’d give you Reyes, Weaver and Daniel Hudson.
Giving up Daniel Hudson would be a neat trick.
Jose Abreu #’s (2014 -2017)
2014 – 176 Hits/80 runs/36 HR/107 RBI/.317 AVG/5.5 WAR
2015 – 178 Hits/88 runs/30 HR/101 RB/.290 AVG/3.8 WAR
2016 – 183 Hits/67 runs/25 HR/100 RBI/.293 AVG/2.8 WAR
2017 – 189 Hits/95 runs/33 HR/102 RBI/.304 AVG/4.7 WAR
Lucas Dudas #’s (2014-2017)
2014 – 130 Hits/74 runs/30 HR/92 RBI/.253 AVG/3.6 WAR
2015 – 115 Hits/67 runs/27 HR/73 RBI/.244 AVG/3.0 WAR
2016 – 35 Hits/20 Runs/7 HR/23 RBI/ .229 AVG/0.1 WAR – INJURY Season
2017 – 92 Hits/50 Runs/30 HR/64 RBI/.217 AVG/(1.1 WAR Mets + 0.0 WAR Rays)
Duda can hit the homers but he can’t sustain the average and be a big RBI producer. Hence Duda price tag being low. How many .300 AVG 25+ HR 100 RBI & over 175 hits 1B are out there, not many – offensively Jose Abreu,
yeah I’m pretty sure he wasn’t comparing Lucas Duda to Jose Abreu.
I agree with you about what the White Sox will want from the Red Sox (Groome & Chavis). Without those 2 I can’t see the White Sox making a deal.
No way in hell Cards give Reyes for Abreu
White sox might’ve fleeced the red sox and nationals but not gonna work with the cards
Sox would ask for Kelly and D. Perez.
still to much
are you kidding me? proven .300, 30/100 guy ? stop smoking crack people. Abreu is PROVEN, and prospects are could be’s . You have to give to get, and St Louis should do whatever it can to stop floating behind the Cubbies.
you have got to be kidding many of those wouldn’t even be considered for a second Mejia are you joking
Yeah as an Indians fan I got a good laugh out of the Mejia suggestion
I would imagine the White Sox don’t feel the Boston system has enough without including Benintendi, and Boston would probably balk at removing a regular from their lineup to make this deal, as it trades one hole for another one that’s more difficult to plug.
What would make the most sense is a larger deal, with the White Sox sending both Abreu and Avisail Garcia to the Red Sox for a package built around Benintendi and three or four prospects.
you are out of your mind bennetendi is straight up better than abreu and cherish and had more control so why would the red Sox do that…. also they easily have enough in thier farm system abreu is good but expensive and only has 2 years of control
Better? Not according to WAR. More valuable sure.
both of the stat lines for 2018 are the same, zeeeeroooooo
the red sox have one of the worst farm systems in all of baseball. I don’t think they have what it takes to get Abreu.
Ignorant clearly
Don’t think Boston would give up Nintendo
Don’t think ChiSox would want JBJ
Chavis + one of their recent pitching draftees (Houck, Scherff, Thompson) would be a nice package
That’s pretty light for Abreu. Maybe if it was a free agent year. But odds are they’ll get a significantly better package for Abreu from another team. And even if they don’t, he’s more valuable just staying on the team than that package.
but that’s just the market for bats right now and he’s not cheep
The White Sox would hang up the phone if the Red Sox offered that package.
I agree Brixton. Some of these trades are jokes.I mean look at the power market out there. If the White Sox are gonna hold him because of his value to the team and city then fine but that doesn’t add value to other teams. A package like that probably would get it done if they are looking to move him. They didn’t give up AB for who they clearly favored over Moncada for 3 years of sale why in the world trade him for 2 of JA?
Thank God someone pointed out the fact that just because the White Sox value him for what he’s done with their Cuban players doesn’t make him more valuable to other teams.
Sure, maybe that makes them want to give him up less…it doesn’t make other teams want to give up more for him though.
Except I’m pretty sure nobody has said that what he’s done (and continues to do) with their Cuban players makes him more valuable to other teams… What they have said, however, is that it makes him more valuable to the White Sox. I’m not sure if you know this, but you can’t just turn on “Force Trade” like MLB The Show. If somebody doesn’t offer Hahn something he likes, which would probably have to be more than Abreu’s actual “value,” Abreu will remain with the White Sox. It’s really not that hard to figure out…
So yes, you are probably correct in saying that all the “extra” stuff Abreu does won’t make him more valuable to other clubs, but it will make him more expensive for them prospect-wise.
Next 3 years I take JD Martinez over Abreau I really like Abreau But he is getting past his prime give me a JD Martinez make him a first baseman Keep our prospects bang
Not even close to enticing enough for Hahn to trade Abreu IMO.
After last year, I don’t see Hahn asking for less than the moon. Abreu’s the clubhouse leader Start with Devers, settle on JBJ + Groome + Chavis or lotto tickets. Dombrowski would undoubtedly say no and just sign hosmer or JD
That wouldn’t happen. Take Devers out and put in a lower prospect like Williams Jerez then it’s a deal
so in your mind, the white sox should open negotiations asking for williams jerez and not even inquire on anyone of value? good luck on your salary review this year.
jbj would not be a center piece
Jbj and chavis for abreu and the red Sox take on the money
Did you mean to type Stanton instead of Abreu? You’re acting like the Red Sox are doing the White Sox a favor by taking Abreu and his contract off their hands…
Why does everyone feel like Abreu is going to command such huge prospects? Sale had 3 yrs of control, was a top 5 starting pitcher, and was dominant. He fetched a young prospect in monocada which was great, but what else did they really get? Kopech is a nut that throws hard (dime a dozen) and lower level prospects who eventually no one will ever here from. Abreu is an average first basemen with some power and only 2 years of control left. Is he a good hitter? Absolutely, but hes not any better than Hosmer. Based on what the sox gave up for sale, Chavez, Travis, or Groome combined with JBJ should absolutely get the job done. JBJ is an excellent centerfielder that plugs into a starting line up immediately. Then if the sox take Chavez, they have a long term solution at 3rd base with an above average prospect. Who in the world would give more than that up for 2 yrs of control for +2.7 WAR over Mitch Moreland. The overvaluing of Abreu is nuts here,
He’s actually better than Hosmer. Him winning the silver slugger at 1B over Abreu was a sham (seriously, look at the numbers). Only thing Hosmer beat him in was average (barely) and OBP. XBH: Abreu, HR: Abreu, RBI: Abreu, Slugging and OPS: Abreu, WAR: Abreu
He’s way older than Hosmer. No GM would take Abreu over Hosmer. And I admit Hosmer is overrated. Cmon now
Abreu over next 2 years will hit better than Homser for sure. Anyone who gives Hosmer a 6+ year deal is crazy.
“Way older” might be an overstatement. Jose Abreu will be 31 in January while Hosmer turned 28 last month. There is little arguing about who’s been the better hitter during Abreu’s four years in MLB and those numbers are unlikely to dip much in the next few years at 1B/DH.
JBJ and Chavis/Groome would be a great return for abreu in this market
i’m not overvaluing him. i’m just saying rick hahn has no reason to not set a high asking price and work down.
You’re insane. He’s not worth half that
they aren’t trading abreu for what valuation math indicates his value should be (tanner houck or josh ockimey). if the offer isn’t incredibly impressive he stays put. its a slow offseason, thats the only reason why this is even a discussion
If the White Sox ask for JBJ, the Red Sox stop returning their calls. Thats how far apart the two are value wise.
fine by me. they can go pay hosmer 9 figures. there is no point in trading abreu for the medicore prospects WAR says hes worth.
Moncada was the #1 prospect in baseball at the time. Kopech currently is the highest rated pitching prospect in baseball (#9 overall). Kopech looks far better than “a dime a dozen” talent. Time will tell I suppose.
only +2.7 WAR over a player having in his career year! Overrated!
4-5 WAR players currently available at the position are not easy to find. Guys that are expected to hit over .300 and slug over .550 year in and year out are not the norm. The difference between a guy like Moreland and a premium talent like Abreu is more drastic than the numbers, not less.
The difference between Moreland and Abreu, contract included, is essentially zero.
Nothing about these players careers suggests that this is even remotely true.
Wow. You really don’t know what the Red Sox gave up if you think Kopech is just “a nut that throws hard (dime a dozen). Talk about delusional.
Do most of you realize that they are talking about Abreu and not Stanton he’s a player heading to a DH only player and not a 40-50 home tin guy sure that can change but given up 2-3 top prospects for him is just the dumbest thing I’ve heard come on think real here people please
With the ongoing and consistently irritating habit of the Boston media making themselves a daily part of the baseball equation in Boston, I can’t image Stanton is too keen to land with the Red Sox. Acquiring Abreu makes far more sense (please, send JBJ to Chicago). Abreu can flat out hit.
Best fit for the Cardinals,it will probably take same or more prospects as Stanton but way less expensive. Leaves more money to allocate to other needs. Please
you have got to be kidding me with these offers in this market he won’t bring back close to what people are taking about no way players like groome rayes or Mejia are moved much less benatendi I actually thought that was a joke when I first saw it. also 3 years of jbj for relitvely cheep> 2/40 on abreu
Wow. You all should probably draw a deep breath and actually do the numbers for Abreu’s excess value. Spoiler alert: It’s positive, but not much. He’s got two years or arbitration left and will likely make between $35m and $40m. His value for his age 31 and 32 seasons, via Steamer, is about 5.2 fWAR, which is somewhere in the $45m range. So his excess value is likely less than $10m. That’s a nice prospect, maybe top 100 if an organization decides to be generous.. No way in you-know-where that’s Jackie Bradley or Jason Groome or Michael Chavis.
Which is why he probably won’t get traded.
If everything you say is accurate then you are correct.
Rick Hahn will not trade Jose Abreu this offseason unless his high demands are met. This is not a salary dump or simply another veteran piece to be moved on a rebuilding team. Abreu has extra value to the White Sox with his important leadership and mentoring skills and some team is going to have to pay for that or there will be no deal.
Unless the White Sox are blown away with a deal I’d prefer they keep Abreu and try to extend his contract a few more years beyond his free agency. Abreu has already expressed a desire to remain with the White Sox through the rebuilding process so all this should be a reasonable possibility.
and they won’t even get Schwarber for Sale, and Q is only a #3 or #4 and Robertson’s albatross contract won’t even get them a top 10 prospect from the Nats system, and Eaton is overrated, and Dan Jennings, Melky Cabrera, Tyler Clippard, Todd Frazier are immovable objects.
He’s the 3rd best bat available. For a team looking to contend over the next 2 years, that has more value than Michael Chavis.
Look Red Sox & Cards need middle of order guys and everyone knows that. Are they gonna trade the entire farm or their top young guys for Stanton? No. Do they want to sign Hosmer or JDM for over 100-150 mil? No. Chavis is blocked by Devers & JBJ is replaceable. Kelly is blocked by Yadi & Perez has high upside but also bust potential. I think both will push very hard for Abreu as well as the Rockies. Makes most sense to me that Red Sox & Rockies do the deal since they stand better chance to contend for a title right now.
those things are all rediculos ideas that have nothing to do with what this guy posted he looked at abreu and what he’s worth I personally think it would take chavis but that’s about it nowhere near as rediculos as the bennetendi for abreu trash above
Wow, someone who knows what they’re talking about!
Except Michael Chavis isn’t very good.
36 homers last year in ballparks that are pitcher freindly . He could be a power guy 30-40 homeruns Without the solid average of Abreau might hit .230 to .265 Not stud but solid
I would think the Rockies and Cardinals are other teams they are currently talking to.
I hope the rockies get this sluggin sammy…the balls would fly so far in that crisp mountain air, it will be like the time my ex yelled at me and my toupee nearly blewed off.
Assuming you are a Rockies fan, what is a fair starting point in a deal? Is Rodgers too much to ask or is Rodgers and one other top guy (Tapia, Dahl, Pint) for Abreu ok?
Rodgers or Pint? Not on your life. Abreu has about $10-15m in excess value. A bottom-fifth Top 100 prospect is pushing it and would be a good deal for Chi. Tapia sounds about right (I mean him alone).
rodgers is unrealistic, as a sox fan i would love it. the surplus value on abreu should net either a 50 FV arm or a 45 FV bat, so i don’t think he goes anywhere unless someone really overpays
White Sox are stacked with OF prospects, hard to imagine them trading Abreu for just another 1 of those.
thanks someone reasonable here
abreu for blackmon?
This is true. And once again, Hahn has the leverage being that he doesn’t need to trade Abreu and they’re not contending. If Abreu has a solid first half then Hahn could possibly get more by mid season.
abreu for blackmon just seems pointless on both sides
McMahon, Welker and maybe Castellani seems like a solid return. If Hahn were able to shake Pint loose, I’d be really surprised. Rodgers would be far beyond miraculous.
Then again, Hahn got a king’s ransom for Eaton (though there were more years of control, obviously). Still, if the Rockies decide they want him, ya never know. If Hahn came out with Pint and McMahon, that’d be amazing, but I think that’s probably the best case scenario.
Lol
Coors is not a uniquely good HR park for righties. It’s good not great. Very deep fences and the ball flies much better to right and right-center.
Abreu hits the ball all over the field and a lot of his HR’s are oppo taco’s
Cmon Jeff, there is not a “fair bit of excess value” on a 30 year old 3B making $40 mil over 2 years. Minimal trade value at best. At least I got a good laugh at the Sox fans wanting Benintendi+ for Abreu. They’ll be lucky to get one top 100 guy lol
You say that but looking at Abreu’s numbers the past 4 years (aka, his entire MLB career), they probably will land at least 1, maybe 2. And Abreu is a 1B. At least get his position right if you’re going to attempt to bash him.
The poster you’re responding to actually did “look at his numbers.” And is correct.
Correct about Sox not getting Benintendi? Yes as no one really expects that. That’s just being hopeful. Correct about the Sox not receiving a top 100 prospect? No. Put it this way: if the Sox have traded Abreu, that means they will have gotten a top 100 guy. Otherwise, he hasn’t been traded. He’s too valuable to the ChiSox to give up without getting a big piece back.
Just out of curiosity, what team are you a fan of? I know I’ve seen your name before but can’t remember.
Dude you’re clearly incredibly biased lol you want Brendan Rodgers for Abreu? Keep dreaming… as many have pointed out his excess value is max $5 mil per year. That’s AT MOST a backend top 100 guy. You’re overvaluing Anreu like crazy. and btw I know hes a 1B I just hit the wrong key.
What team are you a fan of? Please tell me I’m correct in which team I’m assuming lol
What team were you thinking? And in all seriousness I’m trying to be objective here. I always do. I like Abreu as a player and he was really good in 2016. But contract matters more than anything. Giancarlo Stanton just won MVP and he has minimal trade value.
I figured you would be a Cubs fan putting down Sox players. The best was Cubs fans saying the Sox would never get a top 100 prospect for Quintana. Not only did they get one of the best prospects in baseball, but it was from the Cubs haha
I will agree there are a lot of dumb Cubs fans out there. And a lot of people don’t realize how good/valuable Q is.
Just out of curiosity, what team are you a fan of?
Not a fan of a specific team, just love baseball and follow the league. I’m actually really intrigued with what the White Sox are doing right now but let’s be objective about Abrue here.
That’s fair, but a lot people also said Q would never pull in a top 100 prospect as well, which is why I thought it would be even better if you were saying this as a Cubs fan haha
Anyone who said Q wouldn’t get top 100 prospects was clueless. Q is a top 15 pitcher on an incredibly team friendly contract. Getting Eloy+ was a fair trade for both the Cubs and Sox.
Q was a FAR more valuable asset than Abreu.
but that’s stupid of course We is with a lot he’s a TOR pitcher with 3-4 years of cheep control abreu is an expensive 1b auth 2 years of control. not similar
“fair bit” … I don’t think I’m going off the rails here. I didn’t even commit to anything at all in the post, but I think Abreu could be a plausible 4/70+ type of FA were he hypothetically available this winter. Just spitballing. Bottom line is he’s an appealing asset on his contract and some teams will be willing to give real value for him, esp if they have some excess prospects in a certain area, 40-man pressures, etc.
Certainly, Benintendi is far more valuable than Abreu.
This. Just out of curiosity, what do people think Carlos Santana will get out there as a free agent?
What do you mean this? Jeff actually just proved my point. It’s much more about AAV than total contract value, especially to a team like Boston who is worried about the luxury tax. Let’s be smart here.
This= he’s not off the rails.
I just don’t see how that argument is valid. AAV is mostly what matters here.
So he’d get 4/70 on the open market, or thereabouts? So $17.5 mil AAV? That’s less AAV than what he’s projected to make the next two years… I’ll say it again, he does not have a fair bit of excess value. He’s being paid right around what he’s worth.
I’ve thought about this for months during the rebuild, but I think it basically comes down to one of these 2 scenarios: Sox listen on Abreu and get an offer they like (receiving a couple top prospects) or they extend him to a 4-year deal (at around the price you suggest) buying out his last 2 arbitration years. I’ve always seen the extension as most likely as he has the most value to the Sox (leader, can help ease in Moncada, Jimenez and Robert into the fold). Either way I’m happy as Abreu is great and can be the primary DH in 2-3 years.
The second scenario is the only option then. I’m not trying to be repetitive but can someone explain where this “excess value” is coming from, if his AAV is similar (and possibly higher) to what he’d get on the open market? And I understand he’s more likely to be better in 2019/2020 than 2021/2022 so that’s where the majority of value will come from. But unless you project him for more than 5 WAR (assuming teams are paying around $8 mil per WAR) over the next two season, he has no excess value.
And FWIW Fangraphs projects him at 2.7 WAR next year. So probably around 5 total over the next two years.
Yeah he’s likely on the White Sox next year. I’m just saying what it would take for Rick Hahn to say yes. They love Abreu. If you see the headline: “White Sox trade Abreu” then it would be fair to assume Rick got his guy. He’s not trading him just to trade him I guess is the short version lol
Well yes, that I agree with. No chance they’d just salary dump the guy, with how few payroll commitments the Sox have. He’s obviously a good player who’s well liked in the clubhouse. No reason to trade him unless someone overpays. So if you’re saying that they’d only trade him if another team overvalues him, thats fair. I just don’t get why the public is overvaluing him (or so it appears to me). And by overvaluing I mean his trade value, not his ability as a player.
Because they only have to pay it for ~half the term they would versus his hypothetical open market value. Doesn’t hurt that the second year is at the team’s option, though obviously the presumption would be that he’ll be tendered. Gives protection if an injury or huge downturn changes his outlook.
I didn’t mean to sound like I was overvaluing his trade value. That’s on me.
I understand that Jeff, but as I mentioned, Fangraphs projects him for around 2.7 WAR next season, meaning around 5 over those two years. Thats worth ~$40 mil, exactly what he’s projected to make. Having the insurance to cut him is nice, but it also means that a monster 2018 will vastly increase his 2019 salary, meaning surplus value is nowhere to be found. In terms of a $ per WAR calculation, I see no way that Abreu his much positive trade value. He’s similar to Stanton in me eyes. Very good player, signed to a market value deal.
You’re good Alexgordon. I appreciate people who are willing to listen and have a rational discussion. I never pretend to have all the answers, and I’m always willing to listen to good, sound arguments . It was mostly the people asking for Benintendi+ or Alex Reyes that was making me roll my eyes.
Roughly similar projection to Carlos Santana, at least offensively. Santana is also older. Dave Cameron has Santana as his top FA value — fangraphs.com/blogs/the-2018-free-agent-bargains/ — and I think our internal consensus here is that we were low on his market.
As I just added in the post, Abreu’s contract situation is better than the bailout deal the Blue Jays gave Bautista last winter. You’d never get Abreu for this contract if he were a FA right now.
Jeff, that doesn’t answer my question. I understand he would get more years in free agency. He would NOT get 20 mil AAV. He’s being paid what he’s worth in terms of AAV. Do you have an explanation, in terms of $ per WAR, for how Abreu has surplus value on his current deal (around 2/40)? If so, I’m all ears.
Carlos Santana, a more consistent offensive player and far superior defender, most likely won’t get $20 mil AAV.
I’m honestly just trying to understand your argument because the numbers just don’t add up.
And if you’re saying that he’s more valuable on a 2 year 20 mil AAV deal than a 4-5 year AAV deal, I agree but thats common sense. Abreu at 5/100 would have negative trade value; that doesn’t change the surplus value (or lack thereof) of his current deal.
Abreu would certainly get more years on the open market, but at a much lower AAV. Its possible to have both a 4-5 year deal and a 2 year deal at market value. Thats what I’m seeing here.
Again, if I’m wrong, I’d love to see some $ per WAR calculations to back it up.
4-5 year 20 mil AAV deal*
Free agency has never been only or mostly about $/WAR. The market overlay is a huge factor, especially for higher-end players. When teams run their own calculations, they have to compare to what it’ll actually cost. And they have to deal with the fact that this isn’t a purely theoretical world, but one in which they have to assess actual (limited) possibilities in FA/trade.
For me, Abreu and Santana are roughly equal, even if one projection system slightly prefers one. Santana obviously has a longer MLB track record (and is 9 months older) but hasn’t been more consistent at the plate. Abreu has never ended a season with a wRC+ below 120; Santana has topped that only once (2016) in past 3 seasons. I know metrics liked Santana > Abreu this year at first, but I think we’re likely mostly within the margin of error there and teams likely have their own views. Some teams may prefer one or another of these players, is the point.
If you want to talk $/WAR, both of these guys are 3-ish WAR types in the projections … at $8MM per, that’s $24MM annually. Each would be able to command multiple years in FA. Abreu 4 or 5, Santana 3 or 4, with a pretty solid argument to be made that both would end up at 4. Discount the AAV a bit for risk, and you’re in the 4/72 range pretty easily with some room to grow. A 35-year-old VMart got 4/68, after all. Even in our very bearish initial prediction for Santana (3/45) — based on what we now sort of feel was a mis-read of the middle-upper portion of the slugger market — the Abreu contract is far more favorable.
So … I’m not sure what you’re missing in the argument here or even what you really disagree with. Team A wants a high-quality first baseman. It looks over its options. There are two pretty similarly useful players — one that might require something like a four-year, $72MM commitment; another that only costs $18MM for one year and comes with a $22MM-ish option for another year. The excess value lies in getting the rights to that latter player without carrying the (expectedly underperforming) back end of a contract and (of lesser but non-negligible importance) adding flexibility to bail out on the second year in a disaster scenario. Avoiding being hung with dead money is a valuable thing for teams, just as locking in security is for players.
I think there’s a “fair bit” of value in that. Is it worth giving up Benintendi or Devers? No. But I don’t think it’s an even-value proposition between Abreu’s current contract and the cost of a like alternative in free agency.
Ok, maybe I am missing something but I’m pretty sure you still aren’t answering my question. The reason a team would be comfortable giving a player like Santana or Abreu something like 4/70 is to get surplus value up front, in exchange for dead money at the end. Thats the same with most long term deals. You seem to be saying that the Red Sox would choose Abreu in this situation, mainly because of the lack of long term financial commitment. Fair point, but that has nothing to do with Abreu’s current surplus value.
Again, Abreu/Santana may get more guaranteed money and more years in free agency, but at a much lower AAV. Maybe the Red Sox would rather be risk averse, and take a player like Abreu with only one guaranteed year. Except while this limits the risk, it also greatly limits the upside.
Also, if we are taking this route then comparing Abreu’s current deal to what he would get over 4-5 years is irrelevant. We should be comparing his current contract to what he would get on the open market, for the SAME number of years.
If Abreu signs a two year deal today, what does he get? Probably around 2/40(?), which is around what he’s projected to earn in arbitration. Do you think he’d get a lot more than that over two years? I understand not every transaction comes down to a direct $ per WAR calculation, but its a great baseline to start at. And at 2/40, with a projected 5 WAR over the next two season, he has very little surplus value. You say Abreu is a 3 WAR player which is equal to $24 mil annually, which is not correct. He may be a 3 WAR player for 2018, but certainly not over the life of a long term deal. He won’t even project for 3 WAR as soon as 2019 (he’s at 2.7 according to steamer for 2018.
Vmart isn’t exactly a great example because many laughed at the contract at the time, and certainly nobody who do that again in hindsight.
Finally, you’re second to last paragraph suggests the Red Sox have to choose between two options. Out of those two, yes, they may prefer Abreu. But there are countless options out there to fill 1B, many of which could end up being below market value anyways.
It’s been explained several times, in several ways. Your mind is made up.
Haha, pplama, you must be the one downvoting all of my comments for no reason. I do not believe it was explained several times in serval ways. In fact, I still do not believe my actual question was ever answered. I’m trying to have a civil, logical and reasonable debate with Jeff. I don’t need you to tell me whats going on in my mind. I am very open to new ideas and opinions, despite your accusations.
Abreu’s 4 seasons in the big leagues have been valued at 5.5, 3.8, 2.8, and 4.7 bWAR (or 5.3, 3.2, 1.8, and 4.1 if you want fWAR) – and that’s with his defense dragging down his value. I’d happily take my chances on him being worth more than 5 WAR over the next 2 years.
Did you really just try to say that Santana is a more consistent offensive player than Abreu?
If you meant he’s consistently worse than Abreu offensively, I agree.
You’re entitled to that opinion for sure but I would be careful. 30+ year old 1B often fall off quick. And I didnt just make up that 5 WAR figure. Fangraphs’ steamer projections have him at 2.7 next year. Average aging curve takes off ~0.5 WAR per season after age 30 putting him around 2.2 in 2019 and 4.9 over the two years.
Look, I like Abreu as a player and I’m honestly just trying to get it right. I hate the type of people who always want to be right and I promise you that’s not what I’m doing here. I just haven’t seen any strong and convincing evidence to make me change my mind. But I’m always open to it.
Since when did consistent and better mean the same thing? Abreu is slightly better offensively, Santana more consistent. Abreu was trending down for 3 straight years until he rebounded last year. His play discipline numbers are also really bad compared to Santana. I’ll take Santana to age better since he’s not a one trick pony like Abreu (relying almost entirely on power)
That’s fine. I know you aren’t making the numbers up; I’ve seen them too. All I’m saying is I’d happily take the over on that every day of the week.
I’m not too concerned with Abreu falling off like most of those older first baseman. He’s not the all or nothing power hitter that most of those guys tend to be. His power numbers might start dipping a little in the next couple years, but he’ll still be an excellent hitter for a while IMO.
Now you’re starting to grasp at straws. A career slash of .301/.359/.524 is relying almost entirely on power? That’s a tremendous reach at best.
Well, yes. Abreu had a 5% walk rate last year which is well below league average. Santana was around 12%. And do you have any reason for thinking Abreu will beat the projections? Or just cause you want him to? I don’t see any statistical or logical reasoning for thinking he will do better than the computers think he will. Seems like wishful thinking on your part.
Look at his WAR for the last 4 season. The average is way over 2.5WAR p/y. If you are assuming significant decline ok. But his history suggests more like 3.5-4.5 WAR
He’s going to decline. Almost all 30+ year olds do. Again, this 5 WAR is based of Fangraphs projections.
1B*
If I’m the redsox I don’t do it if it requires top prospects. The farm barely has any one left and u don’t deplete it for a two year player. Chavis could be a power bat w many years of control left. Or not but I’d rather risk it and see what happens.
Wait a sec, you would rather have a minor leaguer who hasn’t proven anything yet who is blocked anyways than have one of the most consistent 1B in the league, especially when your team needs a power bat? In a year that you have a real chance at contending for the WS. I don’t get it.
Great player and influence bad idea to trade him
Dombrowski “hesitant” to part with things from his bare cupboard. Nobody wants the lint in the corner of the cabinet, dude.
Pretty simple. Hahn will be perfectly content to keep Abreu’s bat unless one desperate enough team overpays. Happened all last year with their trade pieces and every single pitcher they gave up (Quintana, Sale, Kahnle, Robertson) were instrumental in their new clubs’ season ending losses. At least Abreu not a pitcher. As some have said, Cards have some nice expendable prospects WSox would want as the favorite to land Abreu IF they are so inclined.
These trade proposals don’t even make sense for the Red Sox. First off there is absolutely zero chance that AB is being traded for Abreu. Everyone is throwing JBJ’s name out there and I guarantee the Red Sox aren’t trading JBJ if they don’t have another move already sewn up. The Red Sox aren’t going to start the season with Bryce Brent or Rusney Castillo as there starting left fielder. I’m sure DD is just kicking the tires and seeing what shakes.
I do agree. There is no fit here.
StLouis is not out this player.They have more to offer
Hope so as a Sox fan. I am thinking Kelly and either Flaherty or Alcantara, is that out of line? I know they wont get Reyes and probably not Weaver. Kelly is blocked for years to come by Yadi and the Sox would want another solid piece. Weaver might be aiming high but they also have a pretty good rotation and have a lot of pretty good minor league pitching in the pipeline.
Too much
Chavis or Travis and a pitcher for Abreu
This site has predicted JD Martinez going to Red Sox for 6yr/150 mil. I agree that if WS could not get Benintendi in the Sale deal he definitely won’t be in an Abreu deal. Main things to watch for IMO are who signs Ohtani, JDM, Darvish & Arrieta and who trades for Stanton and Abreu. If Red Sox miss out on JDM they absolutely will go hard at Abreu because there is no one else available who can duplicate his production and financial commitment(s).
Hey Boston fans, get it thru your collective heads: nobody wants Jackey Bradley Jr… not even you. Benintendi + a few ok specs is a reasonable ask for perennial All-Star/MVP candidate caliber slugger in his prime. Get over your damn selves already.
I agree that JBJ doesn’t make sense.
However:
White Sox fan to White Sox fan- If you think Abreu gets AB, you’re going to be very disappointed if a trade does occur.
Ageeed. If Abreu gets moved, it’ll likely be for prospects, and there are plenty of teams out there with better farm systems than Boston that could use Abreu. If Hahn gets AB from them, I’d be stunned.
Boston need Santana at first!trade Bradley and 2 more for Ozuna and Nunéz or Corzart for 2b!! Keep Abreu
Hey Chisox City yes there are people who want JBJ and yes Boston does too. They will move him before AB and Betts there is nothing wrong with that. The only reason everyone is bringing up JBJ is because he has been brought up before in other trade proposals but I’m telling Boston isn’t trading him unless they have another outfield solution. Trading for Abreu with JBJ creates a different problem. I’m thinking DD offers Chavis, Mata and another player maybe Travis and if it’s not enough you move on. If they are signing JDM then JBJ becomes trade bait but not until all this talk of trading JBJ for a 1st baseman is silly. There is no doubt if the Cardinals or someone with a deeper farm system could get him if they wanted but the above offer is as strong as I would go if I was DD.
Have fun paying JDM $200MM for one good season then. You’re only benefiting the Yankees.
Quite sure they aren’t paying JDM 200 million no one is
That’s a good wake up call, especially given the fact that the Giants’ purported offer includes Shaw, Beede, and Panik on top of them taking on $250 milli of Stanton’s contract. That’s going to be tough for the Red Sox to compete with.
I am pretty sure that Stanton isn’t going to the Red Sox I’m also positive Boston isn’t paying JDM 200 million either.
fangraphs.com/blogs/dont-trade-jackie-bradley-for-…
What is with all the hate on this thread for Abreu? Career averages are .300+Avg. 30+Hr close to .360 OBP 100+RBI per year. Although I do not think he will get traded, if he does – given Hahn’s track record – the Sox will receive something incredible like Willy Adames and Jake Bauers / Jose De Leon
Who planted the troll bait in here?
Yes in actually trying to figure out how to delete this account because this place sucks