Manny Machado has emerged as the most talked-about name on the trade market in the wake of reports that the Orioles are shopping the 25-year-old, who will be a free agent next winter and quite possibly in line for a precedent-setting contract. Here’s the latest on Machado…
- Jon Heyman of Fan Rag adds some further details to the situation in a follow-up to Encina’s report. The offers for Machado haven’t been sufficient to this point in Baltimore’s eyes, and the organization will take him off the market in the coming days if the asking price isn’t met. Of course, Heyman also notes that there’s no “hard deadline;” rather, the O’s would “shift to other priorities” if there’s no momentum toward a trade. Interestingly, per Heyman, the O’s see the Jason Heyward–Shelby Miller swap as the kind of arrangement that would pique their interest.
Earlier Updates
- Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun reports that if the Orioles are to trade Machado, they hope to come to an agreement with a team by the end of the week. Baltimore isn’t backing down off its asking price of two starting pitchers that it can control for “at least the next four or five years,” however, which figures to be far too rich a price to pay for many clubs that have interest. High as Machado’s ceiling might be, that amount of team control over MLB-ready starters will very likely be valued more highly around the league. If the O’s don’t find a trade offer they like, Encina writes that they’re content to wait until the summer and revisit the possibility of trading him then.
- Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago tweets that both the Cubs and the White Sox are still involved in conversations with the Orioles regarding Machado. The Cubs are stacked with infield options, though none of their shortstop options come with a track record as impressive as that of Machado. The White Sox, meanwhile, reportedly declined to include their top-ranked prospects in their initial offer to the Orioles. It doesn’t seem prudent for the rebuilding South Siders to mortgage much of their future to acquire one year of Machado when they’re not expected to contend for the division in 2018.
- Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron takes a look at Machado’s value on the trade market, opining that suggested packages including MLB assets such as Xander Bogaerts, Eduardo Rodriguez and Addison Russell all represent marked overpays, Machado’s excellence notwithstanding. While Machado himself could be worth as much as $50MM on a one-year deal, Cameron suggests, the long-term value of each of those controllable assets pushes their overall value into comparable territory, and subtracting them from a roster inherently negates some of the upgrade that Machado would bring to the table.
This is becoming like the Stanton saga that seemed like it was never going to end…..
Machado to the Yanks for Frazier and Sheffield. Angelos suck it up and deal.
Frazier is a free agent
He’s talking about Clint Frazier.
Clint – not Todd
You really thought he meant Todd? lmao
Did Gary come out of retirement too?
He meant Todd and Gary!!!
Maybe Ace and Gary
Probably the best comment I’ll see all day. Good job, sir!
The Ambiguously Named Duo
No way does that come close.
For one year it’s more than enough.
It comes real close because the Os only have him for one year.
to happening because it’s a big overpay. It’s one year of Machado, there is limited value.
The O’s need pitching, not position players.
I say they pull a shocker and Padres get him if they don’t sign Hosmer. Padres will have money to spare plus they got probably the best farm system.
Na that won’t happen, Padres aren’t gonna win in 2018 with just Machado. He’s only under contract for 1 year and I would bet the Padres aren’t in his top 15 teams he’d wanna sign with. No chance of extending him at all.
I see the Orioles making this deal ultimately for an infielder (solid defensively) to replace Machado and then also a starting pitcher who is controllable for several more years. CHC might be able to offer that. As could Boston. .
Are Padres still a team?
Why would the Padres trade impact prospects (which Machado will cost) for a rental!?!?!?!?!?!? If they want him they’ll just wait a year and sign him.
That’s your answer to everything. Some teams may feel their best chance to compete for him is by having him play for a year on their team. Not saying it’s guaranteed to work, but they may feel it’s worth the gamble.
No, the impact prospects that Machado will cost are not worth MAYBE having a slightly better chance of signing him next year, especially when you’re going to have to pay through the nose either way.
I got laughed out of a Cubs message board for the suggestion that the Cubs should trade Russell, Montgomery, Tseng, La Stella, and Caratini, for Machado and Britton.
They said it was a huge overpay, but I don’t really think it is. All of those guys are blocked and you upgrade SS and your closer. Win/win. Baez slides over and takes SS in 2019 once Machado walks.
Not a terrible idea Jason. If he went to cubs they should extend him and keep Baez at second. Good god an infield of Wellington Castillo, Anthony rizzo, javy Baez, manny machado, and kris Bryant would be unreal. I may have to leave my southsiders and root root for the cubbies. Kidding I’d never but that would be insane.
It’s mainly unreal because Wellington Castillo hasn’t been a Cub since 2015…
I’m assuming he meant Willson Contreras. Which is way better than Castillo…
I don’t think the O’s have any use for Caratini, they have a young stud catcher in Chase Sisco who’s ready to contribute this year.
I’m a cubs fan as well, I don’t think that’s an overpay, a lot of Cubs fans overvalue Russell. I like Tseng’s potential and love Russell, but he’s no Machado. Maybe they resign Machado or are in a better spot to do so instead of diving into the Harper sweepstakes.
Dude! Don’t take the bait
Wellington Castillo plays for your southsiders now
Britton just tore his Achilles, so forget that idea…
Which starter tho?
Not if Britton wasn’t busted physically
He can play 1st and DH and backup catch. Nice piece to the puzzle. Not key piece tho
Not only that I didn’t know there were 5 infielders on a baseball team.
leave now and don’t look back
Frazier, Sheffield, and two lower prospects like Tate and McKinney.
I think to convince Angelos to trade in division, Torres, Adams and Sheffield would be what it takes.
Change Sheffield to Adams and I’d make the swap. Would hate to see Sheff get dealt away
Baltimore wants controllable starting pitching in return.
For a guy with one year left on his contract? Why not just save the prospects, and sign him next year when he’s a free agent?
Angelos will never allow him to go to the Yanks by trade
Stupid Yank fans love to pipe dream about everyone.
Your big move was Stranton enjoy that 280m salary.
Lol as they are Jacobys 160 mil.
Dumb Yank fan lol
You are exactly right about the Machado fiasco! Something just doesn’t seem right about the whole deal. Why won’t the Orioles simply ask Machado, “Who is your dream team to play for? And then ask for Machado’s choice team to work out a trade for him?” Is that too much common sense??
50 million for a 4-5 win player? No thank you.
That statement mimicked my facial reaction
$10mil per win. Seems about right.
He had 3.5 wins last year, 6.7 the year before and 7.1 the year before that. 25 years old. Not a Machado fan, but not much more valuable players in the entire MLB.
No way he’s worth $50mm for a year.
He’s good, but he’s not highest paid player in the game good. He’s not even the highest player on BAL in WAR.
Give me a break.
he’s got 50 million worth of value. That in no way indicates he’d make that much on the open market. it just takes into consideration the going rate for 1fWAR on the free agent market. it’s probably between 8 and 10 million per right now. So yes, that would be what Machado was worth. no one ever suggested paying him that much.
The accountants of actual MLB teams may beg to differ on what a WAR is worth. What hypothetical total payroll outlay is it based on?
Correct Mookie’s Lip…People are freaking out, acting like he’s saying Machado should get $50 mil a year…lol
Funny and pretty entertaining stuff, when people don’t read and comprehend the fairly obvious…
To put this in context it would be interesting g to see what the hypothetical payroll of entire rosters would cost.
would be if he took a one-year deal obviously he’s not going to get that avv but if he took a one-year deal he could probably get 50 million
7+ wins
$50 million for a 162 win player is too much. For a year? Had to be a typo….
All these players are monkey-see monkey-do. It’s not for the game or the fans anymore. It’s who’s gets paid more and the bigger contract.
That’s because of the union. They are strongly against players accepting a contract that is lower than a comparable player. They will even try to strong arm agents into convinving players into accepting a higher offer from a less desirable team just because they don’t want player salaries to ever slide backwards.
Did Machado say he wanted to be traded?
Doesn’t matter, no no-trade clause.
Owners are billionaires who profit because of every player…players have 1 chance to get their biggest contract for playing baseball…they should try and get every possible dollar in the situation each of them feels comfortable in…would you do your job for less if you were offered more?
This.
Yes, I’ve turned down job offers that would’ve paid me more than my current job, but in the end there are things that I value more than my paycheck.
Yeah, winning is one. I would guess long lerm stability is a second. Not that it is your pace to tell him what he should value.
Also, these are people not robots so they have lived outside of baseball. Where they play (location) is probably important too.
Everyone forgets that only 10 year that actually Work was jeter. The others are still stupid
Votto’s looks pretty good so far.
You are forgetting that many 10 year contracts were sign when the players were 3 to 5 years older than Machado.
I agree, go back to 2008 top 10 MVP for AL and NL and tell me who you wish your team signed to a 10 yr 400MM deal if they were all FA today.
Love that analogy. Well done.
There are only 9 of 10 years or more recently:
Stanton (2014 – 13 years)
Helton (2001 – 11 years)
Cano (2014 – 10 years)
Votto (2014 – 10 years)
Pujols (2012 – 10 years)
Tulowitzki (2011 – 10 years)
Rodriguez (2008 – 10 years)
Rodriguez (2001 – 10 years)
Jeter (2001 – 10 years)
Decent $ Value?
Helton
Jeter
Rodriguez #1
Busts?
Pujols
Tulowitzki (Not as bad as it looks at only $15-16 mil per year)
Rodriguez #2
Still Undecided?
Stanton
Cano
Votto
But Manny can be traded anywhere, he doesn’t have a no trade clause.
HOGWASH! No way he’s worth $50 million.
MAYBE $48-49, and that would be stretching it as well.
You can’t shout “HOGWASH” and act like it’s the most ridiculous thing and then say 1 million less. I would say about 35-40 million
someone needs a sarcasm detector
Someone else needs a sarcasm detector detector
I’m guessing there’s some sarcasm at play.
Seriously? You detected no sarcasm?
Are you seriously that dull???
Here’s my question. Why did four different people feel the need to rag on this guy?
The Orioles are going to overplay their hand and come up empty.
Best comment yet. As an O’s fan, I completely agree!
Machado will end up with an injury and the Os will end up with nothing….two young, controllable starting pitchers???? Silliness.
Working for angelos must be a nightmare. You know he’s behind this.
If I’m the Red Sox, I’d trade Rodríguez as the centrepiece in a Machado trade.
For 1 year?
Ya probably. I’d trade four year of what seems to be a back of the rotation pitcher for a superstar bat, as long as the prospects added on were only high upside lottery tickets, and not top prospects.
Rodriguez wouldn’t be the centerpiece, Baltimore would want a better player as the centerpiece. The Sox don’t have the farm to make this deal
A proven starting pitcher for one year of a player you’re not keeping beyond this year?..Hahahaha.. Rodriguez is an overpay, but I’d do it if I were the Sox.. And the O’s would be crazy not to take it.
Baltimore asking too much now. The best offer by close of business Friday. Take it.
Pretty much it. They can’t wait till the trade deadline because they’d get a lot less than what they can get now.
tell jays fans that about donaldson.
Jays though have a better chance to contend than Baltimore does even though I doubt they have a chance considering who they’re playing against in the division. And if they keep Donaldson, they have a better chance of extending him than Baltimore does with machado
This trade isn’t going to happen
Machado for Xander and Eduardo? Boston should make that trade as long as he agrees to an extension…
I’m pretty sure it’s bogaerts/Rodríguez
Doubt Baltimore would settle for those two
Not sure that’s even settling
Why even suggest a trade if you’re going to cap it off with “if he agrees to an extension?” If he wanted to take an extension it would have happened by now.
Yes but not with the O’s with the Yankees/Redsox/Dodgers/Cubs/Cardinals yes possibly.
He has explicitly stated he would love to stay in Baltimore. He’s refusing extension talks cuz he wants to be a free agent, not cuz it’s the Orioles.
Nobody wants to play for the cardinals…
Not that nobody wants to play for the cardinals
st louis is kinda stuck in a politically hot mess zone recently.
Then why give up the prospects? Lets take NY for an example. Why trade Frazier, Sheffield, or Andrujar for Machado for one year, then give him an extension, when you can just wait a year, sign him, and not have to give up any top prospects?
Unfortunately, this is partially true. I am guessing it is the city and being stuck in the midwest. But, once they start winning again, that won’t matter as much. They have tons of cash, and money talks. Unfortunately, they are scared to spend it most of the time.
Because he will give them a better shot at winning a championship in 2018. Although how much prospect capital that is worth is debatable.
I thought they were rather clear that they are looking for controllable pitching.
Feels like wishful thinking on Baltimore’s ownership!!!
Honest question for Cub fans…Is Machado that much of an upgrade over your current shortstop options that it would be worthwhile to trade one of them? We’re talking one year of Machado for several years of Cub options…
I think the Cubs think so which is what counts. They could move Russell and Schwarber for him.
The next ‘Sultan of Swat” and in Baltimore no less!
No way the Cubs do that trade for one year of Machado.
Kyle is not going anywhere Theo and Jed love him and his upside
Well no, they couldn’t. Every single time they post about Machado, they make clear O’s want pitching. Also, Theo doesn’t want to sell Schwarber b/c the Cubs like him “more than any other team” and he has rock bottom value right now. So again, no, the Cubs could/would not trade Russell and Schwarber for him.
Trading Russell and Schwarber for 1 year of Machado is crazy. I think trading 4 years of Russell alone for 1 year of Machado is silly. Russell is 3 years deep into his career and only 23. His defense at shortstop is probably top 3 in the league and, despite being a career 240 hitter, I think it’s too early to give up on his bat.
On the other hand, Machado is incredible. If the Cubs could trade Russell / another prospect and land Machado with the promise of a 72 hour window to negotiate a contract, yes please. Machado has unfortunately stated that he isn’t interested in such a pact, so there goes that.
It’s an interesting call. Assuming Machado reverts back to his years of hitting 290 with 30+ HR’s, maybe he could be the difference maker in another WS run.
Russell, Monty, Tseng, & Hatch for Manny & Britton
Id deal Addy in a heartbeat, if we cant retain him we still have Javy at SS
I agree. And I think Russell will be fine. Might take a few years, but Unless there is 99.9% certain Macho will bring the Cubs back to the WS. No Trade. Unlike the Chapman trade, Theo knew that was the piece that was going to do it. It cost us but we got the title. This is A LOT different.
No way in hell they give both those two
Tough call. If we can’t retain Machado we still have Baez to take over at SS. Doubt a deal happens since we dont have a young SP to include
Montgomery wants to be traded. Plus we have Tseng, who is a good mlb ready pitcher…
Not sure that would do it for Os?
Well, they would also get 4 years of Russell. I should’ve said that.
I’d trade Russell, Monty, Tseng, Caratini, and La Stella, for Machado and Britton. It gives the Orioles two promising young pitchers, one with mlb experience, including a save in game 7 of the WS, a 23 year old former AllStar defensive wizard SS, a rookie catcher ready for the bigs, and a .300 utility hitter who wants to start, but can’t find ABs on the Cubs.
If they are dead set on a return of pitching for M then the cub don’t have what they are looking for in minors since their pitching at lower levels very thin
The Orioles – specifically Angelos – played this trade scenario all wrong. I doubt any team meets their demand. I think that the best the O’s can hope for is that Machado has a great first half and someone overpays (but not with 2 controllable starters) for half a season of Machado. BTW, I found it hilarious that even though Angelos said he would not trade with the Yankees that the Yankees submitted an offer anyway. It probably ticked Angelos off to no end!
Angelos never said any such thing.
Go ahead, try to produce a quote.
It is well known that he will not trade Machado to the Yankees.
But why not? They only have to watch him play for a division rival for one year and get some of that division rival’s best prospects for the next decade possibly!
Where’s the quote?
The Pirates could actually meet that asking price but have no reason to rent a season of Machado. They could be used to create a three team trade.
Nor would The Pirates give him an extension worth a good amount of money.
I’ll say it again. The Yankees should be the ones hesitant about a Machado trade, not the Orioles. Orioles only have to watch Machado play for a division rival for one season. Yankees have to give up at least 2 impact prospects to get Machado then potentially watch them play for a division rival for the next decade.
If the Orioles are serious about rebuilding they have to trade him this winter. Offers aren’t going to be higher at the deadline when the acquiring team only gets him for 2 months as opposed to a full season and can’t QO him.
I could see the A’s jumping into the mix as it would add butts in the seats
Did you really suggest trading impact prospects in order to “put butts in the seats?” The absolute DELUSION!
Not even the Yankees would pay him $50 million a year
Enough with the macahado saga just trade him to the L.A. ANGELS !!!!
I would not trade X and E-Rod for a year of Machado; and he is not going to agree to an extension before testing the waters. I don’t think he cares much for the city of Boston and he could possibly be a cancer to the clubhouse with some possible grudges after being thrown at last year. I can just see him strangling Barnes now.
Can’t believe people are so quick to toss Bogaerts aside like this. He was clearly playing hurt last year and still had a nice BA with a great and sometimes amazing glove/arm. Too much control and talent to give him up.
I have doubts about E-Rods health, obviously, and I think BAL probably does too. They could find a better match for a pitcher of his caliber that has a better medical history.
Also, I’d pay $50MM/Year before to Machado before I get close to paying JD Martinez his desired contract and trading arguably the best Defensive CF in baseball just to make room for him. JBJ’s bat will come around; You watch.
Bradley is not even close to the best defensive CF. Both Kiermaier and Pillar are significantly better. Also Bogaerts only showed power in 2016…along with a well above-average BABIP.
You’re nuts in using the word “Significant” on JBJ. Notice I said “arguably”; the same can be said for the 2 you’ve named. And yes, 16’ Bogaerts power started to show. So without a wrist injury I think that power would have continued to show in the 20-25 HR range, and will in 18’ if he’s healthy.
JBJ is a great defensive center fielder seems to always be in the right spot. Makes difficult plays look easy both Pillar and Kiermaier make more spectacular plays or at least it appears that way seem to always be diving. JBJ went to already be there to make the play so he isn’t on as many highlight reels. With that being said about JBJ the best centerfielder in baseball is Buxton and it’s not really even close.
Only 2 years left for X and E-Rods knees are no better than CC’s who is 37
“50” million per year value.. When you start really thinking about how much money per year or over the course of a contract that professional athletes earn – honestly… No human being is worth 50 million dollars per year…..i mean really…do you know how many homeless ppl that would house or mouths that feed. But the real problem is those numbers are going to keep going up. Pete Rose signed a hefty deal in 1978 for 4 years 3.2 million – 800,000 per season…. So it’s unreal as to how these market values and team values and analyst values all come up with these figures that say without a doubt he should 400 million over a 7 or 10 yr period..etc. Personally, I think military (I am a veteran)..police..medical field related…fire.. Etc..those are the types that should make the most money but having been in the military I value the job higher than hitting a ball. Lol has more value and life risk obviously. . but i feel like these contracts are getting out of hand…eventually what? A billion dollar deal. I honestly don’t think Bryce Harper is worth 400, nor do i think he should get 200 mil. I mean look his numbers etc. The media has played a big part in making him the head of that franchise in many regards. Jose Abreu has better numbers…a guy back in the day like tony gwynn could hit circles around anybody… Do we get caught up in this fiasco so much as to say harper or machardo are better hitters than Gwynn or Dimagio? I understand times have changed. Bigger planet…2017…more money..blah blah.. But the basic principle and point at hand – He’s a good ball player but he’s not worth that much money. Ridiculous how contracts are getting out of hand.
Furthermore, another example can suggest the downfall. What happens when financial institutions get irresponsible or loan companies in the past were too excessive giving out loans? What happens over the yrs when wal mart dominates… K marts close..sears.. My other point being, this is going to keep going and going to where we get to a point where there is one or two players on billion dollar contracts. Guys on 500 million dollar deals. Tv contracts bigger…marketing..owners with deep pockets… But.. When you have 2 or 3 guys in the league making 400 million or a billion eventually, is that good for the league or fair to all the the other players who play hard but dont have the media backing or franchise marketing of their name? I think there needs to be a salary cap. Not based on market region and crap. A flat amount all the teams are allowed to spend and its the same for every team. If they dont wanna play then…fire em..greedy human beings. But seriously, there has to be a limit. No man is worth that kind of money….especially men who fight for their country or stay at home with 5 kids do more valuable things for life and purpose. Im sorry..i love baseball with passion but he has not earned 400 million dollars and if someone says otherwise then you’re stupid and part of the problem and can’t see that hey eventually…its all gonna crash down stock market style. Angels are hampered by puljous… Yankees can afford stanton but its just crap we idolize and reward based on entertainment and not human value.
Who said capitalism is fair? Especially monopoly capitalism.
Pay that much too a doctor and no one, not even socialism, could pay one.
I have this argument with my fiancée all the time. You sound like a smart enough guy. I appreciate your service to the country. While the idea of the most important people in the world making the most money, based on their value to society, sounds like a good idea, you have to look at how that would be practical. Where does the money come from? A lot of what you mentioned are paid for by our taxes. Are you suggesting we tax the MLB, all teams/owners/players, as well as every other league, for most of what they make to pay them what they really are worth? The idea of a salary cap in baseball is sickening to me. What they have in place is adequate, a soft luxury cap. If you put in a hard salary cap say of $150 million per team, guess what happens? The owners win. The revenue and tv deals remain the same, but more money goes into the owner’s pocket rather than the players. Is that what you want? You are looking at this with a narrow lens, that a baseballs players skills are not worth $50 million dollars compared to say a brain surgeon’s $250k skill. But it’s business. These players are attractions, they are assets, they put butts in the seats, they sell jerseys, they help sell tv deals. Yeah, they are just playing a kids game at the end of the day, but they are the reason these teams are profitable so it’s much better the money goes to them versus the owners.
Wait what? Why is Eduardo Rodriguez’s name in the article? He has arguably been one of the worst pitchers in the game for 2 straight years. And from what I see, a very limited ceiling. Maybe a Jaime Garcia type. Overpay my rear end. Rodriguez is the 3 and last player before the “top 2 prospects” that go in any trade for Machado. Strange valuation by Cameron. Would be keen to see what he is working with or looking at on this one.
Why Bogarets? Why Russell? Over all a very odd assortment of players to have any mention along side or in a trade for Machado.
Which Eduardo Rodriguez have you been watching? He’s been about league average the last 2 years. ERA+ 2016-95, 2017-109 but he also can’t seem to stay healthy.
The value of a a player to the average population in the market is not the same to a team with a glaring hole at 3B and SS who wants to compete in 2018.
Manny is a massive upgrade over XB regardless of what the position biased WAR says. Keeping him from joining Stanton in the Yankee lineup is a bonus. Their LH rotation faces them 18-19 times a year
Furthermore, the Orioles do not need to trade Manny unless its worth their while. They want controllable pitching or players who can get that for them. Red sox probably have to throw in Groome in
addition to XB and Erod
You want Manny? Gonna need a better package than Jeter got for Stanton or Ozuna which was simply a salary dump/gift
I don’t understand the people who think 4 rears of Addison Russell isn’t worth a Machado trade. He had a down year last ear, but is an amazing baseball player. Now I say if you make any trade you must extend him at least 2 years and have him for no less than 3. I know it’s way too soon to give up on Russell, but I believe Baez should be playing everyday at SS anyways. Example: see how the Cubs did last year with him there?? I’d love to see they’re W-L record with Javy during that stretch. There was an intangible for having him there dazzling an pumping teammates up. That being said, trade Schwarber (I really wish we had a DH, but we don’t) and Russell , plus 2 minor league pitchers. 1 high 1 mid-high Quality for Machado and Britton. I would even entertain he idea of flipping Britton and signing Addison Reed.
If Manny ‘s a rental, A. Russell and 2 minor leaguers. If he’s staying longer the package would have to be major. And if you do get Britton , still should sign A. Reed. Your window is now, and you KNOW you HAVE TO HAVE. A super bullpen.
Praise God you are not the CHicago GM
Did you watch the WS? The team who won had no bullpen at all.
Cardinals still need a power bat. If the White Sox get Machado, then Abreau will be off the table. That’s the real big bats still on the market. Is Mozeliak going to fumble again. Although I’d still take my chances with On Yelich too. A big package to Miami for him and their catcher. Then package Rosey in a deal for another big move. Wong, Carpenter and Gyroko could be in the package to Miami along with Flahnery.
Why would the rebuilding White Sox trade for Manny Machado the one year rental?
They’re not trading for him. They have a plan and appear to be following it. They’ll contend in about 2 years if they’re able to move Abreau for value.
Rosey is no longer on cards, he was released. Yelich yes, but why would we want Realamuto? And if they had to give up Wong, carpenter and gyorko and Flaherty for yelich and realamuto, the roster gets much worse. There are moves to be made, yes. Still need a closer and Id love it if they added another bat but not if it costs more than the return. Cards have another big move in them but doesn’t necessarily have to be a bat. If they improve on run prevention side, that could help them as much as a bat.
Cardinals have at least a couple of big moves still…another bat and closer
How do you have a user name with Cardinals in it and don’t know who’s on our roster? #Fail
Rosey? As in Rosenthal the pitcher? He’s hurt
and a free agent !
wishfull thinking but they are not going to be interested in old Carpenter, and probably not Gyroko. Anything the Cards do now involving a BIG name ticket will include Reyes. I knwo the Card fans are like no way. It is just that No way. Other than signing a FA the Cards trades are done, unless it starts with Reyes. Cards aren’t getting Macho or Yelich wo Ryes in the deal plain and simple like it or not. No matter how you feel. The Cards won’t do it, so no worries but then again don’t expect a trade either. That si reality. Not hating just reality.
$50 million. For a year? Willie Mays in his prime MAYBE. If he is worth THAT then what would my Cubs have to pay Bryant and Rizzo if they trade for him? They are both better run producers than Machado…..
If Mays is worth 50 million in his prime then what about better players who had higher WAR in their prime? Mantle, Ruth, and Cobb for example?
I agree $50 million a year not happening. Not sure even Cobb, Mays, Ruth or Lou Gehrig would be worth that in todays world. You have to be over 400 BA for a few years to even consider it.
The Cubs don’t have to worry about paying Rizzo and KB till 2021-2022 so that not an issue. A lot can happen in 4-5 years.
Please define “run producer.” Manny Machado has driven in more runs than Kris Bryant over the last 3 years, and he hit SIGNIFICANTLY better than Bryant with RISP last year (better than Rizzo too)…
He’s not getting traded until the deadline. The Orioles are not going to get value for him and they’re paralyzed because of that. Far too often teams fear what might happen if they make a trade instead of having a clear plan for the future and executing it. The Orioles are destined for years of continued futility in a very difficult division.
So Jon Heyman is saying dbacks should trade Shelby Miller for Machado
Cards gave miller and Tyrell jenkins for heyward and Walden. So Flaherty and say Gomber or other lower pitching prospect for machado and brittton? I’d do that in a heartbeat. And even throw in an OF such as grichuk, bader etc. in hindsight the trade for heyward, even with him leaving after one year, seems to have been pretty even all in all. Worth the gamble and risk that manny likes it enough to resign with you. Not for a discount but if he likes where he’s at, and money’s equal then that has to be a slight edge
If the o’s only lose machado for draft pick compensation they truly are clueless
No dip.
Look how the organization is run… they’re clueless. They’re afraid to make a wrong move and hence they always make the wrong move. It’ll be many years before they’re viable again.
What about Wacha and Dakota Hudson for Machado? Seems pretty similar to the Miller/Heyward swap.
Too much, Hudson has a lot more upside than Jenkins. And wacha has performed better than miller ever did. Flaherty and Gomber for machado plus decent bullpen arm is most comparable
Stevie’s deal is closer when thinking of years of control, and probably closer to something the Cardinals would be willing to do. Miller had 4 years of team control remaining when dealt. Wacha has 3, Flaherty 6. I don’t see Mo giving 6 years of Flaherty for 1 year of Machado.
I also disagree that Hudson has more upside than Jenkins did, but he is a better prospect, since he’s much more likely to meet his upside. Jenkins was a lottery ticket. I see Junior Fernandez as a better comparison to Jenkins than Hudson is. He’ll be great if he ever makes the majors, but unless he learns command, he’ll never make it past AA.
The Cards are not trading prospects or talent for 1 yr. of Machado. It will never happen.
It did three years ago….in heyward trade. Almost exact same scenario. With biggest difference being they had a larger need with taveras passing. Don’t know how likely they are to machado but if price is right Mo would absolutely do it
But the market is totally different now then it was then
and they didn’t give up hardly anybody in that trade like they would have to for Machado.
Plus Machado is not even talking about an extension
and his cost is gonna be twice as much!
Clearly the Yankees is the deal that makes sense. They have the prospects and he would obviously re-sign. Not wanting to deal in your division is stupid you’ve got to take the best deal. Or risk losing your best player for nothing.
I don’t think it’s obvious he would re-sign, but a good chance that he would.
Machado is a “shiny object” in a free agent market that is dull as dirt. Because of the mediocre talent available in free agency this year, these trade candidates such as Stanton and now Machado are going to get high asking prices back Stanton should have got a truck load of prospects back but Jeter was content with a shovel load of prospects. Machado’s price is going to be too high right now for just one year. If I’m the Cubs, I wait ti’ll mid-season to entertain the idea of trading away 1-2 MLB players for him. At that point, his asking price will be lower and more obtainable by teams. Maybe a deal surrounded by Happ, Schwarber and prospects get it done than
happ for 1/2 a year at the deadline for Machado would be an overpay, unless of course Happ tanks this year and Machado would get them over the hump. Happ has 6 years of control left, which is significant.
I think Happ has tremendous value to the Cubs. Not sure what his trade value is (probably fairly high), but I think, given his production as a rookie–255 and 24 home runs, plus defensive versatility–he should be in the Cubs plans for awhile, especially if he gets that strikeout rate down in his 2nd / 3rd season.
I think Dave Cameron from Fangraphs is a lunatic!! Assigning that value to Bogaerts and ERod is a joke! I bleed Red Sox blood…but that’s nuts!
I’d deal 2ys of Bogaerts (at whatever price he gets in Arb) and 4yrs of ERod for a Machado rental RIGHT FLIPPING NOW!!! I think he’d quickly become addicted to the environment and the winning!! Even if he walks after the year….it’s worth a shot! 10yrs – $350 mil
Hearing Longoria to Giants is a done deal and should be announced shortly.
Imo I think the best move for the O’s is to sign Moustakas to play third, then if we have to keep Machado he’s our shortstop. If we trade him, Beckham is at short and we still have power and a decent third baseman
Rangers should seriously consider trading for Machado since Beltre is going to be 39 years old in 2018. To obtain him would cost the Rangers dearly in top prospects – which they have only a few.
So Baltimore wants to add a very promising young player with Machado to get more value back like Atlanta did?
Add in Austin Hays, and I’d bet Hahn would happily throw Giolito your way.
This has become a circus!
Agree. Makes for ratings
The kid is Punk.
Good luck to whatever organization ends with with that JO!
So much for packaging Zach Britton with him.
I’m reasonably sure the Cubbies would be DELIGHTED to trade Hayward for Machado! (laffing)
This is the epitome of non-stories. There is nothing to report, so let’s speculate with no additional information just because the business side of a player in his walk year suggests the team can be left with zero (or tiny) return on a player who will command a bidding war. I wish they would wait until there is something to actually report.
Screw machado and I say the sox go get yelich and realmuto instead
Cubs should send Russell, Tseng, Montgomery, Zagunis, and a 5th piece for Machado and one of Brad Brach, Darren O’Day, or Richard Bleier
The White Sox will be better than the Cubs this year….PERIOD