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Epstein On Free Agency, Morrow, Core

By Steve Adams and Jeff Todd | January 25, 2018 at 9:46pm CDT

Though it has undeniably been a slow winter, the Cubs have been among the more active organizations in baseball, signing Tyler Chatwood, Brandon Morrow, Steve Cishek and Brian Duensing all to multi-year deals. Still, as fans and pundits alike muse on the pace of free agency, Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein revealed this week that the Cubs’ front office is in a similar boat.

In a must-read interview with The Athletic’s Jon Greenberg (subscription link), Epstein says that the glacial offseason and various theories to explain it are a frequent topic of conversation — within the front office and also with players and agents. “We’re all saying to each other, ‘I can’t believe nothing has happened’ and we’re discussing reasons why,” Epstein tells Greenberg.

It seems that those inside the game are chewing on theories much like the rest of us. We’ve addressed the slow-moving market several times throughout the winter — see, e.g., here and here — while emphasizing that it’s difficult to pinpoint causes or effects at this point. It’s somewhat interesting and notable to hear Epstein himself express similar uncertainty; what’s occurred (or not) to date has certainly set the stage for an unprecedented period of activity before the start of Spring Training and, ultimately, the 2018 season.

As noted, the Cubs have signed four players to multi-year deals already and may yet add a fifth — they’re reportedly pursuing Yu Darvish, among other free-agent pitchers — and Epstein offered some interesting insight into several of his signings to date. Though he dishes on several moves, his comments on the Morrow signing seem particularly worthy of further exploration.

Morrow, he states, was told at the time he signed that “he was our closer unless somehow, we were able to bring back Wade Davis.” (That didn’t happen, as Davis inked a three-year, $52MM contract with the Rockies.) The statement not only lends clarity to Morrow’s role but also seemingly casts doubt on the possibility of the Cubs acquiring another high-end reliever, be it free agent Greg Holland or a trade candidate such as Tampa Bay’s Alex Colome.

Morrow’s two-year, $22MM deal with the Cubs would’ve been little more than fantasy this time last year, as the 33-year-old was coming off a string of up-and-down seasons that were proliferated by injuries. He ultimately settled for a minor league deal with the Dodgers and proved to be one of the best such signees all winter, parlaying a dominant bullpen run into a two-year deal and a ninth-inning gig.

It’s worth noting that Epstein stressed the Cubs see it as a true ninth-inning role for Morrow. Much in the way the team limited Davis to one-inning stints in the ninth inning (or later in extra innings), Morrow will be deployed primarily for clean innings in save situations. Epstein’s comments on Morrow’s usage are perhaps his most interesting of all, as he outwardly expressed that the team will “take suboptimal usage on a nightly basis for a better chance [for Morrow] to stay healthy over the course of seven months.”

Of course, beyond free agency, the Cubs were expected to be players on the trade market this offseason, as Epstein and GM Jed Hoyer acknowledged early in the offseason that they’d have to be open-minded when it came to potentially trading some young position players (e.g. Albert Almora, Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber, Javier Baez, Ian Happ) if presented with the opportunity to add a controllable young arm for the rotation. Such opportunities never presented themselves, at least not to the extent that the Cubs saw fit to surrender any of those young hitters in trade talks with a rival club. While some would argue that the Cubs are left with a surplus, Epstein & Co. see things differently.

“It’s not a coincidence the Royals, us and the Astros all developed a position player core that came up together, went through adversity together, learned to win at the big league level, lost in the postseason and then came back in the postseason to win a championship,” Epstein explains. “…We’re sticking with our identity rather than do deals we didn’t like.”

While it seems reasonable to presume that the organization has not fully ruled out trades involving these players — indeed, the Cubs were reportedly a finalist for Lorenzo Cain, which might’ve been the prelude to a deal — it certainly sounds as if Epstein expects to keep the position-player unit intact into camp. But that doesn’t mean things won’t get interesting. With plenty of payroll space left to work with, the Cubs remain a looming presence on the free agent market — both this year and next. (After all, as Epstein notes, this offseason presented a “puzzle” in part because it comes “before a really deep, impactful free agent market next year.”)

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  1. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    I’m weary of morrow. He was an amazing story last season but since 2013 coming into last season he’s averaged around 11.5 games or so per season. He could have very well been lightning in a bottle and the cubs could very well miss Davis. I wish morrow good health

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    • mga2q7

      7 years ago

      I’m good with rolling those dice since they signed another very capable closer in Cishek

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      • Yankeepatriot

        7 years ago

        It’s a great signing if he can replicate 2017 but history says he won’t. The good news is his deal is only for two years

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      • skip 2

        7 years ago

        Cishek?? Man I’m just not sure if I’m 100% comfortable with him.

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      • jasonpen

        7 years ago

        And they also have Carl Edwards Jr.

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          7 years ago

          Dillon Maples is the name to watch. Super talented kid, who was always his own worst enemy in the minors. Was almost out of baseball 2 years ago, then recomitted himself, and went from A ball to the majors all in the span of one minor league season. He seems to have a bulldog attitude, and wants the ball when the game is on the line. I’m curious to see what Jim Hickey and Jim Benedict can do with his pure stuff. He has a heavy fastball that he throws anywhere from 95-100, and it has a ton of movement. He also mixes in a devestating upper 80s wipeout slider that has already had major leaguers scratching their heads. some scouts have it as a plus plus pitch. on top of those two offerings, he still throws a power curve ( his best offering as an amateur) in the low 80s that flashes plus as well. if they can get him to throw anywhere near the plate, then the cubs closer situation looks pretty rosy. he still walks too many, but he was super tough to barrel up in the minors, and struck out 111 batters in only 68 innings

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        • OldishCubsFan

          7 years ago

          Like.

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          7 years ago

          i love the downvotes with no rebuttals or even a half hearted attempt to combat anything i posted. you realize that further proves my point? you guys are great

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      • matthew102402

        7 years ago

        Good god, no you are not comfortable with Cishek at closer unless you hate your team. Watching Cishek in a save situation is almost a punishment to your eyes.

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        • KB R.

          7 years ago

          Cishek is not that bad. In his career he has an 83% success rate at wrapping up saves. For comparison’s sake Chapman has an 89% rate for his career and Jansen has a 90%. We’re talking a measly 6-7 percentage points here people. What does that mean? In a year when a closer gets 50 save opportunities 6-7% success rate difference means the better closer will get 45 saves, and the “bad” closer at 83% will get 41.5….. so 41-42 saves. So Cishek is “sh**” because if given the same amount of opportunities as, say, Jansen he’ll “only” get 41 saves to Jansen’s 45. This is why I wish more fans understood math. People fret over the most marginal of stats. And then of course there is the fact that Cishek isn’t even the closer. He’s likely not even their #2 option….. or even their 3rd. This team is LOADED with relievers who have late inning experience in Morrow, Strop, Edwards, Cishek, and Wilson. Wilson, so far, is probably the worst of the bunch. Wilson’s had an up and down career performance-wise so we shall see how he is in 2018. He was complete trash in 2017 once he came over from Detroit…… but with Detroit he was NASTY; 2.68 ERA, 0.95 WHIP, 12.3 K/9, 3.6 BB/9. His walks killed him once he got to Chicago, walking NINETEEN guys in 17.2 IP as a Cub. And then there is “jack of all trades” Mike Montgomery who seemingly can do whatever the team asks him to do. Remember, it was Mike GD Montgomery who saved game 7 of the World Series…… not the overrated bum Chapman they traded Torres for…… no, Montgomery was mopping up Chapman’s mess when he let a dude who had 54 career HRs in 11 seasons blast one over the left field wall. So yeah, tell me how important it is to have a DOMINANT closer again. Ken Giles and his career 82% save success rate and the Astros seemed to do just fine last year.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Saves also don’t really tell you if the pitcher is good though. A closer could have a disastrous inning and give up two runs and still get a save

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        • chris5

          7 years ago

          6-7% can actually be quite a big difference. Trying asking your bank for that kind of return on your savings account.

          In your 50 save opportunity scenario though you compare those percentages and come up with a save difference of 4. That’s not just about counting up some stat. That means 4 blown saves, which could mean 4 wins your team might not get. 4 more wins last year means Yankees could have had the division over Boston or Milwaukee makes the last wildcard and Colorado is out.

          Maybe saves themselves don’t honestly mean a whole lot, but blown saves can be a very big deal.

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    • northsidecrossrifles

      7 years ago

      i can certainly see why, but what pitcher doesn’t have question marks? wade davis’ velocity was down, he’s suffered forearm injuries in his recent past, and he seemed to lose his command and his walks were really high for a closer. those precursors have signalled Tommy John for some, and huge regressions for others. i’d much rather have Morrow at 2 yrs 22 million, then wade davis for 3 yrs 52 million, with an option for a 4th. greg holland imploded in the 2nd hald last year, and has already had TJ, and was reportedly seeking a massive payday. as much as Morrow is a risk, so are the other options on the market, and he costs significantly less while arguably being more talented. its not like he came out of nowhere. he has the prospect pedigree. he was drafted ahead of kershaw and tim lincecum. he pitched all of 15 innings in the minors before being rushed to the majors bc his stuff was so good. he’s been tampered with a lot, but he’s had flashes of dominance. remember when he struck out 17? in SD is fastball wasn’t all the way back, so it appeared he learned some command while there. will he be as good as last year? probably not. but at the price the cubs got him, i would bet he provides more value over davis or holland over the duration of the deals, and he’s really not that much of a risk compared to those two either

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      • northsidecrossrifles

        7 years ago

        do people not even attempt to have a reasonable debate anymore? just downvotes?

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    • whereslou

      7 years ago

      I wonder what Morrow would have turned out like if the Mariners would have been more patient with him and let him pitch in the minors for a full year longer. Not keep calling him up and down switching him from a starter to a BP arm. They had that kids head swimming he never knew what his role was going to be week to week almost. He would show flashes of brilliance then struggle and they would switch him to the BP. Then awhile later back to a starter. Did it for 3 or 4 years. I think his path would have been much better if he was handled better.

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  2. ChiSoxCity

    7 years ago

    Yep, the Cubs are done dealing.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      If they don’t replace arietta or at least resign him then that’s bad news for their rotation

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      • Ry.the.Stunner

        7 years ago

        If they don’t, they’re stupid. There are four glaring opportunities out there right now to fill that role and not that many suitors, so there’s no excuse for them to not sign one of them.

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        • Yankeepatriot

          7 years ago

          In my opinion the reason why they haven’t gotten one of arietta/darvish/Cobb/Lynn is because they are trying to get a shorter term commitment with one of them. They are all asking for more years than the cubs are willing to go. Considering how it’s less than 3 weeks away till spring training I’m sure one of them will get desprate and agree to less years

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      • ncaachampillini

        7 years ago

        Wow how much of your days yankeepatriot and chisoxcity do you guys spend commenting on Cubs related posts? There have been 6 comments on this post so far and two are from the two biggest Cubs trolls out there! This is hysterical.

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        • Yankeepatriot

          7 years ago

          I don’t see trolling, just civil discussion about this game that we all love

          Take your insecurities elsewhere lol

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        • michaelw

          7 years ago

          Yankeepatriot a good guy even if he’s a Yank fan. JK
          I gave him a hard time before but he has never really bashed the Cubs. He’s very knowledgeable on baseball love it or hate it. I respect that. Sure he’s excited about his team. Can you blame him. I would be too. There are trolls all over our board but YP ain’t one of them.

          With that said as all the trolls think I myself and I doubt Cub fans are in a panic state. If they sign Darvish then I would be concerned but not in a panic state. Their far from done. He’s just being smart and patient with money. All good things to those that wait.
          Remember everyone was heart broken when Price didn’t go to the Cubs. How’s that working out? Saved the Cubs 217 Million.
          Not even close to a panic stage. Sure Milw got a bit better. So what. Games still have to be played. Not to mention Stranton, Yelich, Gordon and Ozuna all played together and Miami was still under 500 and a losing team. In a weak Duv I might add. One guy not going make a big difference. The Cubs won 92 games on a off year with injuries. I’m not worried. Cain doesn’t impress me at all. AA n Happ make up for Cain easy. So haters will say whatever. When the Cubs sign someone it be the guy garbage, over pay, not worth it.
          No matter who it is. Haters are like a broken record. All talk n no action

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        • ChiSoxCity

          7 years ago

          Where am I trolling? Usually when a GM makes announcements like summarizes which players they acquired, it’s a message to the fan base. In this case, Epstein is telling us there will be no more major signings. This came less than an hour after a division rival makes two major acquisitions back to back. That is significant to Cubs fans and fans in general about the direction of the team. Getting mad at someone and calling them a troll for making a completely rational observation is, well, dumb. Don’t kill the messenger.

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        • Cachhubguy

          7 years ago

          So, you think that interview was done after the Cain move?

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        • ncaachampillini

          7 years ago

          Hey yankpatriot I apologize- I just went back and read the Yelich story/comments. It’s yankeeaddiction who is the out of touch with reality poster not you. I apologize! His best comment was talking about how the cubs are doomed because they lost their heart and soul in Lackey.

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        • mike127

          7 years ago

          It really doesn’t say that there are going to be more major signings. It infers that Davis may have been an option at a right price and that the writer doesn’t foresee a big expenditure on Holland or Colome, from what he gathered from Theo.

          There is nothing in the article that addresses an addition starter and Darvish, Arrieta, and even Cobb (perhaps Lynn) would be a major move.

          Greenberg posted this article in The Athletic Thursday morning, well ahead of any of the Brewers transactions. There is a time stamp on the article.

          These postings are nothing more than coincidental on this site. There has been nothing this offseason to indicate that Theo and Jed’s plan for the bullpen has been anything other than to build via depth, not spend huge on one guy.

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        • mike127

          7 years ago

          It was not—I just clicked on the article and it says “21 Hours Ago” which would put it sometime Thursday morning, meaning the interview was done ahead of that time. He probably got the interview at the Cub Convention or from one of the many he does on local radio in Chicago.

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        • Yankeepatriot

          7 years ago

          It’s ok, peace, joy and baseball lol

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      • stlcubsfan

        7 years ago

        Mike Montgomery is a very capable rotation piece. I fail to see the panic.

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        • IACub

          7 years ago

          More concerned about rotation depth. If Montgomery is number 5, then there isn’t a trustworthy 6 on the team

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        • ReverieDays

          7 years ago

          Eddie Butler did well last year as a replacement when Hendricks went down.

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        • realist101

          7 years ago

          Butler’s peripherals last year scream danger. Low strikeout rate (only 4.9 K/9 innings), almost as many walks as strikeouts (30 K’s, 28 BB’s), and a low HR/FB rate that we should expect to regress upwards.

          Looking at his xFIP, which takes into account what “should” happen with the above peripherals and is more predictive than ERA, Butler was pitching like a 5.59 ERA pitcher last year.

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        • Hammmbone

          7 years ago

          Ummmm no he isn’t. Keep him in the bullpen.

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      • ncaachampillini

        7 years ago

        The cubs are done dealing. The cubs are done dealing. Not even sure what that means but every time you’ve said it this offseason the cubs have picked up another player. So I guess Cobb/Arrieta/Darvish will be signed within 48 hours.

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      • internet1tough1guy

        7 years ago

        Disagree, I’d rather sign no one and go with Montgomery than sign arrieta.. dude has lost his stuff. His velocity has dropped over 2mph. Walks waaaay too much. And he’ll just get older and worse.. Montgomery can at least pitch to a 3.5 era or better.. they can just trade for a starter at the all star break if needed.. I’d be interested in darvish if he’d sign for 3yrs or less and Cobb if he signed for 3/48 or less. Otherwise the contracts will be complete over pays

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        • BlueJayFan1515

          7 years ago

          Keep dreaming on Darvish for 3 years or less. Keep dreaming.

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        • bucnole31658

          7 years ago

          Arrieta has literally only been a good pitcher for 18 months husband entire career. Darvish isn’t coming to Chicago he wants long term, Cobb also. The Yankees are relying on Lester, Hendricks, and Quintana to carry them.

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        • TrueOutcomeFan

          7 years ago

          Smh…

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    • Cachhubguy

      7 years ago

      Of course, you know they aren’t done.

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    • Cubguy13

      7 years ago

      He is 29 years old, has a career era in the mid 3s even though his last two seasons were right around 4, but that can also be partly attributed to playing in the offense heavy AL East. His 249 strikeouts last year were I believe 2nd in the league to only Chris Sale and he has averaged close to 250 strikeouts over the last 3 seasons. He is highly affordable and has been highly durable to this point although I can also see him going down with an injury soon given the kind of pitcher he is but with all the upside to him, hes worth the risk

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      • Cubguy13

        7 years ago

        My Archer comment was in reply to ChiSoxCity asking why everyone is fascinated with Archer. Not sure why it posted it up here though

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  3. mga2q7

    7 years ago

    Making room for Harper is what he means to say

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    • bastros88

      7 years ago

      Why would they sign Bryan Harper, he’s a minor league relief pitcher………..

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    • jasonpen

      7 years ago

      Yeah, if Darvish or Arrieta restricts them from getting Harper, I say hard pass.

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  4. simschifan

    7 years ago

    Cubs competition makes two big moves and this is the story they get?

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    • mlb1225

      7 years ago

      Theo is on damage control right now. He knows that The Brewers are going to be a serious threat to them next year, and The Cubs still have some unresolved issues with their pitching.

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      • simschifan

        7 years ago

        I thought they would be serious competition before these two moves

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        • mlb1225

          7 years ago

          I think they were in competition before the 2 moves, but I think after these moves, it really solidifies them into serious contenders.

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        • Djones246890

          7 years ago

          Brewers need a lot more pitching to be a legitimate threat. They’ll make it interesting, but will ultimately fall short.

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      • jasonpen

        7 years ago

        A top 4 of Lester, Quintana, Hendricks, and Chatwood isn’t bad. Better than the Brewers rotation.

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        • simschifan

          7 years ago

          That’s why they play 162. I sure the hell hope so

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      • Cachhubguy

        7 years ago

        Damage control? What does that mean? He’s been to the NLCS 3 years in a row, with one Champiinship. Where’s the damage?

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  5. DanielADavis

    7 years ago

    The Cubs bullpen looks great with the new additions. Having multiple guys to fill different roles will keep them fresh and eager to succeed.

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    • Hammmbone

      7 years ago

      Great. Not really. Good. For sure. Morrow wasn’t the man in LA, Jansen was. You don’t just become a great closer because you were a good set-up guy. Cishek with his funky delivery should be the guy.

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      • pt57

        7 years ago

        Having Morrow close a clean 9th isn’t a bad plan. I’d be more concerned with the high leverage situations earlier in the game.

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  6. timtim007

    7 years ago

    Interesting that the free agents that have signed (at least I think), are represented by agencies other than Boras. They were obviously happy with the offers presented to them or they wouldn’t have signed.

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  7. jdgoat

    7 years ago

    It’s going to be a great race in the NL this year. I think the central will be the most exciting division in baseball.

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    • matthew102402

      7 years ago

      Definitely. Not just the Central, but my god, imagine the race for the wild card. Brewers, Cubs, Cards, (2 of the 3), Rockies, Diamondbacks, maybe Giants and Mets. That’s a race and a half. It’s going to be great watching the NL this year.

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    • jimmyz

      7 years ago

      Central should be fun. Brewers and Cubs could both use a mid-rotation or better starter. It’ll be very interesting to see what each team does to improve their rotation and starting depth the rest of the offseason. Cards will be in the race, they pretty much always are in the race. Pirates and Reds will be seeing a lot of young players but it really wouldn’t surprise me if both win 70-75 games or so.

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Like 2015 JD.

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  8. chgobangbang

    7 years ago

    NL has been weak, didn’t cub have losing record last year against better teams? Nice thing about the next year everyone starts fresh and anything can happen except for bottom 2/3 of NL no parity

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Not really lol. It all works out by math in the end.

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  9. michaelw

    7 years ago

    Just remember Cub fans our outfield is 24,25,27 year of age. What ave age of Milw outfield. I’m not even a bit concerned. Nail that SP that’s all I care about. Remember it was the number 1 ranked pitching staff that won the title in 2016. The rest will take care of itself.

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    • Hammmbone

      7 years ago

      It’s 2018!!! 2016 is a memory. The staff they have now is different. Hendricks has to stay healthy, Lester has to keep his velocity, Q needs run support, and Montgomery isn’t a starter. They need a pitcher. OF age notwithstanding, you forget that Schwarber was statistically the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. How do you feel about trading him to an AL team for a top flight pitcher????

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      • TrueOutcomeFan

        7 years ago

        Statistically the worst defensive outfielder in baseball… you have absolutely nothing to back that up.

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      • Clockradiospeaker

        7 years ago

        You’re statistically the worst outfielder in baseball.

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  10. AR

    7 years ago

    Good for the Brewers. Now they can compete with the Cards for 2nd place.

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  11. Clockradiospeaker

    7 years ago

    The idea of Bryce Harper in a Cubs Jersey turns my stomach, and I’ve been a Cubs fan for over 30 years. Spend all the money this year Mr. Epstein.

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    • northsidecrossrifles

      7 years ago

      why? he’s a generational talent who has already won an MVP, and hasn’t hit his peak years yet. if he ever hits his astronomical ceiling, he’s even better than Mike Trout. and don’t give me the excuse “we won’t be able to resign Bryant, Rizzo, etc” …. The cubs are the only major market north american sports tv without a long term TV deal. i’m sure crane kenny is working on negotiating it as we speak. that will kick in sometime around 2020, and it will allow us to run obsurd payrolls if need be. the cards got over a billion a couple years back, and the dodgers nearly 8 billion before them. with the product on the field, the 3 quarter of billion dollar renovations to wrigley, the rebranding thats been going on over the last several, plus the neighborhood in wrigleyville becoming even more of an attraction, the cubs are set up to get a TV deal closer to the dodgers than the cards.

      if you just don’t like the guy, then ok, i get it. but try to look past that and see how it could be much more beneficial to the cubs to break the bank on his talent, rather than a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 who is trending down.

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      • Clockradiospeaker

        7 years ago

        Valid points, all of them. The truth of the matter is I don’t care for Bryce Harper. On a team full of character guys, his presence would be jarring. I’d prefer we lock up the talent we already have, and fill holes as needed.

        Peace

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        • Cachhubguy

          7 years ago

          The only thing players care about is winning. They would accept Harper with open arms. And I don’t agree with your characterization of him either.

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        • Clockradiospeaker

          7 years ago

          Ok so we disagree about Bryce Harper. I just think the Cubs can win a World Series this year if they add a top of the rotation starter.

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        • Cubguy13

          7 years ago

          I think with Harper and Bryant being close, Bryant will be able to keep Harper having fun and his character will change. We also don’t have Papelbon on the team to choke him either. I used to not be a huge fan of Harpers personality a few years back but I do think he will click on this Cubs team

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      • Bocephus

        7 years ago

        If you’re banking on Harper signing as a Cub then next winter is surely gonna be Brutal for you. That is some crap that Peter Gammons spat out months back and recanted that a few days later..apologizing. Since then it’s a rumor Cubs fanboys have been beating the drums for. Trying to link Harper to the Cubs with his friendship with Bryant and spouting their vast resources. They think for one just because Stanton is a Yankee their automatically out of signing him let alone blatantly disregarding the Nats. Wishful thinking at its peak on Harper..oh he grew up a Yankees fan by the way..check it.

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        • justin-turner overdrive

          7 years ago

          He grew up in Nevada, puh-leeze

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        • Cachhubguy

          7 years ago

          Actuually Harper and Bryant are the ones beating the drum on that one. I don’t Know where ge’ll end up but he’ll Consider the Cubs.

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          What the hell does it matter where he grew up? Lebron grew up in Ohio and is a Yankees and Cowboys fan. puh-leeze yourself…

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          How is Harper doing that?

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        • ncaachampillini

          7 years ago

          The Cubs have a very good chance to sign Harper or Machado next offseason. Not a sure thing of course but pretty good chance. Signing machado frees up Russell who if he rebounds this year would have good trade value. Infield of Rizzo, baez, Machado and Bryant would be strong defensively and of course offensively.

          Or this might sound crazy but put machado at 3rd and move Bryant to left. Frees up Schwarber if he is able to rebuild his value this season. Lineup of Almora, Bryant, Rizzo, machado, Contreras, Russell, baez, Heyward would be pretty damn fun to watch.

          Or yes Bryce would be fantastic as an option too. Regardless they’ll have the funds for either.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          What’s your point Justin?

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          7 years ago

          please tell me what in my statement leads you to believe i’m “banking” on the cubs to sign harper? i’d love for them to pursue him, but i certainly realize there are other suitors. the only thing i firmly believe is its better to throw money at a generational talent at 26, then a SP with an injury history whose already on the wrong side of 30…

          plus next years class is absolutely loaded. i’d rather use the vast resources on that class as opposed to this years class. the cubs don’t NEED to get harper to have a successful offseason next year.

          i love cubs haters who don’t take the time to read comments and they just assume things. it shows you’re basing your thought process on dislike for a team instead of looking at it rationally. you realize you’re just as bad as these cubs fans acting like harper is already coming to the northside of chicago

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          You broke down their financials and defended how great an add he’d be. You also never mentioned any other player in next offseasons surplus i.e. Machado,Donaldson. I love it when Cub fans act oblivious to what their other fans have been posting.

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          7 years ago

          @ collin my point still stands. i never once said “harper is coming to the cubs.” i was trying to show why its definitely something the cubs should pursue, and i included points to support that. also, why would i mention the other available players when he specifically mentioned he doesn’t want BRYCE HARPER? this was a harper specific post. did you miss that? nothing about me breaking down the financials states i think the cubs will SURELY sign harper. i used the financials to show how plausible the idea is.

          how am I acting oblivious? you’re the one who is be assumptive and is seemingly lacking in reading comprehension skills. if anyone is acting oblivious, its you

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          I apologize for making the assumption on the “banking on” reference. I guess I’m just tired of a lot of Cubs fans doing just that. They constantly use the Bryant friendship aspect and vast resources to guarantee it.
          Some Yankees fans have been doing the exact same thing when it comes to Machado.

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          7 years ago

          I just ignore them. They’re trolls, or at least take a troll mentality. Whoever tries to guareentee a player coming to their team when its over a year out is at best a biased homer, at worse a complete mouth breather. There’s too many variables, most of which we probably aren’t privy to that will dictatwle where a player signs. we can certainly speculate, but to say its set in stone is laughable. just don’t even engage them. there are still reasonable cubs fans. don’t let the loud minority cloud your judgement.

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    • firstbleed

      7 years ago

      ‘Spend all the money this year Mr. Epstein.’ You realized there is a ridiculous amount of talent on the FA market next year outside of Harper right? Kershaw will opt-out, Blackmon, Machado, Donaldson, Keuchel, Kimbrel…. just to name a few.

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  12. justin-turner overdrive

    7 years ago

    “We’re all saying to each other, ‘I can’t believe nothing has happened’ and we’re discussing reasons why,” Epstein tells Greenberg.”

    Said the man who actually could make things happen. smh

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  13. mike156

    7 years ago

    I think there’s a little bit of gaslighting in Epstein’s “I can’t believe nothing has happened.”
    Front offices are getting smarter. Whether they are getting smarter “together” or have all independently decided to get smarter one can speculate about, but a slower market resets prices lower–and opens up opportunities for teams to pounce if they want to.

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  14. dbec72

    7 years ago

    Very few signing because very few teams want the free agents. Some of the teams that want Darvish can’t afford much more than him. Yu is holding things up.

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  15. Frank kemble

    7 years ago

    Yeah I mean, like everyone else they don’t want to overpay years and dollars in this market. Montgomery stated earlier in the off-season he wants to start again. Butler is a former first round pick who’s had some arm issues, finally getting more work at this level and is only 26. Can’t see them just handing that money to Darvish unless his agent calls and says he wants to be a cub. Heywards contract has not lived up, they don’t wanna deal depth at the cost of Archer, Duffy, etc.. and there’s other options next year when more cash comes off the books. 8 of their top 10 prospects are pitchers and a handful ready by 2019. I would think a one yr deal or 2 yr deal for a guy like Tillman, Vargas, Garcia, Cashner is more likely at this point unless Darvish or someone else says hey I wanna be a cub. They’re wise not to destroy their farm on a trade or sign a Darvish…plus chatwoods ground ball work should play well at Wrigley and they’re committed to the bullpen depth. We might see a Cobb or Lynn but I wouldn’t count on a 100 million plus signing from the Cubs given 10 other factors. Butler and Montgomery are capable in a 5 role, maybe a year deal throw in for depth. Smarter to sign another reliever or two like a Watson, hernandze, maybe an outfielder like a Ben Revere..etc.. for depth. Cubs fans won’t hear of this but you can’t demand a Darvish bc they lose Arrietta. Chatwood is lackeys replacement. They’ll be fine.

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  16. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    Trading Baez for less than archer and colome to start the convo. A trade won’t happen. I can see them signing Cobb then trading Montgomery, Almora and one other for Colome and one other.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      God and I thought Giants fans were delusional…lol

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        Wasn’t even serious but if the rays want Baez they need to give put archer in any deal for him.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          If I’m reading your post right Baez is worth Archer…

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        • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

          7 years ago

          If the call starts with Baez they should get nothing less than archer. Read between the lines. Elite player plus for an elite pitcher very simple. I’m other words don’t trade for Archer.

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        • ChiSoxCity

          7 years ago

          Why is everyone so fascinated with Chris Archer?

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        • Clockradiospeaker

          7 years ago

          Its the swing and miss stuff, combined with his affordable contract through 2021. He was in the Cubs system and was traded with Robinson Chirinos for 2 years of Matt Garza…..oof.

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        • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

          7 years ago

          Hendry thought Garza was an ace. Traded 5 players for him including archer and Brandon guyer.
          As all cubs fans know. Hendry was literally the worst gm of all time.

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        • Clockradiospeaker

          7 years ago

          He was responsible for drafting Javier Baez. But that draft was so deep he could have thrown a dart at the draft board for his pick.

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        • TrueOutcomeFan

          7 years ago

          Because he’s been a top 10 pitcher in baseball for the last three seasons.

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  17. Frank kemble

    7 years ago

    Watch archers highlights..watch him pitch and how he pitches. He’d be one of the first guys id build a championship team with. The guy is electric..already has 1000 strikeouts in 4 seasons. Now that isn’t the biggest factor, as guys like maddux, martinze, halladay were great pitchers, but in the playoffs or world series you want competitive heat. Archer, stroman, Chapman etc. A guy capable of a 3 strikeout inning is rare anymore. Kid just needs a winning environment.

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