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Mariners, Mets Agree To Robinson Cano, Edwin Diaz Blockbuster

By Jeff Todd | December 3, 2018 at 12:37pm CDT

Dec. 3: The trade is official, tweets Passan. The two sides will make an announcement today, it seems.

Dec. 1, 8:49pm: Cano has indeed waived his no-trade clause, per Morosi. It’ll be Cano, Diaz and $20MM for Bruce, Swarzak, Kelenic, Dunn and Bautista, Heyman tweets. The trade will save the Mariners approximately $64MM, Johns notes on Twitter. It should become official “late Monday,” Sherman reports.

8:10pm: A deal is in place, pending physicals, Tenchy Rodriguez of ESPN Deportes Radio reports (Twitter link via Jon Morosi of MLB.com). The trade could be announced as early as Monday, Martino tweets.

3:38pm: The aforementioned “work” to be done on the deal, per Ken Rosenthal on Twitter, is tri-fold: The commissioner’s office must approve the amount of money exchanging hands in the deal, each player must pass his physical, and Robinson Cano must give official approval to waive his no-trade clause. Per Rosenthal, the trade should be announced “early next week.”

Nov. 30, 6:24pm: The Mariners are only expected to chip in something in the mid-$20MM range to cover Cano’s salary, per Passan (via Twitter). Seattle will still be absorbing the two significant contracts, of course, but it seems the New York org will be paying for about half of Cano’s contract (while also presumptively paying Diaz in arbitration).

Meanwhile, there’s still work to be done on the deal, which Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets will not be concluded this evening.

8:15am: The Mets and Mariners aren’t expected to formally announce anything today, Heyman tweets. That said, Newsday’s David Lennon suggests that the parameters of the deal are largely believed to be in place, so the lack of a Friday announcement doesn’t indicate that there’s any kind of snag in the deal.

Nov. 29, 11:56pm: Bautista would indeed be the fifth piece going to Seattle in the deal, as currently constructed, Sherman tweets.

11:30pm: McNeil will not be included in the trade if it is ultimately completed, per Sherman. Instead, he tweets that the Mets will send Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce, Swarzak and another reliever to the Mariners. Notably, Sherman reports that medical info has still yet to be reviewed, and Cano has yet to waive his no-trade clause (though there’s no expectation that he’ll veto a trade that would send him back to New York City).

10:15pm: It seems that the two sides haven’t quite finalized the group of players who’d head to Seattle in the deal. Martino tweets that the Mets are still “hesitant” to include McNeil and are currently proposing right-hander Gerson Bautista in addition to Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce and Swarzak.

Obviously, that’d be a fairly substantial change to the deal’s perception; Bautista is a flamethrowing young righty with upside, but he’s yet to find success in the Majors or even the upper minors. McNeil, meanwhile, looked like a potential big league regular in his rookie season with the Mets this past season.

Puma had previously tweeted that McNeil wasn’t in the trade as of yesterday, though there’s “some thought that may have changed today,” so it seems as if the organization could be on the fence about whether to ultimately include the promising 26-year-old.

8:40pm: The trade is “expected to be completed by Friday,” tweets Passan. He further clarifies that it’s not yet clear how much money the Mariners would send to the Mets to help offset Cano’s remaining contract. Sending Bruce and Swarzak to Seattle would effectively leave the Mets on the hook for $86MM of Cano’s salary, and it seems fair to expect that Seattle would add some additional cash to help further offset the financial commitment to Cano.

Mike Puma of the New York Post tweets that things have advanced to the point where the Mets have begun to formally alert players to the fact that they’re in a deal that is on the verge of completion (albeit not yet 100 percent complete).

8:08pm: The offer on the table, at present, would see McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce and Swarzak all head to Seattle in exchange for Cano and Diaz, tweets Martino. He cautions that the two sides have not yet reviewed medical information on the players involved, which always has the potential to throw a wrench into trade negotiations. Heyman tweets that a combination of those names is on the table.

7:11pm: A trade involving Diaz and Cano is close to being agreed upon, tweets Rosenthal.

6:33pm: Sherman tweets that the talks between the two sides are indeed intensifying, adding that the Mariners are now focused on the Mets rather than any other potential trade partners. Both Bruce and Swarzak could be included as a means of helping to offset Cano’s salary, and there are plenty of details to be sorted out, including medical reports and Cano’s no-trade clause.

5:40pm: Talks between the Mariners and Mets are reaching a “critical stage,” tweets Rosenthal. He notes that New York’s offer to Seattle includes some combination (but not all) of Kelenic, Dunn, McNeil, Bruce and Swarzak. That latter pair of names would seemingly be more about offsetting salary than anything else, while the first three are all well-regarded young players who’d provide the Mariners organization with a substantial amount of long-term value.

Meanwhile, MLB.com’s Greg Johns tweets that talks are indeed accelerating. A deal seems quite likely, per Johns, though the specific names involved are still being sorted out.

5:15pm: The Mariners are talking to multiple clubs about Cano, Diaz and shortstop Jean Segura, Rosenthal tweets. Those negotiations include myriad scenarios, including combinations of those three players as well as standalone deals for each. Similarly, Sherman adds that the Mets are operating with the belief that they’re one of many clubs in talks with the Mariners as they explore trades for combinations of those three as well as standalone swaps.

1:24pm: The teams have discussed scenarios involving both Cano and Diaz individually, as well as package arrangements, per Martino (via Twitter).

10:13am: “Significant momentum” has built toward a deal that would send high-dollar veteran second baseman Robinson Cano and top-shelf young closer Edwin Diaz from the Mariners to the Mets, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter links). Cano has reportedly not yet been asked to waive his no-trade rights, though Passan adds that is not expected to represent a significant hurdle.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post characterizes things somewhat differently in his own series of tweets. His sources indicate that the “Mets do not currently feel like they are close to a deal,” though he also makes clear that the interest is serious. Notably, Sherman suggests that the New York organization still doesn’t have a firm sense of whether the M’s are committed to packaging Cano and Diaz at all. Indeed, indications are that the Seattle org is still engaged with other clubs.

Obviously, the full parameters of this potential swap have yet to be revealed in full. And it’s hardly a done deal. But some chatter about other pieces has emerged as well. Recent first-round draft picks Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn are “under discussion” along with other pre-MLB assets, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). Youngster David Peterson is also in the conversation, Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets. It’s important to emphasize that there is no specific indication that any or all of these young players is involved in a specific, fully built out scenario that the two organizations are deciding upon. Rather, per Heyman, the sides are tossing around different deal structures, with the Mariners demanding prospect value if they’re to part with Diaz.

Particulars aside, it’s rather stunning to see that the concept — a deal packaging Cano’s $120MM in remaining salary with Diaz — has advanced to this stage. There are certainly shades of the 2015 Melvin Upton/Craig Kimbrel swap here, so there is a clear model to follow, but this new proposal involves somewhat more extreme contract rights. (Upton was owed nearly $75MM less at the time of that swap than Cano is now, for instance.)

Cano is already 36 years of age, and sat out half the 2018 campaign due to a suspension for use of a masking agent, so the five years left on his deal are hardly an appealing proposition. But he’s also still a high-quality major-leaguer. Diaz, meanwhile, is unquestionably the top relief asset that could be had on this winter’s market. Though the aforementioned Kimbrel is an immensely accomplished closer who’s presently available in free agency, Diaz handily outperformed him last year. More importantly, he has the clear edge in youth and cost.

Unquestionably, quite a bit more will be involved in any actual trade than the two players rumored to this point. The Mariners will in all likelihood hold on to some of Cano’s contract and/or absorb a Mets contract in return. And the New York club will surely send back some talent. Those details will determine the ultimate merits of the swap for each club.

We’ll have to wait to learn the details, if anything is actually concluded. But it seems clear even from these reports of intense interest that the Mets are not only chasing the elite young closer, but see an opportunity to capture a some value from Cano, whose contract new GM Brodie Van Wagenen negotiated in his prior life as an agent. The long-time star is clearly not in his prime, but he still hit quite a bit when he wasn’t on the restricted list last year. Presumably, he’d step in at his accustomed second base, a position he can still handle (albeit not at his once-elite levels).

Adding Cano at second would dislodge Jeff McNeil, who emerged last year with an outstanding debut showing. The Mets would still have other options to shift around their infield pieces. It could also be that McNeil would move in the trade. He has appeared in the conversation between the organizations, MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo tweets. McNeil already 26 years of age and only just debuted in the majors in 2018, but was one of the most pleasant surprises league-wide in the just-completed campaign. He not only showed off his typically excellent plate discipline, but turned in a notable power surge (as against his prior minor-league track record) and then slashed a hefty .329/.381/.471 in 248 big league plate appearances.

The full potential ramifications, clearly, would depend upon as-yet-unknown specifics. That’s due in no small part to the still-unknown slate of prospects that could be involved and, even more importantly from a MLB roster perspective, the contracts that could head the other way. We’ve heard Jay Bruce’s name thrown around quite a bit as a potential big contract to go to Seattle. Perhaps Juan Lagares would hold more appeal to the M’s, as a defensive stalwart who seems to fit the mold of player that Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto often targets, though he’s not owed as much. Todd Frazier, Jason Vargas, and Anthony Swarzak are among the other costly veteran pieces who could in theory be utilized to facilitate a swap.

For now, then, it doesn’t seem we know all that much more about the realistic possibilities than we have for the past week or so, as Cano/Diaz rumors have permeated the hot stove landscape. Even the level of seriousness of the Mets has been suggested, with SNY.tv’s Andy Martino calling the club an “aggressive” pursuer. Previously, though, it has hardly been evident that there was a realistic path to a trade that would lead to a match. The importance of these most recent developments is that, as Passan puts it, “there is an increasing expectation a trade will get finished.”

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  1. c1234

    2 years ago

    They will regret trading deal if they do.

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    • Royalsfan12

      2 years ago

      Are you talking about New York or Seattle?

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      • c1234

        2 years ago

        I meant “Diaz” I dead of “deal”

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        • mrnatewalter

          2 years ago

          Dude, slow down. Check what you wrote and then hit “post”. I get errors, but it’s difficult to read what someone says when they are more quick to post than they are to proofread.

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        • ldfanatic

          2 years ago

          Thanks, mom.

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        • Geez

          2 years ago

          By adding the comma does that make you the Mom in this comment?

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        • Sheep8

          2 years ago

          Says the man who said “more quick”

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        • LH

          2 years ago

          Nobody needs this

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Haha touché

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          This is like the Mariners-Padres trade that Ken Rosenthal broke last week.

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        • srechter

          2 years ago

          I really hope geez, and everyone who upvoted him, knows that the comma was entirely accurate.

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        • Geez

          2 years ago

          It is debateable which is why I posed my comment as a question. Im sure if you google it you can find a wealth of stimulating conversation on the topic. Using a comma can also be used as a salutation… such as “Thank you for your consisderation, *your name here*”

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        • WazBazbo

          2 years ago

          That’s silly. I’m an old man and I’ve NEVER met anybody named “your name here.”

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        • lammyj34

          2 years ago

          Lol

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        • callingoutdummies247

          2 years ago

          He wanted to be first, I’m surprised he didn’t follow it up with a “first comment!!” Post

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        • callingoutdummies247

          2 years ago

          Geez…. classic!!!

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        • TedYazJimEd

          2 years ago

          In English please

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        • steelerbravenation

          2 years ago

          Lol

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        • Phillies Phan

          2 years ago

          LH – the trade or the grammar/spell check? “This” is an unclear pronoun reference and it hard for me to discern which “this” refers to.

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        • camdenyards46

          2 years ago

          They won’t regret it after he regresses.

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        • Sheep8

          2 years ago

          I’ve seen a ton pictures of jerseys with a person called “your name”, but never “your name here”.

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        • scrapthenickname

          2 years ago

          Finally, an intelligent baseball fan!

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        • xabial

          2 years ago

          crazy thing is this might break the record for most comments in a story in history of mlbtr

          738 is my unofficial record, this story has 6xx. With weekend coming, any updates to this if/when it’s official would mean a historic day for mlbtr in addition to Mets/Mariners :)

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        • xabial

          2 years ago

          Whoops, was 732* posts. Keep track of it cuz believe more posts is better for mlbtr and love talking baseball with all you :)

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        • jmchale40

          2 years ago

          Honestly…that’s weird

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        • xabial

          2 years ago

          Go for 1000. Comment sections’ going extinct

          I love seeing this one thriving…

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        • Red_Line_9

          2 years ago

          After scanning through most comment sections…yeah theres a reason it’s going extinct. Place used to have moderators. Now its inches and inches of trolling and trash talk

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        • jmchale40

          2 years ago

          It’s a few annoying people that post on everything so their voice is simply heard.

          Xabial is honestly the worst. He makes some great points, but he needs to cut back on the nonsense. His comments are batting below the Mendoza line, and terrible obp.

          He is the Juan Pierre of comments. Dude gets tons of abs, lots of hits, no he’s.

          It ruins the comments section for the hose who make a well thought out once in a blue moon post.

          I mean, the guy keeps tabs on number of comments? Sad really…no one to talk to in real life I guess

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        • jrwhite21

          2 years ago

          So close bud

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        • xabial

          2 years ago

          @jmchale40

          LoL. I won’t take the bait.

          Cmon man. This thread is about to be most commented of all time, no need for that. If you’re new here, these are the type of posts that make the comments sections go poof and what we like to call a “troll”

          On a scale of 0 to 1 on personal scale, that post was “below Mendoza line” and “low obp.” You the “Yuniesky Betancourt” of comments.

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        • luclusciano

          2 years ago

          @Geez – thanks for the laugh.

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        • xabial

          2 years ago

          Update: 808 posts. Wow! Shattered previous record. Congrats, Tim. love MLBTR, best MLB news source on the internet, you’ve an amazing staff…

          What makes it more impressive: was accomplished without Disqus

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          2 years ago

          Ok X….you know these writers. Talk them into some sort of award for being the 1000th post. Doesn’t have to be anything physical. Maybe just post their screen name somewhere on this site for a week.

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          2 years ago

          I see some of my posts get deleted for content no doubt, so……seeing you monitor this stuff, how about it?
          This is historic in ways.

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        • PickleRiccck

          2 years ago

          Ohhh laawwwddd 1034 comments. And have you read them all? Somebody got get tell me what your job is so I can be paid to read MLBTR.

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      • the kutch

        2 years ago

        Mutts, for sure…

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        • Senioreditor

          2 years ago

          1181……….and counting

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    • BrandonBrave91

      2 years ago

      Ms should trade cano and Diaz to braves. Ms get Dansby Swanson, Darren o’day, Adam Duvall, and Julio Teheran for Cano and Diaz and Seattle pays 15% of cano’s contract over next 5 years. Braves move albies to ss and get a stud reliever to strengthen bullpen. Braves add another big bat to middle of lineup. Imagine
      Lineup of
      CF Inciarte
      RF Acuna
      1b Freeman
      3B Donaldson
      2B cano
      C Flowers/McCann
      LF Riley or whoever they chose
      SS albies
      P.
      That’s alot of homerun power there.

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      • mrnatewalter

        2 years ago

        I’ll tell you what. You send me a $1,000 and in return, I’ll send you an envelope with all the lint, loose pennies, and dog hair I find under my couch cushions.

        That seems fair, right?

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        • bighiggy

          2 years ago

          Mrnatewalter, you my friend made me laugh so hard I spit my gum out. Thanks

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          Theres a way to disagree with someone without being condensending. So what if I made a bad trade proposal? Are you a vulture waiting to pick someone limb from limb? Just say, hey man, that’s a bad idea because x,y,z. No need to try to insult me or my intelligence but such a pompous remark. And no, I’m not offended, just disappointed for you.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          By* not but. Autocorrect

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        • mokes65

          2 years ago

          Honestly, I think the Braves would be giving too much.. Braves would owe an aging Cano $102 million. I wouldnt take Cano and Diaz for a low level prospect.

          Diaz’s incredible value is offset by Cano’s albatross of a contract.

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        • larry2bernandez

          2 years ago

          It would be more like $80 million since Seattle would be eating O’Day and Teheran’s contracts.

          Cano is projected for about 3 WAR next season, which is worth about $30 million at current FA prices.

          A reasonable expectation from Cano might be 3 WAR next season, then 2 WAR, then 1 WAR, and maybe 0 WAR for the final two years. So the Braves would end up getting roughly $60 million in performance, while paying $80 million. But they also get Edwin Diaz for cheap. As things stand, Diaz is a substantial upgrade from Swanson.

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        • greatd

          2 years ago

          Cespedes is the only real big contract they have right now so
          why not take on some payroll to make the roster better

          Think they still need a lot to catch the Nationals / Braves / Phillies

          Considering the other teams in the division are buyers as well

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        • lammyj34

          2 years ago

          Lol

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        • showman

          2 years ago

          There is no such way

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        • Gland1

          2 years ago

          You sound offended.

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        • Priggs89

          2 years ago

          Cano’s contract is not an albatross. It’s not good by any means, but it’s certainly not as bad as some people are trying to make it seem. He’s still a solid player at the very least.

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        • bencole

          2 years ago

          It’s a terrible contract.

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        • TedYazJimEd

          2 years ago

          Fewer words my friend..and less coffee

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        • CardsNation5

          2 years ago

          Don’t forget that he played in a pitchers park. His numbers will go up in the NL East.

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        • rightwingrick

          2 years ago

          It’s only a bad contract if he doesn’t perform, and over the last five years, including hitting over .300 last year, he has performed well.

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        • Benjamin560

          2 years ago

          The Mets could potentially have talked down the “Diaz” asking price by potentially assuming Cano’s contract.

          Which would only make sense if you try and flip Diaz at the TradecDeadline for a better haul. Smart move if it actually happens.

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        • ckln88

          2 years ago

          Not when he’s still out performing it.

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        • nikki29a

          2 years ago

          lmfao but yeah *thanks for the offer but i will have to pass* i’ll keep my 1000m and you keep your lint

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        • larry48

          2 years ago

          I can’t see why Seattle would take Bruce for any reason.

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        • Red_Line_9

          2 years ago

          What are you new? You got a funny response….mlbtr comment section is a sewer with keyboard warrior rats typically. If you want decent conversation…find a good FB group that actually moderated.

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        • sovtechno

          2 years ago

          Perhaps, but it is much easier to get people to side with you when you are hilarious.

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        • 94yankees

          2 years ago

          That was good

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        • 94yankees

          2 years ago

          But his way is much funnier

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      • NL_East_Rivalry

        2 years ago

        No team wants another team’s scraps.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          Swanson, Duvall and teheran are not scraps. O’day is more of an unknown at this point but by no means are these guys scraps.

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        • mrnatewalter

          2 years ago

          Duvall won’t even be tendered a contract by the Braves tomorrow. That’s the definition of “scraps”

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        • Cuso

          2 years ago

          Swanson, Duvall and Teheran are pretty much scraps. Your allegiance may skew your vision a little bit.

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        • lammyj34

          2 years ago

          Agreed

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        • bencole

          2 years ago

          Duvall is a non-tender candidate and Teheran is hot garbage. I wouldn’t take Teheran for free at his salary. Even half of his salary.

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        • mlb1225

          2 years ago

          Duvall is scraps. He would be a throw in piece in any trade.

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        • Matt M

          2 years ago

          You wouldn’t take him for free at his salary? Just the salary would make him not free. You wouldn’t give up assets for him at his salary.

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        • bencole

          2 years ago

          No I wouldn’t let him on my roster at his salary. Teheran is not very good.

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      • mjmorales117

        2 years ago

        Lol Another ridiculous trade proposal from a brave homer

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          I’m not a braves homer. Just a fan.

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        • gmenfan

          2 years ago

          Feels like a trade that a Yankees fan would propose. Minus Ellsbury, of course.

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      • PhilliesFan012

        2 years ago

        Why would the mariners accept the braves replacements for the top closer in all of baseball and Cano? Despite canos contract that package would the the worst return I’ve ever seen in my life.

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        • thetruth

          2 years ago

          Treinen says hi but agreed with the rest.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          The ms would get a great defensive short stop in dansby. Also Duvall is not some throw in. He plays excellent defense and could replace alot of the power lost from trading cano. Teheran is a proven #3/4 starter and o’day isnt exactly a toss in either. It’s not as bad a trade proposal as yall are making it out to be. The whole point in adding in Diaz is for salary relief on cano’s contract.

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        • Owen National

          2 years ago

          The Treinen trade was not terrible for the Nats. They received a bullpen ace in Sean Doolittle.

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        • lammyj34

          2 years ago

          The reason the M’s have Diaz in the deal is because they want to get something back for him and having Cano in the deal is to get rid of his contract. Diaz is the only value that would allow Cano to be traded in the process because Cano has so much money. It’s not a deal for Cano, the Mets are getting Diaz mainly which is why they have so many more prospects in the deal than vets. Cano wasn’t going to get top prospects in return because he doesn’t play as well as he used to. If the Brave wanted Diaz and Cano it would be. Swanson, Inciarte, Probably either Soroka or Wright and another top prospect like Austin Riley. They might even need to throw in another vet to counter act the contract that comes with Robby. But yes Swanson, Duvall, Teheran, and O’Day would be a bad deal and there really isn’t an argument that the Mariners would do that. The mariners would do that if it included 3 top prospects

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        • CincyMariner

          2 years ago

          Cano just put up 3 WAR in 1/2 a season. That means he was just a 6 WAR player. I would tell them I won’t do the deal unless its McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bautista, and Bruce. Even then I think its a crappy trade. WAR is valued at $9M per win. That means Cano was producing at a level that without his injury or suspension would’ve generated $54M in value and if you minus the $24M he makes, that’s a $30M excess of value. That’s how his value should be determined. Then you subtract 1/2 a win for each year.

          So let’s say Cano is a 5 WAR player next year, that makes him 5, 4.5, 4. 3.5, 3 for the remaining 5 years. Added together he projects to be worth 20 WAR over 5 years which currently values at $180M minus his $120M owed to him and you have $60M in excess value. If you are boarish on Cano, you might say $40M in excess value, that should still get Kelenic straight up, with no salary dump.

          The fact that Seattle is only getting a busted relief prospect and a late top 100 prospect, while also taking on $35M in salary and giving away Diaz makes this a horrible deal. If they don’t get McNeil back Dipoto just got Jedi mindtricked into giving away 8 WAR of talent for lottery tickets and scraps that will not lower payroll this year.

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        • Phil253

          2 years ago

          You sir, make the most sense out of anyone here. And if there’s no McNeil in this deal then the m’s shouldn’t do it.

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        • luclusciano

          2 years ago

          I was thinking the Mets got the better of this deal, you have literally convinced me with facts.

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      • elmore80

        2 years ago

        I could go along with that. Add Vizciano and M’s pay 20%. I think we need a closer more than a Starter and Cano’s LH bat would be nice behind Donaldson.

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      • larry2bernandez

        2 years ago

        In this hypothetical proposal, the Mariners get:
        Dansby Swanson (4 years)
        Julio Teheran ($12M for 1 year or $23M for 2 years)
        Darren O’Day (1 year for $9M)
        Adam Duvall (3 years)

        Braves get:
        Robinson Cano (5 years for $120M)
        Edwin Diaz (4 years)
        $18M from the Mariners

        So the Mariners get to offload Cano’s contract for about $40M, and they get Swanson for the same amount of time they could keep Diaz.

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      • steelerbravenation

        2 years ago

        No thanx want no part of that
        Why not just sign David Robertson or Zach Britton
        When are my fellow Brave fans going to realize Dansby is going nowhere. Local kid will be the face of the franchise soon enough. He has improved every season in one way or another we gotta be a little more patient. He will have a breakout year this year watch.

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      • xthetouristx

        2 years ago

        Cano won’t go if Diaz goes to the Braves. Diaz would get us a couple of the top 10 Braves prospects on his own and if the Mariners were really interested in dumping some of Cano’s salary, they could still do a deal with the Mets for Bruce, Vargas, and Swarzak (while paying like $10-14m of Cano’s contract in 2021-2023).

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      • BamaBraves

        2 years ago

        I posted this on another comment but here’s a good Braves proposal.

        Braves and Yankees make the most sense. Braves trade for Cano, Diaz, and Segura. All 120M of Canos contract goes away to Yankees. This is how.

        ATL keeps Diaz gets 2. top 20 prospects from Yanks for their facilitation

        Seattle gets Julio (stop-gap starter) and 3. 20-50 prospects from ATL

        Yankees get Cano and Segura plus 12M/Year over 4 years from ATL

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        • knickscavsfan

          2 years ago

          Why would the Yankees take on all of Cano’s salary half way thru, and when he’s several years older, than the same scenario they refused when he became a free agent and they let him walk? No….just…..no.

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        • BamaBraves

          2 years ago

          Hence the Braves paying half

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        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          2 years ago

          LOL why would the Yankees send Atlanta TWO TOP 20 prospects for “facilitating” them taking on all of a well-past-his-prime and coming off a steroid suspension Robinson Cano?

          The Yankees would GET prospects from Atlanta for taking Cano off Seattle’s hands to avoid forcing the Braves to eat that contract as a condition of getting Diaz, and Atlanta would also help pay down Cano’s contract. Your proposal is laughable, teams don’t give up good prospects for taking a salary dump.

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        • stansfield123

          2 years ago

          BamaBraves, that seems like a balanced trade, but the Yanks have ONE hole in the middle infield, not two. And even that one hole is only there for half a year, Didi’s coming back in the summer.

          Also, I doubt Seattle want Teheran. They want prospects.

          So let’s drop Segura and Teheran: Atlanta trade for Diaz and Cano, Cano comes to the Yankees. The three teams split the bill on Cano evenly (everyone eats $40M). Seattle get a pitching prospect from each of the two teams: Loaisiga from the Yanks and Gohara from the Braves.

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      • SoCalBrave

        2 years ago

        Brandon, you would need to add Soroka to that deal and if you want the Ms to pick up 15%, another prospect would be needed.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          Thank you. And yes I’ll agree my proposed return package to Ms was a bit light. I would absolutely include soroka or even touki. However, I feel that most on here are overreacting to my initial post and are undervaluing Swanson, Teheran and Duvall. It’s not like I suggested we gave them our 4 worst players. Anyway. Thanks for your kind and insightful comment. I was only trying to open a discussion. Way to many narrow minded people on here

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        • bencole

          2 years ago

          Duvall literally will get non-tendered tomorrow. He adds literally zero value to the trade. And Teheran isn’t good. Dansby is good on D and a decent player who’s unlikely to be a star at this point. I just think the reason you’ll get rid of these guys is because outside of Dansby they are spare parts.

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        • stansfield123

          2 years ago

          Soroka is a 60/80 pitching prospect. According to fangraphs, that’s worth $60M.

          So no, he has no business being in a package for Cano+ Diaz.

          If Soroka was in play, then the Braves could realistically just flip him for Diaz, straight up, without taking on a single cent. But, of course, they have no reason to trade their best pitching prospect….they have plenty of other valuable pieces, deeper down the depth chart.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          2 years ago

          Well Duvall literally did NOT get non tendered… so theres that.

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      • SDHotDawg

        2 years ago

        I’m curious … are Mets fans more excited about getting Diaz, or the PED using cheater Cano?

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    • Rae

      2 years ago

      F___K Yeah, the Mets will regret this deal. Kelenic is one of their top prospects, and McNeil has been a consistenly good hitter just like he was all throughout his minor league career. He always was an on base machine when he was healthy, and always had a a good batting average, and a really good OBP too. . Dunn found himself in 2018, and was a really good Double AA starting pitcher. If I’m Fred Wilpon I would immediately fire Brodie I’m a Stupid Ass Van Numbnutz immediately if not sooner.

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    • xabial

      2 years ago

      Closer’s the most volatile position in sports. However…

      Diaz might be a keeper:

      “Pretty incredible stat: the Mariners went 66-0 this year when Edwin Diaz entered with a lead, including 61-0 in his save chances. Diaz blew four saves, but the Mariners came back to win each one.” mobile.twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1068567391…

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  2. Todda1

    2 years ago

    Am I the only one that thinks Cano is still a really good player?

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    • dimitrios in la

      2 years ago

      No but his contract with age and his baggage is IMO undesirable.

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      • Brixton

        2 years ago

        theres not really that much baggage. Dude got suspended once. Oh well, who cares. No one is complaining about Nelson Cruz’s baggage.

        Hes being treated like a liability due to his contract, so a season of suspension that you don’t have to pay him would be a good thing anyways so.

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        • Jimcarlo Slaton

          2 years ago

          If he was using PEDs at age 35 with hundreds of millions secured, and on track for the Hall Of Fame, what does that say for the likelihood he was using prior to establishing himself and joining the Mariners? He comes with a huge amount of baggage.

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        • matteste187

          2 years ago

          How did cano look at 3B?

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        • Vizionaire

          2 years ago

          tell that to bonds who was never suspended for ped’s and didn’t even test positive while steroids were against mlb rules.

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        • sportingdissent

          2 years ago

          Point of clarification – he did not test positive for PEDs. He was flagged for having a diarrhetic in his system. It’s not quite the same thing, even though it comes with the same suspension. For all we know, Cano could have a heroin addiction he was trying to mask.

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        • basilisk4

          2 years ago

          I think it was a diuretic, though it would be funny if he was purposely trying to give himself diarrhea.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          JimCarlo- Complete speculation, dismissed!!

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        • Freddy H

          2 years ago

          I agree. I find it fishy that even tho around 75% of pro athletes make the pros because of juicing in highschool/college.. very few get caught in the pros.

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        • giveemthecurve

          2 years ago

          I think he was rated at average or just below average in his short time at third. Small sample size though obviously.

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        • Priggs89

          2 years ago

          No, a season of suspension that you don’t have to pay him wouldn’t be a good thing – unless it’s in the last year or two.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          See the thing that most people don’t understand is Cano was caught using a banned substance, but not a PED. It is a drug that is often used as a masking agent but it is also used to treat a variety of illnesses. Cano, yes, should have known better. But grouping in all guys who used banned substances with PED users is a dangerous game. Chris Davis had his monster year using ADHD medications banned by MLB without proper consent. He did have a prescription, but never got it cleared that particular season with MLB.

          There’s a lot of nuances in these things. Be careful and do your research before making accusations. I’m no Cano fan, but I do believe that everyone deserves due diligence before random accusations are made. I don’t think I’d really count this particular suspension as baggage, or suspect a decline in performance because he’s “not using PEDs anymore”.

          Just my 2 cents from reading up on his suspension more when these trade talks started!

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        • billneftleberg

          2 years ago

          Dumbo, he started using because he was adding weight as he aged. That’s what diuretics are used for, they aren’t classified as a performance enhancing drug. They are used sometimes as a masking agent but in cano’s case you can see he’s added weight. it happens to most people as they get older.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          In all fairness Bill, I don’t blame their ignorance on the individuals. MLB does an absolutely wonderful job with catching these guys and suspending them. But they do an absolutely awful job of discussing the conditions in which the substance was used. Cano actually had to do this himself.

          I think MLB should make a more concerned effort to educate the fan base on what these guys are using, when and why so that people aren’t left in the dark without doing extensive research. To be honest, I had to research the situation, the allegations, the conclusion and the drug itself before recognizing why Cano was clearly using this substance. But my assumption up until that point was the same as some of these others, he was masking PED usage. That assumption was completely wrong.

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        • Matt M

          2 years ago

          No. Just no.

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        • Jimcarlo Slaton

          2 years ago

          Speculation or not, as an older player coming off a drug suspension, he still comes with a lot of uncertainty. Not questioning the legitimacy of his career prior to 2018 in light of the suspension is foolish.
          Big, big risk when you factor age and the suspension.

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        • Jimcarlo Slaton

          2 years ago

          BS, there’s no evidence he was using to lose weight. There are healthier, legal alternatives…What nonsense.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          Its still the right move to have suspended Cano. Cano accepted it because he knows that he should have checked. He could have appealed, but as he wasn’t denying anything, there was no sense in it.

          Unfortunately, this will taint his career because everyone will have their opinion on it, but he definitely gained a lot of weight and could have other underlying medical conditions as well.

          Listen, I’m a Sox fan and I’d love to be the one to go, “Haha Cano was dirty. Another Yankee that just couldn’t do it the right way.” I live for the valid moments to mock the Yankees. But I think most of MLB is quite confident Cano is clean as a whistle from the PED side of things and always has been. He’s been tested by the league in the past and has never come up for any drug or masking agent. This looks like a mistake.

          The age for sure is a huge factor though. He’s 36 already. In this world, he’s oldddd….

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        • bush

          2 years ago

          Cano was using a masking agent because he was taking PED’s. That’s literally the Only reason to take what he was taking. So yes it makes sense to group him in with PED guys because clearly he is one.

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        • YourDaddy

          2 years ago

          You don’t use things that make you pee to lose weight. You use things that increase your metabolism. Cano was cheating and using a diuretic to mask his use of PED. That is why he so readily accepted his 80 game ban.
          But if you really believe he was using pee inducing drugs to lose weight, I have oceanfront land to sell you in Colorado.

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      • dobsonel

        2 years ago

        I would assume the Mets would get the Mariners to pay down the salary a lot. As for the Baggage, if he gets hurt, insurance may kick in and if he gets popped for more roids then I believe he forfeits the money for time missed

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        • cardsfan19

          2 years ago

          I doubt it. I think the mariners are looking to dump the salary. I would guess the Mets are going to pick up all of that contract or very close to all of it.

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          if they are looking to just dumb salary, including Diaz in the deal isn’t too bright

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        • Senioreditor

          2 years ago

          Who’s taking that salary without Diaz??? No one!

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        • newyorkyankee7

          2 years ago

          The whole idea of including Diaz in the deal means the acquiring team pays most of Cano’s contract.

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          The Mets are way too cheap to take on all of it. Even with Diaz.

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          No one is taking that salary even with Diaz. Cano would be worth about $8 – $10 mil on the open market. If the Mets took this entire contract just to get Diaz that would be the equivalent of paying Diaz $14 mil per year. They might as well just sign Britton and skip this deal entirely if they want to spend that much on a closer.

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        • RobBoSoxNMariners

          2 years ago

          Woah.. 8 to 10 mil on the open market? That is pretty low for a guy that hits for high average, hits 20 hr/yr and is more than an adequate defender. Come on.

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          Not when you factor in 36 years old with a recent steroid suspension. If he was a FA this year, he’d be lucky to get 3/30m.

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        • brockbartels

          2 years ago

          You’re a moron

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          Who’s a moron?

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          8-10 mil? That’s what Dozier is going to get if not more. Cano is a $15-20 mil AAV player. His contract isn’t that bad if he’s healthy. He’s just not a useful piece for Dipoto right now and hamstrings their budget. That doesn’t mean taking on that salary will hamstring another team if they have a need at 2B.

          The M’s are looking for the right fit here. Giving away Diaz AND absorbing salary would go completely against what they are trying to do. They may eat 10% of the deal. I doubt they go beyond that.

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          Well time will tell, but the rumor is they already have it paid down to almost 15 mil with the contract swap alone let alone the dollars coming back. If you’d ever give a 36 year old a 5 year 75 to 100 mil contract then you are insane. By the way that is exactly what you just said he’s worth.

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        • dobsonel

          2 years ago

          Looks like the ended up eating almost 50% with the $20 mil cash + 2 bad contracts. Still a great win for the Mariners.

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        • fc4391

          2 years ago

          If you work the numbers with Bruce and swarzak salaries gone and 20 mill from Mariners Mets get Cano and Diaz for 65million. Those are pre arb for Diaz. A good deal for both teams.

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      • mattynokes

        2 years ago

        Whether right or wrong, people care about PEDs for all of about 10 seconds after the suspension is up and welcome the player back with open arms. Just ask Bartolo Colon.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          Its about what you did, how you did it, why you did it and what you did when you were accused. There’s a reason some guys get attention and others don’t. Those who own up to PED usage or explain and apologize are in one category. Those who don’t own up and say they don’t owe any explanation are in another.

          And then there are guys like Cano and Davis and others who have gotten in trouble with the league for using a banned substance for medicinal reasons. The substance Cano used is called furosemide or better known as Lasix which is a diuretic. Yes it can be used to block PED usage, but in Cano’s case, he was prescribed it by a doctor in the D.R. for legitimate health reasons.

          Cano should have had his personal manager or agent check the banned substance list for anything he’s taking and I’m sure he will do that moving forward. He owned up, took responsibility, explained what and why and the Mariners and players forgave him. Most of us fans never got the whole scoop. I’m pretty confident Cano is not a PED user and I think in fact its unfair that people are categorizing him that way.

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    • khopper10

      2 years ago

      Nope. This may cause me to question my Mariners fanhood depending on the final shape of the deal.

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      • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

        2 years ago

        Why? The M’s get back Jay Bruce and the remaining contract and past glory of David Wright. What’s not to like?

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Sarcasm, ah! You mean 0.6 WAR’s Jay Bruce? No thanks

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      • ayrbhoy

        2 years ago

        Khopper10- I’m feeling the exact same way, in fact if they do this I can’t help but think it’s another bad decision in a fantastically long list of them! Our organization is successful at one thing- knowing how to screw sh*t up and ultimately lose baseball games.

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        • khopper10

          2 years ago

          Go look at recent returns for elite relievers: Torres for Chapman, Sheffield and Frazier for Miller, Mejia for Hand… then increase that return given Diaz’s dominance and years of control. If they just trade Diaz for Cano salary relief I don’t even know what to think.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          I’m 100% on board with you Khopper… I’m not an M’s fan, but this is a dumb deal. They are treating the Cano contract the way teams treat bad contracts and I really stand by I don’t think Cano will be that much worse then 5/$120 if he’s healthy. So unless Dipoto knows something we don’t, I’m not quite sure why the heck they would just give away Diaz for salary relief. That being said, I don’t think there will be any takers for Cano’s contract without packaging some talent along with him. Diaz though? I was thinking more like a 2nd tier prospect or 2 and Cano for pretzels if you’re determined to salary dump him, and then flip Diaz on his own for a top prospect & some second tier prospects to take their place. The returns for relievers has been way too high to just give Diaz away considering his results and years of control.

          I expect Dipoto to get creative though as he always does. I see this turning into a 3-team deal if it happens. There’s pieces missing.

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        • bencole

          2 years ago

          Kelenic looks pretty good, so there’s that.

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        • thefenwayfaithful

          2 years ago

          Sounds like a done deal, but wow… I love this deal for the Mets. I think this also effectively takes Syndergaard off the market, because this shows a clear intention to compete for the Mets. It’s hard to do that if you trade away your second best starter.

          I just hope that Wilpon (in his traditional fashion) doesn’t metaphorically wash his hands and call it an off-season. They should really go for it at this point.

          I can’t believe the M’s aren’t getting more for Diaz. A Miller rental and a Chapman rental essentially restocked a good chunk of the Yankees farm system. Diaz has higher potential then either and team control to boast as well. Huge mistake in my eyes by Dipoto. This will be the deal that seals his fate in Seattle.

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      • shaner41

        2 years ago

        I agree!!! I like Cano and Diaz in Seattle, and if they go, I’m not going to be overly excited about the 2019 season in Seattle. I’m a Mariners’ fan who’s not excited about Cano and Diaz leaving. Sigh…

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Shaner- Ms fan here also. It’s not just 2019 and this trade signals a full tear down, not a slight adjustment or retool so there’s likely to be losing seasons in Seattle w Jerry’s kids for at least 2-3 seasons. Their #3 prospect Kelenic and 4 Dunn would be the big pieces in the deal but Kelenic is one yr removed from High School and Dunn is in AA. Don’t know much about Gertson Bautista but with nearly every single young player it takes a couple seasons to find success in MLB. I won’t be driving up to watch the Ms lose anytime soon.

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    • Frank Friedlander

      2 years ago

      Not necessarily. But he’s 36 with 5 years left on a deal at $24mm per.

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      No, he’s good. If the Mets pull this off though, they better still play McNeil every day.

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      • dray16

        2 years ago

        move McNeil to 3rd I’d hope for that down vote I got. McNeil is a very underrated player and proved he can play last year. The Mets would be stupid to ship him off or bench him.

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        • manos

          2 years ago

          I agree they should move McNeill to the hot corner.

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          plus Cano isn’t playing 150+ games, McNeil can move around. Frazier needs to pick it up if he wants to play yet. maybe NY should look to move him as well.

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        • Brixton

          2 years ago

          Cano played 150 games or more for 11 straight seasons before being hit with an 80 game suspension, and still played 80 games. I dont see how he isnt playing 150 games is a given

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 years ago

          The Mets eat half of Frazier’s contract and there should be multiple takers.

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          other than he’s 36 and there isn’t a DH in the NL and likely won’t be taking the drugs that got him banned for 80 games. wonder if that had anything to do with him staying on the field…..

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        • dimitrios in la

          2 years ago

          Brixton, his history of 150+ games a season has no bearing—at all—on what he’ll do this season. Ask Albert Belle. Ask all the pitchers with multiple 200+ inning seasons who then spent a ton of time on the DL after that.

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        • Brixton

          2 years ago

          not saying it does. Im saying to assume a guy who has barely missed a game he was allowed to play in in over a decade wont play a full season is wrong.

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        • Kennon Riley

          2 years ago

          To ignore the aging curve and reject the assumption that Cano will not be an iron man moving forward is wrong.

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        • thetruth

          2 years ago

          Small sample size with a high BABIP and surprising power doesn’t make him underrated, overrated though yes. He’s also rumored to be in the dealZ

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      • lammyj34

        2 years ago

        McNeil looks like is heading to Seattle.

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    • JDGoat

      2 years ago

      He still is. It’s just the deal that’s scary.

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    • SirCheeto1

      2 years ago

      He’s still good, but he’s pretty much a 1st baseman at this point. Plus the fact that he has 5 years left on his contract and he’s 36.

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      • ayrbhoy

        2 years ago

        SSS but Cano at 1B after his return from suspension was a complete disaster- he was directly responsible for game changing errors in at least 3 games I watched. He looked so uncomfortable and ill-fitting in every single game

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      • khopper10

        2 years ago

        He was an above-average defensive 2B in 2018. He is not pretty much a 1B in 2019.

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    • davidcoonce74

      2 years ago

      Cano, even with the PED suspension, was a 3-win player last year. He’s a Daniel Murphy type – the bat plays, even if the defense isn’t wuite uop to snuff anymore. And Diaz is just a beast.

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      • chino31

        2 years ago

        Daniel Murphy comparison is an insult to Cano. Even at 36, Cano is more fluid than Murph and has a superior arm. Cano should be fine going forward for the Mets at second base for at least 3 years. Then he can shift to first or get traded back to an AL team that may be willing to take on the remaining portion of the contract for a quality DH bat.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 years ago

          The waiving of the no trade now does not invalidate with respect to shipping him back to the AL later.

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        • chino31

          2 years ago

          If he can be traded to a contending AL team for a shot to play in the post season, he will waive it.

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        • knickscavsfan

          2 years ago

          Cano has a world series ring already. I think he’ll waive his rights as long as it’s not to a losing team but realistically what non-conder, besides the Mets, would even consider trading for him if they’re rebuilding?

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      • stansfield123

        2 years ago

        Cano was a 3 win player last year, and a 3 win player again in 2018…this time, in half a year. So he’s at least a 4 win player.

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      • connorreed

        2 years ago

        Cano was a Gold Glover not too long ago. Murphy has been a well below-average fielder his entire career.

        Cano, based on all defensive metrics, is still an above-average defender (at least for now). Murphy is, as he’s always been, a major defensive liability.

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    • ffjsisk

      2 years ago

      Nope. Deals gonna depend on how much the M’s eat in salary. Beltre played okay at an advanced age. Everybody’s different.

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    • Slipknot37

      2 years ago

      He wont be soon. Hes already 36 and will start declining soon. Hopefully though he puts up good number for the Mets if the trade happens

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    • walls17

      2 years ago

      He’s still good today. This contract ends when he’s 40

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    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

      2 years ago

      He’ll probably continue to be a really good player for a year or two. But late 30’s 2Bs tend to fall off of a cliff rather abruptly. Maybe the Mets can flip him (once the M’s pay down his salary) to an AL club by further paying down his salary, and chalk it all up to the cost of acquiring Diaz. Even if they pay pay half of Cano’s salary, it’s likely preferable to paying an older pitcher like Kimbrell the same money in free agency.

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    • juicemane

      2 years ago

      Cano put up 7.3 WAR in 2016, good for #6 in the entire league.

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    • shaner41

      2 years ago

      Cano is still very good. He still makes tough plays at 2nd base look easy. He’s a smart hitter with a quick bat. I’ve watched him closely (Mariner fan here!) and I’ve always been impressed with his defense and offense. I’m super annoyed with him taking PEDs or being in the gray area there…and he’s not my favorite player, and he’s lost some of my respect, but he’s good.

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    • WestCoastSoxFan

      2 years ago

      He’s still solid, but that contract! If he were to hit the open market this Winter, he’d probably get about 3yr/$45m? Something like that? The Mets has better hope he ages well of they make this swap.

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    • bradthebluefish

      2 years ago

      He’s still great. Probably has three more All-Star worthy years. It’s his final 1-2 years I’m worried about when Cano is hitting 40.

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    • Mat

      2 years ago

      Most think he might be productive for the next 2 maybe 3 years; BUT its the 4&5 years that scary.

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    • colon

      2 years ago

      You’re not the only one. I’m a pretty big fan of his and the Mariners in general (less so lately), but he has continuing value. I could see him not wanting to stick around while a soft rebuild occurs and his best teammates are sent elsewhere, but his only real negative value is his contract, not his production. Over a whole season of 150+ games, I’d expect 3-4 fWAR if he wasn’t slowed by injuries. His bat is potent and he should continue to age semi-gracefully, even if he has to move to 1B/DH eventually. I’d sure as heck take him over Dee Gordon. If he’s traded I’ll be more than a little bummed.

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    • Vjg

      2 years ago

      It’s not about who he is now. You’re taking on a 35 year old who has 120mm left on his salary.

      You’re getting nothing but regression.

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    • SDHotDawg

      2 years ago

      Is he a good player without being juiced? Sorry, but in my world ethics and integrity mean something.

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  3. walls17

    2 years ago

    Dipoto should be fired after this. I don’t think he quite gets the point. Trading away your best asset just to dump a contract. Stupid.

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    • dimitrios in la

      2 years ago

      Not stupid at all. Money gets you things. And “best” is relative.

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      • taylorcm

        2 years ago

        Ask Braves Fans how they felt about the return for Craig Kimbrel after attaching BJ Upton to him. 2 players who had no real value, 2 prospects that became nothing, and a draft pick. The draft pick is all that is left from that trade 3 years later. Tough to sell that to a rebuilding fan base.

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        • Mat

          2 years ago

          Exactly!
          Slim chance a pkg of prospects produce a major front line player; pitcher or position player.
          So why trade Diaz? Makes no sense

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        • jerrytek

          2 years ago

          Two counterpoints.

          First, I don’t think the Upton/Kimbrel trade is a good analogy, since Upton was TERRIBLE and signed long term. Cano is actually a good player.

          Second, while that specific trade didn’t work out well, aren’t the Braves a good model for a successful rebuild? I would argue that the Braves overall process worked very well.

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        • fantasticword-

          2 years ago

          That 41st draft pick they got landed Austin Riley.

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        • NateB11

          2 years ago

          Not to mention the $ that was freed up from unloading Upton allowed the Braves to do things like the Arroyo/Touki trade. Fans fail to realize the compounding effect trades have on one another.

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      • ayrbhoy

        2 years ago

        I’m with Walls17- Diaz is a known commodity, he could be deployed in the Hader role, or continue to be a top closer for years. He has a unique build that’s hard to find- super long (Michael Phelps style) arms that cracks that ball in w effortless velocity. Nah, you don’t trade Diaz or Haniger. Stupid bloody organization

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      • stansfield123

        2 years ago

        What Seattle need is the one thing money doesn’t get you: high ceiling prospects.

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        • khopper10

          2 years ago

          Exactly!

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      • jerrytek

        2 years ago

        Maybe wait to hear the details of the deal before calling for the GM to be terminated.

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    • RunDMC

      2 years ago

      Closers are the most replaceable position in sports behind kickers. Sure, Diaz is elite and controllable and he won’t be utilized on a non-contending team. It really depends on how much NYM is taking on because Diaz could get 70M-80M in the open market right now (if he were a FA).

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    • billneftleberg

      2 years ago

      What’s stupid is ownership using Diaz to pay down Cano’s contract instead of just using money. I get trying to become financially flexible but giving up Diaz at his highest value just to dump Cano is silly.

      What’s ironic especially if Vargas is involved is that these two teams did this once before when the Mets traded for Seattle’s JJ Putz (then a great reliever with Seattle) he didn’t work too well with the Mets.

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    • bradthebluefish

      2 years ago

      It’s a bullpen arm. When knows when Diaz comes down to earth or tears his ACL or what not. Trade Diaz with Camp and then sign Andrew Miller. Boom. All is well.

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      • hojostache

        2 years ago

        Agreed. I’d much rather have Haniger and sign a FA arm like Robertson. Miller is going to be overpaid for his prior success.

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    • lammyj34

      2 years ago

      This is like the one time in Dipitos GM career that he hasn’t spent big in the offseason and now everyone wants him to be fired. “Boooo we haven’t inked Harper or Machado yet, boooo Fire him!!!”

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  4. DG32

    2 years ago

    NL East is gonna be really interesting

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    • SirCheeto1

      2 years ago

      Mets still gonna finish in 4th place.

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    • dimitrios in la

      2 years ago

      At least for now.

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    • walls17

      2 years ago

      If this is the only significant move the Mets make them not really

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    • path501@yahoo.com

      2 years ago

      You gotta be winning games in order to close them.

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      • DG32

        2 years ago

        Haha, never said they’d be good, just interesting

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      • stansfield123

        2 years ago

        That’s a cheap shot, at best. Every team wins enough games to keep their closer busy.

        When you’re going into a season without a closer, what you’re telling your fans is “don’t bother showing up, because we don’t care about the quality of the team we’re fielding”.

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  5. realgone2

    2 years ago

    Interesting

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  6. acarneglia

    2 years ago

    Getting Diaz would be huge for the Mets bullpen, If Cano can stay on the field and give the Mets anything its a good deal.

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  7. bronxbombers99

    2 years ago

    Depending on what the Mets would give up in this, might be a good 1st trade by Van Wagenen. Diaz is a steal in this.

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  8. throwinched10

    2 years ago

    Can Dipoto trade himself in this deal??

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  9. Frank Friedlander

    2 years ago

    Mets gon’ Met.

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  10. OCTraveler

    2 years ago

    Could this involve one of the Mets’ first line starting pitchers or are we talking role player and prospects in return?

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      role players and/or prospects I’d think.

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      You’re drastically overvaluing cano if you think any deal involving him brings back a frontline starter. Regardless of how Cano plays teams look at his contract as a negative. Adding Diaz just means the mariners won’t have to eat as much salary.

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  11. shmeag

    2 years ago

    Really hope Alonso or Gimenez aren’t in the deal those kids are gonna be special

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    • hojostache

      2 years ago

      The mets had some of the worst production int he majors from 1B last year. They need Alonso to step in and be productive. I wouldn’t move Gimenez, Alonso, or Dunn in this deal because SEA is caught over a barrel. Cano has a full NTC and the rumor is he will only waive his NTC for NYC. If we go back to Stanton only being open to the Yankees….it took away all leverage for the Marlins and they got scraps back for supreme talent AND a discount on his contract.

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  12. martevious

    2 years ago

    I would love to see Cano’s salary get dumped somewhere but giving up Diaz to do it is too high a cost, in my opinion. He’s the best closer in baseball. He had a monster year last year.
    That said, the life of a closer is pretty precarious….relievers are a mercurial lot. They can great one year, and stink the next, and dominate the next!

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    • mr206

      2 years ago

      This is probably the dumbest trade I have seen even cano and his huge Salary is better with the M’s then just trading him with Diaz you should be trading Kyle Seager and dealing diaz alone to get more value out of the beat closer in baseball smh I’m extremely booty hurt

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    • rdsfan05

      2 years ago

      Diaz is good but let’s not go as far as the best closer in baseball Chapman and Kimbrel are still in baseball and they had a bad year for their standards and they still had a sub 2 era

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        2 years ago

        Thumbs up!

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      • khopper10

        2 years ago

        Kimbrel 2.74 and Chapman 2.45. I knew this was wrong but wanted to get the actual numbers, and it only took 15 seconds, which is also how long it would’ve taken you.

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        • lammyj34

          2 years ago

          Lol

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  13. geejohnny

    2 years ago

    Looks like a win…win…win..the Mariners dump Canos contract….Cano goes where he wants and the Mets get some much needed thump. Diaz is a high price to pay so I’m wondering what the return will be.

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  14. bigdaddyhacks

    2 years ago

    As long as no haniger I’m ok with it.

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    • hojostache

      2 years ago

      Haniger is the far safer ask for the Mets, but if I were SEA I’d be very wary of moving him. If SEA thinks that Diaz will continue to be elite (all stats point to yes), then they could consider holding onto him and hope the price gets driven up heading into the 2019 deadline. I’d actually prefer that, as Haniger would be the next most likely piece that moves the needle to move Cano.

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  15. michael102160

    2 years ago

    Really hope that Bruce’s contract can get dumped if this deal occurs.

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  16. raytown17

    2 years ago

    The Mets ownership won’t trade away DeGrom or Syndergaard to rebuild but they’ll trade for Cano

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      probably because they don’t want to rebuild……

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      • Begamin

        2 years ago

        no one wants to rebuild. doesnt mean that they shouldnt rebuild

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  17. bobtillman

    2 years ago

    It looks like Dan O’Dowd, ex GM of Rockies and current mlbtv guy, had this pegged two days ago…….and they laughed at him (Jon Heyman especially)…….

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    • Badfinger

      2 years ago

      I always get the sense that Heyman and O’Dowd don’t like each other.

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      Heyman is a pompous jerk, listening to him is like nails on a chalkboard.

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    • juicemane

      2 years ago

      douches go for blood

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    • jerrytek

      2 years ago

      O’Dowd and his buddies were saying Cano and Diaz/Haniger for Bruce, which would be a terrible, unjustifiable trade for the M’s.

      Thus, they are still idiots.

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  18. HFNY

    2 years ago

    Depends on what the Mariners get back. If they get prospects, then yes. If this is just a salary dump, no way.

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  19. yukongold

    2 years ago

    Get it done, Cash!

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  20. draushaus

    2 years ago

    The PED situation tops the scales for me. If I’m DiPoto, I’d want him out. I have very little tolerance for that behavior.

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    • kpotter21

      2 years ago

      Cruz, Gordon.

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      • dray16

        2 years ago

        lol

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      Another ignorant post about PEDs.

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    • stansfield123

      2 years ago

      Probably why you don’t own a sports team. If you wanna be a good businessman, you can’t go around moralizing. You have to be willing to deal with people with different moral values than yours.

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    • hojostache

      2 years ago

      From a morality standpoint I don’t really care about the PED bust, but from a business and financial standpoint it is worrisome because stirke 2 will lose him for a year. He will be tested more frequently and it would bring unneeded bad press, which the Wilpons hate.

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  21. bobtillman

    2 years ago

    Mariners would have to take Bruce back to level off the money, per O’Dowd….at least lessen it some…..

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    • kpotter21

      2 years ago

      I think dipoto would rather pay it down in cash than take Bruce. Hopefully.

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    • ayrbhoy

      2 years ago

      Negative 0.6 WAR- god I hope not

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    • hojostache

      2 years ago

      Bruce is replacement level. He can hold his own in RF and he is a 30HR and 90-100RBI guy. Last year was rough for him, no doubt…but he was nicked up. He’s not a complete lost cause like Chris Davis, but he is probably worth $10m less than his current contract. My biggest issue with Bruce is that he is blocking Alonso, who could actually be an impact bat if he can produce around his AAA numbers.

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  22. thecrown24

    2 years ago

    If Alonso, Giminez, or Kelenic are in this deal I’m going to be sick to my stomach. Diaz is a stud but this is where the Wilpigs won’t spend money. I’d rather Keep anyone of those prospects and then go out and sign Miller Or Kimbrel instead of taking on Canos contract even if it’s like 50/60 million for five years and you get Diaz. I would not do that deal if it means getting rid of any of the young stud prospects.

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    • rdsfan05

      2 years ago

      Gimenez is more trade able then the other two due to Rosario already being at short but as long as they don’t trade Alonso or kelenic it’s a win

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      • thecrown24

        2 years ago

        Agreed but being a Mets fan and watching Rosario guy has not been as advertised since being the best SS prospect in the game before getting called up. Granted he finished the second half of the season on a somewhat strong note. The potential is still there with him being so young but I’m just not sold yet that he’s going to be that “perennial all star player” Even if he does blossom Giminez is more then capable of Playing Second Base.

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      • hojostache

        2 years ago

        My issue with moving Gimenez is that he is already a toosly slick fielding SS, but in the past year he has shown a better bat, which really could bump up his value if he can develop into an effective hitter at a premium position. Rosario is blocking him, but talent is talent.

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  23. CharlieH

    2 years ago

    Unfortunately, I see Carlos Baerga, part deux from the Mets’ side.

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    • anthonym

      2 years ago

      The only saving grace is that Cano is not a Cleveland 2B – like Baerga and Alomar were.

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  24. Mr. MacPhisto

    2 years ago

    Edwin Diaz would be a great get for the Cubs but not add the added cost of Robinson Cano. Similar to the Cubs, the Mets need a closer and more offense but they don’t have as many financial barriers in taking on Cano’s remaining contract. I’m guessing that if this deal gets done then trading Jacob deGrom and/or Noah Syndergaard becomes less likely.

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    • hojostache

      2 years ago

      There are no current talks about extending Wheeler, which is worrisome and may make the Mets gun shy to move Syn because that would go against their claim that they want to be competitive now and not go into a rebuild.

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  25. Rathipon

    2 years ago

    Makes sense for the Mariners. They aren’t going to compete for 2 or 3 years. By then Cano will be an expensive albatross. Diaz is at the absolute height of his potential trade value right now. Every year he sits on a losing Mariners team his excess value dwindles down. In 3 years, when they plan to compete, they will have plenty of payroll flexibility to sign an elite closer and then some.

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    • Brixton

      2 years ago

      So if hes at his absolutely max value, why would they package him with a bad contract and dilute his trade return?

      Cano is still a great player who is just expensive. No need to ‘dump him.’ Unless they are completely cutting payroll, which in that case, they could probably package non-elite assets with him to do so.

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      • Rathipon

        2 years ago

        Because they are underwater on the bad contract roughly the same amount as they have excess value in Diaz. If the next 6 years of Cano are worth $50 million, then they have $70 million in negative equity. The next 4 years of Diaz on the open market are worth roughly the same or maybe a little less in fact. So it roughly balances out the burden they are taking with Cano.

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        • Brixton

          2 years ago

          or you can maximize your prospect return by putting them in separate deals, since prospects are far more valuable than money in baseball.

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        • Rathipon

          2 years ago

          “prospects are far more valuable than money”. Pretty much the most meaningless statement I’ve seen here. So are you saying the blue jays wouldn’t hand over Vlad Jr. for a billion dollars? They would put a pretty bow on him and wouldn’t think twice about it.

          In other words, of course prospects are worth money.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Cano has given us 20.7 fWAR over the first 5 years of his contract valued at $163.7 million. That’s $43.7m over his 120 paid. He’s not as bad as a lot of ppl make him out to be. I understand getting rid of Cano’s contract but with Diaz? That hurts haha!

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        • Brixton

          2 years ago

          well a billion dollars vs 120M is very different.

          I dont really think the Jays would give up Vlad JR for 120M lol…

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        • billneftleberg

          2 years ago

          ayrbhoy you being dishonest. What Cano did in the first five years has absolutely nothing to do with what he’ll do in the next five. So why even bring it up? If the Mariners thought that they wouldnt be trading him. And you know it.

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        • stansfield123

          2 years ago

          The balance is more like $60M for Cano’s value, and $60M for Diaz’.

          So the Mariners have three options:
          1. they spend that $60M value Diaz is worth on prospects
          2. they cash in on it, and spend the money on something else
          3. don’t spend it, they take the money out of the business completely

          I think taking money out of a rapidly growing business (which baseball is) is stupid. And the best thing they could spend it on is prospects. If anything, they should spend some of Cano’s $60M value on a prospect too…in other words, eat $90M of his salary, and ask for a prospect valued at $30M in return.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Mariners are trying to shed his salary due to the abundance of talented teams in the AL. Nevermind our AL W. We desperately need SP and prospect depth- we can’t get those w/o chipping away at our payroll. What we’re debating here is completely subjective- you and I both know we have absolutely no idea how he’ll fare over the next 5 yrs. Great players gradually decline- that’s prob what he’ll do. But, again- no one knows

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      • hojostache

        2 years ago

        Again…the bigger issue is that Cano has a full NTC and as of today, NYC is the only place he’d consider waiving his NTC. If the Mets want Diaz or Haniger….I highly doubt they’d take lesser prospects. They have been pushing the narrative that tehy want to compete this year, but that doesn’t happen with taking a bunch of non-elite prospects.

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  26. Ben

    2 years ago

    Mariners need a solid player in return and to continue with an legit vision.

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  27. Rathipon

    2 years ago

    For the Mets, it’s too little too late. They should have been spending when their window first opened. Now they’re just delaying the inevitable and making the upcoming rebuild more difficult because of less payroll flexibility.

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  28. gotothevideotape

    2 years ago

    Ok, a poll for the day:

    Who is faster going to first?
    Machado or Cano??

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      Cano, he hits from the left side.

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      • gotothevideotape

        2 years ago

        good point Dray

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    • chino31

      2 years ago

      Bartolo if you dangle a ribeye in front of him

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        2 years ago

        lol
        with Panda right behind him.

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        • gotothevideotape

          2 years ago

          zlol

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        • gotothevideotape

          2 years ago

          lol edit

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        • Begamin

          2 years ago

          Panda will be too busy picking up his broken belt

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      • gotothevideotape

        2 years ago

        haha, lmao

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    • ryanf1

      2 years ago

      Both are faster than Pujols

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      • gotothevideotape

        2 years ago

        omg, sweet@

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      • gotothevideotape

        2 years ago

        omg, sweet. oops

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    • stansfield123

      2 years ago

      Cano is one of the few players in history to double on a bunt. So he can hustle if there’s something in it for him. He just doesn’t do it for eyewash.

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  29. Marge Schott's Lovechild

    2 years ago

    I wouldn’t get too excited about Diaz. He’s only had one great season. The closer is the most volatile position on a team.

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      Diaz is a stud, i wouldn’t be worried about him at all.

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      • Brixton

        2 years ago

        eh, dude was hardly ‘great’ in 2017

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          he’s 24

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        • Brixton

          2 years ago

          and fits the TJ profile pretty well

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Dude was converted to RP in AA and in a matter of 2-3 WEEKS! skipped AAA came up to the bigs. Then, in a couple weeks moved from 8th inn role to a MLB Closer. That’s special! He’s young, 24 for crying out loud. Besides, his statistics from 2017 and even this yr don’t do him justice- he had a couple of games where he gave up 2,3 Runs in blown saves that ballooned his 2017 ERA (to 3.27)and WHIP (1.15).

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        • billneftleberg

          2 years ago

          You’re a joke. Remember JJ Putz. He did the same thing and the Mets fell for it then too. To their regret. Relievers are notoriously volitile.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Oh so we’re doing insults now? Nice! Btw- JJ Putz was 31 yrs old coming off a season w a 3.88 ERA, he converted 15 of 23 Saves yr before the trade! Hardly the same

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        • billneftleberg

          2 years ago

          Yes he had 15 saves but he only play half the season,he had 36 and 40 the two prior years before his finger injury (which wouldn’t let him use his best pitch the splitter) he won the award as best relief pitcher and the Mets were suckers for trading a boatload for him (6 players including top prospects Mike Carp and a young Jason Vargas) the point being that just like Diaz, Putz was sold as an elite young closer. And he ended up being much less. Relief pitchers are a crapshoot unless you’re a Rivera or Kimberly or chapman

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          “Edwin Diaz reminds me of JJ Putz” said no-one ever!! And after looking at the numbers from his first 3 yrs in MLB who’s Diaz been compared to the most? Kimbrel

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      • Marge Schott's Lovechild

        2 years ago

        So a ballplayer only has to be great one season to be a stud?

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          nope, doesn’t even need that much time

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        • Marge Schott's Lovechild

          2 years ago

          You’re right. Luke Voit was great for two months and now he’s the next Lou Gehrig.

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          Luke Voit?!?!? WTF are you talking about?

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        • Marge Schott's Lovechild

          2 years ago

          Why do I waste my time replying to comments on this site?

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        • dray16

          2 years ago

          great question, no one said Voit a stud, take your nonsense elsewhere and stop trying to put words in my mouth. Diaz being a stud has nothing to do with Voit having a nice 2 months.

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        • Marge Schott's Lovechild

          2 years ago

          I was not putting words in your mouth, pal. Relax.

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        • vtadave

          2 years ago

          Soto, Buehler, and Acura are studs.

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        • mrnatewalter

          2 years ago

          Acura?

          I’m more of a Lexus guy.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Marge- his 2016 (1/2) season was also good, 2017 was NOT a bad season it was good but not great, he was 23 and still adjusting to hitters adjustments. Sorry dude, but I’ve watched nearly every game Diaz has closed, it’s not how many Saves he’s had or stats accumulated it’s how he’s dominated MLB hitters. This kid’s special- 6’ 3” tall long ‘swimmers arms’ that whip the ball in effortlessly- he’s going to be really good for a while.

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        • Marge Schott's Lovechild

          2 years ago

          I have nothing against Diaz. I hope he has a Hall of Fame career. But one great season doesn’t make him a stud. Kimbrel is a stud because he has been great for nearly a decade. Mariano Rivera was great for 15 years. People have different opinions about which players are studs and which ones aren’t.

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        • Mr. MacPhisto

          2 years ago

          Rivera was always a stud. Diaz is currently a stud and a young one at that. Kimbrell was a stud but looking more like a shim lately.

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        • steelerbravenation

          2 years ago

          Rivera wasn’t a stud when he couldn’t get out of the 3rd inning as a failed starter

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        • steelerbravenation

          2 years ago

          Yankees found Mo by accident nobody anticipated him being great. He wasn’t some top prospect. 96 they moved him into the bullpen cause he couldn’t get thru a lineup. Then by the end of the year he was setting up Wettland. He kept things fresh when later when he started to lose it he developed a cutter. Probably the best cutter ever and it added years to his dominance. That’s what separated him from other relievers. Once he lost a couple mph he developed another pitch.

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  30. NYIrishman@FL

    2 years ago

    It is very interesting to see who is going back to Seattle. Not sure what prospects the Mets have to send while possibly including Bruce on this deal. I do agree closers now a days are a dime a dozen just look at what past closers are now set up guys. The closer role is such a swinging door that Diaz might be flipped by that July trading deadline for prospects.

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  31. jolink65

    2 years ago

    I can’t imagine Seattle would give up Diaz just to shed a part of Cano’s contract. If they were dropping the whole contract then maybe, but not a part of it. There would have to be something pretty significant coming back from the Mets in terms of young players. Otherwise it would make no sense from Seattle’s point of view. Diaz alone would command a major return from a contending team looking for a dominant closer, probably along the lines of what Philly got for Ken Giles.

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    • ayrbhoy

      2 years ago

      Send Colome- he had 2.53 ERA in 47 appearances w the Ms and has prior closing experience

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      • jolink65

        2 years ago

        That I could see. Colome has been a solid closer, but he has the propensity to blow up from time to time. Diaz meanwhile is young, controllable and cheap, so I really don’t understand why Seattle would want to trade him even to dump Cano’s deal. If they’re aiming to build for two years from now, wouldn’t Diaz still be young and cheap then?

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          Every closer blows a few saves each season, Treinen, Jansen, Diaz, Kimbrel, the lot! But I see your point- he walked the tightrope many times in between long stretches where he was dominant. Colomé unfortunately went to CWS but brought us back a decent young Catcher and I doubt if sent to the Mets he’d bring back Kelenic

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  32. retsubllab

    2 years ago

    Hey, with only 17 years left on the Bonilla commitment the Cano contract should slot in perfectly.

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      2 years ago

      Lol Bonilla.
      Average folk call that a mortgage.

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  33. bwick17

    2 years ago

    Conforto to Seattle? He is from Seattle I would love to see Cano for Conforto deal.

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    • dray16

      2 years ago

      Mets are not dealing Conforto

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  34. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    2 years ago

    Let’s all post our best guesses on the structure of this deal: I have 2:

    1) Jay Bruce and the 2 remaining years of David Wright’s deal for Cano and Diaz, or;
    2) Cespedes and Todd Frazier for Cano and Diaz

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    • Brixton

      2 years ago

      Wright retired, so his deal is voided.

      M’s wont be trading Diaz without getting good young assets back

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    • mrnatewalter

      2 years ago

      The Mets are trying to get rid of a big contract, not take two more back.

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    • jolink65

      2 years ago

      So Seattle is supposed to take on all the Mets’ garbage contracts while eating part of Cano’s and giving up an elite closer? How does that make any sense for Seattle?

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      • Jason

        2 years ago

        i thought the exact same thing, he must be in the twilight zone

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      2 years ago

      No trade of any kind.
      We’re talking about the Mets.

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  35. RunDMC

    2 years ago

    NYM’s 1st rd selections for 2016 (Dunn) and 2018 (Kelenic) – considering both are OF prospects, I wonder if SEA would return OF in the deal or eat A LOT of the contract.

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    • anthonym

      2 years ago

      Dunn is a pitcher.

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      • RunDMC

        2 years ago

        Ah, overlooked that. Thank you.

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  36. paulslc

    2 years ago

    Worst GM in the game. Makes Jack Z look like a genius in comparison.

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  37. swanhenge

    2 years ago

    BVW is getting off on the wrong foot if he thinks this will help the Mets. Good god!! You could get any number of bodies to be your closer. The only way this doesn’t turn into a sh** sandwich is if SEA pays down half of Canos contract.

    This would be so #lolmets.

    And also…whats w the conflicting reports. Passan is usually a fairly dependable source. Kinda strange to have water thrown on his scoop so quickly.

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    • coldbeer

      2 years ago

      If they pay 2/3 of Cano contract it’ll still be a bad deal financially.

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      2 years ago

      Only an owner who got scammed by Bernie Madoff would hire an agent for a new GM.

      It still boggles the mind what has happened to this organization. World Series visits about every 15 years. Was always a fun place for games, even when they sucked 60s style.

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  38. coldbeer

    2 years ago

    This can’t be real. Trading a broken down, ultra-expensive 2nd baseman with a closer. A. Freaking. Closer…

    …and actually getting something in return? In the form of actual prospects?!

    How much money exactly is Nintendo eating on this? Or has Dipoto pulled off a heist??

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    • Brixton

      2 years ago

      Cano is a really good, not-broken down player who is just old and expensive.

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      • coldbeer

        2 years ago

        Allow me to clarify…over the hill.

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      • marinest21

        2 years ago

        If the Mets think that he can play an adequate second base in the National League for the remainder of that contract,
        I have a bridge to sell them.

        Unless the NL replaces the pitchers spot in the lineup with the DH, this makes little sense for the Mets.

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        • mikeyank55

          2 years ago

          Hey marine-on the surface you are right that this makes little sense for the Mets. However…

          Welcome to the NY Mets drama show where deals are made by people who are so desperate to show their signature that they piss away any opportunity for suns and steady investment and development.

          So when Cano breaks down (as all steroiders do) the press will be all over him. We will enjoy the “Robby Loaf” moves in the field which change based upon mood.

          However the silent part of this deal is that Jay Z has thrown a million per year into Mets seats to try to push attendance up.

          Were salivating in anticipation of the drama.

          Another high followed by a crash for the Mets. Lol

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        • thecrown24

          2 years ago

          I was waiting for “Senior Citizen MikeYanks55” Remark you literally are the biggest troll on this entire site. I hope the Yankees come in and save the Mets from this ridiculous trade scenario even Mikey Francesa thinks it makes more sense for the Yankees to bring back Cano given the Didi situation.

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      • hojostache

        2 years ago

        …and one failed drug test away from a 1yr suspension. I still think he is a solid player and I think he will produce for at least 3 of the 5 remaining years. The Mets finally have some infield depth, so they can give him regular days off and not get pinched too badly.

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    • mrnatewalter

      2 years ago

      Diaz would bring in significantly more than just Kelenic and Dunn if he were traded on his own (think what Boston gave up for Craig Kimbrel).

      So taking on Cano’s contract (which the Mets can afford) actually helps the Mets lessen the blow.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      2 years ago

      Dipoto has never pulled off a heist. No one said he’s getting back any prospects unless you consider Jay Bruce a prospect.

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      • mrnatewalter

        2 years ago

        Multiple major reporters have suggested that talks are centered around names of guys like Kelenic & Dunn. So, yes, it likely will result in the Mariners getting prospects back.

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        • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

          2 years ago

          Then it also involves a massive paydown on Cano’s deal and taking back Jay Bruce and maybe even Frazier.

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        • mrnatewalter

          2 years ago

          Says who?

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  39. jakec77

    2 years ago

    Clearly Mets see themselves as having a 2 year window of contention. Not sure I agree.

    But, if you do think you can contend for the next couple of years, the deal makes sense. Cano is overpaid, but not dramatically so, in next two years. Add him and Diaz, presumably subtract Bruce. Add a catcher, get an 8th inning guy. Looks to be a decent team, probably not as good as the elite teams in baseball, but good enough to potentially contend and with Degrom and Syndergaard would stand a chance against anyone in a short series, particularly if they get Cespedes back and he resembles his old self.

    Then two years from now, tear it all down.

    Not the way I’d go, but I could see it.

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      2 years ago

      I’d like to see Swihart go to the Mets.

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      • jakec77

        2 years ago

        That would have made a lot of sense last summer if the could have gotten him then- they could have just installed him at catcher for 2 months and seen what they have.

        But getting him now isn’t that helpful, the Mets are apparently trying to compete this season you can’t go into the year with that kind of question mark pencilled in at catcher.

        He’d still be a good fit for a rebuilding team that can afford potentially atrocious play from the catcher position- but that also eliminates anyone that is developing young pitchers.

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  40. bernbabybern

    2 years ago

    Taking a shot at the math.

    Let’s say Diaz is worth Chapman money, 17 mil per year. So he’s worth 68 mil over the next 4 years. Let’s say he gets 28 mil in his 3 years of arb. That leaves 40 mil of surplus value for Diaz. That would make Cano’s contract 5/80, or 16 per year. Do you want to pay that for Cano’s age 36-40 years?

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      2 years ago

      Exactly. M’s fans are a little deluded to think Cano’s contract has any value, just because he’s a fan favorite. That deal has Jason Heyward levels of negative value, if not more, which means you need to attach a great asset to move it.

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      • kaehlaone

        2 years ago

        Go to fangraphs and comeback with some realistic facts

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      • ayrbhoy

        2 years ago

        Most M’s fans know we’ll have to contribute $$ to trade him. But no value? Cano generated around 2.6-3.0 WAR in 80g after coming back from his suspension. That is value. Besides in the first 5yrs of this contract he’s contributed 20.7 fWAR worth 167m, he’s still a really good hitter and although he’s lost some range there’s few 2B that are as graceful and slick as Robbie.

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      2 years ago

      Sounds cheap enough to me.

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  41. Jason

    2 years ago

    peterson is 29…quite the youngster

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    • Jeff Todd

      2 years ago

      Our auto-linker picked up a different player by the same name. It is now fixed.

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  42. Senioreditor

    2 years ago

    If I’m Seattle I do this immediately and move on from a very bad contract and reset. I understand the Mets position, adding Cano and Diaz catapults them up the standings.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      2 years ago

      Correct. Seattle is a horribly constructed roster and needs to rebuild on a number of levels. They will never beat Houston as-is and probably can’t even hang with Oakland. The farm system is a mess. I understand the angst from their fans that this trade means 70 wins in 2019, but you cannot keep that Cano contract for the next half-decade. You just can’t.

      Move on, And if I were Dipoto, I’d be dangling Segura to see if there are any takers and maybe even Haniger out there for a massive haul of prospects.

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      • ayrbhoy

        2 years ago

        It’s not just 70 W in 2019- you do this trade, and believe me there’d be more to come, skin the team, there’s no guarantee you have a winning season for the next 4-5 years, none! This org. has a long long track record of failure to develop young talent. Outside of Diaz, Seager (debatable) and Felix there’s been zero can’t miss prospects in the last 2 decades.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          I forgot about Paxton;) but even he didn’t reach his potential.

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        • khopper10

          2 years ago

          Adam Jones was pretty good, just not for us.

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        • ayrbhoy

          2 years ago

          So was David Ortiz, Jason Varitek, Ivan Calderon, Matt Thornton, Billy Swift, Shawn Estes, Asdrubal Cabrera, Mike Hampton, Tino Martinez, Shin Soo Choo, Omar Vizquel, Derek Lowe – all Mariner trades that got away!! Haha WOW!

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  43. fba0017

    2 years ago

    Different Mets management but still inept. This will cost them years from now.

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    • stansfield123

      2 years ago

      Every time you sign someone, it’s probably gonna cost you years from now. That in itself is not an argument to not do it.

      The Mets have a good rotation. Adding hitting and a closer makes sense, and $120M is not that big a cost for two players, when you’re in the biggest market in the world.

      If anything, the losers in a deal like this would be the Mariners. They’d be prioritizing short term profits over building for the future. Small market owners will do that, because they can afford to alienate their fans and live off revenue sharing handouts, while fielding a competitive team maybe once a decade.

      The Mariners are in way too good a market for that “business strategy” to make sense for them.

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  44. tonysdog01

    2 years ago

    Please tell me this is just the Mets trying to make their fans think that their doing something. How about a young team?

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  45. stansfield123

    2 years ago

    Trading a veteran with a no trade clause to the Mets is not expected to be a hurdle? Oh I bet it’s gonna be a hurdle. Cano can choose the team he goes to, and it’s not gonna be the Mets.

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  46. thorshair

    2 years ago

    Trading Kelenic would be a mistake

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  47. Mario93

    2 years ago

    Cano and Diaz to the Mets for prospects.. 5 years left for Cano, which is a lot for an aging player. If Seattle is able to give away Cano’s full contract they won the deal hands down, forget the prospects.

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  48. jvent

    2 years ago

    Trade Bruce,Dom Smith,Dunn,Flores and Swarzak to Seattle for Diaz,Cano and $50 mil
    Than trade Matz,Rosario and Frazier to Milwaukee for Corey Ray,Braun and Davies.
    Sign Keuchel,Miller and Wilson Ramos.
    Lineup: Ray,Mcneil,Cano,Braun,Conforto,Alonso,Ramos and Gimenez
    Rotation: deGrom,Syn,Keuchel,Wheeler and Davies
    Closer: Diaz

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    • kaehlaone

      2 years ago

      Why would the Mariners go that deal? Get real

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        2 years ago

        Why would the Brewers accept that deal too? Clearly he thinks that the other 29 team in MLB are in the business of making the Mets better, instead of making themselves better.

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  49. pinkerton

    2 years ago

    Dealin’ Dipoto

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  50. Baltsportsfan

    2 years ago

    If Cano is a salary dump I will trade you straight up him for Chris Davis, and Davis is owed about $30 mil less.

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    • rascnyc

      2 years ago

      Mets flipping Cano to skanks!!!!!!

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      2 years ago

      LOL, Cano even has more value than Crash Davis. If Davis is still owed $85 million, then he has $100 million of negative value, due to him tying up a 25-man spot.

      Oh man, just saying that, I feel so bad for O’s fans.

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