Jan. 21: The Braves have also “checked on” a trade involving Pederson, tweets Jon Heyman of Fancred. It’s still not clear how many teams have been in contact with L.A., nor is it clear whether there’s any momentum surrounding a potential Pederson deal. However, the connection with Atlanta is only logical. The Braves have an obvious corner-outfield vacancy at the moment, and Braves general manager Alex Anthopoulos spent the 2016-17 seasons as the Dodgers’ vice president of baseball operations before accepting his current position.
Jan. 20: The Dodgers are discussing outfielder Joc Pederson in potential deals, and the White Sox are among the teams they’re talking to, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports. It’s unclear, though, whether the two sides are making progress in those conversations.
Speculatively, trading Pederson could further open up room in LA for free-agent center fielder A.J. Pollock, whom the team is pursuing. And essentially swapping the lefty-swinging Pederson for the right-handed Pollock would enable the Dodgers’ lineup to become more balanced, which is reportedly among their offseason objectives. At the same time, though, waving goodbye to Pederson would mean losing a productive, affordable player who’s under arbitration control through the 2020 season. He’ll earn a reasonable $5MM this year after avoiding arbitration earlier this month.
While the 26-year-old Pederson has never been effective versus left-handed pitchers, who have held him to a woeful .181/.266/.317 line since he debuted in 2014, it has been a different story against righties. Most recently, Pederson posted an overall .248/.321/.522 line (126 wRC+) in 2018 with 25 home runs and 2.7 fWAR over 443 plate appearances. Despite his limitations against same-handed hurlers, Pederson has approached or exceeded 3.0 fWAR in three of the past four seasons. That type of production would be welcome in Chicago, whose outfield ranked dead last in fWAR (minus-1.2) in 2018. The unit has since lost one of its regulars, now-Ray Avisail Garcia, who was merely a replacement-level player last season, though it did add Jon Jay in free agency. Jay had a subpar 2018 in his own right, however, and hasn’t offered particularly strong production over the past few years.
Jay’s now part of a group which also includes Daniel Palka, Adam Engel and Leury Garcia, though all three of those outfielders registered underwhelming results last year. Fortunately for the White Sox, they do have a premier outfield prospect in Eloy Jimenez, whom they figure to promote early in the season and who could make a significant impact from the get-go. But Jimenez’s presence isn’t going to prevent the White Sox from trying to upgrade elsewhere in the grass, evidenced by their interest in Pederson and their pursuit of free-agent standout Bryce Harper.
Good move for the Dodgers: trade a platoon lefty for a part-time righty.
Aren’t up votes and down votes just great? Doesn’t matter how reasonable your statement is because logic doesn’t have anything to do with it.
In either case you get an out fielder who is going to give you a little over 400 AB’s.
Go Dodger Blue! But I like Joc and his price is right. He has a lot of emotion and loves to play the game. I would not trade him.
Nor would I!
His homerun in the NLDS against the Nationals was classic, I’ve never seen a player so excited
Dodger fans value Pederson much the same as Cub fans value Schwarber. Doubt he is moved as the outside world does not agree with the over-valuation.
That’s actually a pretty solid comp, although I think Schwarber May have a little more upside against lefties at this point? Either way, both are platoon left fielders at this point.
Not at all. Pederson wont fetch much. A lottery ticket prospect and a low level prospect. Cubs fans think Schwarber should net them a good MLB player
Actually not at all true. Like most players there are few that like him because of his passion, but myself and the majority of Dodger’s fans cringe every time he steps to the plate. He has never been the same since the HR derby. If you were to follow Dodger blogs he’s not wanted and most are ready for this trade to happen.
As a cardinals I’d like to see him in right field over Fowler any day.. bring him and his brother champ to stl..
The guy strikes out too much, and I don’t think the price of a career .228 hitter is ever right. People get distracted by power and tend to ignore the obvious weaknesses of certain players. There are two good things about him: he has power and he isn’t afraid to take a walk if he doesn’t get a pitch he likes. Unfortunately those things are outweighed by virtually everything else in his line, especially his strikeout rate, his low batting average and his total inability to hit against left handed pitchers.
He’s brought the K rate way down the last couple of years. A guy with 30 HR pop and a 10% walk rate can K 20% of the time and it’s fine. As the big half of a RF platoon with Jose Martinez/Tyler O’Neill i think it would work well. I’d still rather they just sign Harper but Pederson would be much better than doing nothing at all to address RF.
Pederson must be Machado’s yoga partner.
Lol. I like the idea alot for both teams. Depends a bit on who would go back to Dodgers though.
I heard Peterson is his dog walker
If he doesn’t improve against lefties, he could be promoted to Manny’s full time pool boy.
That is funny!
wonder who the 2 mystery teams for perderson would be?
I just saw an article on a Dodger site saying they have been talking to Pittsburgh about Starling Marte, so maybe this is one of the other teams.
Tree Hugger Partner!
If this is true, it could be a good trade for the WSox. Depending on who goes back to the Dodgers.
If this is true, it could be a bad trade for the White Sox, depending on who goes back to the Dodgers.
It’s Ken Rosenthal reporting so the odds lean to a falsehood.
I’ve noticed that every single “insider” has been accused of inaccuracy or outright lying. Reading the comments here you would think not one story posted is true. Not sure why people read any article that is speculation vs a report that covers a finalization. Maybe they should take “rumors” out of the name and only report news.
If this is true, it most likely is a meh trade for both teams.
Pederson has had a couple blah seasons the last two years. Not impressed.
We already have a better version of Pederson in Palka who can’t hit lefties either but who has more power why in the world would Sox want Pederson?
Maybe because Pederson can actually play defense, including CF. Pederson also has demonstrated high OBP ability in his career to this point, something that Palka has not done. Pederson can fill a valuable role on the South Side as a bridge to Luis Robert or Blake Rutherford. What’s Palka’s role right now other than being a placeholder in LF until Eloy Jimenez debuts in mid-April or a defensive liability as a platoon option in RF?
Palka is best suited to be a platoon candidate at DH/1B and that role is not currently available unless Jose Abreu or Yonder Alonso is traded off of the White Sox roster.
Has Joke Pederson every been known an elite defender? No. Palka is a defensive liability more of a 1b/ DH than a Rfer. In the same amount of AB’s in his rookie campaign Palka had more homers & RBI’s than Joke has ever had with a slightly lower OBP. What is it about Sox trading anything for Joke that gets your marbles hot Aaron?
White Sox have no business trading for Pederson. He doesn’t fit into their window.. But Rick Hahn is in charge so this wouldn’t surprise me.
When is the White Sox window? Doesn’t the window require some of the minor league prospects arriving in the majors, and actually proving they belong? The Tigers have as many as the White Sox, but no one is ready to talk about their window because, just like the White Sox, they aren’t close enough to talk about it, yet.
If this trade happens regardless of who the Dodgers get it will be a bad trade for the White Sox. Not a player Sox should be interested in, 2nd coming of Dayan Viciedo with better defense and draws a few more walks. No Thanks
Can you write the story once you know at least what the potential trade is between both teams? This is a nothing burger!
lol
Yes they do that a lot here.
What’s amazing is that I see a bunch of conclusions posted….
Some state good or bad. Some go on tangents as to who they think is coming back…..and people argue who gets the best of that fantasy. Then there’s the inevitable – he will be good or bad for that team. And of course – “we’re hearing that Team X is talking about acquiring an OF” (they did that yesterday with the Braves).
Reminds me of a George Carlin skit in which he plays a TV Sportscaster. As Carlin’s reading the news, a guy hands him a piece of paper. Carlin looks into the camera and excitingly says – “We have a partial score! Detroit 3”.
So much in America that was outlandish comedy just 10-15 years ago, is now normalized thinking and behavior.
OMG….next you’ll be typing the Seven Deadly Words in your posts…..
I think most fans don’t realize that trade discussions happen constantly. Some bored GM will always call one of his compatriots and talk some kind of deal. And it’s ongoing…”napkin” deals disappeared with the onset of agents, lawyers, accountants and ownership involvement. Most trades completed even at the Winter Meetings had been discussed back in July.
So that the notion that Team “A” is “in on” Player “A” is just ludicrous. Most teams are in on EVERYBODY, for the right price. Nothing wrong with it..most teams want to get better, in one sense or another.
Did yall miss the “rumor” part in the title……….
Yeah totally didn’t know the name of the site I was on. Thanks for opening my eyes.
All I’m saying is lets at least have a full rumor instead of a half rumor.
stop complaining
SIR yes SIR
salute
Wouldn’t the nature of a rumor be information that isn’t complete at the very least?
I agree, only report rumors that have at least 3 sources who have sworn on the bible. Should probably involve a notary as well. I only want rumors that are 100% going to lead to deals. /sarcasm
“So much in America that was outlandish comedy just 10-15 years ago, is now normalized thinking and behavior.”
This site has been reporting in a very similar way for 10-15 years so I don’t really see your point Samuel.
Always amusing to see commentors saying that something shouldn’t be posted, as if anyone cares (fellow commentors or the actual writers). Can always start your own site or give the money that you’re paying to MLBTR to another one. Oh wait..
@ johnrealtime;
Agents, FO people and others are leaking information some of which is true, some of which is made up, and some of which they hope causes the other side to move on something totally different.
The other day a NY writer picked on Cashman asking his staff about trading for the Rockies 3B. MLBTR published that today. From what I can gather, that was from a brainstorming session long before they signed LeMahieu. Same thing with the Padres and Indians talking about a 3-way with the Reds for Kluber. They were kicking that around 2 months ago, and realized nothing was realistic. The Indians cut payroll with some other moves and pulled Kluber off the market. Yet this so-called trade was reported after the teams moved on.
There’s nothing wrong with reporting rumors. But when the reader cannot differentiate from something practical and some throwaway line that is cut-and-pasted with exaggerated importance, then it’s just discredited gossip.
I see your point. I think the onus is on the reader to actually read the quoted article to get context, though I can imagine it is an extremely small percentage of commentors that do so. I imgaine the MLBTR writers find something they think is important or interesting and quote it in their post. I assume that most rumors spread are indeed BS or wishful thinking for a GM or agent, though I guess that many take these rumblings much more literally and seriously
I wonder if this is the guy in the Braves rumors that “hasn’t been mentioned publicly”
Trout 🙂 – Not sure, would love to know that as well.
Pederson, Engel, Jimenez, and Harper would be an intriguing outfield. Power hitting, strong defense(Engel is a human highlight reel), and swag.
Even better that they’d get to play 4 guys out there! That’s a sweet beer league outfield!
I meant rotate them or use one as a DH…
LOL – I know man, just messing with you.
I immediately thought the same thing haha! “4 outfielders?? Now that IS intriguing…”
They can just play 3 infielders, then There will be plenty to do for the 4 outfielders.
Or one of themoutfielsers can be a perennial shift infielder.
I must have missed the story about the Sox making a formal offer to Harper.
We have Eloy. Don’t need Harper.
I’d rather Sox look for a CF with more offensive potential.
Why Peterson? We already have too many low average, medium pop hitters. Remember how much Todd Steverson going to screw him up more. Before Steverson gets thru with him he’ll be retiring like Big Donkey & Crazy Adam did. Man just call up Rutherford instead…..Its sad when a players good side of hitting is praised when it’s only a .241 average. Say No To Peterson. GEAUX SAUX
If he platoons with Engel in CF, you would actually get pretty decent production. Out of that position. Pederson would hit 30 hrs in guaranteed rate as a part time player.
Blake Rutherford has yet to play a single game above A+ ball. He is being ticketed by the White Sox for AA Birmingham in 2019. Joc Pederson, with two years of remaining arbitration eligible control can be a bridge to him or #4 prospect Luis Robert come 2021.
Joc Pederson has never hit more than 26 hrs in a year so how do you figure
Rule #1: Add to strengths. I don’t see why so many baseball fans think this is a bad idea. Brewers did the same in their OF. Dodgers always have 7-8 possible SP. Yankees with their bullpen.
So many White Sox fans think that the fact that they have a solid group of OF prospects should keep them from making significant upgrades on the ML level. True, more likely than not Eloy will pan out and so will some pair of the half dozen solid prospects they have. But if they make significant adds they can push up their competitive timeline and make a significant trade or two to shore up another area of weakness.
these are the players the white sox should be going after, not damn John Jay, at some point there needs to be some signal of getting better instead of just saying “wait til the prospects come up” i think the white sox should be going after JT realmuto too
The Marlins are asking for an arm and a leg for JTR. I don’t understand the point of the Sox doing that for two years of a catcher. If they can negotiate an extension into the trade then maybe.
Jon Jay has unflattering photos on all 30 GMs.
Marlins would want your best ML player ans 4 of your top 50 players.
Finally. Shoulda dumped him and Urias for Cole Hamels but you wouldn’t listen.
Even with the benefit of hindsight Urias and Pederson for Hamels would have been a huge overpay. As a dodger fan I love that that trade never came together.
No they shouldn’t have. Hamels fell off hard after 2016. Joc was a solid player last season. Urias is still only 22. I’ll take whatever upside he had over 1.3 good years Hamels gave Texas
Hamels was a 2.7 WAR in 2017 and 3.8 WAR in 2018.
Hamels would have been great at Dodger Stadium.
Apparently this guy stopped watching baseball 3 yrs ago.
Hahaha!!
He is a more patient, better fielding version of Daniel Palka.
Would take him on the Mets depending on what the dodgers want back
Pederson reminds me a bit of Trot Nixon in that he’s a great hitter as long as you have a solid bench bat to platoon him with against lefties.
I don’t see that on their roster right now, though.
Could Duvall be that platoon bat ?
Yes, that would be the plan
Nixon’s problem wasn’t so much the need for a platoon bat to compliment him… it was that they banned steroids during the peak of his career lol… his stats catered immediately after drug testing went into effect. Coincidence…? Haha I loved Nixon (and am a huge Sox fan) but I do think he was definitely a juicer lol.
I don’t think that works all that well. Just took a look at his splits and 2017 was the only year he hit left handed pitching particularly better than he did right handed pitching.
I used to be big into platoons but with four man benches its difficult to pull off these days. I guess the Dodgers are gonna get Pollock, but the issue is he’s hurt every year and averages 94 games per year.
I don’t like it. You got rid of two outfielders. Keep Joc.
Mante and Pollock upgrade over peterson also right handed hitter balancing
Jackson Pollock was an interesting painter. However, he has been dead for 60 years. Not sure how he is going to help the Dodgers….
Well said Larry. Too many fans clueless about that part of it.
Mr. Rosenthal, me thinks this is some fake news.
What? Why? The Sox better not even think of trading valuable prospects for Pederson, he’s a joke and a clown.
No, he is not. Probably better than 15 of the 25 players on the Sox.
Below average pull hitter with a $&!# attitude. Pass!
Man, the national sports media must REALLY hate Chicago. Not one positive article about the White Sox or Cubs this offseason in terms of what they should do to get better. How does Joc freaking Pederson help the Sox? Answer: he doesn’t. Just another dumb move pushed by no account sports “journalist” with a pro-LA/NY agenda.
You took the words right out my hand. Peterson is a bum. .241 vs righties…..we have enough of them already
He slashed .260/.338/.556 vs righties last year. We don’t have enough of those. I wouldn’t give up anything potentially special for him because I don’t think he’d be a big difference maker for the Sox, but he’d be a VERY welcome addition while we wait for the prospects to develop.
Why do you feel it’s necessary to call someone a bum that has made it to the major leagues? What have you done with your life that remotely comes close to what he has accomplished?
I’ll wait here for your answer………………
Yelsnit well said. He obviously has a lot of insecurities.
This would make sense for both the White Sox and Dodgers.
Chicago needs more offense from their outfield as well as a left-handed hitter with some pop and OBP skills. Joc Pederson can provide both as a semi-regular starter in an OF platoon in CF or RF. His two remaining years of arbitration eligible control also lines up nicely with the likely MLB debut of two White Sox top-100 prospects in #4 Luis Robert and #7 Blake Rutherford.
The Dodgers lineup would benefit with better balance in a swap of Pederson and the signing of A.J. Pollock who is also the better defensive player in CF. Of course, they would also receive a decent return from the White Sox in the form of prospects and/or someone who can help at the MLB level, perhaps a bullpen arm like Nate Jones.
I’m guessing that if Pederson becomes a White Sox and Pollock a Dodger, the likelihood of Bryce Harper landing with either team would further diminish.
Id take dane dunning and nate jones for pederson. God knows dodgers need arms for bullpen lol
I bet you would….Joc Peterson a Dodger bum. Why you think they wanna dump him….241 vs righties……that’s fugly
You can have Covey!
Yeah, no thanks. You can take Jones, but I definitely wouldn’t be giving up Dunning for Joc.
No way the White Sox surrender any of their 7 top-100 prospects for Joc Pederson. That would include #6 Dane Dunning. Trading Nate Jones for Pederson would probably require the White Sox to pony up a prospect in their 10-20 range.
Another potential deal could be a straight up swap of Pederson for Yolmer Sanchez provided the White Sox can lure Manny Machado to the South Side. Sanchez could provide the Dodgers with a versatile defense first option at 2B instead of them pursuing FA Josh Harrison who would provide more offensive upside.
Lmao yeah right sanchez stinks. Guaranteed your not getting a 2.7 war player for spare parts and 115 ops+ for a player in the white sox 10-20 range
Sanchez was a 2.6 WAR player in 2018, and a 3.5 WAR in 2017. Think & do your research before you speak, mindless. If Sanchez is in the deal it better be more than Petersen coming back.
Haha. You should probably look at their WARs before making mindless comments like that. Just a thought.
His war is based off defense not with the bat. Dodgers stuggled to score runs what would adding a .240 hitter with .300 obp no thanks
Probably shouldn’t just use WAR as your argument if that’s the point you’re trying to make. Oh yah, and he still managed to put up 2.0 oWAR in each of the last 2 seasons despite “stinking.”
Guaranteed your not getting a 2 fWAR (3 bWAR) player for spare parts and an elite defender for a player that can’t hit a left handed pitcher to save his life.
See how easy that was?
You can have Nate Jones, big NO on Dunning.
I dont think dodgers would get much in prospect return. Maybe some bullpen arms with upside and a nicky delmonico type guy.
They do have a history of finding uses for guys who look like AAAA players on other teams.
Your not get an mlb player with good fielding number ops 115 and war of almost 3 for nothing. White sox fans are delusional
If you want to use Fangraphs DEF rankings, they had Joc as a mediocre left fielder last year at best (also the least important defensive position in baseball), and they had him as an absolute disaster in centerfield in 2017. Out of the 64 players with at least 100 plate appearances, he was the 57th best defender.
He’s a platoon left fielder with 2 years of control. I’m not sure that’s as valuable as you think.
Trading Pederson to make room for Pollock is awful. But to make room for Harper is another story
You could not being anymore incorrect
Yawn. I have seen your comments before. Trying to make up fake reasons why Harper is not needed. Sound like an owner
That’s why you have 5 down votes? Stick to TAPS and other online baseball games because you obviously don’t know squat about the real game.
trading another OF could really go south for LAD if they don’t end up signing Harper.
The Sox likely are not doing anything next season, even with Machado, so why give up potentially good prospects for what appears to be a battery OF now (In the next 2-3 seasons the Sox OF will likely be a combination of Basabe, Rutherford, Adolfo, Robert, or Jimenez patrolling the OF anyway).
Also, if Pollack is so good, the Sox should just make a play for him instead of getting the Dodgers ‘seconds’ since they want Pollack and would move Pederson to do it
There’s a $12-15MM gap b/w their price tags.
Money is money, prospects can come back to bite you (see Fernando Tatis Jr, or Gio Gonzalez even..twice). Even Rick Hahn has said that, You overpay for a guy, worst is financial. You over pay with prospects and you could see those players coming back to haunt you.
1. I don’t think they’d have to give up anyone on their top 10.
2. Joc is a good player who can man CF. Regardless of whether or not they contend for the playoffs it’s good for the young guys development to be on a competent team that makes them compete for a spot once they come up. Engel in CF is basically conceding below-average production out of a lineup spot which is not something a competent team does.
If Narvaez straight up nettled a proven bullpen arm, I doubt Pederson would require a significant haul, especially if they want to unload him anyway.
A deal like Spencer Adams/jordon Guerrero/Carson Fulmer + AA/A+ outfielder not named Robert, Rutherford or Adolfo would get it done.
Sox suck and need to start getting better. A few small trade can make a lot of difference. Get 3 new outfielder that can hit and see what works out at least try. You need to try to get to 500 first.
CWS will lead the league in 4th and 5th outfielders…why bother trade for a guy making 5MM and cant hit left handed pitchers.
Pederson and Freese platoon would be legit.
Pederson in the OF against righties and Freese at 1b against lefties. That would probably equal .260 with 30 or more HR and 85 or more RBI
that’s a commitment to mediocrity. Dodgers need to think bigger than that to win a WS…
But I thought Willie May’s Hayes Jay was their LH, OF option savior?
I still can’t believe they gave Jay a guaranteed $4M. No wonder the Chisox are pathetic.
What verses Joc Pedersons $5MM bargain lol.
I don’t particularly like either of them, but he and Avi would’ve made a nice platoon in RF this year.
Avi on the Rays
I know. That’s why I said “would’ve” instead of would or could.
Maybe the talks about Abreu have re-initiated. If LA trades Joc to CWS for Abreu (not straight-up, obviously), LA could move Bellinger out to CF full-time, Abreu to 1B, & Abreu would fill the RH power bat LA’s been looking for. Abreu is also on the last yr. of his contract, which is something Friedman likes… CWS get a young, cost-controlled player & maybe another prospect, while also unloaded Abreu’s $16M contract, which gives them more room to go after Harper or Machado.
this doesn’t make sense. Who would play center if they moved bellinger off? He’s a first baseman as well. But wait you just brought in a 1st baseman. I’m confused.
Abreu would play 1B & Cody would play CF. Bellinger is mostly a 1st baseman, but he’s played a lot of games in the OF too. He played 81 games in CF last yr., incl. 50 starts. He’s a little raw in CF, but is a great athlete & has good range.
This makes some sense. The White Sox have and will continue to put a premium on Jose Abreu’s intangible value. The Dodgers could be one team that might pay for that value in addition to his big right-handed power bat as they try to win a World Series championship in 2019 instead of just making it to the classic as they have done the past two years.
Of course, in addition to Pederson the White Sox would want a significant prospect as well. perhaps one of the Dodgers top two catching prospects (more likely Will Smith) or former top pitching talent Julio Urias.
I can also envision a blockbuster deal between the clubs involving Abreu, a significant bullpen arm going to LA in the form of Nate Jones or Alex Colome, maybe a versatile utility player like Yolmer Sanchez and perhaps even catcher Wellington Castillo. The White Sox would then push for top Dodgers prospect Alex Verdugo along with an immediate replacement for Castillo in the form of defensive whiz Austin Barnes would could benefit a young pitching staff on the South Side of Chicago.
The Sox really don’t have to clear any current payroll to make room. They have room for both Machado AND Harper at $35M each.
Bellinger has stated he prefers CF over 1b. Also the Dodger’s have a guy named Muncy at 1b and Freese on the bench. So that wouldn’t work.
Must be close to Machado. I wonder if they’re going to sign Machado’s chef, lawyer, and insurance guy, next.
The Machado connection jokes are really getting beat into the ground.
I disagree.
I have no basis for this other than knowledge of the history between these two teams but, there is probably a third team involved, possibly the Reds. This is literally just blind speculation but it’s not like it’s stopped anyone else this offseason.
As a Dodgers fan I’d take a box or cracker jacks and a used tire for him. It’s excruciating to watch this guys every at bat. A complete guess hitter with no plan when he gets in the batters box. Except swing as hard as I can.
I have a feeling they’re trying to dump Pederson’s salary for a prospect or two for more farm system depth. Then they are gonna use the cap space they made to sign AJ and trade for JT Realmuto.
I agree. Going more right handed also makes plenty of sense in a possible play for Harper.
Agreed
A lot of bashing on Joc on these post. I would tend to think a lot of teams would want a 26 yr old CF that hit .248/.321/.522/.843 with 25 HRS with a 2.3 WAR for 2018. That has to be better than 2/3rds of the current CF’s in MLB at the moment even if he doesn’t play much against lefties. Also he’s in his prime and should improve.
That said without naming any potential players being sent back in return kind of makes it hard to have any opinion on a potential trade : P
Not bashing…just calling it like it is. He’s a platoon OFer making $5MM. That probably gets you a top 15-25 range prospect from the CWS and a bullpen arm.
Yeah, bashing. He is a good player, with a great attitude and Dodgers will be sorry to lose him, IMO.
Pederson may be a capable center fielder, a productive hitter, etc., but then you wonder why the Dodgers are prepared to unload him. And why would the Sox want to take on those deficiencies? I would argue, further, that being ” in his prime” is hardly convincing evidence that he “should improve.” Why not just make the obvious case? He’s appears to be an upgrade over Delmonico, Palka, and the departed Garcia.
They like someone else more?
Joc Pederson has a very similar resume to what Josh Reddick had at a comparable age, with the added ability to play CF rather than just RF. Just saying….
Another move that would fly in the face of Hahn’s 2 year claims that the club will only make moves witha long term winning strategy in mind.
Signing low cost flip candidates is one thing. Paying 8 figures and using prospect trade capital for a bunch of 2.5 WAR vets, none of whom are under team control past 2020, is the same short term thinking that got them in this mess.
Except they haven’t moved any valuable prospects yet, and they likely won’t have to for someone like Joc. Joc (and players like him) are nothing more than placeholders until some of Robert/Basabe/Rutherford/Adolfo/etc. are ready, which, coincidentally, should be in about 2 years. It’s almost like Hahn actually has a plan? Shocking. I know.
They don’t have to be “valuable” prospects for it to be a bad strategy.
Trading away prospects, any prospects, for 1 or 2 year placeholders, adds payroll and a few more wins, earning them nothing but lower draft picks, less $ to spend when it matters and fewer trade candidates that could be used to further bolster their minor league system.
They should use the prospects and $ when it matters. Not to be negligibly better when it doesn’t.
Unless, of course, playing “negligibly better” baseball rather than losing 100+ games every year helps players improve…
But hey, some people believe these guys are robots and are destined to be whatever they’ll eventually become no matter what situation they are put in. Others believe that if they’re put into better situations, it can have a positive effect on their development. I believe in the latter, and I’m willing to sacrifice a low ceiling prospect or 2 and a little bit of salary when money isn’t tight to find out. The only real loss is the potential draft pick, but with the Sox farm being where it is and the baseball draft being a total crapshoot, I’m ok taking the 7th pick instead of the 3rd pick if it gives everyone else a better chance to improve. If they were just starting from scratch with no important pieces on the roster like they were 2 years ago, I’d feel differently about that.
Of the 4 players u listed at least 1 will get heart or just fail. probable 2 really,
I know they weren’t impact players, but I honestly believe the Dodgers are really gonna regret trading Puig, and Pederson as well, if they trade him.
Please dont
Jace Fry for Joc?
No thanks. Fry has wayyy too much control to do that. He’s much more likely a part of the long term plan than someone like Joc.
dodgers want pollok, realmuto and harper
Ive always thought pederson needed everyday at-bats. He’s a streaky hitter but when he’s on, man, he hits everything in sight! Last year there was a good 2+ weeks run where he hit well over .600 with power. Still young, would fit chicago nicely.
Both average hitters (Pederson and Polluck). Polluck gets injured a lot. Neither of these two players will help Dodgers win 2019 WS
Nearly all of Polluck’s lost playing time has been on account of broken bones. Most players can go an entire career without breaking a bone even once. He’s managed it three times. That’s bad luck, not a chronic health issue. Without a doubt swapping out Pederson for Polluck would be a significant improvement to the Dodgers’ roster. It creates better balance and the added benefit of not having to work around Pederson’s ugly platoon splits. They aren’t going to avoid signing Polluck because he’s been unlucky, that’s for sure.
Good luck pushing that narrative to anyone in theindustry. A decade of injury history does not magically go away once a player hits his 30s and he has not been productive in the last 3 years even when healthy.
Everyone focuses on the way he plays makes him liable to break bones, therefore its a fluke and he will just play smarter, ie less aggressive, but they completely ignore his many problems with hamstring injurues, that do not go away, and cause more problems and injuries.
Maybe all these people thinking Pollocks injury history is just super bad luck for a decade should be begging for Matt Kemp while they are at it. Similar players except Kemps arguably better the last 3 years offensively and they both cant play a full season.
I’m not pushing any narratives, I am simply pointing out that bad luck is a real thing. Not something we should really have to debate since we are talking about a game built on the math of probabilities. The fact is, lots of players play aggressively and still never break a bone even once in their careers. Some have done it multiple times doing nothing more “aggressive” than swinging a bat. I’ve heard “can’t stay healthy” used to describe their predicaments too. Wrongly. Those aren’t chronic conditions, they are random. Not that it makes recovery any easier.
As far as hamstring injuries go, you might as well compile a list of the position players who have never had one. It would be a heck of a lot shorter than the list of those who have. This is probably the single most common injury in the game. They can nag and recur, as we know.
Kemp is another story but also one defined by bad luck. Two major in-game injuries right in the prime of his career set him back in ways from which he never fully recovered.
Kemp was a loafer too, which didn’t help.
I thought he was sneaker. So what do I know?
As an impatient White Sox fan, dealing for Joc Peterson is intriguing but finally not a big deal either way. Being the highest bidder for Machado is THE most important thing right now. A realistic offer would be Nate Jones, a guy like 2B Tate Blackman, and a pitcher like Spencer Adams. One wild card in Jones, two mid-level lottery tickets in Blackman & Adams for a platoon OF who isn’t as good defensively as so many on here are saying..
With Jones injury history, why do you feel he has trade value? He doesnt throw hard when on the DL.
To think these measly trade idea for 170 responses shows were desperate for real news.
What would the Bums get back?
I’m thinking a few of these AAA arms in Charlotte will be involved. Fulmer, Stephens, Adams, Guerrero, Medeiros, Bummer, Vieira, Ruiz, Burr.
a big NO on Dunning and Burdi…..
Oh god please don’t let this pan out. I named my dog after Joc when I was 10 or 11 and he’s been my favorite player in baseball since 2013 (saw him a lot in Spring Training). Don’t let him follow Manny and go to ChiTown.
LA has given away enough 25 HR outfielders this offseason. Let’s not add another to this list. Pederson is making relative beans and remains under club control for 2 more seasons. There is no reason to simply give him away for prospects that won’t help the team this year.
Until we know what Dodgers are asking in return, can’t make any sense of it. I would think it is a piece of more trades and transactions to come if Joc was to be traded.
It doesn’t make any immediate difference what the Dodgers get back for Pederson (the assumption is it’s prospects), if they sign Polluck. Then add Harrison, and trade (say) Barnes and Verdugo for Realmuto and we’re in serious business.
Yeah, Nate Jones makes perfect sense. Any deal that involves Carson Fulmer no problem either. Dunning is part of a future SP core trio with Cease/Lopez they will be relying on, especially if Kopech winds up being best suited as an excellent bullpen arm (BTW hopefully not the case). Don’t part with OF Luis Gonzalez either. Sox have some less touted potential gems like him and some pitchers that could very well be better than guys ranked higher on their prospect list. Trust the brass to be good at self-scouting, particularly for a stopgap guy like Pederson.
I believe it’s the $5MM that LA wants to rid themselves of and spend it in a different direction like the bullpen. They’d be wanting controllable prospects back of some form-even if they are 1-2 years away.
Pederson, Keibert Ruiz and Mitchell White for JT Realmuto.
How about Realmuto and Starlin Castro for Pederson, Smith, Lux and Barnes?
Love the trade idea. I think it’d work for both sides.
Dodgers would have done that weeks ago, as the only chip they would miss would be Lux (great young talent), but having Realmuto and Ruiz, Barnes and Smith have no place on the team, Pederson is a marginal talent at best. Dodgers would need to add in Verdugo or May to get the Marlins to consider that package.
Another overrated platoon player
Braves make a lot more sense than the White Sox. Their window of contention is opening, they have far more expendable talent and Pederson is a younger, cheaper and safer option than Markakis.
Bingo!
I like the idea of a Pederson platoon with Duvall. I would also use Pache, Riley, and Flowers to get JT Realmuto (probably have to thrown in a lottery arm too) Is this an overpay?
It’s an overpay, but unfortunately the fish are asking for more.
Trading Joc to open up space for a more expensive injury prone Pollock seems stupid.
The Dodgers lineup without Machado and Grandal appears vulnerable. Without these players plus Puig and Wood it will be difficult for them to repeat. Therefore it seems essential that they acquire Machado, Harper or Pollock (they need all three) at a mininum to match 2018. This require salary relief so undoubtedly they are trying to move part of the over $100M in rotation cost plus any other costly assets to free up the forty million required.
Could easily see the Dodgers trading Pederson and either Bailey, Ryu, or Hill to make payroll space for Machado, Harper or Pollock and maybe two of those. Young affordable pitching is what they need. Perhaps Ryu for Teheran or Bailey for Teheran or Hill and Pederson for Teheran or Soroka. This would bail out the Dodgers from their hopeless 2019 predicament.
Go research a different team. You’re clueless when it comes to the Dodgers!
Backatit..stick to your day job
Dude suggested Bailey for Teheran lol
I like how Teheran and Soroka have the same value.
And they don’t even have Bailey anymore!lol
Dodgers released Homer Bailey and no longer retain his rights. He is free to sign wherever he wishes…
Bailey was released , he is free agent looking for MLB contract will sign minor league deal. La will pay all except league min….
wow, just wow…
Ring him to Cincy .. we will be Dodgers east!
Braves make a lot of sense. Have a platoon with Duvall to make the most of both their value.
Stick with Pederson.
Joc Peterson for Giancarlo Stanton?
Honestly, I think the Dodgers are screwed….
They just lost long time contributers in Grandal, Puig, Wood, and now possibly Pederson. Turner is not going to be around much longer, same with Ryu, Cingrani, Maeda, and Hill…The championship window is closing and there is nothing being done, doesn’t look good.
What doesn’t look good is the Dodgers are going into their 6th-year without being on TV for more than 2/3 of Los Angeles. A whole generation of fans will continue to be lost…
Indians included
I hope the Braves don’t trade for Pederson. They need full-time starters, not platoon guys. I’d rather they bring back Markakis. At least he consistently got on base.
I disagree, with Joc and Duvall platooning right field, we would have gold glove quality defense at every position, except catcher.
Palka did not underwhelm. He showed a lot of promise, power, and exceeded expectations. He is one step away from an all-star berth.
I hope Palka does well, but I think he is a 1 tool player with a .6 WAR who is 27. The White Sox shouldn’t count him as an everyday outfielder. That being said he could be a decent DH.
Alonso is a better defensive player then Abreu.. So I could see a trade like this shaping up…
Abreau + Yolmer Sancherz for Pederson + Will Smith (AAA Catcher)
The Sox could put Eloy in LF, Pederson in CF, and Jay in RF and have an outfielder that isn’t the least productive in baseball.. Alonso plays 1st for the Sox and Palka shifts to DH. If Pederson shows growth and does better in a change of scenery he could become the teams everyday rightfielder in the log run.. If not he’s a great 4th outfielder if the other prospects pass him by.
Smith gives the Sox a Catcher with the defensive skills that Zavala and Collins lack.
The Dodgers get Jose Abreu who is a saavy aging power bat who fields well enough and comes off the books next year. He could push Muncy to LF and balance the teams lineup.
Yolmer is a great super utility player who is more valuable to the Dodgers then to a rebuilding Sox team (especially if they land Moncada).
I think the trade works out for both teams and is realistic.
Terrible deal.
Abreu should net a platoon player and catcher who may not stick at catcher (he’s played just as much at 3b which is telling), in his own. I wouldn’t even trade yolmer for Pederson straight up, considering he has an extra year of control, and they still don’t have a 3b.
Hope the Braves go hard after Starling Marte.
2018 None on 912 OPS, runners on 740, risp 648
2017 NON 750 OPS, RON 721, RISP 800
Both EJ & LR are expected to make the jump to the majors this year. His big jump in NON looks like a fluke because it had little effect on the higher stress ab’s. He’s likely to return to around 750 OPS in NON ab’s. If they need a guy like him
their window has yet to open.
WRT the Tigers, the CWS have 10 of the top 120 prospects in MLB. The TIgers are no where near that number. Their window is hammered down.
I really think that the reason the market is moving so slow is because of Machado and Harper. Once the 2 biggest fish sign, the other dominoes will fall. plus, owners are waiting out the market, waiting for the exorbitant prices of free agents to come down.
Why couldn’t we do another Dodgers and Reds deal. The Reds need a Centerfielder and Pederson would excel in GABP.
Pederson has a terrible swing. He looks like a lumberjack chopping wood.. And when he faces a leftie he looks dejected before even reaching the box. It sometimes looks like he can’t wait to strike out so he can go back to the dugout to jam more sesame seeds into his pie hole. He isn’t worth the one out of 20 ABs where he actually makes solid contact. If LA can get anything useful for him I would take it. Even better for them would be to trade him to a rival. So LA could benefit from his easy out.
Pederson has been traded to the White Sox for Carson Fulmer Aaron Bummer and a third level prospect – will be announced tomorrow