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East Notes: Harper, Cespedes, O’s, Perez, Yankees, Tulo

By Mark Polishuk | January 2, 2019 at 1:48pm CDT

Bryce Harper and agent Scott Boras had a five-hour meeting with Nationals owner Ted Lerner on December 22, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post reports.  Sources from within the team declined to confirm that such a meeting took place, which Janes describes as “a departure from their relative openness about their status with Harper this winter.”  One possibility is that Lerner held the meeting without informing anyone else in the organization, which Janes notes “has happened before,” though it could be that the front office is keeping quiet on details either as a gamesmanship tactic (to drive up Harper’s price for other teams), or because an ardent pursuit of the free agent outfielder is underway.

This is the latest twist in the perhaps-ongoing courtship between Harper and the Nats, as ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reported earlier today that Harper had had “multiple” meetings with team representatives.  Boras and Lerner have a longstanding professional relationship that has resulted in several high-profile Boras Corporation clients (i.e. Stephen Strasburg, Max Scherzer) sign extensions or free agent deals with Washington.  Boras has also often bypassed general managers to negotiate directly with ownership in some particularly major contracts, and he has signaled this intent in regards to Harper’s market this offseason.

Some more from around both the NL East and AL East…

  • There had already been some indication that the Mets weren’t expecting Yoenis Cespedes to play in 2019 as the outfielder recovers from a pair of heel surgeries, and special assistant Omar Minaya reiterated as much in an interview on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (hat tip to MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo).  “If [Cespedes] gives us anything this year, that is great, we’re happy for that,” Minaya said.  Cespedes’ first procedure in late July carried a rough timeline of eight-to-ten months before a return to baseball activities, and no update to that timetable was made after Cespedes underwent his second surgery in late October.  Cespedes has long been plagued by a variety of lower-body injuries, and since signing a four-year, $110MM deal with the Mets prior to the 2017 season, the outfielder has played in just 119 games.  As it stands, New York’s starting outfield consists of Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo in the corners, Juan Lagares in center field, and the newly-acquired Rajai Davis as the fourth outfielder.  The Mets have been linked to other outfielders on the rumor mill, however, so it is quite possible more changes could come before Opening Day.
  • The Orioles have hired Koby Perez as the team’s new Senior Director of international scouting, as per a team press release.  The 40-year-old Perez spent the last three seasons as the Indians’ director of Latin American scouting, his most recent stop in a career that has spanned 12 seasons and included roles as a crosschecker and scout with Cleveland, Philadelphia, and St. Louis (Perez and Orioles GM Mike Elias both worked as scouts in the Cardinals’ organization for two years).  Under his new title, as per the press release, “Perez will oversee all aspects of the Orioles’ international scouting operations and management of the club’s bonus pool.”  The Orioles have been notoriously indifferent to the international market for years, though this focus began to change even prior to Elias’ hiring, as Baltimore made a strong attempt to sign both the Mesa brothers and Sandy Gaston this fall.  Going forward, it certainly seems as if the O’s will now be as aggressive and thorough in locating and signing international prospects as any club in the sport.
  • The Yankees’ signing of Troy Tulowitzki doesn’t mean the team is out on Manny Machado by any means, Joel Sherman of the New York Post opines as part of a seven-tweet thread (all linked here).  That said, the Yankees wouldn’t publicize being out of the Machado sweepstakes anyway, as such a statement would violate Collective Bargaining Agreement rules about teams weighing in on free agents.  It also makes strategic sense for the Yankees to at least appear to still be in on Machado, if for no other reason than to force rival teams to spend more to sign him.  If Machado indeed doesn’t land in New York, Sherman feels the Yankees could address their infield needs by signing a player like Neil Walker or Adeiny Hechavarria to provide short-term help until Didi Gregorius is able to return.  Sherman suggests that infield help could also be found as part of a Sonny Gray trade package.
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  1. Juggy

    6 years ago

    Trade bait sorry Tolowitzki

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    • Yelsnit

      6 years ago

      Why would someone trade for Tulo when they could have had him for the league minimum?

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      • Adam6710

        6 years ago

        There is SOME logic to this: sign him for league minimum, and if he ends up healthy and doing well, trade him at the deadline for a team desperate for offense.

        That said, if he was healthy and hitting well, and the Yankees were contending as expected, they likely wouldn’t trade him, even if Didi comes back.

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        • Yelsnit

          6 years ago

          I agree with that. I just don’t understand why the Yankees would sign him with the intention of using him for trade bait. If someone wanted him they could have had him without trading away player(s). Wasn’t bashing, I was just trying to understand his post.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          6 years ago

          “He had offers from 15 teams” per Dan O’Dowd and Joel Sherman MLB Network and he chose the Yankees.

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        • stansfield123

          6 years ago

          Several teams wanted him. He picked the Yankees.

          As for trading him, I think the full no trade rights he has in his contract with the Blue Jays still apply. There’s no reason why they wouldn’t, he is bound by that contract, so the benefits of it should be valid too.

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        • Adam6710

          6 years ago

          @Yelsnit. They absolutely wouldn’t. They’re signing him in the hopes of squeezing 2-3 months of whatever useful skill and health he may have left in the tank.

          If he has a disastrous spring, they can cut him.

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        • Metfan1964

          6 years ago

          Very easy as to why- They will sign Machado to play 3b- Tulo is a cheap pickup to cover SS until Didi comes back. very smart move by the Yankees.

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          This signing was his choice, and he chose the Yankees. If you weren’t his choice, the only way to acquire him is by trade.

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          The Blue Jays bought out his contract. It no longer applies in any way.

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        • phenomenalajs

          6 years ago

          I don’t think it works that way in MLB. Toronto did not buy him out. The Jays are responsible for the balance of his contract minus the league minimum that his new team would pay him. He would get paid on the normal schedule he would’ve been paid if he were still on the team except the amount is adjusted to remove the veteran’s minimum. The only ways Toronto could pay him less are if he were to be suspended without pay (i.e., game or off-the-field misconduct/failed drug test) or if he were to commit a crime that triggers breach of his contract. The Jays made a calculated decision that they wouldn’t be able to trade him or get sufficient value from him taking up the roster spot. His contract is a major league contract (both with Jays and Yankees) so he’d have to be kept on the active 25-man roster outside of DL or DL-related rehab time.

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        • sambito3510

          6 years ago

          The money owed by TOR is only the remaining guaranteed money. The NTC does not take effect in the new contract unless it was agreed upon by the Yankees and Tulo

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        • Dodgethis

          6 years ago

          I’m fairly certain the orignial contract is still valid, including trade protections and options. Unless I’m wrong (totally possible) when a player is cut , he is still technically under MLB contract. The signing for the minimum is deducted from the original contract, which is still valid. It’s why the giants and Pablo Sandoval are exercising options, even though it’s for the minimum.

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      • treday

        6 years ago

        I think he’s saying that Tulo doesn’t figure into their big picture plans; he clearly doesn’t impede them from signing Machado, and if Tulo comes back and restablishes some value (and can stay healthy), he might be a sneaky trade candidate at the deadline

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          6 years ago

          If he’s healthy and contributing, and they’re paying him league minimum why would they trade him?

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        • Metfan1964

          6 years ago

          if he is contributing they will keep him, you have no idea how Didi will perform once he returns. Worse case Tulo , if performing well adds a bat if not you dump him.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          6 years ago

          What value? Why would anybody give up anything of significance to take a gamble on a guy that has barely played. Even if he’s healthy at said point the only guarantee is the salary they’d owe him. The rationale fits now, because hey why not zero risk potential reward. At that point he provides more to the Yanks than what he’s going to get back, unless you’re actively looking for a 40 man filler or 26 year old A- guy.

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      • Juggy

        6 years ago

        It was his choice

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        • infield fly 2

          6 years ago

          If Tulo chose the Yankees, it just shows that he knows he is no longer an everyday player.

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        • shysterguy

          6 years ago

          Wasn’t Tulowitzki a Yankee fan growing up? If I remember correctly, he used to keep a Jeter baseball card in his back pocket when he took the field every day?

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      • Vedder80

        6 years ago

        Because he chose to sign with someone else for the league minimum.

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      • jimbenwal

        6 years ago

        Injuries happen. Players don’t play well. Things happen. Maybe a team wasn’t interested in giving him playing time to see how healthy he is, but if he reestablishes himself with the Yankees he could be valuable to a team that develops a need.

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      • newyorkyankee7

        6 years ago

        Because he now belongs to Yanks and if they want him they will have to trade. Things change , injuries team needs change so we will see if he lasts the year with Yanks!

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      • Dkaner

        6 years ago

        I think he’s a short term fix until DIDI comes back and IF he actually does well, yes, he can be flipped for a prospect but there’s no doubt they picked him up for a short term fix at SS. I think Machado is a waste of team resources and they already blew huge amounts of money on Stanton so if they sign Machado, Cashman should be fired. He’s pitching staff is no better than 5th in the AL so WTF?

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        • costanza

          6 years ago

          The AAV of the Stanton contract is $25m. Do you really think that is a huge amount of money for an MVP caliber player? Player salaries rise every year, and all of these young stars will be getting superstar money when they hit the market over the next few years. Stanton’s contract will look like chump change in comparison.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          Other than the Indians, name me an AL 5 man rotation that’s better than the Yanks. And I don’t want to hear about prospects. A prospect may or may not perform.

          Keep in mind. In all of mlb last year only 45 pitchers had a WAR of 2.5 or better. Currently, 23 of them are scheduled to pitch in the AL:. Yanks have 5 of them. What AL team, aside from the Indians, are as deep 1 thru 5?

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          Guess the Yanks will win last years WS then.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          What does that have to do with him saying that 4 other teams have a better rotation? Also, imo, if you’re good enough to win 100 games then you’re good enough to win a WS. Astros had two of the best and yet they didn’t win either?

          You have any worthwhile comments to add fam?

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Southbeach, the problem with the Yankee’s starting rotation is not their ability, but their ability to pitch enough innings to make a difference is a problem. Tanaka, C.C., and Paxton have had health issues each year. Severino pitched the most innings for the Yankees 191 1/3 innings. Cleveland had 4 pitchers pitch more innings than Severino as Kluber (215), Carrasco (192), Clevinger (200) and Bieber (194 1/3) between the minors and Cleveland. You also have to consider those innings not pitched by your starting 5 as well. That is the concern that the Yankees have, not their ability.

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    • iverbure

      6 years ago

      What?

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    • mehs

      6 years ago

      Yankees can’t trade him without his permission until June 15. If he took a minimum salary to go to the Yankees why would he waive his no trade rights.

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  2. basebaIl1600

    6 years ago

    “infield help could also be found as part of a Sonny Gray package” ROFLMAO

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    • Adam6710

      6 years ago

      I love how users here think they know better than people who talk to team execs and have been covering baseball for 30 years.

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      • Dodgethis

        6 years ago

        And most of those team executives are complete failures. What’s your point?

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    • acarneglia

      6 years ago

      Teams want Gray. Cincy, Milwaukee, and San Diego have all been linked to him throughout the offseason

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        6 years ago

        There’s been mentions of at least ten teams in many articles.

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      • wrigleywannabe

        6 years ago

        Linked lol..okay.

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      • thebighurt619

        6 years ago

        But don’t value gray as much as the Yankees do.

        Best the padres would offer is Jose pirela and Bryan Mitchell. Or a low end prospect like Owen Miller.

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        • Slevin

          6 years ago

          “Best the Padres would offer” that is of course you as a Padres fan hoping, and guessing about all that. Unless you work for the Padres than this posting would be considered tampering.

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        • juicemane

          6 years ago

          We just got Mitchell from the Yankees last offseason…

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        • thebighurt619

          6 years ago

          Cause 1 year 9 mill for a back end guy screams decent prospect. You got me. Clearly need a phd baseball degree to know what sonny Gray is worth, not like the market was set when the reds acquired 1 year of a better pitcher in tanner Roark for less than what Yankees seem to think they’ll get. I’d love to see you say what you think gray is worth. But you don’t have the balls or spine to do so. I don’t blame you slevin. It’s your parents fault they raised a coward.

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          And that’s why the Padres are the definition of a last place team. It makes sense to try and lowball the Yankees when you can but Gray was an All star in Oakland and is still young

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        • Dan_Oz

          6 years ago

          Wow that kinda escalated

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        • Slevin

          6 years ago

          Somebody tell this guy our opinions don’t effect MLB transactions. Yea I know it’s obvious to 99.9% of us.

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        • thebighurt619

          6 years ago

          Chickened out. Knew it.

          Yeah a site that literally has a contest projecting where players wind up and projected arbitration and free agent contracts clearly is the wrong place to discuss trading players and what theyre worth. You just keep nailing it slevin. Making your parents proud.

          Hey your submission to the free agent contest slevin. Worthless and a waste of time just like you by your own logic.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          6 years ago

          Why do some of you people have to lower these boards with childish insults. thebighurt619 that was unwarranted…

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          You have NO idea how the Padres or any other team, values Gray. We just saw Lynn get signed for 3/$30 and his numbers were similar to Gray. I mean the Padres just signed Garrett Richards to a 2/$15 mil deal and he’s thrown all of 150 IP since 2015. That’s 50 IP in the last 3 years and you think they wouldn’t value Gray, with his peripherals, more than Mitchell and a low level prospect? Get real. Cash is not expecting a top 100 prospect or a full-time everyday MLB player in return but this isn’t a salary dump. He will get something he values. He did it when he acquired Didi. Hicks and Voit too.

          If 10 teams are said to be in the mix I guarantee you they all most likely understand better than you his value.

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        • Houston We Have A Solution

          6 years ago

          Garrett Richards cost the padres nothing but $$. No prospects no draft picks. Easily becomes trade bait in 2020, similar to the Eovaldi situation in Tampa. Signing a guy, keeping your prospects, and draft picks is ideal.

          Lance Lynn cost the rangers nothing but $$$.

          Padres aren’t going to trade decent prospects just to pay gray market value for 1 year.

          If the padres wind up trading for gray they do so with the intent of looking to get a better prospect than they gave up banking on gray pitching like he did in oakland.

          Padres can always wait to sign gray after 2019 too and keep their prospects. Doubt Yankees QO gray.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          You’re acting as if money isn’t an issue for the Padres and most other teams in baseball.

          First off, none of us know what Cashman is looking for. Something of values is subjective. I seriously doubt he’s demanding a top 100 prospect.

          I’ll say it again. The Twins valued Aaron Hicks so much that they traded him for JR Murphy. The Dbacks valued Didi so much that they traded him for Shane Green. The Cardials valued Voit so much that they traded him for Chasen Shreve and a minor league bullpen guy. The Yanks did their analytics and valued all 3 of those guys more than their former teams did. Those 3 guys were worth about 10 WAR for 4 guys barely in the majors. None of the guys we traded them for were prospects at the time. Expand your mind in terms of “value”. It doesn’t mean top prospects.

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        • Houston We Have A Solution

          6 years ago

          Cashman isnt going to take just anything for gray. He paid a decent package in Mateo kaprellian and Fowler (check spelling on the 2nd guy).

          He’s not gonna get value of what he gave up, but he’s certainly not gonna take significantly below what he gave up.

          Anything in the padres top 20 isn’t worth trading away for 1 year of gray. 6 years of control for 1 year of gray isnt worth it.

          If they like gray saving the prospect and pushing to sign him after 2019 is the route to go.

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        • DarthDbacks

          6 years ago

          South beach, Technically Dbacks got Robbie Ray for Didi, but agree with everything else.

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        • mehs

          6 years ago

          He should expect significantly less than he gave up. He traded for a player with 2 1/2 years of control and now is offering a player with only 1 year of control left whose numbers have declined. At best he should get 40% off what he traded away to get Gray based on the 60% of the control being used up.

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      • kbarr888

        6 years ago

        Teams might want him…. but they want him at a discounted price…. because he has shown absolutely nothing spectacular
        The Yankees overpaid to get him and now they’re trying to bail out on their mistake.
        Good luck getting anything decent in return for him.

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        • stratcrowder

          6 years ago

          His away splits are well above league average, and he does have a prior track record.

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        • posterizer

          6 years ago

          They “overpaid” for him? Where are the players traded for him right now. Dumb statement.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Where the players are now is irrelevant. I don’t think they necessarily “overpaid” for him but they did give up a fairly strong package for him. The shine has wore off those guys but at the time it was a considerable package. They won’t get anything like that package back

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        • ctguy

          6 years ago

          “overpaid” for him. That is an idiotic statement.

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          They won’t get that kind of package but they won’t sell him for Garbage either he still was a number one in Oakland and is still in his prime. Teams want him but are trying to get him as cheaply as possible.

          Cashman doesn’t have to move him. The first big injury in March changes everything. If he’s smart Cashman knows this and lets teams come to him and doesn’t rush

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        • Horace

          6 years ago

          It wasn’t a strong package. . Kaprelian hadn’t pitched in a year, now it’s two years. Mateo had stalled and Fowler, who wrecked his knee, posted a .628 ops before being sent back to AAA.

          Beane was hoping high risk, high reward. He got the first part right.

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        • hojostache

          6 years ago

          Arguing that Gray WAS a #1 on OAK and he IS still in his prime, is uhm….generous. He may or may not even be worth $9m for this year, therefore teams trying to get him cheap makes sense.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          It may not take much to get something of value greater than the prospects they traded and it’s silly to even think of it that way.

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      • Vedder80

        6 years ago

        They want him because he is a buy low option with upside. That means if the price isn’t low, they don’t want him anymore.

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  3. Empire Exoticz

    6 years ago

    Yankees left side defense looking bad right now.

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    • shortytallz

      6 years ago

      Tulo sucks at defense?

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      • Alfred E Neuman

        6 years ago

        Are you asking us or telling us?

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        • shortytallz

          6 years ago

          Question marks are fairly selfexplanatory

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          6 years ago

          Adding a question mark to a statement doesn’t make it a question. So were you asking us or telling us?

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    • clepto

      6 years ago

      Congratulations on your recent promotion to MLB scout.

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      • Empire Exoticz

        6 years ago

        Thanks, I always think people like you need help seeing the obvious.

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        • clepto

          6 years ago

          Based on ratio of downvotes you received, I disagree, and the evidence supports my statement. Have a very blessed day.

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    • Adam6710

      6 years ago

      You’re right, because right now they have no shortstop.

      Given this is a league minimum signing, it’s essentially a minor league deal: Tulo will have to prove he can still hit and provide solid defense before they give him the starting job.

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      • Empire Exoticz

        6 years ago

        Yes, but one of the things I read was, that he wanted a place that would give him plenty of playing time at SS

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        • Yankeepatriot

          6 years ago

          He’s willing to play first base

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Why would someone give you a thumbs down.

          You’re exactly right. Tulo was not going to sign with a team that was not willing to allow him to play short.

          Are people in denial.

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        • Empire Exoticz

          6 years ago

          Don’t care about the thumps thing.

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        • Adam6710

          6 years ago

          That’s great that he wanted that, but there are absolutely no guarantees he gets “plenty of playing time” with the Yankees.

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        • Metfan1964

          6 years ago

          Tulo will have as long as Didi is out. The real question is when will they announce Machado as their 3bman?

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          Except Tulo according to his former G M has always wanted to be a yankee. So he signed where he wanted to be. Dan O’Dowd said he turned down two starting jobs to sign there

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          No you are in denial., Tulo said he’s willing to play any position ON THE YANKEES.

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          dBj82, you read wrong. That was for the BLUE JAYS once he was released he said he was willing to play Any Position. He felt disrespected by Jays Management

          Russell Martin feels the same according to blue jays insiders since they’ve given his job away

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        • Empire Exoticz

          6 years ago

          Got it

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          Unless they gave him one to get him to sign.

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      • wrigleywannabe

        6 years ago

        No, it’s not essentially any thing.

        It’s a big league deal

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        • Adam6710

          6 years ago

          Maybe think for two seconds about what I said: at league minimum he can be cut if he doesn’t perform, essentially making this the same impact/usefulness as a minor league signing, with the only difference being they have to clear 40-man roster space for him.

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        • Empire Exoticz

          6 years ago

          Yes you are write, it’s just the signing left me a bit confused of thier plans. He is basically a lottery Ticket, they still need a SS and an utility player. I guess if he doesn’t do good in ST, they cut him.

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    • southbeachbully

      6 years ago

      I seriously doubt they wont have a competent backup. I could see them still adding a glove first SS and that’s all they really need.

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  4. Daver520

    6 years ago

    NOBODY opines like Joel Sherman … he’s a Pro !

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  5. stansfield123

    6 years ago

    Why don’t the Mets try to sign Harper? They’re in the biggest market on the planet, so it’s not that they can’t afford him.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      6 years ago

      They have a budget they are sticking to. Otherwise I’m surprised they aren’t trying as well

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    • hojostache

      6 years ago

      Their ownership functions like a small market team. Don’t be fooled w them taking on Cano’s contract….that was all about not increasing payroll this year, pretending they are spending $$, and kicking the can down the road. This approach further ties their hands when they try (or don’t) to re-sign deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, and/or Conforto. Harper would be the perfect FA for them…if they could spend the $. Machado also could work (and they try Rosario in CF).

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    • phenomenalajs

      6 years ago

      There are a number of reasons. First, they’ve been burned by injuries to players on high-priced, long-term contracts several times in the past decade (i.e., Bay, Wright, Cespedes (at least so far). Second, though their financial health is improving, they have never come clean about how badly they were hurt by Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme. Third, they just took on four of the remaining years of Cano’s contract (Seattle basically paid for one to 1.5 years with $20M + the contracts for Bruce and Swarzak) while they still have Cespedes, Wright (minus insurance payment, though I’m not sure that affects the payroll with respect to luxury tax limits or sharing with smaller market teams), Frazier, Vargas, and Lagares as veteran contracts on the books. Fourth, I believe deGrom will get $13M-$15M in arbitration, Thor will get about $6M, d’Arnaud and Wheeler will get about $3M-$4M each, etc. Fifth, they just signed Ramos and Familia to $10M AAV contracts.

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    • rct 2

      6 years ago

      Because he’s overrated. He turned down 10 years and $300 million from the Nationals. At that price, you’d want consistent greatness (~5+ WAR a season for at least the first 6 or so years). Harper is just as likely to put up a 6-10 WAR season as he is a 2 WAR season.

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      • Empire Exoticz

        6 years ago

        It was actually worth 284mm

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  6. Yankeepatriot

    6 years ago

    The cubs have 60 million coming off the books after 2019. Imo they should go for Harper and pay the luxury tax for next season. It’s not like it would be a ton

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    • Vedder80

      6 years ago

      What do they do when they have to pay the young guys, like perhaps Judge, when they already have $60mil/year allocated to Stanton and Harper then?

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      • Yankeepatriot

        6 years ago

        I’m pretty sure cashman has planned ahead for that

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      • sam 17

        6 years ago

        With over $600 million in revenue (and growing) they can well afford a $300 million plus salary now, not to mention in 3/4/5 years from now.

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      • southbeachbully

        6 years ago

        He said “Cubs”.

        As far as money goes, the Yanks can afford it if they want too. What’s the value of winning a WS?

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  7. stretch123

    6 years ago

    Tulo would make a great DH if Machado is signed, once Didi returns.

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  8. CalcetinesBlancos

    6 years ago

    It’s so weird to me how many GM’s make dumb moves (like signing Cespedes to a long deal) that even casual baseball fans would realize are dumb moves.

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    • turner9

      6 years ago

      Its not if you think about the entire system.

      1. No one can see the future. You must use the previous information to formulate a future prediction. And Cespedes wasnt a bad ball player at one point.

      2. Its high priced musical chairs. If you dont act relatively quickly (aside from last year) a player you covet may very well sign with a rival, plus the quality of players remaining may drop off significantly.

      3. The overwhelming majority of all front offices never last the length of mega contracts or long term 4,5,6 year deals and they are well aware of that. It allows for a gamblers mentality, You know youre likely out sooner rather then later so you take your best shots that present themselves

      4. Its not their money they spend. Yes they have budgets and constraints. But im sure the savey business men they are, they budget for a bad contract. Every business owner knows there could very well be down years and slow times. Expecting zero theft in a warehouse or no damages at a grocery store or no defective equipment at an electronic retailer or every plot of land on a farm to grow max yeild is naive

      5 The money they do make in 1 year will provide for them and their family for their life and maybe their childrens children if they stay in the league for a 2nd contract (barring addictions or massive stupidity)

      Wheres the consequence for the average GM to fail. You get fired? You still get paid 7 figures and get to go home with your family? Then you get to interview every offseason because youre part of an exclusive club few will ever join.

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      • rct 2

        6 years ago

        You could also mention that many contracts are insured for injury. I doubt the Mets are shelling out the entirety of that contract.

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    • Willy Mays

      6 years ago

      At the time very few fans viewed it as a terrible deal. Cespedes is a player who almost single-handedly got the Mets to the World Series.The far worse move the Mets made was letting Murphy walk and replacing him with Walker. Also as people have pointed out Cespedes’s contract is insured so the Mets only pay about 20 percent if hes injured for the whole year.Last year the Mets were willing to claim a 160 Million dollar payroll while not paying more than 40 million dollars with Wrights and Cespedes’s contracts

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  9. wrigleywannabe

    6 years ago

    This drive up the price stuff is silly.

    I can’t sign with you, a mystery team is offering more.

    Who?

    I can’t tell you.

    Fune. Sign with them.

    But, I want to play here.

    It’s like the whole stupid crap when a girl tells a guy she knows someone who likes him, just to find out who he likes.

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  10. yukongold

    6 years ago

    With future hall of famers at 2nd and 3rd, Tulo should only play SS.

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    • srechter

      6 years ago

      Haha?

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    • Willy Mays

      6 years ago

      I’ma Yankee fan and that’s really funny. Surprised you didn’t include both Bird and Voit at first.

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  11. Rich Hill’s Elbow

    6 years ago

    Regardless of the dollar amount, if you’re Harper, which team would you rather sign with?? Phillies, Cubs, Dodgers, or Nats???

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    • astromariner

      6 years ago

      Astros.

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        As a city, Houston would not be my first choice.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      The Phillies would easily be last seeing as they have the worst odds to make it in October. However they have the most freed up cash. The Nats are set to lose Rendon and Doolittle next year. The cubs have an older declining pitching staff. The team with the best long term outlook out of that bunch is probably the Dodgers who have the prospects in the minors to sustain winning and/or make the team stronger after signing Bryce. But the money could be right in Philly or CWS.

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    • dust44

      6 years ago

      Out of those 4 the Dodgers give u the best chance at a ring. If I’m Harper or Machado I’m looking for wins and rings. Not 500 million from a team 3-5 years from being a contender. Because until u actually contend ur a pretender. (Phillies)

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        If you are looking for rings, out of those four teams, that’s a really tough choice.

        It’s hard to get rings. Whatever team you pick, I bet you are wrong. The Dodgers haven’t won a ring since 1988. The Nationals, never. The Cubs have one ring in 100 years.

        The Yankees have one ring this century, and only because A-Rod cheated.

        Rings are hard. I’d sign with who I want to play for.

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          I d sign with the Yankees or Dodgers. They compete every year not the Phillies, who like the white Sox only compete once in a generation

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        • Duke Carrell

          6 years ago

          Macnuts, typical Yankee hate. One series this century but 26 in the previous. Out of the teams listed, which won 100 games last season?

          So in 2009, Jeter, Posada. Rivera and Pettite had no bearing on the ring? Tex, Swish, CC, Matsui, Damon, Cano? Yeah, no contributions.

          And, the Yanks were not even on the list from the original question.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      Is there a fifth choice?

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    • stymeedone

      6 years ago

      You forgot the WhiteSox.

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  12. Nebraska Tim

    6 years ago

    Blue Jays are paying Tulo $38 million to be a negative WAR player for the Yankees this year…

    Assuming he plays enough games to “contribute” – dude’s made of glass.

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  13. ffjsisk

    6 years ago

    Why wouldn’t a team like the White Sox, Phillies, or Braves offer Harper 10/325 with 200 in the first 5 years? Back end would be 5/125, that’s pretty reasonable for age 30-35. Those teams could afford their own players when they get to FA or even prior to via extension with a deal structured like that.

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    • endtheDH

      6 years ago

      It’s financially better to backload a contract regardless of when you think the player will produce the most

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      • ffjsisk

        6 years ago

        I’d agree if there was an opt out, but if I were a GM, I’d offer 10/325 with no opt out or NTC, front loaded. On the back end that contract would still be movable more than likely and you’d pay the premium price for the premium years. That’s just being fiscally responsible.

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  14. baseballhobo

    6 years ago

    I wonder how many Yankee players share Babe Ruth’s affection for hookers?

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    • shortytallz

      6 years ago

      Everybody loves hookerz. They give you sex for money then leave and shut up about it.

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  15. Best ‘ger ever

    6 years ago

    In other news ocean is blue.

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  16. mistry gm

    6 years ago

    The “Nationals” comments were reported by the Washington Post so I put NO faith in it at all.

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    • LGerber

      6 years ago

      Chelsea Janes has some good sources and was first to announce Corbin to Nats.

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  17. Bruin1012

    6 years ago

    If the Nationals do in fact sign Harper and he goes back to the Nats what does that mean for Robles? Do the Nats use him in a package to get Kluber? Pure speculation on my part but that would be some kind of Rotation easily the best in baseball on paper.

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    • LGerber

      6 years ago

      They would look to trade Adam Eaton to reduce payroll.

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  18. 8Yaz

    6 years ago

    Ny taking a league min. flier on Tulo has no downside,if productive, with tempered expectations, turn it into prospects at the deadline if Didi returns ok. Wonder if they would shift Torres over to ss,and Tulo to second? Any talk of that yet?

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  19. Rickeo02

    6 years ago

    Hey Machado please sign with the Yankees

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  20. Randia

    6 years ago

    If Manny is smart Rickeo, he will. Especially if his other choices Are the white Sox or Phillies who finished a combined 138-186. Why waste his career playing for perennial losers. Didn’t he have enough of that in Baltimore

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    • ChiSoxCity

      6 years ago

      Yeah cuz the White Sox will lose 100 games with them on the roster. Give a rest with this shallow, delusional thinking already.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Machado was apart of a lot of winning teams in Baltimore. He could’ve done a lot worse.

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  21. ullnvrknw

    6 years ago

    Sonny Gray,Andujar for Hampson and Jon Gray. All day everyday. They get a 2nd base leadoff hitter with 40 sb potential and a .400 obp minor league track record. Also, a pitcher with ACE stuff. Great trade for yanks

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    • Yankeepatriot

      6 years ago

      We have Torres for second base already

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      • ullnvrknw

        6 years ago

        Torres fills in at SS and moves over to third when dd returns

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        • ullnvrknw

          6 years ago

          2020 we sign arenado for 3b, say goodbye to didi, Torres is the SS. Sign Harper

          2020 lineup…..

          C: Sanchez
          1b: Gallo
          2b: Hampson
          3b: Arenado
          Ss: Torres
          Of: Harper
          Of: Judge
          Of: Florial

          SP: Severino
          SP: Paxton
          SP: Gray
          SP: Tanaka
          SP: Happ

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        • ullnvrknw

          6 years ago

          Btw: Stanton part of trade for Gallo

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        • ullnvrknw

          6 years ago

          Also trade Chance Adams to Baltimore for catcher Chance Sisco. You can move him to catcher in 2020 and Sanchez to DH.

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  22. national pastime

    6 years ago

    He replaces Neil Walker who was paid 4 million last year for 1/8 of the cost. Really easy.

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    • Empire Exoticz

      6 years ago

      Didn’t walker play 1b and the Of? I don’t think Tulo can

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    • costanza

      6 years ago

      Eh, not really. Tulo has no ML experience at 1b, 2b, or 3b, though he could probably handle the positions if he absolutely had to. Walker is also a switch hitter with little injury history, and I think is a far more valuable bench piece. You’re right about the price difference, but as they say, you get what you pay for. It would be great if Tulo can end up producing while playing a few different positions, but I wouldn’t say it can be counted on.

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  23. Papabueno

    6 years ago

    Given that:
    1. Lerner already went on the record saying they don’t expect Harper to return.
    2. The Nats have been over the luxury tax two years in a row. Adding a 3rd year would get very expensive.
    3. The Nats have stated that they do not intend to exceed the luxury tax threshold again in 2019.
    4. The Nats already went full speed ahead adding Corbin, Sanchez, Rosenthal, and Suzuki in FA (plus trades for Barraclough and Gomes).
    My guess is this “meeting” was more about helping Boras stir the pot with other teams.
    JMMO

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    • basquiat

      6 years ago

      Chelsea doesn’t say if Mark Lerner was in the meeting which seems to indicate he was not. Mark runs the club now so it looks like Boras made an end run to Ted. That’s worrisome..

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  24. Matthew De Lorge

    6 years ago

    Harper going back to the Nats after saying no to their money initially would be looked at poorly on Harper. Given these divas have such inflated egos I doubt Harper goes back even if that 10/300 is still on the table and is the highest offer.

    Harper will go down as the worst long term deal in recent memory if he gets 10-12 years. Guy will break down after 30. Besides, if it’s true that his defensive metrics went down due to not wanting to risk injury going into free agency, would you want a player that likely cost his team games because of his selfishness not to dive or go hard after a ball in fear of injury?

    Harper has put up ONE season worthy of big money, and he didn’t even get to 100 RBI. His swing is not one that will age well, nor will how he plays when he isn’t saving himself.

    I’d rather have Stanton for the next 10 years at his reduced cost. Cashman was smart to bypass Harper by getting him. On a down year the guy still put up numbers Harper would be jealous of.

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  25. Cardinals17

    6 years ago

    The sleeper team for Harper is the St. Louis Cardinals. Boras has a good relationship with the Cardinals. Harper has been made a flexible offer. Once all offers are in, Boras is to contact the Cardinals and Cubs for their final offers. The Cardinals get the final shot. Harper will have the birds on the bat Jersey in 2019.

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