It’s too soon to count out a reunion between Bryce Harper and the Nationals, ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan writes in his latest column, as “Harper has met multiple times with representatives” from the team. In a rather surprisingly open interview last month, Nats managing principal owner Mark Lerner said his organization wasn’t willing to go beyond the ten-year, $300MM extension it offered Harper after the season, though rumors have continued to swirl that Washington is still at least monitoring Harper’s market. It could still be some time before we have an answer about Harper’s 2019 destination, as the outfielder (like many Scott Boras clients) is in no rush to sign a contract that doesn’t meet his satisfaction. The Phillies and White Sox, Passan reports, are willing to guarantee Harper at least a ten-year deal, indicating that the two teams have at least made some progress in their pursuit of the free agent outfielder, though obviously the gigantic dollar figure Harper is demanding is still a very notable obstacle.
Some more hot stove items from Passan….
- Before the Rangers dealt Jurickson Profar to the Athletics as part of a three-team trade with the Rays, Texas also explored another three-team scenario involving the Yankees and Braves. “There was traction, at one point,” Passan writes about a deal that would have seen the Yankees get Profar, the Braves get Sonny Gray, and Texas would have received a prospect (presumably from Atlanta’s farm system).
- The Diamondbacks would only consider trading Robbie Ray for a very big return, with Passan noting that Arizona would want more for Ray than the Mariners received from the Yankees for James Paxton back in November. While both Ray and Paxton are front-of-the-rotation southpaws with two remaining years of team control, Ray is almost three full years younger than Paxton, which would explain Arizona’s higher asking price. That deal saw Seattle land an MLB-ready pitching prospect (Justus Sheffield), another young arm on the brink of the majors (Erik Swanson) and a promising lower-level position player (outfielder Dom Thompson-Williams). It’s a steep price tag, though at least two teams with a lot of minor league depth have been linked to Ray in trade rumors.
- News broke last week that Yasmani Grandal turned down a four-year, $60MM offer from the Mets, though Passan says that such an offer was “never officially presented,” and that the terms were “characterized by sources on both sides as more of a discussion.” Grandal’s market seems a little uncertain right now, due to the number of catcher-needy teams who have already found other backstops, and the looming presence of J.T. Realmuto on the trade market. With draft pick compensation via the qualifying offer hanging over Grandal’s services, there is some threat of Grandal becoming (in the words of one executive) “this year’s version of Mike Moustakas,” i.e. a QO free agent whose market thins to the point that he is forced to accept a one-year contract. Grandal accepting a one-year deal “remains unlikely but not out of question,” as per Passan, though the catcher and his camp are reportedly “staying patient” that a satisfactory multi-year deal will eventually surface.
- A.J. Pollock is one of many big-name free agents whose markets may not get moving until Harper and/or Manny Machado sign new contracts. As Passan notes, Pollock is a good fit for both the Phillies and White Sox, though those teams are more likely to focus on Harper and Machado before turning to backup plans. Three executive tell Passan that Pollock’s situation bears similarity to Lorenzo Cain last winter, who had to wait until late January to find a new contract, though his market quickly heated up to the point that he was able to land a hefty five-year, $80MM deal from the Brewers.
- We heard during the Winter Meetings about the Reds’ interest in Braves center fielder Ender Inciarte, though Passan writes that “talks stagnated” between the two sides, and Cincinnati then pivoted to acquire outfield help in the form of Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp. Neither of those two are viable center field options, of course, so the Reds remain on the hunt for a replacement for Billy Hamilton.
Juggy
Harper to the Nationals
Dutch Vander Linde
Harper will sign with San Diego
Krampus
At least Phillies have been in talks and the fact they will guarantee 10 years is interesting.
ScottRolen
Passan said Magic Johnson flew to Las Vegas, shined Harper’s shoes while singing him a song. That story held up for about twelve hours.
Consider the source.
brandons-3
Misinformation happens.
dellapple
It’s going to another disappointing season for the Phillies. Rooting for them to get a new GM and manager.
PhanaticDuck26
kap’s got little to do with a 350million dollar signing
PhilsPhan
Well, that’s not actually true. Kap creates the atmosphere and culture that that new player has to be a part of. If they look at his methods and managerial style and they don’t want to play in that system, that could easily affect their decision to sign or not sign with the Phillies. So, while he doesn’t sign the actual contract, he sill has a big impact on a FA’s decision
PhanaticDuck26
its been ONE season, give the dude a break. Phils will offer Manny 350 million dollars and he will not stop and say, “well… that Gabe Kapler did tend to over-manage his bullpen during his rookie campaign…i think i’ll pass.” Money talks a lot more than a few whiny fans who constantly need something to cry about…
PhilsPhan
If you read carefully, I never said anything bad about Kap. What I *did* do was explain how he could potentially impact someone’s decision. Maybe the next time you decide to go off on someone, you should read what they wrote a little more carefully.
deweybelongsinthehall
Philly is a great place to play for a player that gives his all 100% of the time. Problem is Machado could hit 20 home runs the first year in August but then fail to run out a ground ball that results in a loss on September 1st. The team then loses the division by one and he gets booed mercilessly for the next nine years.
Cat Mando
“a person close to the player tells NBC Sports Philadelphia that a face-to-face meeting between Harper and Phillies officials is being planned for “the next week or so,” in Harper’s hometown of Las Vegas. Phillies officials met with Harper’s representative, Scott Boras, at the winter meetings in Las Vegas last month. The player was not in attendance at that meeting.”
nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/csn/phillies/Sourc…
barjerni50
I believe Harper is playing the other teams, don’t believe he wants to leave Washington,… but I’ve been wrong before !!
Braveslifer
I don’t think that is the case. He wants to play for a perennial winner and the Nats simply haven’t gotten there, at least not deep into playoffs. I still say Braves are in play here. I doubt Braves get TOR guy and parlay that money into Harper. In 2020 Teheran comes off of the books leaving that $12M and O’Day also comes off. I know I’ll be called a HOMER here, but this just seems like the year of our young arms coming to life and the pen can work things out with some of the young arms heading out there to fortify the pen.
chesteraarthur
The Braves are a perennial winner, but the Nats are not?
Cat Mando
That was my first thought too.
Braveslifer
The way the Braves roster is set, yes, the Nats lost Harper, who was responsible for part of their success and losing him hurts their chances of being a 90 win team. For the past several years everyone said the Nats would own the NL East, well, they haven’t.
petfoodfella
I think he made two statements. Harper wants to go to a team where he has a chance every year. IF that doesn’t happen, he sees Atlanta as a dark horse.
What
St. Louis
endtheDH
They also added Corbin, who was more valuable in 2018 than Harper. Somehow I don’t think you’re looking at this through an unbiased lens, Braveslifer.
RunDMC
Not sure I’d call ATL a “perennial winner”, but can you be one if your franchise has never won a championship (i.e. Nats)?
RobertBobBobson
In baseball, absolutely, because the postseason requires luck as well as a team built for it. Over the past seasons, the MLB teams with the most regular season wins (which you have to win to make the playoffs) are as follows:
1. Dodgers — 651 wins (6 postseason appearances)
2. Nationals — 637 wins (4 postseason appearances)
3 Cardinals — 632 wins (4 postseason appearances)
4. Yankees — 626 wins (4 postseason appearances)
5 Indians — 613 wins (4 postseason appearances)
6 Red Sox — 609 wins (4 postseason appearances)
If you want to make it to the post season, these have been the best teams to play for since 2012
Papabueno
Uh, Nats have been division champs four of the last six years.
Braveslifer
I buy the wins/post season appearances, but what you are missing is they never got past the Division into the League Championship. That plays on the psyche of a player, and that is the stigma the Nationals have in Harper’s mind. They can win 95 games in the season but can’t get to the League Championship. The Braves are in a position to become perennial winners with the potential to get to the World Series and Harper could be part of the solution getting them there.
bhambrave
I don’t see Harper going to the Braves. They are not big spenders, and I doubt they’d want to commit 25-30% of their long term payroll to Harper. Trout, yes, but not Harper. Too many flaws in his game.
ron cey
take away the tomahawk
ron cey
perhaps bco # the stellar pitching staff
ron cey
i can see him th=ive* Atlant@
petfoodfella
I could see it happening, back-loaded contract (not as much as Nationals) to help out right now. They have enough pitching that the % is high they’ll develop into rotation arms for the future.
I’d be fine w/ it, hell, Braves fans know how far he can hit the ball to RF in STP after watching him tee off on Teheran
They only have $33m on the books for 2020, and $31m for 2021. It’s def possible to put him in there, even at $30-35m assuming their cheaper talent comes through w/ value.
Acuna
Harper
Donaldson
Freeman
Albies
Inciarte
Swanson
Flowers/McCann
I could live w/ it.
Jon429
I guess the real question would be could you live with watching Acuna, Freeman, Albies, (insert any TOR pitcher the Braves currently might have in their young arms) all walk to FA because the Braves were dumb enough to dump most of their payroll into 1 player, who at that point would be in his 30s and probably not performing up to the $$$ he is making?
As exciting as Harper would be in Atlanta, I personally don’t want to sit through another rebuild.
braves25
I wish the Braves would front load a contract for Harper. One that over the next 3-5 years they offer Harper a lot of money and then it drops down the next few years. This allows them to get Harper now, and also have money to resign Acuna and others in the next few years.
Give him a couple opt outs along the way (not that I am a fan of opt outs) however players are wanting more control over their future. So if he opt out that also frees up money for the core the Braves have in place.
mj-2
Agree with this
Harper would wreck the opportunity to lock up others long term
It’s not that we can’t add him right now, it’s more the fact these other guys will need to be paid at some point. It’s unrealistic to expect 90% of our roster will be league minimum contracts forever
RunDMC
Sure, but it’s also unrealistic to expect ATL’s budget to stay the same as it’s been with attendance and income flourishing. I think they realize that & I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the young talent locked up with an extension over the next 2 years. If Harper is signed, I don’t see it affecting the long-term sign-ability of players – I see the ownership kicking in more money – much like a capital expenditure to any business. Harper adds value to their business and could boost the bargaining power of a new TV deal after the current one expires at the end of his contract after 2027.
Papabueno
Why wouldnt Harper take the big salary for a few years of your front loaded contract and then opt out and cash in again somewhere else?
Brilliant
petfoodfella
Who knows what the $$ will be down the road. TV contract is due to be replaced, more money from STP vs Turner.
Not ideal, no. I doubt it’ll happen, but I *could* see it happening if they make the contract work the right way.
Atlanta will need to trade some from the stable of arms soon. I’d like to see Ray from AZ brought over for a deal headlined by Gahora (sp) and 1-2 other pitching prospects.
@jon429, you’re right though, in the end it’s a lot of money for the Braves and if it puts them into another rebuild, it’ll be tough to go through.
petfoodfella
It’ll be nice to finally come to the norm w/ other teams and have a TV deal flushing cash into the Braves.
MrStealYoBase
Braves corporate owners are not going to open their checkbook and make that big of an investment in one player.
bhambrave
That’s what the Braves should hope for, if they did this deal.
mkeyankee
“…and this kid’s is why you don’t smoke crack.”
Mrivers
Harper has indicated he doesn’t want to return to the Nats for the reason you give. Playoff team, but that’s it. Yankees could have him for the right price which they won’t offer. Looks like a long winter for Bryce.
deweybelongsinthehall
He wants money. Period. Saving face mode if that lengthy deal Boras promised doesn’t materialize is to return to Washinton on a JDM type deal so he opts out at 28 and tries again should he produce. Harper has greatness potential but has yet to have multiple MVP type seasons.
ron cey
he was seen talking to Jeter. He is going to the fish
Vedder80
Harper wants to get paid. If he can get paid and go to a winner, that would probably be preferable, but if he gets offered the most money by a team that is no where close to contention he will join that team and tell the media how they are close he is looking forward to turning everything around there.
Moonlight Graham
Well, if Harper’s bat didn’t go to sleep for half the season, he could team up with Rendon, Soto, Turner, etc. and give offensive support to the best starting pitcher in baseball (Scherzer), as well as other other top-flight starters in that rotation (Strasburg and Corbin), and then maybe the Nats could do some winning. If Harper can’t lead this Nats squad to postseason success, he’s not worth the money he’s looking for.
ohyeadam
This all day, up vote, up vote, up vote, up vote…
Krampus
This is like watching paint dry. One of these shoes need to drop.
ScottRolen
Watching paint dry was more interesting than the Phillies 2018 lineup.
Krampus
You’re 100% right about that.
Big Green Egg
Braves will land Gray at some point.
RicoD
I think Gray is a great fit for a young Atl team
mj-2
I think they’d be better off just keeping Teheran and hoping for a rebound.
RunDMC
Settling for Teheran Since 2011
petfoodfella
@run,
Teheran wasn’t actually that bad of a pitcher in 2018. Aside from all the Solo HR’s he gave up, he was good. If he could cure his HR prone at STP he’d be top shelf. They should have traded him the first season they were there.
I’d see Gray coming, and maybe Ray.
RunDMC
Respectfully disagree that they should have traded him away after 1st season in SunTrust. Honestly, that’s when his value was at its lowest. They couldn’t give him away at that point. I’m glad they kept him to boost some value, but sacrificed another reasonably-contracted year.
I can’t see him solving the HR issue anytime soon unless Bryce Harper goes to the AL. Harper not facing him 5 starts/year would help.
batty
I think Boras is waiting and hoping that the Dodgers get seriously involved on Harper. Reportedly, with the Nats best and only offer having been made, if the Dodgers can be pulled into the mix, then the Phillies “stupid money” could become even more stupid and even a year or two added in contract length.
baseballpun
Moose didn’t just have to take a one year contract, it was for nearly two-thirds less than the QO.
martras
Moustakas is just a guy. In 7 seasons prior to his free agency he accumulated a total of 10.6 fWAR.
Boras pushed hard for teams to ignore the 4 years where Moose produced below 1.0 fWAR, including 2016 where he lost most of the season to a torn ACL, but GMs weren’t buying on Moose being a 3+ win player, and GMs were right.
To be blunt, Moose didn’t/doesn’t bring elite value. He brings role player value and role players generally get 2-3 year contracts at under $10M / year. Moose and Boras held out too long and the market dried up. Moose wasn’t a victim of anything other than overplaying his hand.
Slevin
WAR is such a subjective stat…
batty
All stats are subjective.
Polymath
All narratives are subjective. All narratives are fiction. All stats are are objective statements of some quantitative data. Interpreting those statements are subjective. Quantitative must be distinguished from qualitative. Converting the former into the latter requires axiomatic narratives. Therefore, nothing ever written on here is completely true. Consequently, you can ignore this post.
Acuña Matata
Well played
stan lee the manly
I have a hard time believing that Grandal would have to settle for a one year deal this year after how thin the amount of catching talent in the majors is. Someone’s going to pay him because the alternatives are going to look much, much worse.
ullnvrknw
Harper is all Yankees.
Charlie 12
Why is this? You think they’ll pay him that money to play 1st? He’s not getting into the outfield.
nats3256
I am a huge Nationals fan, but I believe the best solution to Harper is to let him go. Well the best solution would have been to take the deal with the Astros at the deadline, but that’s gone now. I think these huge contracts will pretty much kill any organization excluding the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and possibly Cubs. They just hamper your ability to spread money out and build a competitive team.
However, the Lerners are (correct me if I’m wrong) top 3 richest owners in baseball, so they could afford it if they are willing to go over the luxury tax. I think the answer to signing Harper for the Nats is to wait until Manny signs and give him one extra year at whatever the AAV will be. So if manny is 12-360 you go 13-390 Harper. Unless the total value is under the Stanton contract, then you go 1 million over the Stanton contract to make Harper the highest paid in baseball.
nats3256
All that being said, I’m not convinced Harper is worthy of the biggest contract in baseball.
Papabueno
I too am a huge Nats fan, and agree that such a huge contract (for any player) would hamstring Rizzo, limiting his ability to build a consistent winning team around Harper.
Also agree that Harper isn’t consistent enough to be worthy of anything close to the deal being proposed.
Nats need to move on!!
homer 2
post PED 13 years is too much. No player is aging well late 30-40. There will of course be the exception. For every Ortiz / Beltran there will be two-three Miggy and Pujols types
southi
Unless there was a major piece coming back, I fail to clearly see how trading Inciarte to the Reds would have been to Atlanta’s benefit.
RicoD
Agreed. Considering Inciarte is under pretty team friendly contract I don’t see why you would want to move him.
I also don’t see why Puig is not “viable” in Center for the Reds if need be.
meatloaf213
I would assume the Braves would have wanted Rasiel Iglesias in any trade as one piece and the Reds would have probably had to add in a mid level prospect.
petfoodfella
I thought they were talking about the closer for the Reds coming back to Atlanta? I could be wrong.
jkurk_22
@southi Agreed. The only reason I’d trade Ender to a team like the Reds would be to get as many top flight prospects as possible (probably not many, but do the best you can) and then turn around and trade those prospects plus to the Indians for Kluber. Of course that all hinges upon Kluber being available and then liking those prospects
bhambrave
Cleveland needs a CF. If you’re going to trade Inciarte, why not trade him plus prospects directly to Cleveland?
hockeyjohn
Cleveland has Greg Allen, Bradley Zimmer, and Leonys Martin that are all center fielders. The Indians need corner outfielders. Inciarte is not the best fit for the Indians. If they trade Kluber, I would love to get a few of Atlanta’s prospects, but they do need to get an outfielder in the deal.
martras
Grandal isn’t anything like Moustakas. Grandal brings legitimate, consistent and above average value at a premium position.
A team is going to give him a multi-year deal, but I think it’s going to wind up being 3 years if he’s looking at that $15M/yr AAV. I have to believe he’d jump at 4 yrs / $60M if it was actually presented.
I don’t think Realmuto plays into this much. Realmuto costs talent for an elite catcher vs. Grandal just costing dollars for a good catcher.
heater
I agree with that. Unless I’m missing something where they just want him gone, the Dodgers should be open to resigning Grandal. The price is steep for Realmuto in the way of prospects.
RunDMC
You want Ender Inciarte – one of the best defensive OFs in the game. Pivot to acquire one of the worst OFs in the game: Matt Kemp and polarizing star, Yasiel Puig. Makes sense.
ksoze
What the Reds need is pitching. The Reds would not give up much for Inciarte. Probably why they didn’t trade for him. GABP has a small OF, Puig or Schebler can handle it. Away games at larger parks may require having a more defensively oriented OF on the bench.
pplama
Passan is clearly Boras’ media mouthpiece this year. Hope he’s worked out some contract kickbacks.
bourbon
O’Neill for Senzel
Yankeepatriot
If the Yankees snag machado I wonder if Bruce would do a Kevin Durant and take a short term deal to sign with the Yankees. He’s only 26 and would still hit the market at a good age afterward. Yankees, cubs and dodgers are where I think he truly wants to play. The cards are a great fit but we know they won’t spend that type of money and until they do there is no reason to think otherwise
Mind you I don’t think he would do it but it’s just one of those “what if’s” lol
ChiSoxCity
Yankees are out on Harper and Machado. Only two teams left offering 10 years—White Sox and Phills.
rocky7
Exactly where did you hear or read that…..the NY media isn’t saying anything of the sort on Machado……if either of them don’t wish to play long term for either the Phils, or Chisox, there will be other teams “in” on both players!
Cubbie991
Cubs are still the sleeper. Giants interested in Heyward.
Yankeepatriot
Heyward has a no trade clause doesn’t he ? Why would he want to go to the giants (who are in terrible shape mind you) when he can stay with his good cubs team ? Heyward is unmovable right now
petfoodfella
“Heyward also gets a full no-trade clause in the first three years of his deal, and a limited no-trade clause in years four and five. Thereafter, he’ll be qualified for 10/5 no-trade rights (all veterans with ten years big league service time and five consecutive years with their current team have no-trade rights by rule of the CBA – you no longer have to have it in your contract at that point).”
Cardinals17
Everyone is going to be shocked when the Cardinals sign Bryce Harper within the next 2 weeks.
steelerbravenation
Vizzy & S. Freeman for Sonny Gray
Yankees need some bullpen arms
Braves can hope for a bounce back
Even though I would rather not have Gray. I say rock with Folty, Teheran, Newcomb, Guassman and Soroka
Touki come up and pitch if anybody is injured. Then see where things are at the deadline when better arms should be available.
I would much rather roll with what we got and strengthen the bullpen. Sign Britton & trade for Leclerc.
carpengui
Just an observation of something curious here… the title uses last names for all players noted – except for Inciarte.
RicoD
I think he did that to be his title “ender”. I’m sorry, I had to.
bhambrave
Everyone loves Ender.
jbigz12
I’m sorry I don’t see Ray as a TOR starter. A solid #3 I can see but he doesn’t go deep in enough games to qualify as a TOR to me. Too many high pitch count games w all those K’s and walks
muskie73
James Paxton has posted 14.1 fWAR in 102 career starts, including 3.8 fWAR in 28 starts last year.
Robbie Ray has posted 9.7 fWAR in 116 career appearances, including 113 starts, including 1.3 fWAR in 24 starts last year.
Even with the three-year age difference the left handers each remain under team control for two years. I doubt the Diamondbacks can command a better return in a Ray trade than the Mariners commanded in the Paxton trade.
Cuso
Harper to the Spiders
bravesfan
Wonder how the gray to the braves trade didn’t work. All that seems fair and I can’t imagine the braves weren’t willing to give up the prospect to rangers. What the rangers got wasn’t amazing by any nature., sure we could have matched that
bhambrave
I don’t see why the Braves couldn’t trade directly with NYY, if they want Gray.
jbigz12
Cashman was intent on acquiring a ML piece. Profar is a huge overpay for Gray IMO. I can’t even believe that was kicked around. They just signed Tulo so I’d have to imagine they aren’t really looking for another utility guy. I wouldn’t give up more than Culbertson and a top 15-20 guy for Gray at this point. dont think that interests the Yankees right now though I don’t see them getting their current asking price.
outinleftfield
Passan has taken a step down the journalistic ladder from Yahoo to ESPN.
bhambrave
Instead of trading for Gray, the Braves could have just re-signed Sanchez. I think he had a greater chance of success in ATL than Gray.
ron cey
Harper to the Hamfighters