It’s funny how some of these guys turn into Hall Of Famers after playing their whole career without a hint of being worthy of the HOF. Baines was never talked about as a future Hall Of Famer in my crowd. Or Trammel or Morris Biggio and many others who are getting in lately.
Biggio had 3,000 hits, 65 career bWAR and a 42 WAR 7 year peak. He was one of the best players in MLB for quite a few years. His career dragged out a couple years too long to get to 3k hits, but Biggio wasn’t a fluke.
Trammell was a stud fielder at shortstop and had some very good years at the plate. His 71 career bWAR should be an automatic. His 45 WAR 7 year peak (that’s 6.5 WAR average for 7 years, including an 8.2 WAR best). Those aren’t fluke numbers. They’re better than Francisco Lindor’s average and best WARs for longer than Lindor has even been playing. Trammell’s career is right at Derek Jeter’s 72 bWAR, and Trammell’s peak is better than Jeter’s 42 bWAR.
That said, Morris and Baines didn’t deserve their plaques, but compared to the number of players who have been overlooked because they didn’t play on the most popular or the best teams, far more get left out than get put in undeservedly.
Do you put any stock in the idea that teams will demand more in trade from teams with top farm systems just because “They can afford to part with more prospects,” Even going as far as to take a return that they feel is somewhat inferior from someone else?
OBP better than Slugging Percentage!!?? BLASPHEMY!
The great Bill James pointed out the point of the game is to advance as many bases as you can to score runs while making the other team produce outs.
A slugger will produce more bases than someone who walks! It’s basic math Connor!
Jeez!
It’s debatable. OPS, for such a simple stat, is pretty good at predicting run production and WAR from offense.
If we look at 4 plate appearances with the same total number of bases and the impact they have on WAR, then OBP, for each point is worth more than each point of SLG.
1 for 1, 3 walks > 1 for 4, home run – OPS 2.000 vs 1.583
1 for 2, 2 walks > 1 for 4, triple – OPS 1.250 vs 1.000
1 for 3, 1 walk > 1 for 4, double – OPS .833 vs .750
That said, teams have definitely moved towards generating runs with launch angle and SLG and trying to debate SLG vs. OBP doesn’t make a lot of sense to me because they’re both stats which rely upon another item of the triple slash… batting average.
BB% vs. ISO is really what the debate is about. ISO is WAY easier to achieve than BB%. Lots of hitters have ISO at .200+, but nobody sustains a BB rate of .200 (20.0%).
Harold Baines in the Hall… Tori Hunter will make it. Similar offensive numbers plus multiple gold gloves.
It’s funny how some of these guys turn into Hall Of Famers after playing their whole career without a hint of being worthy of the HOF. Baines was never talked about as a future Hall Of Famer in my crowd. Or Trammel or Morris Biggio and many others who are getting in lately.
Biggio – 3000 hits got him in. Deserving.
Trammell – Great SS. Deserving.
Morris – Good pitcher. Game 7 of 91 WS carried a lot of weight here.
Baines – Good player. La Russa and Reinsdorf got him in.
none of those players listed deserve to be in the hof.
I agree… Hall of Fame should be very selective. We should go years without anyone getting in.
Biggio had 3,000 hits, 65 career bWAR and a 42 WAR 7 year peak. He was one of the best players in MLB for quite a few years. His career dragged out a couple years too long to get to 3k hits, but Biggio wasn’t a fluke.
Trammell was a stud fielder at shortstop and had some very good years at the plate. His 71 career bWAR should be an automatic. His 45 WAR 7 year peak (that’s 6.5 WAR average for 7 years, including an 8.2 WAR best). Those aren’t fluke numbers. They’re better than Francisco Lindor’s average and best WARs for longer than Lindor has even been playing. Trammell’s career is right at Derek Jeter’s 72 bWAR, and Trammell’s peak is better than Jeter’s 42 bWAR.
That said, Morris and Baines didn’t deserve their plaques, but compared to the number of players who have been overlooked because they didn’t play on the most popular or the best teams, far more get left out than get put in undeservedly.
I think a bit of it had to do with the “old boys club”. If Tony La Russa and company are buddies with you, you’re good as gold.
Almost 2 hour chat and my question still wasn’t chosen. Can teams trade their 2019 draft picks before the deadline?
No, they can’t be traded until after the world series.
Technically only after the WS is over, but teams do and they are listed as players to be named later.
Nope. The rule change also closed that loophole.
They should be able to be traded once the contracts are signed.
Do you put any stock in the idea that teams will demand more in trade from teams with top farm systems just because “They can afford to part with more prospects,” Even going as far as to take a return that they feel is somewhat inferior from someone else?
OBP better than Slugging Percentage!!?? BLASPHEMY!
The great Bill James pointed out the point of the game is to advance as many bases as you can to score runs while making the other team produce outs.
A slugger will produce more bases than someone who walks! It’s basic math Connor!
Jeez!
Wrong. OBP has a higher correlation to winning than SLG.
you are having a tough night kyleschwarbersmom.
It’s debatable. OPS, for such a simple stat, is pretty good at predicting run production and WAR from offense.
If we look at 4 plate appearances with the same total number of bases and the impact they have on WAR, then OBP, for each point is worth more than each point of SLG.
1 for 1, 3 walks > 1 for 4, home run – OPS 2.000 vs 1.583
1 for 2, 2 walks > 1 for 4, triple – OPS 1.250 vs 1.000
1 for 3, 1 walk > 1 for 4, double – OPS .833 vs .750
That said, teams have definitely moved towards generating runs with launch angle and SLG and trying to debate SLG vs. OBP doesn’t make a lot of sense to me because they’re both stats which rely upon another item of the triple slash… batting average.
BB% vs. ISO is really what the debate is about. ISO is WAY easier to achieve than BB%. Lots of hitters have ISO at .200+, but nobody sustains a BB rate of .200 (20.0%).