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NL Notes: Dubon, Giants, Smith, 40-Man Additions

By Dylan A. Chase | November 23, 2019 at 9:11pm CDT

In trying to predict Mauricio Dubon’s upcoming role with the 2020 Giants, MLB.com’s Maria Guardado draws a comparison between the 25-year-old Dubon and utilityman Chris Taylor of the Dodgers (link). Dubon, as Guaradado points out, already showed himself capable at second and short last year after being acquired from the Brewers in exchange for Drew Pomeranz, and the 25-year-old also has a few games of center field experience dating back to his time in the 2016 Arizona Fall League. While it may be a stretch to conclude that Dubon will be able to handle the outfield’s most challenging position based on a handful of years-old appearances, it isn’t completely outlandish to think that teams may consider some unconventional routes toward manning center in 2020. After all, the free agency class at that position is rather weak, with only Brett Gardner and Shogo Akiyama projecting as possible starting options. Meanwhile, several teams seeking contention, including the Phillies, Padres, and Cubs, have obvious openings in center; the Giants, for their part, are facing some uncertainty as to their approach to Kevin Pillar this offseason. In his first 30 games of MLB action, Dubon hit .274/.306/.434 with four homers and three steals in 2019.

More notes from around the NL on a calm Saturday night…

  • Wednesday’s deadline to add players to 40-man roster’s in advance of next month’s Rule 5 Draft brought a flurry of activity, and we’ve already covered some of the more interesting veterans that were DFA’d to accommodate various roster moves. But what of the 112 players who found themselves on MLB organizational rosters for the first time? Many of them, as noted in a piece from MLB.com’s Jim Callis, are a good reminder of the labyrinthian routes s0me players have to take in order to achieve their dreams of donning big league uniforms. Callis’ list features a former prep standout who overcame addiction issues to achieve success in the minors (Phil Pfeifer of the Braves), a former Mexican League pitcher who, despite never pitching above High-A, intrigued this season with a 94-98 mph heater (Manuel Rodriguez of the Cubs), and a 2013 DR signing who may reach the bigs with a new org after previously spending a half-decade in Rookie ball (Christopher Sanchez, who arrived to the Phillies via trade from the Rays on Wednesday). They may not represent household names, but they may represent a few new names to root for.
  • Kudos to Joel Sherman of The New York Post for authoring a thoroughly interesting piece that attempts to explain why Yasmani Grandal and Will Smith, in particular, represented the first major signings of the 2019-2020 offseason (link). It was Grandal and Smith’s relatively “distinct” profiles, in Sherman’s view, that prompted the White Sox and Braves, respectively, to lunge toward early signings; while teams may be able to convince themselves, for example, that Zack Wheeler makes for a decent alternative to Stephen Strasburg or Gerrit Cole, there were no such viable alternatives to Smith, a left-handed reliever capable of pitching to both sides of the plate, or Grandal, a switch-hitting catcher who excels at both sides of the game. While the next-best lefty reliever may be Drew Pomeranz, it’s not as if teams would feel entirely comfortable with that pitcher’s comparative lack of a relief track record; same goes for Travis d’Arnaud, a player who, despite his arguable position as the market’s second-best backstop, simply doesn’t offer Grandal’s history of sustained success (or health). As Sherman touches on, Smith’s well-rounded ability, in particular, could prove to be a boon for the Braves. With next year’s introduction of a three-batter minimum rule, it’s generally impossible, at this juncture, to predict how teams might be compromised in late-inning situations. While recent years have seen a LOOGY or two stashed on every staff, pitchers like Smith figure to become increasingly valuable under the new rules, where relievers will likely have to face at least one opposite-handed batter. In 65.1 innings in 2019, the Braves’ newest addition was death on same-handed batters (.166 wOBA) but more-than-useful against righties as well (.298 wOBA).
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  1. gmenfan

    6 years ago

    With the Giants’ gaping hole at second, it seems like Dubon is the obvious choice unless the Giants can convince Crawford to waive his no trade/find a taker for him.

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    • coach him

      6 years ago

      Gabe could call on his buddies in Philly and ask for Hernandez to play 2B. He would cost next to nothing

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      • Batman69

        6 years ago

        Oh yeah? Cesar Hernandez could cost next to nothing?

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        • Sutter

          6 years ago

          Yep

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        • T_Rexx2

          6 years ago

          Yeah he probably will be DFA’d.

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        • Phiilies2020

          6 years ago

          Caesar is expected to earn roughly $11mil in arbitration. That’s expensive for a guy who was 8% below league average with the bat.

          Kingery is a good defender but he’s best suited for 2B.

          The Phillies should be looking into a Starling Marte, Byron Buxton or Kevin Kiermaier trade, in my opinion.

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        • andymeyer

          6 years ago

          I think the Phillies will non tender rather than pay that in arbitration

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        • vtadave

          6 years ago

          He’s a non-tender candidate, so yeah.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      6 years ago

      Crawford hasn’t just regresses with the bat. He’s become a poor defender. His DRS was 0 and his UZR WAS -0.4

      You just can’t have a short stop with a bad glove. But I still think he is tradable. Matt Kemp got traded multiple times. Crawfords contract is bad but it isn’t so bad that it could cripple most major league clubs. Maybe Crawford gets included in a trade with another player a team is interested in. But of course that’s if he waves his no trade clause.

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      • snotrocket

        6 years ago

        He needs to lose like 15 lbs. His range was noticeably worse last year. If he doesn’t come into camp in shape and continues his downward trend on both sides of the game they should seriously consider cutting him.

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        • rightyspecialist

          6 years ago

          Crawford is terrible. And he’s gotten FAT. Now he looks like ‘Paulie’…Rocky Balboa’s brother in-law from the film ‘Rocky’

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      • WarrenSpahn

        6 years ago

        doesn’t seem like Kapler will have the same affinity or patience with Crawford as Bochy did. look for Dubon to take over at SS and Crawford will “grab some pine, meat”…

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  2. StandUpGuy

    6 years ago

    I figured the new rule that drastically minimizes the value of LOOGY’s was a huge factor in the Braves signing Smith. At first I thought that he was gonna be the biggest victim of the QO but I didn’t realize he was a lefty at that time. I don’t see many Giants games. Of course the other big reason that the Braves needed him more than most is that everyone suspects they are going to try and move Sean Newcomb back the the starting rotation next season. With Newcomb out of the ‘pen Will Smith becomes literally the only left handed relief pitcher the Braves have on staff. If you only have one lefty reliever, he better be one of the best in the game. Will Smith might actually be the best lefty reliever in the game. Anyone know of any lefty relievers that should be ranked ahead of Smith? The fact that he is the only lefty currently in the Braves bullpen does make me wonder if the Braves are planning to use him in a non-closer capacity. Seems like a waste of their best reliever but there’s no reason to save Smith so he can face 3 righties in the 9th when you can use him against 3 lefties in the 8th, right?

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    • barnard

      6 years ago

      I’d say Josh Hader and Aroldis Chapman are a cut above Will Smith

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      • StandUpGuy

        6 years ago

        Hader and Chapman are both lefties? I didn’t realize that. I gotta star paying more attention to which arms pitchers throw from. I didn’t even realize Smith was a lefty until the Braves signed him.

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        • Dodgethis

          6 years ago

          As the article states, with the further dilution of the sport next year with the nonsense 3 batter rule, lefty relievers are really no longer relevant. All that matters is results. Can’t have a loogy if he is forced to face righties.

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        • UGA_Steve

          6 years ago

          Don’t you mean with the ‘outstanding’ three batter rule. I do not care at all about the length of games, but I do care about the quality. I am sick of seeing players that can only do one thing. It cheapens the game to me.

          That goes for pinch-runners as well. I wish there was a way to eliminate that rec league type of nonsense. I would say the same for DH, as it would make good hitting pitchers even better, but sadly, it won’t go away in the AL and I would just prefer both leagues be the same.

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        • giantsphan12

          6 years ago

          UGA_Steve, I respectfully disagree. I don’t care about the length of games either, but I think loogys, pinch runners, and specialty roles add to the game. For one, it makes the manager’s job more intriguing as he tries to out-maneuver the other team/manager. Two, it keeps more guys playing
          Professional baseball. I like watching Billy Hamilton run, and guys like Javier Lopez (as a Giant’s Fan) get one critical out. That said, I also like being a fan of an NL team whose pitchers have to hit (until they’re going to be pulled). It makes for some fun games when MadBum squares up for a HR or watching Greinke, Kershaw and Syndergaard take their ABs. I sit on the fence about the DH in the AL as again, the DH makes for more guys able to play professional baseball longer.. It also protects pitchers from HBPs which is good. But the strategy part of the the NL is more fun to watch, and watching inter-league play and AL pitchers taking ABs is super amusing at times. Just my opinion.

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    • bravesfan88

      6 years ago

      Yes, you are correct, it has been stated that they are planning to utilize Smith outside of the 9th inning.

      Pretty much like you alluded to, outside of Smith, they really only have guys like Dayton, Pfieffer, and Minter as even LH candidates for their pen. So yeah, Smith will likely be their only lefty, unless Dayton or Minter prove to revert back to their former selves.

      Even with that being said, the Braves pen does possess a few RHP that are capable of getting LHHs out. Jacob Webb, Luke Jackson, and Chris Martin were all actually more effective against LHB than RHB last season..

      So, they’ll be able to mix and match Webb, Jackson, Martin, and Smith in the 7th and 8th innings when a couple of tough LHH are coming up..

      It’s going to be interesting to see how Snitker, Weiss, Kranitz, and Reed all use these new and old weapons. I, personally, think Greene should be the closer, but it’ll likely be Melancon. Before Melancon, in all likelihood, they will have Smith, Greene, Martin, Webb, Jackson, and O’Day plus maybe either Dayton, Minter, Walker, or a long man like Weigel, Toussaint, or Wilson..

      Either way, unlike last year, it looks like they are definitely set up for success in the pen. Now, they just need a power bat to replace JD, another catcher to pair with Flow, and a frontline starter to pair with Soroka, Fried, Folty, and possibly Newk..

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      • StandUpGuy

        6 years ago

        You seem very knowledgeable on the topic and I think you’re right about most everything. Do you think the signing of darnaud today is enough for the catcher position with Flowers? He did really well with Tampa but it’s hard for me to forget his injury history along with the fact that he was actually released by two teams last year (Mets and Dodgers). I think the Braves kind of had to sign him with Grandal off the board but I am hoping that with the roster expanding to 26 next season the Braves might get some injury/performance insurance by resigning Cervelli to a cheap 1 year deal if he is willing. What are you’re thoughts? I don’t know if I have ever heard of a guy getting released by multiple playoff teams in the same season and then getting a $16 million contact at the end of that season. Especially when both teams that released him needed help at that position.

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  3. ForestCobraAL

    6 years ago

    How do the Phillies have an “obvious opening in CF”?

    Scott Kingery is excellent there.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      or Haseley

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      • T_Rexx2

        6 years ago

        Haseley hasn’t proven he can hit major league pitching all that well, and Kingery tailed off at the end of last year, but also could play really any position on the field. So having him locked into CF doesn’t sound like the best option. I’d rather them go out and get someone who can handle the position, DFA Cesar and Franco, grab a 3B and give 2nd to Scotty.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          he held his own given he was rushed through AAA, and was an outstanding defender. i think its acceptable to say you dont give him the job outright, but his ability in the field should at least allow him the 4th OF spot out of ST (presuming they are cautious with McCutchen or get rid of either of Bruce or Quinn.

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    • bravesfan88

      6 years ago

      Idk, maybe they are planning to use him at 2B or 3B?? That’s the ok only thing I can think of, because yeah, he’s been pretty dang good this far.

      Reply
  4. richt

    6 years ago

    This Dylan kid is the latest in a line of MLBTR writers who drone on and on. Just look at the second sentence of the second bullet point. That is ONE sentence. For crying out loud. Get to the point.

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    • jimmyjames

      6 years ago

      Give the man a break. Writing isn’t easy. For example, “For crying out loud” normally isn’t used as a sentence, but as a phrase associated with another complete sentence. It is easy to pick apart another’s work at leisure. Let the man write about baseball, my colleague!

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      6 years ago

      Shut up.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      6 years ago

      A long sentence here and there helps break up the monotony of what all the shorter ones can become.

      Reply
  5. DonC.

    6 years ago

    Gabe could get his best buddy Sean Rodriguez to help screw things up even more.Good riddance.

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  6. Wilford Brimley

    6 years ago

    A half decade in rookie ball has to be the equivalent of graduating high school in your 20s.

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  7. Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

    6 years ago

    Cesar Hernandez should not be non-tendered. He’s a solid hitter and fielder. It’s not as though there are truck loads of 2B who hit .280 with double-digit HR and SB.

    If there was one thing that disappointed me last year about Cesar, it was his 9 SBs. With his speed, he should be a 20 SB guy every year.

    Kapler didn’t like steal attempts. Did not want to risk giving up one of his three outs in an inning on the base paths. Hopefully, Girardi will see the folly in that and let the guys who can run steal bases.

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    • andymeyer

      6 years ago

      Better to spend that money elsewhere and let Kingery play his natural position

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  8. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Braves have a lot more needs they need to wrap up now. 3B, 1-2 SP, C, and if available a better RF. Can’t go into next season without upgrading the first 3

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    • PanthersHornetsBravesFan84

      6 years ago

      Are you not sold on Inciarte in CF? With Inciarte in CF, that slides Acuna to RF. I was disappointed we missed out on Grandal.

      Reply
  9. snotrocket

    6 years ago

    Getting bounced from the rotation in SF is going to turn out to be a huge blessing for Drew Pomerantz.

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  10. Strike Four

    6 years ago

    Still can’t believe Pillar got MVP votes this year. 1.0 WAR on a terrible team.

    MVP and Cy Young should be stats based only. Highest WAR wins, the end. No more dumb voter corruption.

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    • rightyspecialist

      6 years ago

      Pillars ridiculous 1 vote came from that Giants writer from the SF Chronicle Hank Schulman.

      I’m from New York. I’ve been temporarily relocated to SF for work reasons and I can safely say , the Frisco sports writers are just awful. Total homers . No critical analysis. That other guy Andrew Baggarly from the Athletic that covers The Giants was the only writer that prevented Pete Alonso from having a unanimous vote for Rookie of the year. How do you not vote Alonso for NL rookie of the year? What a moron

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    • MoRivera 1999

      6 years ago

      I tend to agree about the Awards being stats based but WAR isn’t perfect… I often read that a .5 or .8 difference between players is a wash… If you’re going strictly by WAR, yikes! But I agree about the corruption (unprofessional bias).

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  11. sacball

    6 years ago

    Dubon’s short stint last year showed how badly Crawford has aged

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    • WarrenSpahn

      6 years ago

      playing Crawford at SS next season will be evidence of a commitment to mediocrity…Kapler will be on a short leash and won’t have any patience for non-productive, legacy Giants, i.e. Crawford, Belt, Posey

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