Red Sox president and CEO Sam Kennedy felt J.D. Martinez’s opt-out decision “was a hard one to read” and “I honestly thought it could go either way,” though Kennedy is obviously pleased to have Martinez back in the fold, MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo writes. Martinez’s choice will naturally have a big impact on Boston’s financial situation, particularly since the team is looking to shed some payroll and possibly get under the luxury tax threshold, though Kennedy was only focused on what Martinez’s return will mean for the club on the field.
“You never want to lose a talented player. Of course, there are hard decisions teams have to make in terms of parting ways with guys in every sport,” Kennedy said. “What J.D. Martinez has done for the Red Sox and hopefully will continue to do, is not just a big bat in the middle of the lineup. He also helps elevate other players on the team and that’s widely documented. That’s helpful. That’s a good thing. Now we move on.”
More from Fenway Park…
- It isn’t yet known if Martinez staying will make it more likely that the Sox could trade Mookie Betts in order to solve their luxury tax issues, though Kennedy said (via Cotillo) the club is still hoping to enter into extension talks this winter. “We love Mookie Betts….We’ve engaged in discussions with him and his representatives in the past and we’ll continue to engage with them,” Kennedy said. No negotiations have taken place to date this offseason, which isn’t surprising given that most teams wait until closer to Spring Training to begin extension talks (plus, Chaim Bloom was only just hired as Boston’s new chief baseball officer). While the Sox have been proactive in locking up in-house stars over the years, most recently inking Xander Bogaerts and Chris Sale to extensions last spring. Betts, however, has been clear about his desire to test the free agency after the 2020 season, and with the open market now less than a year away, it remains to be seen if the Red Sox can get anywhere in convincing him to stay.
- Whether Betts is part of a blockbuster deal or not, Bloom’s hiring would seem to indicate that the Sox will be much more active on the trade market under their new front office boss than they were under Dave Dombrowski. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe notes that since the start of November 2016, when Bloom and Rays GM Erik Neander took over Tampa’s front office, the Rays swung 65 different trades. In that same timeframe, the Sox made only 21 deals. While the two franchises are obviously in quite different places in terms of payroll and roster creation strategy, it does stand to reason that trades may be a much larger part of Boston’s efforts to reshape the team.
- Could a reunion with Rick Porcello be in the cards? The Boston Herald’s Jason Mastrodonato looks at the pros and cons, noting that Porcello perhaps could have a rebound year and, at worst, will eat innings within a rotation full of injury question marks. That said, Bloom (who has no past history with Porcello) could prefer to acquire a starter with a higher potential ceiling, and who’d cost less than what Porcello is likely to find on the open market. MLBTR projects Porcello for a one-year, $11MM contract — no small amount for a Red Sox team that is ideally trying to avoid the luxury tax.
Here’s an idea for the Sox: talk to contending teams looking for that last big piece and trade Betts for a player a two or three years away from FA straight up, then flip that player for the prospect package. i.e. trade Betts to the Cubs for Bryant, then flip Bryant to a 3B needy team (Brewers? Cardinals?) with prospect depth. Cubs can cover at 3B and Betts could push them over the finish line, Bryant would land a better package than Betts because of the extra control. Just an idea.
Why would the Cubs trade a player as good as Chris Bryant who is under control until 2022 for a rental that will cost more?
Because Bryant is leaving in 2 years, Betts will add much more to a lineup loaded with uppercut hitters. Obviously would need to work on resigning Betts and the new network will add plenty of $$
Kris Bryant is only under control thru 2021 not 2022
That literally makes no sense. Why would the Cubs trade Bryant for Mookie–Mookie has one year until hes a FA, and seems dead set on playing the market–meaning he wont sign an extenstion with the cubs anyway.
The Cubs essentially would be dumping a player in Bryant (who they still have a shot to sign to an extension, or trade for a boat load of guys since hes got 2 years of control) for Mookie (who has one year of control and has little trade value if hes already saying he will try and test the open market)
If the Cubs are going to trade Bryant, its going to be for guys with many many years of control.
So at the end of next season, the Cubs would lose Mookie and Kris Bryant lol without getting a single piece back for 2021?
What usually happens in such situations is a three-way trade. In your example:
Cubs: get mookie from BOS + prospects from StL and/or BOS.
StL: Bryant from Cubs; possible prospects from BOS and/or CHI.
BOS: Gets mix of prospects from StL and CHI.
The reason prospects can shift with all 3 if you may get a blue chip and give up a wild card low a type to balance the ledger. And an area one team has a quality prospect might already be blocked in the farm on another team. So you mix around till everyone gets things they want and need, while not being stuck for example with 2 blue chip 3b on the same AAA team.
Now, I don’t think those particular players are realistic, but, it’s not a likely framework either
There would need to be more involved. The Cubs would essentially be banking on 2020 to go all in and win it all, and then you lose Mookie to FA, and Bryant to the Sox.
And there’s no way the Cubs will ever facilitate a trade that nets the Cards Kris Bryant. Just like the Cards won’t facilitate a trade that nets the Cubs Betts.
AtlSoxFan … what???
So Cubs get Betts and prospects but then the Cubs also send prospects to St. Louis and to Boston? So the Cubs actually do not get Betts and prospects they get Betts and lose both Bryant and prospects.
And Boston gets prospects back for Betts but Boston sends prospects to the Cubs and Cardinals?
Hard to imagine you actually thought of this silly scenario
It’s not an actual or realistic scenario. It’s an example of how multi-team trades work in real life.
In the past, a team would ship out low grade class a lottery ticket prospects with a player and take back higher grade prospects than they would get had they sent a player alone. Thats why there’s a lot of and/or.
Back in the 90s, early 2000s you saw a lot more of that happening. Recent years, not so much.
Go back and read it again
Here’s a recent example of a real 3 way trade since you don’t seem to get how they work:
Dodgers/Braves/Marlins 3 way in 2015
LA to ATL: Hector Olivera (and cash), Paco Rodriguez, Zachary Bird
LA to MIA: Victor Araujo, Kevin Guzman
ATL to MIA: Jeff Brigham
MIA to ATL: competitive balance pick
MIA to LAD: Mike Morse, Mat Latos
ATL to LAD: Alex Wood, Jose Peraza, Bronson Arroyo, Jim Johnson
Everybody both sends and receives at the same time. So in my dumbed down version of a hypothetical (but not actually proposed) example above, yes, every team potentially both sends and receives prospects back. Difference being whether they were blue chip or class a, and pitching or position focused depending on a particular teams wants.
LAD fleeced ATL
Are you serious?
If I have a Kris Bryant, I have no need of a Mookie Betts if Kris Bryant is no longer on my team..
Sign rendon then have Betts and rendon . Betts
Only one more year on Red Sox payroll for Betts, huh? Tell you what, my Padres will swap several guys for that year. RF Hunter Renfroe (to fill the new vacancy), SP Dinelson Lamet and CF Manuel Margot for Betts.
your name really used all the character limits ehh?
Why would the Red Sox want those guys?
I don’t think the RS should WANT those guys, but, my guess is he thinks you get a warm body to replace betts, and the ability to trade/dfa JBJ. Lamet being the kicker.
I don’t think there’s enough talent value there. But I can see why on the selling end they’d like to do it.
Renfroe in that bandbox equals at least 55 HRs. Platoon him for the other ABs. With all the guys your team gets on base, that’ll be a lot of RBIs, unlike the situation in San Diego. You have the platooners to fill in. If that’s “nothing”, then there’s nothing on your club cause none of your roster topped that production.
Dude, renfroe hit .216, with a 30% strikeout rate. Also a whopping .778 ops to go with his .294 OBP.
When the explosive baseball of this year goes, so does his career.
Like I said, Quickdraw, platoon him. He bats RH and versus LHPs he’s at .239 AVG, .331 OBP, .906 OPS, struck out 31 times in 113 ABs. You failed to note that he hit 33 HRs. You know nothing about “explosive baseball(s)”. And if it does exist or if it goes, it’ll be that way for ALL the players—guess, per your logic, their careers will also go?
.239 avg and .331 obp vs. LHP is good?
The whole point he was making is that you can’t trade 1 good player 1 pretty good player and an ok player for a Top 5 player the past 3-5 seasons. Teams will not take that fr that. It’s not equal value. Or even close. You’d have to have two top 50-70 prospects just to get the conversation started.
Here’s a question for your question—why would my Padres want one year of your guy? You boys can’t afford him and you’re gonna get picky with an offer? Got any other offers? If you do, compare them and choose. Or keep the lug and say goodbye after 162 more games. Let’s see how you’re gonna get picky then.
The reason being one year of Betts still has value to a Red Sox team that wants to compete. Renfroe would not hit 55 homers in Boston. Boston is actually not a great place for Homeruns it’s not even too 10 probably about middle of the pack. Betts will be worth far more then that to Boston if that’s all that Boston can get for Betts he stays in Boston.
Is Betts valuable to Boston, even if for only one more year (cause they can’t afford to feed him and don’t have enough bunk beds for one more kid)? Of course he is. But, he’d also be valuable to San Diego (that’s why we want him). RHH Renfroe hit 33HRs with only 113 ABs versus LHPs. He also did it in the clutch (top 3 in MLB with go-ahead homers after the 7th inning) and in one of the hardest ballparks to hit homeruns (Petco). Fenway is a Pony/Babe Ruth size park, so of course Renfroe will hit at least 55 HRs, especially with the protection the Red Sox will give him with their lineup—he’ll get way more ABs and pitches to hit. Trade him now for Renfroe, SP Lamet and Margot (who fits the exact profile of your other OFs). What are you guys gonna do when he runs away from home next year? If you love someone, let him fly away. If he loves you, he’ll come back. Go Andover Blue!
Learn about ballparks before commenting on them once again Fenway is not an easy park to hit homers. Not even a chance in Hell that Renfroe hits 55 homers learn the ballparks pall. Now if you want to say that he will hit for a higher average in Fenway I would agree but 55 homers is just not understanding the ballpark.
You don’t think if the Padres had an opportunity to sign the 2nd best player in baseball to a 1 year 28 million contact they wouldn’t think about it? Especially since their ownership wants to win right now. I think they’d consider it even if it’s gonna cost a couple of prospects and a major league ready player
Betts is not worth that at all. Too steep of a price. As a Padres fan I’d pass.
I can’t speak for Dinelson, but the other 2 are trash. Why would the Sox even entertain this trade?
I’d say your opinion is trash. Who would you want? I’ll let you know what I think. Be bold, actually think of a trade. The kid’s running away from home soon. We could get him then, but would like him now.
Awful lot of trash talk from a team that hasn’t been able to win anything in the past decade
Hey stupid, get it right–we haven’t won anything in the 50 years we’ve been alive. I said that in my name. I’m offering value in trade–the trash is coming from you. Your ATL team, 12 consecutive NL titles and only 1 WS title? That one opponent must’ve been asleep. If you’re a RS fan, 2 titles in 136 years and you think you’re special?
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2 titles in 136 years? What are you talking about? They’ve won 4 this century.
@corazon – it’s pretty clear this is some 9th grade kid that doesn’t know much about baseball if you read the other posts. Basically seems a troll looking to start arguments, not worth answering anymore
That is too much for 1 year of Betts. Unless the Padres were certain to go to the playoffs picking him up on a rental would be regrettable.
Margot would be a good piece to include for Betts because then the Red Sox have a similar center fielder to JBJ and then they can trade him or even non-tender him and save themselves $10 million. Lamet is projected to be a 3 WAR starter if he plays a full season, so he is not someone I would want to trade if I were the Padres GM. Renfroe would be expendable only if the Padres felt they had a replacement ready for 2020 and you are talking about trading two of the Padres OF. Not sure who that would be. Cordero has not been able to stay healthy and I think they traded Jankowski away. .
The Padres might be willing to give up most of those guys if the Red Sox were willing to take on Myers contract though. It’s only a $13.8 million AAV, so it would not be as bad as it seems and he could replace Moreland at 1B.
Maybe something like Myers, Margot, Lucchesi or Lauer, and another young pitcher. Padres could even sweeten the pot a bit by paying some of Myers deal..
Show Me Your Tatis
The Red Sox weren’t going to take Myers in a Betts trade the first 50 times you posted this on here and on Friarhood. Why would they do it this time?
Oh and we both know that you are fully aware of the fact that they already traded Travis Jankowski away.
I love mookie but dodgers have strong young pitchers and a fill in outfielder. Mookie would put them over top next year. Just a thought.
Nice thought. Dodgers would only take Mookie for half a year like they took Machado. You’d be lucky to get Taylor and the Pup Eith the Ring Around His Rye reliever. BTW, NOTHING will get L.A. over the top—they’re dawdling, diddler chokers.
You trade Price and JBJ. You eat about $30M of Price’s contract. Then you trade Betts at the deadline to a contender who will have a trigger finger. Either way, Betts needs to go. He will not be worth the money because his size will bring him a short career, at least a productive one.
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Short carreer????? 6 seasons, 6,879 innings in 780 games played and he is the old age of 26? do you even follow baseball?
But if he were to flame out (as he says) in a year, that’s only 7 seasons, a short career compared to his projection.
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Death to the opposition!!!
BPrice's 77 F-Bombs
Betts and David Price to the Reds in a salary dump?
Why is everyone on the Price hatewagon?
Up until his last 5 starts of the year he was close to an era of 3. I think mid July he sat about 3.16, not that it’s a perfect stat.
Still, what are you going to pay a replacement, how much money will you eat on his contract, and why sacrifice your return by wasting the value in Betts to do it?
Price has 3 more years, I say ride it out as a sunk cost.
I don’t think it’s hate so much as looking for targets for saving money. You could probably save $15-$22MM a year by trading the dude (while eating some of his contract). It all depends on how strongly ownership wants to save that money, and whether or not alternative solutions involving players like Betts or Bogaerts, etc. are preferable.
But what do you replace him with and still save that money? Thats the second half of the equation everyone forgets about.
These sox aren’t Atlanta with a stable of potential SP to plug in at league minimum.
They already lost porcello this offseason and need to replace that production. You sell price, you need to replace him too.
So you’re going to get a lower-class 4/5 SP at 12-14m, plus pay down 15m or so to ship price out… that means you save about 3 or 4m to downgrade at the position, and likely change a 3 yr contract into a 4 or 5 year one for an inferior piece.
Thats what I don’t get. And I don’t see a team giving a young controllable 2/3 level sp with better upside for price, even with 15m paid down.
I have a feeling the Dodgers trade for either Betts or Lindor
That’s not a feeling—the runs are announcing their impending arrival.
Bosox need to dump salary 130MM and build farmsystemT Trade Price’s awful contract and Betts to CWS for R Lopez Stiever, Sheets and Walker. Bosox gets a controlable starting pitcher, a future right or center fielder and build farm system. All 3 propects would be in there top 6. Then bosox sign Castellanos.
Never heard of them….
I think the first and most important thing for bloom to do is get rid of Price. They say the players all like him but that guy is a terrible influence. It wasn’t until he got here that I heard a lot of them talk about how this is a business. This team is so far from what the 04’,07’,and 13’ teams were like. Those teams were lovable and loved the city and fans. But I don’t see that with this team. It’s like since he got here most of the players adapted his personality which sucks! I want to love this team again!! Even when they were winning last year it wasn’t the same. They all seem hollow and only care about themselves and teammates. The biggest reason to get rid of him is just so I don’t have to watch him pitch anymore. My god is that not the death of baseball in a nutshell?
I agree, get rid of Price. My Padres will swap full salaries: We get Price and you guys get Hosmer & Myers. FedEx, Greyhound, Amtrak or in back of an old pickup loaded with pigs?
And that will be a big fat pass!
If I were the Sox GM I’d jump on that offer. Price is always 1 pitch away from an extended stay on the IL. Hosmer is very serviceable and maybe Myers is rehabilitatable.
You must be a Padres fan.
Both those guys are awful
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Lol chill out
Montas, Kaprelian, Mateo and Barreto for Betts.
Is Betts in trouble? Montas, Kaprelian, Mateo & Barreto is a big time law firm.
Who do these guys play for? Have any of them been up for a cup of coffee?
Sorry–they are probably all fine players.
Having been a Sox fan since the 1950’s–if we trade Betts or JD– I would like a good position player and a good pitching prospect.
Moncada and Kopech from the White Sox in exchange for Betts or JD.
I wish people would take marketing into account when discussing financials. Say JD opted out and the Redsox signed Marcell Ozuna- many people would buy all the new Ozuna merchandise produced. That goes to the team and not him and people forget that.
I predict a blockbuster trade between the Redsox and the Mets.
I think you will see David Price and Mookie Betts traded to the New York Mets. This gives the Redsox the cut in payroll they need. In return they take on Cespedes for a year and Edwin Diaz(who they can likely fix and is under control for a while). This makes a great deal of sense for both teams. A switch to the NL would be great for Price at this point and he fills the Wheeler void- Met Rotation- DeGrom, Thor, Price- a very good front three would match up with any team in the playoffs. BVW would have a prize he loves in Betts and would resign him.
Anyone who says it is crazy- the Redsox are cutting payroll and Betts is going to be traded. Diaz is young controllable and can be fixed. You at least get a closer instead of letting him walk and you get out from Prices contract. The Mets are in win now mode and need a center fielder and a pitcher to fill Wheeler’s spot.
I’m lazy. What are the years and total $ on the Cespedes and Diaz deals?
Cespedes makes 29.5 this year, final year of deal.
Diaz has 3 arb years, looking around 7m this year.
Another problem is, sox haven’t had good luck “fixing” relievers in the past and have plenty of projects already for a new coach to take on.
I’d much rather see the sox include cash with mookie to get some young controllable talent and prospects back than have to take an even bigger contract like cespedes. And as I’ve said elsewhere, replacing price in the rotation isn’t coming cheap, unless that replacement is part of the return.
So if you ship out 60m in price/mookie, but take back 38 plus the cost of price’s replacement… I’m not sure the reclamation in diaz plus cespedes downgrade is worth it
I like this concept but see it being Price/JBJ for Diaz and prospects or utility guy. I hope the Sox unload a starters contract and look to resign Mookie.
Still say they need to roll the dice and keep Betts. That way if JD opts our next year you have cleared some space. If they rank half way through the year, trade Price and or Sale. Would rather have a 20 something OF stud then 2 over the hill pitchers
*tank not rank
Would rather have a 20 something OF stud for ONE YEAR than 2 #2/#3 pitchers for multiple years? It’s not like the Sox are in win now mode (or they wouldn’t be talking about the $208MM luxury tax).
I really don’t see sale as tradable at his contract.
I think price may surprise you, but, again, at that point there would be less than 2.5 years left.
At the end of 2020, even if you traded no major pieces, one of two things happens. Either JD opts out of his 19m for 2021, or, something happened and jd declines further.
With betts contract expired, you either automatically drop 28m+ or 52m+ depending on the whole JD thing. Either way, payroll flexibility is restored.
That is why there’s no mandate to trade anyone away this offseason. Just look to see if there’s fair deals that improve the team without sacrificing competitiveness.
Too many commenter take that to mean fire sale and the RS can’t afford guys.
Mookie gets $27,5M for 2020, extend his contract by 5 yrs.w/$150M attached and I am certain is no club out there will top Boston’s offer.
With one year to go Mookie will wait and see.
Mookie is looking for $300 million plus and he is going to get it.
Austin Riley and Inciarte for Betts
The Red Sox might also want a controllable starting pitcher as well, but that seems like a good start. What pitcher would the Braves be willing to give up?,
I hope Porcello resigns with the team. He loves pitching in Boston, n frankly I think someone has messed him up from his Cy Young yr.
Also I hope they trade Mookie cuz allbhe talks about is hitting FA.
I don’t think trading Mookie is the highest priority. Trading one of the Big 3 5 inning starters (Sale, Price, or Evoldi) would likely be a better move if a suitor can be found. Try to negotiate with Mookie and/or sell high at the deadline like the Yankees did a couple years back. With $80m a year tied up for 3 starters who can’t make it 6ip, it doesn’t matter if Mookie is in Boston or not.
Of the three price is probably the one you want to keep. Problem is, what makes his the most desirable contract to keep is the thing that makes it remorely tradable which the other two arent.
Eovaldi was overpaid with DD bidding against himself.
Sale, same thing. Last year highlighted everything people worry about – inability to last a season, plus concern about the arm after years of workload and delivery+body type. He has an even larger contract than price in AAV kicking in, and, 5 years of it. That plus the conservative treatment and rehab, you don’t really know what you’re gonna get.
Price is in his last 3 years, and, aside from the late 2019 injury which should have healed up, has pitched well since 2018. Price is the deal you want to ride out to expire, I just don’t see moving the other two.
Sale has the most upside
What you say makes a lot of sense. I do think trading Price to keep Mookie would be an addition by subtraction. Then, just hope Sale can be productive to some degree throughout his contract (which I think we know what we are really going to get) … if we could only trade Evoaldi and Rusney Castillo for the rest of Bobby Bonilla contact …
I could see the Dodgers offering up Corey Seager and a fleet of pitching prospects and/or their catching prospect Ruiz. I don’t know if they would pay that much for him, but I think they’re one of the few competing teams that would entertain the idea.
They wouldn’t deal to the Yankees, don’t think Houston would be in on the deal, other competing teams are too prospect poor and salary constrained to make it happen.
Even though the Pirates have said that they are going to keep Marte, I say trade him to Boston for Mookie Betts
We should create a list of GM’s responsible for good and bad contracts.
Dave Dombrowski is an outstanding trader. However, he is among the worst all-time controlling long term payroll.
Got to love Boston fans, when they were winning the World Series Dombrowski was the golden boy. At the time I said Boston was getting hurt big time being over the luxury tax threshold and was promptly told that the owner had so much money it wasn’t an issue. Well Boston didn’t do well this past season it had nothing to do with Dombrowski because essentially it was the exact team they won with in 2018 but now Dombrowski is history and everyone is scrambling to save pennies. At the end of 2020 win or lose Boston Red Sox will look totally different. Betts, and Bradley will be gone
Price will likely be traded, and JD will again have the chance to opt out, But look at the upside they will have Sale with the tender arm and Evoldi with a medicore record Cashman and Roderquiz to hang they hopes on
This ownership has won 4 championships in the last 16 years. I have faith in this Ownership.
I cant see the Red Sox trading Bogaerts under any circumstances. It will be very interesting to see how they handle the Mookie Betts situation this off-season. I think Rick Porcello, a jersey native, is a logical fit for the Mets with him being a fly ball pitcher that’s used to playing in a big market.
Mookie Betts has a great situation before him. the Red Sox are eager to lock him into a defined longer-term contract. they see people like Machado and Bryce Harper get huge contracts so they know where they have to come in at approximately to keep mookie in Boston. I think it makes a lot of sense for mookie to listen and try to work something out for two reasons at least. First if he gets injured he will have a contract now 2 protect him. Second he is loved in Boston. if he loves it in Boston then I hope he will work something out as the fans on this site for the most part seem to be hoping he will work it out in Boston.
I read on the Red Sox web page the suggestion of trading Price. Price has three years left on a guaranteed contract worth 96 mil (32mil per year) The article suggests if the Sox were to trade him they would have to pick up a significant part of the contract, My question is if you were to trade Price what part of the 32 mil per year would the buying club offer up and how much would Boston be willing to cover just to see Price gone.
And if they trade Price , given the past history of Evoldi really make him a starter.