Brewers’ star reliever Josh Hader is “available” in trade, reports the Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal. While Rosenthal indicates that no deal is close, Hader’s inclusion on the trade market could make for one of the more fascinating storylines of the coming months.
The 25-year-old southpaw has emerged as perhaps the best reliever in baseball since making his MLB debut in 2017. For his career, Hader has tossed 204.2 relief innings with a 2.42 ERA and an otherworldly 44.6% strikeout rate. Working without a set role and capable of handling multiple innings in an outing, Hader has exceeded 75 innings each of the last two seasons, all the while recording dominant strikeout numbers.
If there’s a blemish on Hader’s resume, he was a bit home run prone in 2019. He was hardly unique in that regard, of course, but Hader’s 15 home runs allowed pushed his ERA to a career-worst (albeit still stellar) 2.62. That’s not to diminish, though, just how dominant Hader has been. His 47.8% strikeout rate last year was easily the league’s best (minimum 50 innings); the 6.1 percentage point gap between Hader and second-place Nick Anderson equaled the gap between Anderson and fifteenth-place Chris Sale.
Why would the Brewers consider moving Hader coming off back-to-back playoff berths of which he was an integral part? Rosenthal argues it’s simply the nature of being a low payroll organization; the front office can never afford to completely shut itself out from any opportunity. That’s not to say Hader’s priced himself out of Milwaukee. Hader qualified for Super Two and is projected for an extremely affordable $4.6MM salary, although Rosenthal notes that Hader’s reps at CAA figure to argue for something a bit greater based on Hader’s status as a player of “special accomplishment.”
Regardless of whether that argument proves successful, Hader certainly remains a bargain. He won’t be eligible for free agency until after the 2023 season. His employer, be it the Brewers or some eventual trade partner, wouldn’t be committed to any long-term expenditure if he were to regress and/or suffer an injury. Perhaps no reliever in history can boast of Hader’s recent combination of dominance and volume.
One speculative target whom Rosenthal points to is the Mets, although he adds it’s unclear if New York and Milwaukee have actually discussed a Hader trade. New York is certainly on the hunt for bullpen help, and Mets’ GM Brodie Van Wagenen co-represented Hader at CAA before taking over in Flushing. As Rosenthal notes, Van Wagenen has shown an affinity for pursuing his former clients in trade and/or free agency. While the Mets’ farm system has been depleted in recent months (most notably when Van Wagenen parted with Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn to bring in former client Robinson Canó), Rosenthal speculates that New York could move pieces directly off its big league roster to facilitate a deal.
That said, virtually every present contender- or team angling towards contention in the near future- figures to have some level of interest in Hader. He’s affordable enough to fit into any team’s budget, and he would be the biggest weapon in essentially any bullpen he’s part of. As Rosenthal notes, some clubs could have concerns that Hader’s unconventionally high volume might eventually catch up with him. To this point, though, Hader’s shown no sign of letting up. Any slight downturn in performance in 2019 can be explained by the liveliness of the baseball, and he’s never had a stint on the injured list.
With all the appeals in Hader’s profile, Milwaukee has little urgency to make a move. If no one meets their exorbitant asking price, the Brewers could certainly bring Hader back and hope for similar dominance moving forward. Listening to offers is hardly the same as aggressively shopping a player. Perhaps nothing will come together in the long run.
Yet Hader’s situation will be fascinating to follow. With free agency starved for relievers, teams set on acquiring one with a high-end track record will have to work the trade market. No one can quite match the track record Hader’s put together over the past few seasons, setting the stage for a potential blockbuster.
RobertREscobar
Dodgers Need To Trade For Him For Gavin Lux,Jeren Kendall, Keibert Ruiz And Another Medium Prosepct+ Cash
andrewgauldin
Dodgers are a lot smarter than that. No way they trade that much in prospect value for a reliever.
RobertREscobar
It Would Be A Fair Deal Dodgers Get A Long Term Left Handed Reliever They Been Needing And Brewers Get A Guy That Can Is Versatille And Has Power+ A Good Catcher Plus After Losing Grandal And Pina Struggling I Can See Jeren Kendall Staying
andrewgauldin
Fair or not, I can’t see the dodger doing that. They have been reluctant to trade top prospects since Friedman stepped in. If they start now, maybe for Mookie or an ace, but not a reliever
mcdusty49
That’s a hefty price for a reliever
Baseball 1600
Ok But Why Do You Have To Capitalize All The Words You Type
GeoKaplan
because folks accuse him of being e. e. cummings.
phillyballers
Is It Exhausting Capitalizing Every Word?
RootedInOakland
Hader, Braun and Suter for Seager, Ruiz and Joc
Brewers get a 2 year replacement/upgrade for Moose, a Grandal replacement/franchise catcher, and a potential lineup changer in a “contract-year-Joc”
Dodgers get one of the most dominant relievers in the league for 4 years, a RHB to better fit their 2020 lineup than Joc, and another LHP swing reliever/SP for them to mold
juanpursuit
It would be a horrible deal for LA.
fox471 Dave
No, Robert, just no!
fox471 Dave
Seager is not going anywhere. Why would anyone want Braun?
enricopallazzo
The trade isn’t realistic but Braun can hit, that hasn’t changed. He’ll miss some time and isn’t an MVP caliber player, but look at his stats.
canocorn
pEOPLE aRE sTRANGE
mrmet17
And not use punctuation…
myaccount
@Rooted
Braun has 10/5 rights.
@budselig6969
Why do you capitalize every word?
Aaron Sapoznik
MrMet17: Great artists like Jim Morrison get a pass for punctuation.
xixbia
It’s not even close to fair. Full control of Ruiz is worth about the same as 4 years of Hader and Lux is worth about twice that. The package you described is one for Yelich, not Hader.
xixbia
Hader Brown and Suter could bring back one of Ruiz/Seager and maybe Joc Pederson, but not both. Hader is getting seriously overvalued here.
mustang66
Lux will be a multiple batting title winner. They would need to really want Hader to part with Lux
Domingo111
I agree that is too much. Lux is ranked 9 overall and ruiz 11 overall by the fangraphs top 100. You don’t get a top10 overall prospect, let alone two for a reliever, even a controlled, young elite one.
Fair value would a 15-20 ranked guy and a back end top100, similar to the diaz deal of the mets or the andrew miller deal.
Maybe they could get one of lux or ruiz (which is already better than kelenic and frazier were ranked at the time) but that is already a hefty price and then the second piece would be a very back end top100 or slightly outside top 100 50fv.
Both is definitely way too much and the dodgers might even balk giving up one of them.
spinach
You sound silly differentiating between a top-10 prospect and a top-15 prospect.. do you know how fluid and imprecise those rankings are?
Domingo111
Yes, I wanted to simplify it.If you want to get that granular of course it is about FV tiers and not ranks. That being said the performance gap between the 7th ranked prospect and the 20th ranked is likely higher than between 70th and 100th (both 50 fvs).
Basically I’m saying you don’t get a 65 fv as a headliner and even a 60 is tough to sell but if you get your 60 which is not impossible than the second piece is certainly only a 50. Suggesting to get 2 60s like the poster suggested with ruiz and lux is totally unrealistic, the usual price for those top relievers is a 55-60 plus a 50fv prospect.
Chasssooo
I agree, that’s way too much to give up.
Mikel Grady
Dodgers blew game 5 of nlds. 2 runs in 8th. Hader could have shut the door . Lights out reliever kinda important . Jansen on decline and won’t be there forever
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Like he did in the wild card game?…… I had to.
Donkatsu
Against the same team the Dodgers lost to….
amk3510
Shut the door??? He was literally in the same situation up 3-1 in the 8th vs the Nats and failed.
wv17
Priceless.
Mikel Grady
Ha ha was waiting for that one . But don’t you like his chances over everyone else. Chapman choked it against Davis in game 7 but would never had been there without him . Hader is a stud
differentbears
Dodgers lost that 3-1 lead with Maeda, Kelly, Kolarek (for Soto) in the bullpen. They didn’t blow the lead for lack of bullpen options. They blew the lead because of bullpen mismanagement.
Besides, Hader literally blew it in the same situation to the same team in the Wild Card game, the only difference is Kershaw is a starter and shouldn’t have been in there, whereas Hader was used in the exact role he’s fit for.
There are no guarantees.
jorge78
Back up the Brinks truck!
StandUpGuy
Why isn’t this guy a starter yet? He has dominant stuff and goes 3 innings at a time relatively frequently. I kinda saw this coming when they cut the arbitration service time down to 2.114 years this season and Harder has exactly 2.115 years of service time. The Brewers really expected him at the league minimum of less than $500,000 and now they realize they have to pay him more than nine times that. Hader made the cut by literally the smallest margin ever in MLB history. 0.001 years. That is 1/1,000th of a year. What is that? Like 8 or 9 hours? If Hader’s first MLB game with the Brewers started 9 hours later the Brewers would have saved over $4 million next season. Anyway… I think the Braves should offer Shane Greene, Darren O’Day and (the best part) an old cup that Chipper Jones spit his dip in. The Brewers can cryogenically freeze it and extract Chippers DNA when it finally becomes legal to clone people. Then the Brewers can have Greene and O’Day to replace Hader and then they will get an entire career of Chipper in the future. It’s a long game play but I don’t think anyone doubts that an entire career of Chipper is worth significantly more that the rest of Hader’s career. What do you think, Jorge?
herecomethephillies2018
2.114 years of service time doesn’t mean 2 years and 11.4%, it’s 2 years and 114 days. So he qualified by 2 days, which definitely isn’t the “smallest margin in history”. For someone who knows everything I’m surprised you don’t even know how to read service time correctly…
CFAP
Stand up guy doesn’t know shiiit. He acts like he does. Whoever thought that service time meant hours is quite out of touch with how things work.
lewisbrinsonisgod
Not to mention Hader has pitched 3 innings exactly 6 times in his career, 3 of which were in 2017 and 2 of which where in the playoffs.
myaccount
Stand Up Guy is the worst poster on here
StandUpGuy
Oh God… Here comes the hate parade. I wasn’t even talking to you losers. I was talking to my friend Jorge. It was literally a direct response to his comment. Did y’all not notice that I referred to Jorge (and only Jorge) in that response? And I followed up the “8 or 9 hours?” statement with a question mark. It wasn’t even a statement. It was a flat out question. I didn’t pretend to know. The point was that it was a miniscule amount of time relative to a 162 game season. If the Brewers had brought him up literally a game or 2 later they would be saving over $4 million next season and we probably wouldn’t even be reading this article right now because the Brewers would want to keep him at the 80% discount. Oh, wait… I’m sorry. It’s probably closer to something like an 89.112% dicount or something and I didn’t get the number exactly right. Now y’all get to jump all over that. I probably made some grammatical errors you can all point out as well since you clearly have nothing better to do. For a group of people that hate all my comments you sure spend a lot of time reading them and commenting about it, which is a lot more than I can say for any of you. I don’t even know who you are or remember anythibg any of you posted. I don’t even recognize your names but you all seem to read all my posts and try to edit them like a 5th grade teacher. You guys are some serious losers.
rct
“Why isn’t this guy a starter yet? He has dominant stuff and goes 3 innings at a time relatively frequently.”
He has done this exactly once over the past two and a half seasons (133 appearances over that stretch). That is not ‘frequently’, even relatively speaking.
BuddyBoy
Massive overpay for Hader. I wouldn’t trade Lux alone for him
juanpursuit
Agree
fox471 Dave
Agree!
bencole
Dodgers aren’t giving up that kinda haul for a reliever
Mikel Grady
Exactly , World Series rings are so overrated :-).
Vin Scully
The Dodgers should make a run at Hader. I do think your suggestion is a slight overpay.
amk3510
Slight? Lux alone is laughable for any relief pitcher.
sufferforsnakes
That sounds closer to a package for someone like Lindor.
Priggs89
That sounds like a significant overpay for Lindor at this point. Not enough cheap control left for that type of package.
bklynny67
LOL that’s a horrible trade for the Dodgers. I’m sure they learned from the Mets that you don’t give up that type of prospect value for a reliever. They can fall off any minute.
brewscrew
You can’t just go spouting off that anyone would learn anything from the Mets…haha.
I love Hader, he’s a bullpen anchor for sure. There’s a package that includes Lux that could make sense, but I don’t think the Dodgers need him that bad.
Mikel Grady
Cubs gave up Torres for Chapman . Great outcome for Cubs . Won World Series . How many does Torres have ?
Wilford Brimley
I think we’re still supposed to be angry at Hader for his racist tweets he made as a teenager.
Let me check with Keith Law to see if we’re still outraged and want him out of baseball.
mfm420
nah, the outrage is mainly limited to people like you making up stuff like that.
besides, don’t you have a fake war on xmas to fight?
happy holidays (oh wait, that triggered you, sorry*)
*not actually sorry
jbigz12
Mfm thank you for the cancerous post.
fox471 Dave
Irony mfm, irony.
R.D.
Brewers have Arcia, Hirua, and Urias now, I imagine they’d want Verdugo, a catcher, or an SP before a middle infielder.
That deal seems fair sans Lux tbh.
pageian
R.D. my thought exactly. Lux is a good prospect but right now the Brewers don’t really need him. If they’re planning to contend next year they might want something else. They just traded for a young middle infielder.
johnrealtime
@RObertREscobar Did every word in your comment begin with a capital letter because it is the headline of a blog post of yours that you copy/pasted?
differentbears
Where does this rank on the list of ridiculously lopsided trade proposals? Lux alone is almost certainly an overpay.
This is what would be initially offered as the basis for acquiring a superstar like Yelich. It may not quite be enough, but the Brewers don’t immediately hang up either.
allweatherfan
Make it happen.
jacobsigel1025
If the Brewers sign a starting pitcher and upgrade at catcher, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t compete for a playoff spot and not much of a reason to trade Hader. However, part of me would love to see what they can get for 4 years of Hader.
BuddyBoy
Brewers should get Narvaez from the Mariners. Obviously this wouldn’t have anything to do with Hader.
Shawnpe
Navarro can hit, but is one of the worst defensive catchers in the bigs.
kmole
Do you really think the Brewers are one starting pitcher and a mediocre catcher (that’s all that is available) away from being ACTUAL contenders? Going on the assumption Moose leaves (I think somebody is going to pay him finally, and not the Brewers) they will have lost 2 of their top 3 position players. They barely snuck in to the playoffs. They traded away Davies who had a good year. The Brewers are 5-6 players from being world series contenders. They currently don’t have an adequate 3B, SS, 1B, SP, SP, SP. As much as like Cain and Braun, who knows what you will get out of them because of their age and recent injury history. Things will have to go near perfect for the Brewers to be where they were 2 seasons ago, when they still didn’t have enough to go to the ‘ship. As a realistic Brewer fan, we need to get our heads out of the sand and realize a downfall is coming without some good luck in trades.
cubsnomore
Plus the Brewers were busted for cameras in the outfield. So I would expect a decline in hitting overall for them.
My guess is someone will make the Brewers a trade they can’t turn down. That will begin a mini rebuild for them. The Yankees value relief
pitching and seem like they would be players in a trade.
Cards walk away with the division.
kmole
The only people that think the Brewers were cheating are a bunch of Cubs fans since their biased media started that claim. There is no proof of it except a grainy snap shot of a video in which Yu steps off against Yelich. So now every time a pitcher steps off against a cub batter, I would expect cub loser media to freak out saying the Cubs are electronically stealing signs. Nobody credible showed anything proving the Brewers were cheating. Every team has cameras in the outfield btw.
colonel flagg
Are those cameras being stored in Ukraine?
Johhos
If he is truly available …Phillies please….
Brixton
probably not, honestly. Opportunity cost is real high there.
T_Rexx2
I don’t think they have the prospects.
jbigz12
Phil’s would probably have to send them Bohm, Howard and the kid they just took in the first. That’d be a farm cleaner.
eyesaiah
this has washington nationals written all over it
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
Agreed. Aside from Trent Grisham and Dave Roberts, there’s nobody else more deserving of a 2019 World Series ring.
fox471 Dave
Dave Roberts should not have a job, much less a World Series ring.
ForestCobraAL
NOPE
Nats farm is empty.
ncaachampillini
Blahbady, blah, blah, blah. He’s not going anywhere. Why would the Brewers even pretend to say this? Angels could offer Adell (they wouldn’t) and the Brewers would say no. Brewers will treat Hader as the Hader of last year, other teams will value him as the not as impressive version of himself from this year. Stalemate. Nothing’s gonna happen.
delete
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. If the Angels offered the Brewers Adell for a RP, the Brewers would accept and send thank you cards daily for the next decade.
bencole
Yup this
Shawnpe
Yes. We’d never get Adell in return for Hader.
hiflew
Don’t think this cant happen. Chapman got Gleyber Torres in return who was just as big a prospect and Chapman didn’t have nearly the amount of team control as Hader. Honestly I think it would take someone like Adell + a couple of other guys to get him. Angel fans may not like that, but if Hader is traded, that will most likely be the typ of return involved. Just think about the massive hauls for Ken Giles to the Astros or Diaz to the Mets. Dominant relievers fetch massive hauls and no one is more dominant right now than Hader.
ncaachampillini
See this is exactly what I mean. I bet the Brewers execs look at this like a Brewers fan would. They’d say they need Adell+ when nobody would ever offer any even close to that.
Marytown1
A team that needs a dominant closer knows the demand is high and supply of Hader types is non existent. Brewers have no need to move him so…
delete
No. Gleyber was never near as big a prospect as Adell is.
hiflew
Baseball America pre-2018 #6 Gleyber Torres
Baseball America pre-2019 #6 Jo Adell
MLB pre-2018 #5 Gleyber Torres
MLB pre-2019 #14 Jo Adell
Baseball Prospectus pre-2018 #3 Gleyber Torres
Baseball Prospectus pre-2019 #2 Jo Adell
Literally took two clicks to research. If anything, Torres was overall very slightly bigger than Adell. But you can see whatever you want to see I guess.
ncaachampillini
Everything you just showed ranking wise is indeed correct…..for the years you reference.
Problem is the Cubs traded Torres to the Yankees in 2016 and his Baseball America ranking then was #41. He was a pretty well regarded prospect back then but in no way looked at as Adell is looked at now.
xixbia
The Chapman trade was a terrible trade made palatable only because it got the Cubs their first WS in over a century. You’d be hard pressed to find any FO who would make that trade today. The Giles trade did not come close to panning out, and the Diaz trade was terrible. While it might be true that some FO will make a similar deal, it would almost certainly be a mistake.
jbigz12
Gotta love the dbag comment accompanied by completely irrelevant information. Adell is considered far superior than any of those guys We’re at the time of trade.
hiflew
Fair point, except he wasn’t traded pre-2016, he was traded MID 2016. He had already vaulted up the ranking by then. He was easily a top 10-15 prospect at the time of the deal. I would say that the pre-2017 rankings of #3 from BA and #5 from MLB can apply here.
Either way even if Gleyber was 10-20 lower on the list when he was traded, he was traded for a guy with two months of control. Hader has four YEARS of control remaining. I stand by my belief that it would take Adell + more to get him.
jbigz12
Adell is the type of potential superstar prospect that doesn’t get turned down. There are a couple of prospects that is above the upper tier of prospects. Adell is one of those guys. Along w Wander Franco and some others.
ChiSoxCity
Pretty fart smeller this one is.
jbigz12
Very clever comment all the way from the South Side.
Aaron Sapoznik
‘Purdy’
fox471 Dave
Not bad, chi.
jorge78
Too bad the Orioles traded him away for Bud…..
airyordan
The Orioles didn’t trade him the astros did for Mike Fiers and Carlos Gomez
airyordan
My apologies Astros got him from the orioles
pc01
And the Astros probably never thought that trade could possibly get any worse…
pageian
pc01, lol. That trade just keeps on giving… Black eye for the.’Stros that one was.
andrewgauldin
Brewers ought to rebuild if they struggle early in the season. They can’t compete in that division. Explore trades involving Hader, Yelich, Cain, Woodruff, Claudio, Nelson, Braun. Brauns contract is almost up. Let Cain rebuild his value. Let yelich get healthy, and have a solid few months. I’d blow things up mid season if they struggle.
brandons-3
I’d say in about 12-18 months you’ll see Yelich’s name plowing through the rumor mill. Unless you’re going to drastically tear down everything very quickly it doesn’t make sense from any perspective to trade anyone of prominence this offseason.
Long story short, teams like the Brewers and Rockies better be careful to not end up like the Royals and Orioles post playoff runs.
Brixton
They won 89 games with not much from SS, the bench, CF, or Jimmy Nelson, plus lost Yelich for a few weeks at the end. I think they’ll be fine in that division. Cubs are declining, the Reds arent really that great.
Brewers vs Cardinals isnt very one sided in either direction.
andrewgauldin
Cubs are still good. Pirates can’t be much worse, Reds are going to be better. And Cardinals are strong. Sure they lost Yelich, but he played out of his mind, whose to say he repeats? They didn’t get anything from SS and CF, do you really think it’s going to be different this season? Grandal and probably Moose are gone, that’s huge. The pitching staff looks rough…
Like I said, give it a few months into the season, but I think they should tear it down mid season if they struggle. Too many question marks with this team
Matfactor2
You are saying the Reds aren’t good when they basically split the series against the Brewers….
9-8. Tell me that’s not competitive
Brixton
its a small sample size. Overall I don’t think their roster is going to compete for the division, but then again theres still a whole offseason and trade deadline until we make that kind of call.
jbigz12
It’d be an absolute shame to see the Brewers tear it down. The team does have an absolute garbage farm system. If they think Hader can bring them back 2-3 impact prospects that aren’t very far off; Maybe you do entertain that. They do have to work on the margins here but Braun’s money is gone after this year.
They really just need starting pitching. And a corner man or two. Corner men are very cheap to acquire so that’s not an issue. The Padres deal gives them a potential legitimate SS for years to come. The rotation will be a challenge but I think the team is way too talented to tear it down to the studs. I don’t see this team like I did the White Sox before they tore it down. They’re better than that.
xixbia
I think the farm system is the core of the issue. They’re a 89 win team with an 81 win 1st and 87 win 3rd order record. That’s not a bad basis to build from, but with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and limited funds it’s hard to see it work out to the level where they can make a real run for a WS.
That being said it’s not like tearing it all down and rebuilding will give anything close to a guarantee of that either. Hader and Yelich could bring back significant prospects, but unless they hit on most of what they bring back they might just be back in the same position a few years from now, having missed their opportunity.
dewssox79
not compete in that division? 2018 they won the division.2019 a WC team. stupid post.
delete
And after declining from 2018 to 2019 and barely squeaking into the playoffs in 2019, they have already lost Grandal and Moustakas, and have several major regression candidates. Imagine calling someone else’s post stupid while posting your trash
Vanilla Good
Yes they lost Grandal and Moustakas. They also have the extra money they’re not paying them this year. Plus money saved from Thames, Chase Anderson, Zach Davies, probably Jimmy Nelson, maybe Arcia. If you think they’re anywhere near done with this roster you are hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.
jbigz12
“Several major regression candidates” yeah that probably sounded good when you wrote it. Probably not real factual though. I can think of more Brewers that had down years last season than uncharacteristically good ones.
andrewgauldin
Exactly. Lots of things have to go there way. Too many question marks. Capitalize on Yelich and Hader’s trade value.
bdpecore
Like what? Yelich, Hiura, Cain, Braun is an above average lineup. Im one who believes giving Urias full time ABs will only improve his offensive production.
Now consider the fact they have about $40-45MM still available to spend this offseason and I see no reason why they won’t be in contention to win the NL Central next season. Heck they could add Donaldson and Wheeler if so inclined (not to say they should although Donaldson would be fun to watch at Miller Park).
2id
“Several Major regression candidates”. Please tell us who is going to regress. Or did you just copy that line from Fangraphs?
Aaron Sapoznik
The Brewers can’t compete in a division with juggernauts like the Cardinals, Cubs, Reds and Pirates? lol
Bds258
Welcome to Atlanta??????? Lol
GreenCustom24
I’d cry at the prospect cost… But that freakin bullpen would be epic.
chicagofan1978
He’s not available, but he’s a one trick pony and the brewers probably realize it now
Vanilla Good
One trick: getting outs
kmole
Two I guess: winning reliever if the year awards.
chicagofan1978
Nationals laugh at that
Yount's Home Town
But Cubs fans don’t…
kmole
Game set match?
chicagofan1978
I’m sure they don’t, luckily I’m a Sox fan and I couldn’t care less about him
kmole
You could care less about him but come on a message board to post about him? Makes sense.
Aaron Sapoznik
How many ‘tricks’ does a reliever need to have to be effective? All the ones in the HOF are pretty much “one trick ponies”.
Freaking Mariano Rivera only threw fastballs, primarily a cutter with an occasional 4-seam and 2-seam mixed in, with velocities in the low to mid-90’s. What made him great was his command and mixing up his location. Hitters pretty much knew what was coming (his cutter) and they still couldn’t hit him.
DarkSide830
hr has about as many tricks as any reliever could have.
bdpecore
Clearly he doesn’t need any more since he’s been dominant since entering the league. But you keep telling yourself this if it helps you dream of the Cubs getting back to the postseason sooner.
chicagofan1978
He throws fastballs, the league already figured him out. Look at his homerunbrate last year. Oh and bdpecore not a Cub fan but keep trying
bdpecore
He actually has an above average slider which is used regularly as an out pitch along with a serviceable sinker and change up which he rarely uses anymore since relievers don’t need to mix things up as often to keep hitters off balance.
Also how does him giving up 6 more HR (15 vs. 9) this season compared to 2018, while showing improvement in all other areas? ERA+ 2019: 170, 2018: 168; WHIP 0.806, 0.811; SO/BB 6.90, 4.77. And if you want to say his ERA went up well I hardly think it going up .19 to a horrendous 2.62 shows he’s been “figured out” by the league. I’m gonna chalk up his increased HR count to the juices ball since most pitchers saw an uptick in HRs in 2019.
Finally, my apologies for calling you a Cubs fan instead of simply a bitter Chicago fan who outside of the Blackhawks has nothing but disappointing franchises to cheer for.
chicagofan1978
Yeah never mind those 6 bulls championships with the greatest player in history. You got me on the Bears
bdpecore
Typical Chicago fan who chooses to focus on the “glory days” when they have nothing worth cheering for in the present. I can’t think of the last time I’ve ever heard a Bucks fan talk about the good ole days when we were winning championships with Kareem and Oscar. You do realize that was over 20 years ago, right? How long will you continue to use that as a shield while Riesdorff makes your favorite franchises perennial bottom dwellers?
chicagofan1978
You pointed out how Chicago has nothing to cheer for other than the Blackhawks. I assumed you meant in the history of Chicago sports cause I don’t know if you follow hockey or not but the Blackhawks suck now.
2id
Just because the Cubs “One Trick Pony” in Kimbrel couldn’t even turn his tricks doesn’t mean Hader can’t.
nymetsking
Mets for Kelenic and… oh.
PapiElf
Tigers? Anyone would be appreciated to assist our exceptionally bad bullpen!
MetsFanaticDanny
I don’t believe the Brewers will actually trade Hader, he’s invaluable to their bullpen. However, being a Mets fan, it would be a DREAM to have Hader in Flushing. The thought of a Hader/Diaz combo is crazy(and yes, I believe Edwin Diaz will bounceback). I can see the Mets offering Brandon Nimmo, Robert Gsellman & a decent prospect or two to facilitate a trade. Normally I would include Andres Gimenez in any speculative package but being that the Brewers just acquired Luis Urias & have Keston Hiura at 2B, I doubt Gimenez would interest them much. Maybe a prospect like Thomas Szapucki could peg their interest, he could become a Hader-like pitcher.
jbigz12
Nimmo and Gsellman + a decent prospect isn’t going to do anything. This is going to be a package that hurts any team if they’re willing to give it up. Think about what you gave up for Diaz last year. There’s no reason to think Hader doesn’t have that much value.
He also doesn’t come attached with a 36 yo declining 2B . It’s going to sting real bad if someone is to acquire Hader.
bencole
^this
MetsFanaticDanny
I agree, which is why I believe the Brewers won’t trade him. Maybe if the Mets added J.D. Davis to the deal, that would definitely get their attention. Let’s say, Davis, Nimmo, Gsellman, Shervyen Newton, David Peterson & Szapucki for Hader & Aaron Ashby. That’s a hefty offer.
Shawnpe
There is no way the Brewers would be after Nimmo and/or Gsellman as the “prize” return for Hader.
It seems they’d be looking at a ML ready SP, 3B or C in a deal. These are the biggest needs, unless they believe Nelson & Burns have fixed their respective issues of injury and command, and will be solid rotation contributors.
Gsellman is unimpressive every time I’ve watched him pitch. Perhaps I’m just missing his good games.
phenomenalajs
Most likely, if it were to happen, Lugo would be in the deal instead of Gsellman.
MetsFanaticDanny
@Shawnpe Dude, did you miss the part where I put J.D. Davis as the prize of the package??? Don’t make an idiotic reply when you CLEARLY misread my comment. The package would be highlighted by J.D. Davis with the INCLUSION of Nimmo, Gsellman & prospects. Plus, the Brewers would absolutely want a pitcher like Gsellman in return because he can be used as both a SP or RP and he’s projected to make only $1.2 million in 2020. If the Brewers could get two young controllable MLB regulars along with a major league pitcher and get prospects on top of that, you better believe they would be interested. They have Saladino plugged in at 3B on Roster Resource for crying out loud. They would LOVE to plug Davis in at 3B with 5 years of team control.
vtadave
Wow a package highlighted by a 26-year-old third baseman with very little track record. I’m sure the Brewers would be all over this.
MetsFanaticDanny
They would be. Learn how the business of baseball works smarta$$.
bdpecore
I would think any deal starts with either Maurico or Baty. There is no way the Brewers would trade Hader away without getting at least one top 100 prospect in return then one of D. Smith or J.D. Davis would be included as a secondary piece. Finally a couple lefties like Peterson and Szapucki to round out the deal. This might seem like a significant haul but it’s actually considered a bit light by the website Baseball Trade Values. The sight thinks this package including D. Smith would be considered fair value for 4 years of Hader.
findingnimmo
Just got the record, that deal also got two bad contracts off the books for the Mets too to free up roster spots for other players such as JD Davis
jbigz12
The Mets added how much money in that trade? More than the Mariners you say?
That’s my point. A Hader trade involves no bad money being taken on. Equivalent value to Kelenic and Dunn would be the reasonable floor for a Hader trade.
stan lee the manly
The Mets have no top prospect power. The only way they even come close to obtaining Hader is if the overwhelm the Brewers with quantity rather than quality. Add two of their top five prospects to “Gsellman, Nimmo, and a decent prospect or two.
stan lee the manly
And you might prevent the Brewers from hanging up the phone. But the Mets won’t be willing to part with the sheer volume of that trade, so the idea of Hader in New York is pretty much a pipe dream.
mkeyankee
Sorry, any mets trade for Hader involves roy pete alonso.
Chris Koch
Agreed. Alonso+a lottery type arm that down the road is a RP at worst. You’re trading to be competitive in 2020. Not prospects/failed prospects that were highly thought of.
mustang66
If you guys a Siri is your ad of your freaking minds
chicagofan1978
Que?
jim stem
But the do need 1b, 3b and to unload Braun’s contract. Dom Smith, JD Davis,Gsellman and either Matz or Syndergaard to the Brewers for Hader, Braun, an of prospect and a catcher? Fills 1b, 3b and maybe top spots in the Brewers rotation.
mustang66
Lux will be a multiple batting title winner. They would need to really want Hader to part with LuxMets fan also. I think it would take Dom Smith, Mark Vientos and Mauricio to pull ot off. I’m not including Mauricio but if they want Gimenez and flip him or mouse him as Urias insurance I would do it
Ben 20
Mariners got steak, Mets got ham
Aaron Sapoznik
That especially had to piss off Fred Wilpon. lol
hiflew
Steak? Neither of the prospects have done anything worth comparing to steak. They are at best, veal.
mustang66
So far
Dan LeBlanc
Unless some MLB Gm has gone insane in the membrane ,there will be no Stearns worthy offers made to the Brewers this winter .that will be enough to pry Josh Hader away from the Brewers. This is pure Hot Stove bull crap. It sure is a slow week.
SupremeZeus
Every team will inquire, no team will meet the asking price.
canocorn
Brewers Willing To Listen On Josh Hader Trade
— Doubt they’d deal him within their division, but it just sounds right he become a cub Hader.
tjmacari
If the A’s pulled off a Josh Hader deal (I know they are looking to possibly trade Blake Treinan, Josh Phegley, and Profar), he could be a game-changer for them. Last year they won 97 games despite blowing 31 saves (most in MLB!)
seamaholic 2
Whole lotta bad teams in AL!
seamaholic 2
Smart. Someone’s gonna sell the farm for him and deeply regret it. Bullpen arms are bullpen arms. Only a few are consistent year to year and Hader’s arm action is just brutal. You do not want your team to go down this path.
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
Brewers really want to rid themselves of the bad juju from the Wild Card game.
david klein
God not again Brodie you got fleeced for one reliever already
jbigz12
If there’s a silver lining—the MLB isn’t the NFL or NBA so Brodie can’t screw the Mets draft for the next decade.
But realistically, Brodie doesn’t have the pieces to make that happen. Not unless he plans on a full gut of the system. Even at that, his best prospects are years off (Baty, Mauricio) So Mets fans probably won’t be seeing another Edwin Diaz deal.
hiflew
Sure he can. He just has to wait six months t trade the guys he drafts instead of doing it before the draft.
jbigz12
He can’t trade draft picks that occur after he gets fired….. That was what you missed here.
Skraxx
I feel like this is a move the Dodgers would make, considering the interest in Vazquez earlier (before all the terrible stuff)
megaj
Teams were starting to figure it out against Hader, not a bad idea by Milwaukee to move him now before he comes down to earth. It would be a blessing for the Cubs who have never been able to do a thing against him though. Basically he has the same stuff as Pomeranz but with a longer delivery that gives him an edge.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
He damn near struck out half the batters he faced. Teams are not doing a very good job of “figuring him out.”
megaj
Tell that to the Dodgers. But like I said, the Cubs were by far the worst against Hader and if he leaves the division they won’t be complaining. I never understood why Hader was so dominant, I mean he has one good pitch and everyone knows its coming which is why there is some serious regression coming.
2id
Mariano Rivera had “one good pitch and everyone knew it was coming” and we all knew how his career turned out. “Serious regression”. Fangraphs tell you about that word?
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Given that the Twins could use another relief ace and another lefty, Hader makes perfect sense. Although, I’m really not sure what it’d take to land him. Larnach??
jbigz12
Larnach + Balazovic or Graterol would essentially be equivalent to the package that the Mets gave up for Diaz. If you assume that is the market for premium relievers. The Mets also added about 50 million bucks in salary w Cano in that deal. But I believe that would be a realistic estimate of what the Crew would be looking for.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Makes definite sense. However, while I Larnach is a given, instead of having to give up either Graterol or Balazovic, I wonder if Stearns would accept Jeffers and other young arms like Thorpe, Enlow, Vallimont, Dobnak, etc instead.
Realistically, I’d expect to give up Larnach, Duran, and Thorpe.
lowtalker1
What team would take hader?
lowtalker1
I meant to say, what team would not take hader
Brixton
Teams that dont wanna give up multiple premium assets for a reliever
lowtalker1
You’re still a Debbie downer. Any team would love to have him on their team.
larry48
la dodgers would be a good fit. They have the prospects as long as brewers are really trading Hader.
kmole
I came on here before the trade deadline and said the Brewers weren’t contenders last year and should trade Moose and Grandal. I was completely roasted by a bunch of naive Brewer fans. I am a fan of the Brewers as well, but I realized we weren’t world series contenders this year, it was obvious. Even if we get by the Nats, our pitching gets demolished the next series. Now, we don’t have the payroll to sign players (ie Grandal) and the cupboards are nearly bare of top talent close to the majors within the minor league system. Selling on Hader makes sense. Guess what Brewer fans need to be ready for? Yelich trade talks. Because when the crew is hoping to get to .500 this year, Yelich will be too expensive to keep when he reaches free agency. Too many brewer fans were happy with just making the playoffs to see that the future would’ve been brighter had we been sellers at last year’s trade deadline.
BrewCrew82
You left out the part where the reigning NL MVP and NL MVP runner up the following year was out for the season and the Brewers managed to string together wins in the weak part of the schedule to make the playoffs. Anyone can say “this team isn’t a world series contender” so you might want to settle down on the odd pride you have for that. Lastly, “don’t have the payroll to sign players” is ludicrously stupid. You think they are just going to tuck the money that was spent on Moose and Grandal last year in their back pocket and walk away? There is a reason they traded Davies for cheaper Davies and did not agree to the option on Thames, and it wasn’t to bring payroll down 50 mil. The offseason is in it’s infant stages and pseudo fans who just like to rag on teams because its the internet are the cancer that prohibits intelligent conversation in these forums.
kmole
I think you are confusing my odd pride with just being right. You clearly fall in to the naive camp. I’m not saying they won’t try to spend some money. I’m saying the help they need isn’t there at the price they need it to be. The brewers are two legitimate SP’s and two legitimate position players from being contenders. Don’t be unrealistic and think the Brewers are bringing in Strasburg or Cole, which is what they would need, plus more, to be world series contenders. You might be okay with being bounced early in the playoffs. Yes, the crew backed in to the playoffs beating a bunch of bad teams. That is not who they play in the playoffs. Their 4-5 legitimate pitchers (combining (RP & SP) they had on the team last year couldn’t pitch every day. You are too prideful about making the playoffs to know we didn’t stand a chance to win the pennant. Be realistic, not blind.
AaronAngst
Being right? You weren’t right. The Brewers didn’t trade Grandal or Moustakas and they made the postseason, which is where you need to get to win it all. You can’t win it all until you qualify for the postseason. I’m sure without checking your post history, you were probably arguing that they had no shot at even making the postseason… and that would make you the very definition of wrong.
They blew the division by crapping out against a terrible Colorado team, and Counsell blew the Wild Card by sticking with his Hader for multiple innings approach. Never mind that Grandal and Moustakas maybe bring back some fringe prospects combined as rentals last deadline… how does that get the Brewers into much better shape today? It wouldn’t have.
kmole
You literally just put words in to my mouth and then used those words to say I was wrong, great job. My point is that I don’t care about making the playoffs only. The difference between us is you see making the wild card game as a success. I see winning the world series as a success. I know they had a chance at the playoffs because of their easy schedule, but quit thinking they were good enough to contend for a world series. Trading Moose and Grandal leaves us with more than our (you know what) in our hand which is the case now. The brewers have two years of control left for Yelich, then he is gone, if not before that via trade. The Brewers don’t have the ability (or desire is maybe a better term) to pay superstars unless they take a discount. The Angels can pay Trout, The brewers have a much smaller window that has already passed them by. Nothing proves that more than losing the division to lowly Colorado then them not having enough bullpen arms to close out the Nats. And to the thought they would get nothing back for those two? The Brewers gave up Dubon for 2 unknowns out of the pen, Pomeranz and Black. Pomeranz is gone, sucked way worse prior to the crew getting him. That shows they could’ve likely gotten more than you want to admit.
kmole
correction, 3 years of Yelich
kmole
As I posted this, Moose signs with the reds 4 years 64 mil I believe. This continues to prove my point.
AaronAngst
Yeah, they were good enough to win a World Series last season. They were good enough to win the World Series in 2018 also. Are you arguing the most roundly talented team always wins or even makes the World Series? Wrong again, I’m afraid. Including the Wild Card, the Brewers were 4-3 against the Nationals last year. They were 3-4 against the Dodgers. They were 2-2 against the Astros. That’s what baseball is – a series of games. Seems to be very little separation there.
Dubon was never rated as a top prospect.. He was only a top 5 organizational guy because of where the farm currently is in the ebb and flow of an MLB farm system. They have a better, younger version of Dubon in Urias already now. They were not going to get any difference makers by trading Moustakas and Grandal.
Your argument seems to be that they shouldn’t even try to contend until they have a bonafide World Series champion constructed… on paper. Not a very good argument.
AaronAngst
What is your point now? They won’t spend the money necessary to win? You might be right about that… but it’s way too early in the off-season to make that call. The Reds were making “all-in” moves last year too, and they mostly stunk. The World Series is won on the field.
kmole
I already said my point. The Brewers in 2019 (quit confusing 2018 & 2019) didn’t have enough quality pitching to contend for a world series. They can’t afford high quality pitching via free agency. So now they are a boat without a direction. They don’t have enough pitching. I don’t operate under the assumption that just because a team makes the playoffs it makes them an automatic world series contender. There is a difference in competition level, you can’t beat up on the weaker teams in the playoffs. Their pitching in 2018 was drastically better than in 2019.
kmole
My real bond down point is that the crew wasn’t going to the ship last year. Those window is closing sooner than people think. Trading some valuable assets earlier during it a somewhat mediocre year might have allowed them to keep a superstar instead of placing him on the trade block this offseason
pdxbrewcrew
So basically, to you, unless a team is completely dominating, there’s no reason to try for the playoffs and the team might as well trade off every good player for prospects.
I’m guessing you don’t have a job anywhere near a Major League front office.
kmole
You and I both don’t have an MLB front office job I assume. No, that’s not my point. I suggested selling their high value rental players, not “every good asset”. I also didn’t say they need to be dominating. The Brewers needed an extreme amount of pitching compared to what they had. Brewer fans need to check their ego’s and realize their pitching wasn’t good in 2019. That is why they were not true world series contenders. Do you seriously think their rotation holds up if they get past the Nats in the WC? Again, their bullpen in 2019 also wasn’t nearly as good as 2018. I’m guessing you also don’t have a job near a school, since you can’t read.
bbatardo
His value is probably at the highest it will ever be, but that’s probably why he won’t be traded.
bigcheesegrilledontoast
A club that’s able to eat salary on a return would be doable. Hader in return for an mlb everyday above average player with a discounted salary thanks to the team that trades for him. Que Yankees.
Selvington02
I was thinking the Yankees actually match up in a trade well. Start with Andujar and throw in 2 of their top prospects (One OF and One Pitcher) and
Empire Exoticz
Andujar plus 2 top prospects? He will be staying in Milwaukee.
kzw
I’ve got to think that Andujar, Frazier and Deivi Garcia gets the deal done.
of9376
The Mets? They don’t have two nickels to rub together.
jim stem
But they do have Matz, JD Davis, Dom Smith, Nimmo, Lugo, Syndergaard and Rosario…all guys they could move for the right return.
Selvington02
I was thinking the Yankees actually match up in a trade well. Start with Andujar and throw in 2 of their top prospects (One OF and One Pitcher) and it probably gets done.
Justabit0utside
The Brewers don’t need an outfielder, thus the Grisham trade. They need starting pitching, catching, and corner infielders.
Vizionaire
angels hansel robles is no pushover as a reliever. he might have a better season in ’19!
SalaryCapMyth
Brewers
This kind of ticks me off for Brewers fans. They deserve better. Even while the team was rebuilding in 2015-17 the Brewers didn’t fall out of the top 15 in attendance.
The Brewers had a good nucleus that needed starting pitching. Are they in on Wheeler, Keuchel, Hamels or even the overrated Bumgarner? Nope. The FO is looking to trade an elite pitching asset instead. Grandal is gone and now too and this has to make you wonder if Moustakas is returning.
If Hader gets traded for prospects and Moustakas doesn’t return you might as well just start another rebuild because the Brewers aren’t going to find an upgrade to Grandal for 2020 and they can’t AFFORD one of the two upgrades at 3B.
As morbid as it sounds to me, I do have a dread curiousity as to how much Hader could draw. Last year Diaz drew a top 100 and a top 50 prospect despite the Mets taking on the burden of Cano’s contract. Hader is an elite talent and a top 3 closer when you look at his consistent track record. He is low cost and you have 4 years of control.
A little reminiscent of last offseason with Diaz maybe? Since Hader won’t get saddled with a bad contract and also has a better track record than Diaz, does Stearns start to suspect he can get 3 top 100 or better prospects in return?
I would say no. I think the Mariners got pretty close to the maximum return you can get for even an elite closer in this market. When it comes down to it, no matter how elite a closer is or how many years of control, teams are only going to pay so much for a player that typically only influences 1 inning for 60 to 70 games.
I think even 1 top 50 and 2 top 100 prospect might not even happen. Even to the best farm systems, that would be a gut punch..except the Padres. That loss would kind just hurt their feelings a bit. FO’s wont be anxious to do that on a closer.
And that will end my fourth grade attempt to write out War and Piece.
DODGERS1988-?
Brewers need to rebuild their system and get some MLB talent to compete in the weak N.L. Central while its still weak. Dodgers are one of the few teams could help them do this. My trade wont happen but actually helps both teams. Brewers send Yelich and Hader to L.A. for top prospects Ruiz c, Lux SS/2nd, May RHP, and Goslion RHP. Both May and Goslion could be top of the rotation guys in the near future. Except for Ruiz who is a 21 year old switch hitting catcher the others have had a cup of coffee in the bigs. You the throw in Austin Barnes C/INF (Barnes is a GG level catcher/ INF he had 2 good offensive years and one average, but his glove and game calling is elite),Joc Pederson OF with 35 HR that can play all 3 spots with good defense and hit #1-#5 hitter on any team, Chris Taylor he can start anywhere except P/C and hit while doing it, A.J. POLLACK everyone knows him, then you can add a few lower level prospects that are years out from MLB. Getting rid of Yelich and Hader hurts but this could upgrade the Brewers team for a few years and help rebuild that horrible farm. And actually makes the Brewers a better team in 2020.
tbonenats
Brewers aren’t going to package Yelich and Hader together. Trading 3 years of cheap Yelich control alone would net Lux, May and Gonsolin plus more.
bdpecore
Any trade sending Yelich to the Dodgers would require Walker Buehler coming back in return. You don’t get a perennially MVP candidate on an extremely team friendly deal without giving up something of significant value. Not to say Ruiz and Lux aren’t good prospects or have significant value but I don’t see the Brewers going into full rebuild mode just yet. Trading Hader is more of a rare situation where a team is trading from a position of strength while remaining competitive and restocking their farm system so they can sustain this level for a longer timeframe.
tbonenats
100% agree. Was mainly just pointing out that packaging Hader and Yelich makes no sense for the Brewers since it would be almost impossible to yield max return value.
I assume a legit Yelich to Dodgers trade would be something like Buehler, Lux and Ruiz…which is why it won’t happen now. Teams would rather wait till he only has 2 years of control left and the reduced cost that comes with less guaranteed control.
Chris Koch
1 top 50? Bar would be set at who Stearns sees as a top 15-20 prospect. And then add to that. Id think the only thing Stearns would want in return for Hader is a ToR SP. Maybe its 2yrs of somebody out there. Or else it’s coming from a rookie/prospect that oozes ToR being in 2020.
SalaryCapMyth
A top 50 prospect would also be a top 20 prospect so I don’t think its outside the relm of possibility but that would certainly impact the quality of whoever else is sent. But lime I said before..teams are only going to pay so much for a player that usually goes 1 inning and makes 60 to 70 appearances.
Aaron Sapoznik
Nobody here appreciates your ‘novel’ comment more than I do. It also was far from a “fourth grade attempt”. In fact, it was well written and had excellent observations that I wholeheartedly agree with. Good job SalaryCapMyth!
SalaryCapMyth
Very gracious of you. Thank you.
Vinny C
He was a disaster in the postseason. His trade value is higher now than it ever will be, as his numbers will likely worsen after throwing all those innings. Perfect time for Brodie Van Wagenen to overpay for his old client. Watch the Mets give up too much and Hader have a 5.00 ERA this year.
stubby66
Ok so this year we have a full year of Huira, Suter, Houser, Urias, Deven William’s, Knebel, Wahl. Ray and Taylor will get a legit chance to play some left which should be able to give us what Grisham gave us. Lyles and Moose are going to see what there market is for them then come back and we will match just like they did last year. Now yes Burnes, Peralta, Shaw, Brown, Nelson, Arcia( hopefully we could put in a trade for Sisco or Bundy) need to give us something. We have saved some money in someplace but we are far from having to rebuild we might have to retool but not rebuild. That being said Nationals lost Harper and what happened. Bottom line we have just as much chance of winning as anyone and our FO will keep trying to give us a championship. Brewer fans want a championship just as bad as anyone else the only difference is we know it’s not the end of the world
its_happening
Make Hader a starter. Problem solved.
Cam
He’s a 1.5 pitch pitcher who throws his fastball 85% of the time – that won’t cut it as a starter. He’s worth far less as a #4/#5 who doesn’t go deep into games.
Priggs89
You assume he’s a 1.5 pitch pitcher because he can’t throw other pitches. I assume he’s a 1.5 pitch pitcher because that’s what works EXTREMELY well in the role he’s currently in. If Sale stayed in the bullpen his entire career, he would’ve thrown nothing but fastball and slider.
its_happening
He’s more than a 1.5 pitch pitcher. Clearly you do not watch him enough. He can instantly be their #2. At the very least. He is Chris Sale-lite.
BrewCrew82
Clearly you don’t watch him enough or you’d see he struggles everytime he gets faced with a second time through the lineup. He is a long way from being a starter.
its_happening
You’re so right BrewCrew! That second time around facing Hader, all 12 AT BATS IN HIS CAREER! Are you kidding me???? You’re basing a weak argument on 12 at bats? Clearly you know nothing!
Watch him. Watch him very carefully. He has never started a game in the majors and his 204 innings with 349 strikeouts is an indicator he has the stuff to dominate as a starter. Dominate. At the very least you could have used his AAA numbers in a hitters haven to justify your argument. Instead you used 12 batters. Wow. Put your Reds gear back on.
Melchez
Cashman finally found someone to trade frazier for.
gbp4ever
Brewers window to contend is likely shut. At this point you need to start looking to trade assets to rebuild what is considered the worst minors in MLB. Another year I would not be shocked if Yelich name comes up as the Brewers probably won’t be able to afford a new contract on him so will be talks trying to get a haul of prospects for him.
whyhayzee
Any slight downturn in performance in 2019 can be explained by the liveliness of the baseball.
Every pitcher in baseball can say the same thing, the fake ball is a disaster and utterly stupid. Brady tries to use a fake ball and he’s a cheater. But MLB uses a fake ball and it’s ok? NO!
schuldiner
Brewers need a first baseman………………………Smith, could be good trade
Phiilies2020
Bohm, Stott & Romero for Hader & Shaw
qbass187
Maybe the WHITE Sox?
Iago407
I’d like to see that move. Curious what the Sox would need to part with in order to get him though. I wouldn’t want to give up any of Madrigal, Robert, Kopech, Cease or Vaughn. Maybe a deal centering around Dunning and Collins? They need a catcher and Collins seems like he could be about ready.
phillyballers
No player should be “off limits” if another team is willing to give up enough assets. If a team wants to give up 10 or 15 players for Trout, Angel’s should listen too.
stubby66
Absolutely true. Brewers arent going to shop him but if someone says a trade that blows the doors off our 4 wheel drive we will listen totally That being said the window hasn’t even come close to closing. Great job Rosenfall for getting people talking and ruffling feathers. TED SIMMONS GET THIS BREWER IN THE HALL OF FAME!!!!!!
oriole
I’d trade for him for Bud Norris
bigbadjohnny
When you know you cannot win the NL Central division in 2020, the first guy on the trade block is your Reliever…….it makes sense….Brewers could end up in 4th place in 2020.
BrewCrew82
They could also end up in 1st. This offseason isn’t even remotely close to over and the winter meetings haven’t even started. Just foolish to assume the Brewers are plateauing and need to sell again.
chicagofan1978
Why can’t they win the central? They’re really only competing with two teams that are equally as bad
2id
“The Brewers could finish in 4th” comes up again. What is this, the 3rd year in a row? Regression this, regression that, no pitching, Blah Blah. They could easily finish in 1st. Trading Hader isn’t a white flag, at all.
CrewBrew
Dont see it happening, but the haul would be really good. Interesting if it happens.
Rangers29
Okay the rangers NEED a great reliever to pair with Clase and Leclerc… here he is. I’d package guzman, mazara, farrell, palumbo, and demarcus evans.
tbonenats
Lol
Chris Koch
Agreed. Alonso+a lottery type arm that down the road is a RP at worst. You’re trading to be competitive in 2020. Not prospects/failed prospects that were highly thought of.
CrewBrew
Kind of makes sense though. Brewers farm system is shot and they need to replenish. They could sell high on this guy and really get some good guys back.
jim stem
Hmmm. So obviously, it’s a payroll thing for the Brewers. Would they take Syndergaard in a package? Probably not if it’s a money move unless the Mets take some back in the form of Braun. So that comes back around to something along the lines of Matz, Nimmo and JD Davis to the Brewers for Hader and Braun. I don’t think that’s far off or out of the question. Braun slots into that lineup as the right handed outfielder they need. Davis plugs the gap at 3b, lf or 1b. Nimmo replaces Braun. Matz goes into the rotation. Mets get their closer and can be patient with Diaz or flip him.
jim stem
Mets can also add Dom Smith in this deal. Smith, Nimmo, Matz and Gsellman for Hader, Braun and?? Who else might the Brewers want to unload due to their contract?
tbonenats
Nimmo can’t have much appeal to the Brewers. For Mets to really field a competitive offer they’d have to wait till they can trade their picks from June and build a deal like Davis, Mauricio, and Baty or Allen.
pmollan
Hader is going NOWHERE. The entire article is predicated on a non-comment. Stearns doesn’t discuss individual players, but rather said that they listen to all offers, always. The Athletic then decided to make “content” out of that by adding Hader. Slow hot-stove day, I guess.
Freddie Morales
Mets have Smith and Davis and Nimmo available to trade
sdfriarfan
Hunter Renfroe and ? for Hader? Braun will be gone soon, so they need a power hitting outfielder. Padres need to shore up their pitching. Get it done.
brewcrew08
I doubt the Brewers would ship an average corner OFer in Grisham just to move Hader to add another one in Renfroe. If Renfroe is the first piece it would probably take at least one of Abrams or Campusano then another lesser prospect.
CrewBrew
Seems like a slow news day then. Stearns does not comment on individual players trade talks and when asked said “he would listen” just like any GM would listen to any offer on ANY player.
Does not mean they are actively shopping the guy. GMs field calls on every player on their roster, even if they are considered “off limits” in their eyes.
Im sure the Angels have heard offers for Trout just like the Brewers have listened to offers for Yelich. Does not hurt to take a call
stubby66
AMEN CrewBrew
SalaryCapMyth
You just watched last season’s catcher sign elsewhere and I don’t see how the Brewers won’t downgrade. You just watched Moustakas sign elsewhere and I can’t see how the Brewers won’t downgrade their as well. That’s a lot of loss for a team that won 89 games last year. The Brewers are starting to look like a 500 team with an elite closer that is going to see less games. “Listening on Hader” may be more serious than you are taking it.
lambeau gang
The Brewers added Grandal to a team that won 95 games the year before and the Brewers won fewer games. The Nats had a terrible record in May before winning the World Series. It’s baseball, anything can happen.
leprechaun
He’s one pitch away from Tommy John the guys mechanics are terrible
Aaron Sapoznik
You can say that about any pitcher regardless of their mechanics. TJ surgery even happened to a knuckleball pitcher like former Red Sox Steven Wright.
CrewBrew
This seems like a post of someone whos watched 3 baseball games would comment.
“he throws different. awful”
lambeau gang
Do you think the Mets would do a deGrom for Hader deal, with the Mets eating most of deGrom’s contract? They have a surplus of starting pitching, and the Brewers need an ace (no, Thor and Stroman don’t count).
king beas
Do you think the Mets would do this?
txman22
Hope you’re kidding bout DeGrom. Dom Smith & Nimmo & throw in Diaz & Brewers throw in another player or 2.
lambeau gang
If you want an elite arm, you need to give up an elite arm.