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Ted Simmons, Marvin Miller Elected To Baseball Hall Of Fame

By Mark Polishuk | December 8, 2019 at 7:26pm CDT

Longtime Cardinals catcher Ted Simmons and MLB Players Association executive director Marvin Miller were elected to the Baseball Hall Of Fame, as announced tonight on MLB Network.  Simmons and Miller were inducted via the “Modern Era” veterans committee, a 16-person panel focusing on people whose largest contributions to the sport fell between 1970 and 1987.

Each offseason, a different committee meets to examine a different era of baseball’s history and consider any important figures for enshrinement into Cooperstown, including players who didn’t reach the 75% threshold on the writers’ ballots.  This year’s panel consisted of, as always, a mixture of former players, executives, owners, journalists, and historians — Sandy Alderson, George Brett, Rod Carew, Bill Center, Dave Dombrowski, Dennis Eckersley, David Glass, Steve Hirdt, Walt Jocketty, Doug Melvin, Eddie Murray, Jack O’Connell, Tracy Ringolsby, Terry Ryan, Ozzie Smith, and Robin Yount.

Twelve of 16 votes were required for induction, and each Modern Era committee member could vote for a maximum of four candidates.  Simmons (13 votes) led the field while Miller hit the 12-vote minimum on the dot.  For Simmons, today’s news represents some relief after his near-miss during the last Modern Era ballot in 2017.  Simmons fell only a single vote short of the twelve required for entry into Cooperstown (Miller was also on that 2017 ballot, receiving seven votes).

Of the other eight players on this year’s ballot, Dwight Evans (eight votes), Dave Parker (seven votes), Steve Garvey (six votes), and Lou Whitaker (six votes) all made particularly strong showings, while Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson, and Dale Murphy each received three or fewer votes.  These eight players will again be eligible for consideration during the next Modern Era vote in December 2022.

Simmons lasted just one year on the writers’ ballot, and was removed after failing to achieve the minimum five percent of the vote.  It was surprising both then and now that Simmons’ career didn’t make much of an impact on the writers, given that he has long been regarded as one of the best-hitting catchers in the history of the sport.  Simmons hit .285/.348/.437 with 248 homers over 21 seasons and 9685 plate appearances from 1968-1988, and he ranks second all-time among all catchers in hits (2472), doubles (483), and RBI (1389).  Over Simmons’ 13 seasons with the Cardinals, five seasons with the Brewers, and three seasons with the Braves, he accumulated eight All-Star appearances.

If Simmons was perhaps overdue after his close call in the 2017 vote, Miller’s induction corrects one of the more glaring omissions from the Hall Of Fame.  While some of the owners and executives who populated various veterans committees over the years weren’t fans of how Miller built and strengthened the MLBPA, there is little doubt that Miller is one of the most influential figures in baseball history.

Serving as the MLBPA’s executive director from 1966-1982, Miller’s tenure saw nothing less than a complete reinvention of the relationship between players and ownership.  The very first Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and the MLBPA was struck, and the old reserve clause (most famously challenged by Curt Flood) eventually fell by the wayside, paving the way for modern free agency and the current arbitration system.  Player salaries and pensions saw immense growth as the union grew in strength, as Miller brought modern labor practices to a business whose employees previously had little in the way of an organized front to challenge management.

Miller and Simmons will be officially inducted into the Hall Of Fame on July 26, along with any players voted in when the Baseball Writers’ Association Of America reveals its ballot on January 21.

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  1. STLCards33

    6 years ago

    Ted Simmons is beyond deserving.

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    • iang2424

      6 years ago

      I was like Simmons really? Then I saw the stats and was like oh how the heck did he only get 3% as a catcher 25 years ago? A catcher putting together those numbers is definitely worthy. Lou and Murphy should get their days too but we’ll have to see if they ever will.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        A very interesting discussion could emerge from this. Eight-time All-Star, highly regarded but unexceptional offensively actually, no? (Led the league in GIDP once, and IBB twice.) My initial take is he’s solid but not HOF. Would love to hear other takes though.

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        • iamhector24

          6 years ago

          No one cares about GIDP.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          I can see your understanding of irony is really well developed.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          Oh God! What in holy hell is GIDP?

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          Simba is right at my borderline for catcher.

          That’s why Munson should already be in.

          55, maybe 60 WAR, if not killed. Won an MVP.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          Double plays grounded into.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Ground into double plays. Simmons as a switch hitting catcher is clearly deserving but my argument is the system. The fact that Marvin Miller just gets in today is a bigger joke than Harold Baines getting the necessary votes last year. The man was the most influential person in the sport since Jackie Robinson. Why though does the panel vote on players, executives and others together? The 16 people voting could only vote for a maximum of four individuals.and a vote for Miller should not have been at the expense of a player. In my view, Evans (I admit I’m biased here but so we’re the White Sox three last year who should have recused themselves last year due to their connection to Baines), Munson and Whitaker (if Trammell is already in – they in large part solidified the other as a superstar middle infielder) should have been in with Simmons. Also Dale Murphy as a back to back MVP also should have received more consideration.

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        • wordonthestreet

          6 years ago

          Pedro you have no class.

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        • stratcrowder

          6 years ago

          That was a pretty offensive joke. You’re the effing moron.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          Sad comment but just plain unnecessary.

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        • Pedro4eva

          6 years ago

          It’s funny because it’s true

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          None, Pedro, you human clown shoe.

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        • SimbaHOF2019

          6 years ago

          Thats a stretch to say Munson would accumulate that much War. When he died he was already 32 and declining. I liked him and perhaps he would have hung on long enough but its certainly not a given. Simmons had a higher OPS+ for his 20 year career!

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        • Rashley

          6 years ago

          Ted Simmons is Number 10 all-time in WAR among catchers. He was a truly great player! He had the misfortune of playing on some very mediocre teams during his tenure in St. Louis – not exactly a media hotbed. For those of us who followed him and saw him play, it is astonishing that his election took this long.

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      • stemog

        6 years ago

        He was really good. Switch-hitter, too, so he played all the time.

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        • stubby66

          6 years ago

          Definitely a heck of a lot better then someone like Grandal who couldnt even carry his bags

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        • Steven Juris

          6 years ago

          No.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Another switch hitter who has gotten no love is Reggie Smith. The man came up a centerfielder, took abuse as a black man in Boston and had Dwight Evans type arm. With Simmons now in and Pete Rose not eligible, he’s the best switch hitter since the late 60s no longer on the ballot.

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        • stratcrowder

          6 years ago

          Truth! Reggie was awesome

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          Reggie Smith was rookie in 1967 i think. Yaz had the greatest September ever that year. Smith was a stud.

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      • tycobb016

        6 years ago

        I saw these guys play. Not once did I think any of them were HOF worthy. All Stars yes, HOF no. Don’t want to take it out on Simmons but come on. Lot of players getting in now who don’t deserve. Trammel Morris and I could name more but I don’t want to. Give me a break.

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        • steelerbravenation

          6 years ago

          You must not of seen Mattingly in his prime because he was well on his way to being a HOF before he got hurt. So to say you seen everyone of them play but to have not seen him play and say he is going to the HOF then you seen him play at the bad point of his career.
          Dave Parker too. He may not be a HOF but there were years when these guys sure looked like they were going.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          Yes I saw Mattingly. I think a bad back did him in. I had him on my APBA and Strato-matic teams. He was 100% baseball and 0% bull****.Just my opinion that’s all.

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        • stubby66

          6 years ago

          I’m sorry how you dont see Tommy John isnt in the HOF. Yes his numbers arent the best but close. Then you add on the procedure that he took a risk on having has had an impact on atleast of about 1000 players. That alone gets him in .

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        • Arnold Ziffel

          6 years ago

          Miller forever screwed the small market teams from ever building and keeping a team together. He destroyed the game, but Yankees love him so he gets in.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          How about Jim Kaat? Lots of guys on the second level. Tommy John was my favorite Sox pitcher back in the day. Sox acquired him because he had a good curveball and they thought they could work with him.

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        • ohmy

          6 years ago

          Miller getting is a travesty. The writers, who are all pro-union, got him in. Tommy John, for his career AND the operation actually deserves it.

          And yes, Miller did more damage than constructive.

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        • JoeBrady

          6 years ago

          All Miller did was to get the players the money they deserve. And since MLB is bigger than ever, I’m not seeing any damage on their side either.

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        • phenomenalajs

          6 years ago

          Problem is he thinks it has done more harm than good to the game. He was a very good reliever when the top closers were Rollie, Eck, Lee Smith, Dan Quisenberry, Bruce Sutter and Goose Gossage.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          Tend to agree. That was my first take too. Feel similarly about Harold Baines.

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        • User 4245925809

          6 years ago

          Disagree. I’d say with recent induction of borderline HOF players.. Harold Baines being one of the least worthy last year that Dwight Evans and Sweet Lou Whitaker belong. I could tell many stories of Sweet Lou, who was a local favorite in Lakeland when he played for the Lakeland Flying Tigers Detroit A ball team and remained a HUGE favorite each and every season he returned to this town for ST. he would stand near the dugout and sign autographs, have his picture taken it seemed for hours. Mostly just with nothing but a “Sweet Lou”. One of the kindest and friendliest players ever had the privilege to come across in my time following the game was Lou.

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          I saw Mattingly. Even before he started having the back problems, he didn’t knock me out. I booed Cobra regularly, deliberately buying RF bleacher tickets when the Pirates visited old Busch. He, too, never “knocked me out.”

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          Morris very iffy. Trammell definitely HOF! Baines hall of good.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          T. John and J. Katt should be in the HOF.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          Kaat. Geez!

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          What risk? Without the surgery, he was done. Dr, Frank Job should be in for his contribution to the sport. I love TJ who I viewed as a poor man’s Jim Kaat. Kitty has to go in first. As for Mattingly, he wasn’t on a championship winner like Puckett to get in based on his years playing. My vote for a Yankee goes to Munson whose career paralleled Puckett in length and accolades. No disrespect to Simmons who is deserving but give me one vote between the two and Munson gets it. Both were tough behind the plate but Munson’s overall defense was better and he was the Yankees’ most clutch hitter during their 76-78 run. Reggie had the marque name and one unreal night but game to game, I wasn’t going to let Munson beat me. My respect for him is basically due to how much I hated him as a Sox fan growing up.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Miller destroyed the game? Didn’t the court have a say in free agency? Not being in a union, His can I blame him? If owners didn’t screw players years before, there likely wouldn’t have been a need for a Marvin Miller.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Go back and look at the years Mattingly had. Unfortunately, his career wasn’t long enough before injuries ruined him. His glove was great too. Reminds me of Dustin Pedroia who likely would have earned enshrinement but now has no chance.

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        • Orangejedi23

          6 years ago

          Maybe, just maybe, he helped the actual commodity (the players) earn their fair share.

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        • hiflew

          6 years ago

          What are you talking about? The Yankees and Dodgers dominated the game for many years for Miller ever got involved. Just go look at baseball history. Put together a list of the 50 best players from 1900-1950. When did the Reds, Pirates, Browns, Phillies, or other teams have any of the best players from the first half of the 20th Century? Now how many of those players were Yankees?

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          6 years ago

          Hiflew-Honus Wagner and Pie Traynor would like a word with you.

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        • Sun Devil 17

          6 years ago

          Parker and Al Oliver belong in the hall

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        • bcjd

          6 years ago

          The writers literally did NOT get him in. He was voted in by the modern era committee, not the BBWAA.

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        • MLBTRS

          6 years ago

          So, if you think Trammel isn’t deserving, you must also believe it to be outrageous that Rizzutoi is in.

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        • SimbaHOF2019

          6 years ago

          If Simmons played in NY he would have been first ballot! He was better than Munson. He was actually a very strong catcher who played 150 games in the gates of hell that was busch stadium. Regularly over 110 degrees on the field in the summer

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        I was like Simmons really?
        —————————–
        LOL! I guess you don’t follow baseball:)

        Just kidding. I had the same reaction last time when he got 11 votes. I was like ‘who?’. Then I did my research too. Good choice.

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        • iang2424

          6 years ago

          Well considering I’m 23 I never got to see him play lol. He’s not someone that is talked about a lot. He may be more for the teams he’s played for and I’ve heard the name but never looked into him.

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        Munson was better and should have been in long ago, but the NY media hated him, which is a fair part of the reason why the writers didn’t vote him in.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Diana Munson has indicated they wanted to change the rules like they did for Puckett and allow votes the first year after he died, He probably would have gotten in on emotions but Diana felt Thurman would not have want3d the rules to be changed for him so she said no.

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        • douglasb

          6 years ago

          Munson was better defensively but Ted Simmons was a little better offensively. Munson started to drop off his last year, and we never saw him have bad years like Simmons had once he got to around age 34-35.

          Munson was and is borderline HOF. You can make a good case for him I think, but it’s no travesty that he’s not in. I think he’s behind Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker in the “overdue from the 70’s” category. But I respect Munson as a player greatly.

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        • RoseBowlMtg

          6 years ago

          Here iis a comparison btwn Munson and Simmons during Munson’s life so those who think Simmons was worse or a compiler take a look

          age, years, hits, 2b, 3B, HR, RBI, ave, TB’s:
          TM 32, 11, 1558, 229, 32, 113, 701, .292, 2190
          TS: 30, 11, 1700, 332, 36, 172, 926, .298, 2620
          So in a must harder field to hit in Simba had 142 more hits, 103 more doubles, 4 more triples ,59 more dingers and 430 more TB’s

          Let’s compare them age wise at 32
          TM 1558, 229,32,, 113,701, 2190
          TS 1927, 369, 39, 209, 1084, 3006

          Thurman Munson had 3 good years then 74 ribbies was his 4th best while Simmons 71-80 did not have a rbi yr less than 74 while 6 years were 90+.. Thurman had a nice career but if you want to compare him to a compiler try Fisk.

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    • todd76

      6 years ago

      What’s Dale Murphy have to do???

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        Be a HOFer. He’s not. socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2019/12/no-really-dale…

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        To bad he didn’t cone back last year on PEDs. Imagine great seasons from great players. Between the drugs and juiced ball, him and Evans would have reset their eligibility and get another shot with the writers.

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    • HighHardOne

      6 years ago

      Ted was always deserving in my book.
      Happy for him and Marvin and sad for Cobra and Murphy who I also think are deserving

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  2. CrikesAlready

    6 years ago

    I’d like to see an article of those who the opportunity is now closed for them into the HOF.

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  3. mlb.fanatic

    6 years ago

    Simmons deserves it

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    • schellis 2

      6 years ago

      Simmons way more deserving than Harold baines was last year. Simmons shouldnt have had to wait for the vets committee

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      • Rashley

        6 years ago

        Absolutely! Having Baines in has cheapened the Hall.

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      How so?

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  4. david klein

    6 years ago

    Good to see Miller get in and Simmonds too but Whitaker not being in is a disgrace

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    • jneumann

      6 years ago

      Agree

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      • fox471 Dave

        6 years ago

        Agree.

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  5. lokinyc

    6 years ago

    ted Simmons? are you kidding me? no Mattingly? no Tommy John?

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    • Michael Chaney

      6 years ago

      This is a bad take

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    • barkinghumans77

      6 years ago

      Simmons hit .301 for the 70’s, made 8 All Star games. Also a .367 OBP. He was a great offensive catcher. Easily top 10. His getting in has no bearing in the other players cases for the Hall. Whitaker should be in. I mostly believe Mattingly should also.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        I think every player on the ballot EXCEPT Mattingly should go in. Mattingly has no rings and was only really an MVP one time. Rest of his career meh other than his MVP year.

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        • steelerbravenation

          6 years ago

          He was only an mvp once but he put up dominating seasons. I don’t believe a Mattingly was a HOF just because of how the injured back costed him some productive years.
          This is where watching the game as a game and not watching numbers comes into play. Because watching Mattingly play he was a HOF just wasn’t able to play long enough.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          horrible take. rings mean very little in the context of one player, unless that player was a postseason superstar, and being the best player in the AL or NL any number of years doesnt make or break one’s overall career production.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          6 years ago

          What’s wrong with you? I can’t tell if you just have no life and enjoy trolling, or you legit do not understand anything about the game.

          “Mattingly really was only an MVP one time”. Why do you need the word “really” there? It’s a fact, he was MVP one time. Personally I felt he deserved it over Clemens in ‘86, but he also won it over Brett in ‘85 so it evened out.

          “Rest of his career is meh except for other than his MVP”. He won a batting title in ‘84. In ‘86 he should have won his second at .352 (Boggs sat out) when he led the league in hits with 238, scored 117 runs, OBP of .394, hitting 31 HR’s with 52 doubles. Mattingly was must see TV when he came to the plate. Do you not know how to look up stats?

          I’ll never understand the “no rings” point. With that “logic”, Tony Gwynn, Ken Griffey Jr. and Ted Williams should not be in the HoF either – brilliant take.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          6 years ago

          SaberSmuckers

          Absolutely right. Again, Strike Four is blinded by his childish, reactionary Yankee-Hate and can’t see the forest OR the trees.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          6 years ago

          Mattingly was dominant over 3 or 4 seasons in the mid 80s. If that’s the protocol for the Hall then a lot of players get in including Orel Hershiser.

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        • iamhector24

          6 years ago

          Stop with the “no rings” bs. This isn’t the NBA. One player can not make that much of a difference. Mike Trout will be one of the five best players of all time and what kind of post season success does he have?

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      • ohmy

        6 years ago

        If Trammell is in, than Whitaker deserves to be. However, I don’t believe Trammell SHOULD be in.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          Yeah, he really should.

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        • MLBTRS

          6 years ago

          You must not have heard of Alan Trammel until today.

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        Munson should have gone in first. Better catcher. And I’m a lifetime Cards fan.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        Mattingly may be the least deserving of anyone out there—and he was my favorite player of his era not named Eddie Murray.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Should be called F-WAR because that’s what comes out of my mouth when the discussion starts. So many players I can come up with and the problem is a group of 16 is too small as it allows for biases to hijack the entire vote. Harold Baines election last year is a dis-service to those truly deserving. The all-stars amongst those enshrined such as a Ruth, Williams, Jackie Robinson, etc. who on this last list doesn’t compare favorably to Baines? I’d have put Reggie Smith in long before Baines and he wasn’t even in this group of ten.

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    • diddlez

      6 years ago

      Yeah Ted Simmons, the second best catcher of the entire 70’s and into the 80’s after Johnny Bench. He had more WAR than Carlton Fisk from 1971 – 1983 and had only 5 fewer than Bench in that span.

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      • tycobb016

        6 years ago

        Screw WAR. Eye test best way. WAR is made of estimate, infer [guess], adjust. WAR I think is the most unreliable way to judge Players. WAR is like every player ever faced the same exact pitches in the same exact dimensions in the exact same conditions. Except it never happened in real life.

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        • Michael Chaney

          6 years ago

          You literally just described the entire point of WAR.

          It’s pretty obvious that no player faced the exact same conditions over the course of their career. That’s why it’s meant to be an impartial way of comparing players.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          6 years ago

          The “eye test” gave Gold Gloves to both Bernie Williams and Jeter. They were not great fielders.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          WAR is make believe, pretend. I’m not knocking any individual who relies on it to come to a conclusion.

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          Dewey Evans won, IIRC, one Gold Glove in a negative dWAR year, even. (I know he’s negative dWAR, on B-Ref, for his career.

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        • socraticgadfly

          6 years ago

          You’re make believe, pretend. It’s knuckleheadedness like this that leads me to still regret MLBTR taking away the thumbs down button.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          Oh no, not the dreaded thumbs down button. I’d rather be a knucklehead than a baldheaded lunkhead. Instead of this let’s be friends. I’ll give you the last word on it if you want it.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          And as someone who watched both carefully they were outstanding baseball players. Cal Ripken too. WAR is a nice addition to our discourse about who’s good/deserving and who’s not—but it’s also a crutch for this who know little about the game and who spend nearly no time intelligently watching said game. Dad but true.

          WAR seems wise for front offices; not so much for laypeople.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          *Sad

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        • iamhector24

          6 years ago

          The eye test from ty cobb. You yell at anyone to get off your lawn lately?

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          lamhector24- Good night Mr. Crankypants. I gotta work tomorrow, how about you?

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      • imgman09

        6 years ago

        Have a long career plays a part also,Simmons played 18 Years,saw all his Career,long overdue also Jeff Kent 17 Years changed the 2nd base position,Not a Good Fielder in ny but improved immensely in SF,Long overdue!

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        • imgman09

          6 years ago

          …..Sorry 21 Seasons for Simmons

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        How can you and so many people keep overlooking Munson when he was better than Simmons? Is it his playing career death? He would have played out to 55 WAR, maybe 60. I just don’t get people who should be baseball smart overlooking Munson.

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        • MLBTRS

          6 years ago

          “If only”, “could have”, “might have” doesn’t get anyone an award.

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    • SaberSmuckers

      6 years ago

      Mattingly hit 119 HR’s his first four full seasons, following that up with less than 100 his remaining eight. If he didn’t hurt his back he’d be first ballot.

      The Mattingly of the 80’s was a Hall of Famer, but not when you combine with his 90’s stats.

      He’s my favorite player of all-time, but he’s not a Hall of Famer.

      I’m not upset TJ isn’t in the HoF, but I also wouldn’t be upset he was.

      I’m surprised Ted Simmons was not in, he deserved to be in sooner.

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    • douglasb

      6 years ago

      compare Don Mattingly and Cecil Cooper.

      both really good players. neither is HOF worthy.

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  6. bluemarc

    6 years ago

    Garvey and Murphy deserve it too.

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    • phenomenalajs

      6 years ago

      So does Keith Hernandez who wasn’t even on the list. If Harold Baines can get in, Mex belongs there too.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        No Keith Hernandez does not belong in the Hall—nowhere near it.

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        • rct

          6 years ago

          60 WAR, a pile of gold gloves (one of the best defensive 1B ever), an MVP, 128 OPS+, 1000+ walks, 1000+ RBI, 1100+ runs, .296/.384/.436/.821 career slash. Two-time WS champ and a major contributor on both teams. He’s a HoF in my book.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          That is a very nice argument in favor of him. I appreciate the reply. More career walks than K’s too. As someone who watched him play regularly there was little—ever—about him or his game that exuded HOF, but your case re his offense (underrated and overlooked) and his defense have merit.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Hard to rate Hernandez who had other attributes. He was like having a manager on the field. Only negatives were his power lacked for such a power oriented position and I think Jim Abbot had a better throwing, using his right upper limb. The problem with Mattingly besides his short career, Hernandez and Garvey is there were other strong first basemen then. Many ridicule Bill Buckner for one play that he shouldn’t have been on the field for but look at his stats and those of Cecil Cooper.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 years ago

          Good reply dimetrios. Classy.

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        • SimbaHOF2019

          6 years ago

          If you look at actual stats Its clear Hernandez was a much better first baseman than Garvey. Its not close. He was offensively better and defensively considered possibly the greatest fielding 1B ever! Garvey was the most overhyped underdeserving player in history. The years he got MVP votes are a joke. Many more deserving players.

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  7. Metsfan78

    6 years ago

    Marvin Miller finally got his due, all the players owe this man so much for everything he did for the players.

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    • cubsnomore

      6 years ago

      Yep. My Dad was drafted by the Yankees in the 1950’s. He had zero chance of making it through to the bigs. The starting rotation was so amazing. Plus they lasted 10+ years each.
      Without free agency my Dad could not go to any other team. He was stuck. So he quit and got a real job.

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      • tycobb016

        6 years ago

        cubsnomore- did you ever read the book Dynasty by Peter Golenbock. Not sure of the writers last name, something like that. Covers the time of your father’s drafting. Good stuff on those Yankee pitchers you mention.

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        • cubsnomore

          6 years ago

          Sounds like a good Xmas present. Thanks

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        • wayneroo

          6 years ago

          Golenback wrote a great book with Sparky Lyle called The Bronx Zoo outlining his 1978 in diary form. Bought it new and still have it.

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        • agentx

          6 years ago

          My favorite anecdote of Lyle’s is his decision to steer clear of one minor-league trainer’s upon hearing him diagnose teammate Kenny Wright with “a case of tenderitis.”

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  8. stan lee the manly

    6 years ago

    It’s about time for both of these guys. This is why the Modern Era is a really good thing for baseball, they made the right choice here. Congrats to both.

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  9. Abbysreds

    6 years ago

    Dave Parker

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    • retire21

      6 years ago

      Absolutely

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        TBH all of the guys on the ballot except Mattingly should be in.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        Not.

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    • DaveParkerHOF

      6 years ago

      Um yeah, I second that!

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  10. tigerfan4ever

    6 years ago

    Lou Whitaker got snubbed yet again.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      6 years ago

      Picked a bad time to go dancing; sweet lou

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  11. Bassballz13

    6 years ago

    About time Simmons got in. Well deserved.

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  12. Alabama Braves Fan 8

    6 years ago

    Dale Murphy gets no love

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  13. Eatdust666

    6 years ago

    Marvin Miller? What a joke.

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    • Comrade Tipsy McStagger

      6 years ago

      Marvin Miller is the most important baseball figure of the past 50 years. So no — it isn’t a joke.

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      • dazhk

        6 years ago

        Could not agree more!!!! Marvin Miller is the single most important executive the past 50 years. He should have been in long ago.

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    • nymetsking

      6 years ago

      Anyone saying he shouldn’t be in is the joke.

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      What? Every player from 1977 going forward should give him a % if their pay. Him and Curt Flood. This guy did a lot for the players and the game. Got the players arbitration, better fields to play on and above all else, free agency.

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  14. BSBledsoe

    6 years ago

    Simmons also played in the World Series as a member of the Milwaukee Brewers…

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Against the Cards.

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  15. mike156

    6 years ago

    The committee and the sport did the right thing with Marvin Miller.

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  16. carlos15

    6 years ago

    Albert Belle isn’t in because writers don’t like him. Dude was a monster.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      That goes double for Dick Allen and Kevin Brown.

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      • JoeBrady

        6 years ago

        That goes double for Dick Allen and Kevin Brown.
        ————————————————-
        Brown was good, but only 211 wins, 6x AS, and no C.Y.

        But Dick Allen is in the Golden Days committee, which votes next year. He got 11 votes, so I am hoping he picks up one more vote. He was about the best hitter in baseball for 10-11 years. That deserves recognition.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          6 years ago

          Dick Allen was something else. Albert Belle? No…sorry…not steroid era depth there. We’re just putting in anyone who made the all star team now

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      • iamhector24

        6 years ago

        You don’t think Mattingly should go in but you are pro Kevin Brown? Oh the laughter.

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    • ♪

      6 years ago

      I think many voters also think Belle used PED’s. While there are players in the Hall who draw a lot of PED suspicion, such as Bagwell and Piazza, Belle didn’t have the career they had.
      Dick Allen is another player whose HOF chances may have been hurt by a bad reputation.

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      • MoRivera 1999

        6 years ago

        And Thome.

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      Albert Belle was a hole not a HOF caliber player

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      Belle waa great, but not enough longevity for most voters. if i had a vote id think id vote for him, but few players get the benefit of of the doubt that they would have continued to produce if not for injuries. Koufax is proof you have to be inner circle-caliber to get that benefit.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      6 years ago

      A monster on wheels. Trick or treat this!

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    • SimbaHOF2019

      6 years ago

      He was at least the equal of Jim Rice.

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  17. goldenmisfit

    6 years ago

    While I understand Don Mattingly not even coming close even though the first half of his career he was the best player in the game his second half due to injuries fell flat but, seriously no Thurman Munson? Is this a joke? How is this guy not in?

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    • bronxbomber245

      6 years ago

      agreed. Munson was easily the 1st or 2nd best catcher in the 70s..

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      • Dock_Elvis

        6 years ago

        No way in HADES Munson was better than Johnny Bench…none. Bench is very likely the greatest catcher of all time. You can put whoever there #2

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    • rct

      6 years ago

      Total agreement. Excellent numbers, both traditional and advanced, and he had an MVP and a ROY. Had he lived and played another five years, I think he would have been a no-brainer.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        ROY is not a credential for HOF.

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        • rct

          6 years ago

          There’s no such thing as a ‘credential’ for the HoF. You take a look at a player’s body of work. Having a ROY doesn’t make his case but it certainly pads the resume despite whatever objections you seem to have.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          That’s more what I mean—I actually think it lads the resume little to not at all. Someone winning or missing out on ROY, IMHO, has no bearing on their Hall credibility.

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        • rct

          6 years ago

          I agree that it doesn’t have much impact, but to say that it has ‘no bearing’ might be a little too far, especially for a guy whose career was cut so short. You have to scrutinize what he did accomplish that much more because you have less of a body of work to go by.

          I mean, I generally think things like ROY or All-Star games are pretty meaningless, but it is noteworthy that Munson won it and was in the AS game seven times.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Agreed, honestly every player but Mattingly on that ballot should go in.

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      • bronxbomber245

        6 years ago

        Absolutely. All were better players than Baines

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          6 years ago

          Nope

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      • CFAP

        6 years ago

        You’ve said this twice with nothing to back it up.

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    • steelerbravenation

      6 years ago

      You must be a Yankee fan
      Munson was a very good player but being a Yankee isn’t the thing that pushes somebody over the top
      It’s sad what happened but if he played a few more years he is in but he didn’t and he falls short.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        Munson was good—and to Yankees fans great, and the heart and soul of some good teams—but there’s nothing there that shouts HOF.

        And that’s just it: whoever gets elected to the HOF should have a resume that shouts HOF. None of the guys under current discussion, including Simmons, has that. Period.

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        • SimbaHOF2019

          5 years ago

          Some are shouting. You just arent paying attention. Simmons was great at a time of great catchers. Try getting 8 All star games with Bench, Carter , Sanguillen, Boone, playing in the same league at the same time.

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  18. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    6 years ago

    Well I only know Marvin Miller because of Jim Bouton’s book Ball Four
    Heck, maybe the veteran committee could have considered Jim Bouton if they are going to put in Miller

    Also, I was reading an article about Dave Parker and yeah I thinking he should be in now.
    If he wasn’t injured a couple times and the 1981 season was cut short because of the strike, Parker would have had 3000 hits, I am thinking

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    • steelerbravenation

      6 years ago

      Ok he could have but the HOF isn’t about or shouldn’t be about could haves.

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      • Dock_Elvis

        6 years ago

        Cocaine. The Cobra made the game look bad. But his time is due

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      You know if Mark Prior and Kerry Wood wouldn’t have been injured….

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    • SimbaHOF2019

      6 years ago

      Parker didnt take care of his body thats why he got injured. he was out partying too much. I remember him smoking cigarettes in the dugout with a pot belly about the time he got hurt. I also think he had some help when he was in Cinncinati to come back with those numbers.

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  19. Matt Galvin

    6 years ago

    Others can still get.

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  20. rct

    6 years ago

    Since retired players don’t have their pages autolinked, here’s Simmons’ stats:

    baseball-reference.com/players/s/simmote01.shtml

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  21. Strike Four

    6 years ago

    No Lou Whitaker = racist. He at minimum equal to Trammell and arguably better.

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    • everlastingdave

      6 years ago

      Maybe, maybe not. We can agree it’s pretty stupid.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        Almost as stupid as the comment you responded to.

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    • SaberSmuckers

      6 years ago

      Harold Baines is black.

      He got in last year.

      Up until this year, the person that was voted in with the highest percentage was Ken Griffey Jr., he is black.

      You trolled earlier that Mattingly isn’t a HoF (which I agree with, but I have reasons that make sense) because he only had one MVP. Yet Whitaker, who only showed up once in MVP voting, where he finished 8th, should be in. Let me guess, he has a ring so he should be in?

      You really need to get a life, or just go away.

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    • tycobb016

      6 years ago

      strike four- do you want quotas for HOF elections? Trammel doesn”t belong either. two wrongs don’t make a right. Feel better?

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Yeah, actually I think every player who doesnt have 60 WAR belongs in the HOF, I feel better you are finally seeing my point.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          strike four- no thank you

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  22. dgk71

    6 years ago

    Only asking because I respect the knowledge here. How does Thurman Munson stack up statistically to Bench, Simmons & Fisk?

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    • TrueOutcomeFan

      6 years ago

      1st link below is in order of JAWS ranking, but you can sort by other stats as well. If you’re not familiar with JAWS, the second link is an explanation. Hope this was what you were looking for. Apologies if not.

      baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml

      baseball-reference.com/about/jaws.shtml

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      • rct

        6 years ago

        Wow. With Ted Simmons now in, only Mauer (not yet eligible) is above Munson and not in the Hall.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          6 years ago

          I gave up after Baines…if Mauer gets in and ranks above Munson then I’m sorry….were talking Hall of Very Good on Munson.

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        • hiflew

          6 years ago

          Why doe everyone think “Very Good” and “Fame” are on the same scale? Hall of Very Good makes sense if it is called the Hall of Excellent, but how did it ever start being the next step down from Fame?

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        • Dock_Elvis

          6 years ago

          To me it’s like a mountain..you go further down the mountain from the peak things spread out. It’s not a language technicality. I dont personally believe a generation has more than a handful of true legends. I dont think every teams best player over a decade deserves enshrinement. My bar is high. I’m talking Greg Maddux but not Tom Glavine.

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      • dgk71

        6 years ago

        Thank you. Very helpful.

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  23. 41em

    6 years ago

    What a shame it took baseball 20 years to elect Marvin Miller. It would have been so much more appropriate and deserving to do so when he was alive.

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    • AngelDiceClay

      6 years ago

      That’s a big problem I have with these commities. They put the guy in after he passes away.

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  24. James1955

    6 years ago

    Marvin Miller ruined baseball. Before free agency small market teams could compete and you could hold onto a core and the players had 1 year contracts. The players were paid for performance. and ticket prices were lower.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Anti-union sentiment = you are right wing

      Sorry, this is just how the world works. You might like baseball and the transaction part of it, but you do not deserve a voice in a free country, just as you are fighting for.

      Please ban this clown, MLBTR.

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      • Arnold Ziffel

        6 years ago

        Idiot, no one can have another opinion, right Bernie fan

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      • SaberSmuckers

        6 years ago

        Lol, wait. You want someone banned?

        That is hilarious because you are the worst.

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        • rayrayner

          6 years ago

          Strike Four accused David Freese of being a PED user during the last couple of years. Go check out the comments of the article for Freese’s retirement. It contains a fairly genuine rebuttal from the subject himself.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          That’s hilarious because if you hate what I say, you are actually admitting you are a psycho level poster who needs to chill.

          Chill.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          Freese was CLEARLY roiding, COME. ON.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          6 years ago

          That’s insane, sounds like a nut job.

          He also said that the Yankees were only good the past 30 years because of the mafia’s involvement.

          He’s not stable.

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        • rayrayner

          6 years ago

          He’s both. A bad troll.

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      • terry g

        6 years ago

        He only can have a voice if he agrees with you? Idiot. You don’t have any idea what a Free country is. I disagree with James comment but he ha the right to believe it and say it.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          he ha can shut up too, loser.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          6 years ago

          Was that your attempt at English?

          Impressive.

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      • fox471 Dave

        6 years ago

        Wow, strike four. Relax! Speaking of typical: talk about banning people because you don’t like what they say? Thanks for revealing who you really are.

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      • jd396

        6 years ago

        “Please ban this clown, MLBTR”

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    • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

      6 years ago

      The same way Lincoln, Grant and Sherman ruined the 19th century cotton industry.

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    • TrueOutcomeFan

      6 years ago

      How them boots taste?

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  25. CFAP

    6 years ago

    Ted Simmons, age 70, and his 50.3 WAR finally gets in, yet “experts” think Molina and his 40.2 WAR is a slam dunk first time hall of famer?

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    • whyhayzee

      6 years ago

      Ask Molina’s pitchers what his WAR is, probably over 200.

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      • CFAP

        6 years ago

        Too bad that’s not how things work, but nice try. And I’ll make sure to ask the pitchers that Bob Boone and Jim Sundburg caught.

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        • dimitrios in la

          6 years ago

          Please do ask and you’ll find that Sunburg would have in their eyes a negative WAR; had a reputation fir a long time of being awful with pitchers actually.

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        • CFAP

          6 years ago

          Awesome! Then Sundburg’s WAR of 40.5, same as Molina, isn’t worthy of HOF. Much like all their gold gloves of 6 and 9. Thanks for proving my point that both Sundburg and Molina don’t belong in the HOF.

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      • fox471 Dave

        6 years ago

        “Molina’s pitchers will not be voting. If Molina gets in, might as well close the Hall.

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    • SaberSmuckers

      6 years ago

      Simmons WAR was predominantly from his offense as a catcher/first baseman. Molina’s is about 50/50 between his offense and defense, he’s known as an all-time great defensive catcher.

      That could be part of it, not sure.

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        And Molina has a reputation—deserved—around the league that is downright legendary. That’s not achieved by accident, or by being crappy.

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        • CFAP

          6 years ago

          Legendary? Now there’s a blown out of proportion word. Molina is fortunate that he got to play in an era of mediocre catchers.

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  26. moe 3

    6 years ago

    Great news for Ted he certainly deserves it

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  27. Comrade Tipsy McStagger

    6 years ago

    Finally, Marvin Millers get in. He is probably the most influential and important baseball figure of the past 50 years. He was despised by the owners, like no other figure in baseball history. I am unsure of why previous attempts have been unsuccessful for Miller as the players certainly wanted him in. During Miller’s tenure as the Executive Director of the MLBPA, the average player’s annual salary rose from $19,000 in 1966 to $326,000 in 1982. He also helped foster in the modern free agency and collective bargaining process. R.I.P. and congrats to Marvin Miller.

    Hank Aaron on Miller — “Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of Fame if the players have to break down the doors to get him in.” Tom Seaver — “Marvin’s exclusion from the Hall of Fame is a national disgrace.”
    Joe Morgan said, “They should vote him in and then apologize for making him wait so long.”
    Broadcaster Bob Costas – “There is no non-player more deserving of the Hall of Fame.”[

    2003 and 2007 Balloting

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    • Comrade Tipsy McStagger

      6 years ago

      I was adding the quotes — taken from Wikipedia — and raced against the clock to clean the quotes up. Excuse the messiness.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Miller is a legend to the players. The owners hate him. Perfect person.

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  28. whyhayzee

    6 years ago

    Good for Ted Simmons. Definitely a solid hitter, feared and respected in his time. I was not a Marvin Miller fan but he is clearly HOF worthy.

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  29. cincinnatikid

    6 years ago

    The name not being mentioned is Dave Concepticion much more deserving than Ozzie Smith. The problem was he was overshadowed by the rest of the big red machine

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Concepcion: 40.1/39.7 bWAR/fWAR

      Lou Whitaker: 75.1/68.1 bWAR/fWAR

      Please fight better fights.

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    • SaberSmuckers

      6 years ago

      You’re clearly not picking a fight, as the genius stated.

      You’re just posting your opinion.

      With that said, Concepcion was not better than Ozzie.

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    • rct

      6 years ago

      Ozzie Smith was–by a wide margin–better than Concepcion. Take off your Cincinnati Reds fan glasses for a moment and try looking t it objectively.

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  30. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    While I know he wasn’t up for election, they should consider putting in Brian Giles in the Hall Of Fame. He had a .902 OPS, and was just .009 BA points away from being part of the .300/.400/.500 club.

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    • steelerbravenation

      6 years ago

      Brian Giles is not a HOF

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      • mlb1225

        6 years ago

        I didn’t really think he was either, but if Baines, who I think Giles had a better career than, can make it in, then I don’t see why Giles can’t.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Brian Giles has a 51.1/54.8 bWAR/fWAR

      Lou Whitaker has a 75.1/68.1 bWAR/fWAR

      Please fight better fights.

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        Sweet Lou is the biggest wrong on this year’s ballot. Munson the second biggest wrong.

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      • mlb1225

        6 years ago

        Harold Baines: 38.7 bWAR/38.4 fWAR, .820 OPS, 121 OPS+

        Brian Giles: .902 OPS, 136 OPS+

        Not saying he was totally ripped off, but there are far worse guys in the Hall.

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      • jd396

        6 years ago

        Says the guy whining about race a little ways down the page

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  31. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    Marvin Miller SAVED baseball. I agree with Red Barber; the three biggest figures in MLB history were Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, and Miller.

    A guy that suffered the slings of anti-Semitism (from the owners; “tell that Jew boy to go back to Brooklyn”, one said) and idiocy on the part of people he was trying to help (players) The task was enormous, and he did an unbelievable job. SOME historians claim that all the changes he authored would have happened anyway; but there is NO doubt he moved them along.

    And there’s no pro-union or anti-union argument. EVERYBODY in MLB owes a piece of their profit or paycheck to Marvin Miller.

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  32. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Go Bravos! Stacking them Braves in the hall

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    • steelerbravenation

      6 years ago

      Next up gotta be Murph
      Back to back MVPs how is he not in

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      • socraticgadfly

        6 years ago

        Because Murphy is not even CLOSE to the HOF. Nowhere NEAR. That’s how.

        I’ve dealt with his case in particular for you Tomahawk Choppers, starting with him not deserving one of the two MVP awards. socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2019/12/no-really-dale…

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      • dimitrios in la

        6 years ago

        Dear lord no!!

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    • socraticgadfly

      6 years ago

      Ted Simmons was not a Brave except for a small cup of coffee. He’ll go in as a Cardinal and be thought of as a Cardinal. The Brewers have much more claim than the Barves, for that matter.

      You Tomahawk Choppers can be obnoxious.

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    • fox471 Dave

      6 years ago

      Was Miller a Brave? You can’t be talking about Simmons who spent most of his career in St. Louis.

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  33. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    “Ted Simmons” and “Hall of Fame” have always been two phrases that have seemed to fit together. mentally i always had to correct myself when i thought he had been elected.

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    • TrueOutcomeFan

      6 years ago

      Right?!?!

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  34. Koamalu

    6 years ago

    Congrats to Miller. It is about time that he was elected. He should have been in far before Selig. Most important exec in baseball in the last 50 years.

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  35. Arnold Ziffel

    6 years ago

    Miller ruined baseball for Small markets, guys lie Simmons and Baines have turned Hall of Fame into Hall of Good

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    • MoRivera 1999

      6 years ago

      You obviously don’t know what it was like to be a ML ballplayer before Miller, do you? Either that or you don’t care…

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    • jd396

      6 years ago

      Because being a small market team in the reserve clause era was so great

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    • groundhog5150

      6 years ago

      @ Arnold
      Just seeing your name makes me want to go fry some bacon.

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  36. krillin89

    6 years ago

    Was really hoping Dale Murphy would get it

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  37. ffjsisk

    6 years ago

    Murph is deserving. I’ve heard so many arguments for other big market guys but Murph gets left out. It’s a shame.

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  38. Simodine

    6 years ago

    I watched these guys play and they were very good even great for short periods. Simmons numbers as a catcher do scream hall worthy.

    This is starting to feel a bit like the current system. Get a decent % one time and build up to get you in. I get that from how the writer’s version is but we are talking about 100’s of voters not 16.

    I think it should be one and done from this committee or better yet eliminating this part all together.

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  39. Strike Four

    6 years ago

    Roger Bresnahan, Phil Rizzuto, Ray Schalk, Jesse Haines, Jesse Haines, Lloyd Waner, Tinker/Evers/Chance, Bill Mazeroski, Bruce Sutter = all make HOF

    Lou Whitaker and Dick Allen = not good enough

    MLB = “Why are African-Americans not playing baseball??”

    Worst run pro sport in America

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    • rayrayner

      6 years ago

      Harold Baines and Lee Smith are African Americans. Your comments are so bad, it’s ridiculous.

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      • SaberSmuckers

        6 years ago

        I have no idea what to make of that tool. Do you think he’s trolling or does he not understand the game? And other things for that matter.

        No one could be this bad, has to be a troll.

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    • JoeBrady

      6 years ago

      I think Whitaker & Allen deserve the HOF. But you are an absolute idiot.

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      • wayneroo

        6 years ago

        Not sure I agree with your first sentence ,but I 100% agree with your second.

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Gosh what a sad and reckless post.

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    • wayneroo

      6 years ago

      I didn’t realize there were two guys named Jessie Haines in the HOF. Interesting,

      Reply
      • rct

        6 years ago

        He was so good they inducted him in twice. Maybe the Veteran’s Committee can right a serious wrong and induct him in a third time next year. It’s long overdue.

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    • rct

      6 years ago

      Dick Allen should get in next year. He’s on the ‘Golden Years’ ballot. Maury Wills and Minnie Minoso have a good shot (based on voting numbers from last time). So there goes your ‘racist’ argument, I guess.

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    • fox471 Dave

      6 years ago

      Oh yeah. Now I remember you Strike Four.

      Reply
    • jd396

      6 years ago

      Let me know how your civil commitment hearing goes

      Reply
  40. shortytallz

    6 years ago

    Dale Murphy gets penalized for not being a compiler, which is wrong.

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    • wayneroo

      6 years ago

      The guy played 18 seasons. At what point does someone start being a compiler?

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  41. Attystephenadams

    6 years ago

    It’s been a travesty that the MLB execs have kept MIller out of the Hall for all of these years. It’s no secret that they did it out of spite. He was one of the most important individuals in the history of the game. Sadly, I’m wondering how many of today’s players would have a clue who he was and what they owe to him.

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  42. Mystery Team

    6 years ago

    Catchers have to be judged differently and Simmons played a long time and had 2400 hits, with a solid .285 lifetime average and a decent OPS. He belongs but it’s close. Now if he were anything other than a catcher he’d have zero chance.

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    • wordonthestreet

      6 years ago

      But he is a catcher so he gets compared to catchers. That is no different than any other position group

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  43. Vizionaire

    6 years ago

    VOTE BONDS IN!

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    • fox471 Dave

      6 years ago

      Never!!!!

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      • Vizionaire

        6 years ago

        he had never tested positive while steroids were against mlb rules. babe ruth was an alcoholic when drinking was illegal.

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        • jd396

          6 years ago

          Oh, sweet jeezus, if you’re going to make a Bonds HOF argument please, for the love of all things good and sacred, do not use anything contained in this post as part of your argument

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        • Vizionaire

          6 years ago

          there are a lot of ped user in hof. for one, hank aaron was using greenies. anyone who hit more home runs during steroids era are suspects. and if a-roid and david ortiz are voted in, why hold bonds only accountable for periods of steroids use?

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    • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

      6 years ago

      So, we as a society have gone from “cheaters never win” to “PUT THEM IN THE HALL OF FAME!!!!”?????

      F…orget that.

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  44. butch779988

    6 years ago

    Dwight Evans was deserving.

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  45. Dock_Elvis

    6 years ago

    The Hall lost me a long time ago. I feel it should be for the absolute most deserving of each generation. To me there might not be more than half a dozen in each. Why does David Glass get to vote on this? Hall of Very Good to me. Johnny Bench is the model of that generation. You need to be close to him as a catcher. But with Baines in…its an open contest. It’s not my HOF either way. Great players…just not the pinnacle.

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  46. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Good choices. Simmons’ induction might give Munson a better chance in the future.

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  47. 619bird

    6 years ago

    There’s a lot of guys who may be deserving of making the hall. I’m sure guys like John, Donny Baseball, Murphy and Evans will get in eventually. It’s almost like some of the people who watched them play are afraid of either the play or themselves will croak before they get in.

    With this announcement and the Cardinals being a part of Competitive Balance round A. It’s a good week to be a redbird fan. lol

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  48. fanofthegame

    6 years ago

    Marvin Miller shouldn’t of taken a spot of a ballplayer. They need to make a separate vote for guys who are not ball players to get in the hall., So only one player got in that is a really joke.

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  49. troll

    6 years ago

    what the heck is a near-miss?

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  50. charlesk

    6 years ago

    if catcher Ted Simmons can get in to the Hall of Fame via the Modern Era Ballot, why can’t Dave Stieb?

    Simmons has a career bWAR of 50.3; Stieb’s was 56.4 (16.3 more than Parker, 18.3 more than Garvey and 14 more than Mattingly).

    Not to mention, Stieb had 140 wins as a starter through the 1980s, second only to Hall of Famer Jack Morris. He racked up a 3.29 ERA in 373 starts and 2597.0 from 1980-1991.

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    • SimbaHOF2019

      5 years ago

      I would have voted for Stieb over Morris who makes another romantic over statistics pick.

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  51. miltpappas

    6 years ago

    I always liked Simmons and he should be congratulated, but I lost interest in this whole thing when Harold Baines was elected. You put someone like Baines in, but guys like Maris, Dwight Evans and Tommy John aren’t in?

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  52. Oxford Karma

    6 years ago

    How is Ted Simmons a better player than Thurman Munson. This is nonsense.

    Munson 7 AS in 11 years, an MVP, three top ten finishes. 2 rings. A stud in the postseason. 30 games .357 19 tune 3 hr 22 rbi
    46.1 WAR In 5344 AB 3 gold gloves

    Simmons 8 AS in 21 years, 2 top 10 MVP
    50.1 WAR in 8680 AB 1 silver slugger. .186 postseason avg.

    It’s not even that close

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    • douglasb

      6 years ago

      we never saw Munson decline beyond his last season, which was already mediocre. we never saw some bad years from him like Ted Simons had late in his career. so their career offensive slash lines look similar enough, but through age 32 there is no doubt Simmons was a better hitter.

      you show higher WAR and higher # of AS games for Simmons and claim that means Munson was clearly better? Not seeing your logic there.

      Simmons was better offensively and Munson was better defensively.

      a case can be made Munson belongs. but his case is hardly a travesty.

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      • Oxford Karma

        6 years ago

        My war comparison was that in they were about 8 seasons away in at bats and about two seasons of war. Simmons made more all star games. Munson made it nearly ever year he has mates. I wanted to be fair. I’m not saying Simmons is totally undeserving. He was really good. Just feel like these committees putting in guys who got 3% or Baines who fell off after a few years, maybe should reevaluate how they are choosing.

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  53. PHOENIX

    6 years ago

    Ted Simmons belongs in the hall of fame, so does Dave Parker, Dale Murphy and Thurmon Munson.
    Marvin Miller does not, but the brown nose politically correct writers need Browny points, the Writers have no business voting,,only managers and former players should vote.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: build another building next to the railroad tracks in Cooperstown, Build it for the baseball writers, many of whom couldn’t even play little league ball , and call it THE COOPERSTOWN HALL OF SHAME

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    • Dock_Elvis

      6 years ago

      Writers didnt vote on this…go read the list.

      Reply
  54. riffraff

    6 years ago

    Best way to fix the HOF is to cap the membership at whatever it is now. Then from this point forward in order to add a player you have to remove a player. You want Simmons in? Great now pick who he replaces and kick that player out. Over the course of time this will eliminate the ” well this player should get in because this other player who is worse got in”

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    • tedsfrozenhead

      6 years ago

      Uh…..No
      It is the Hall of the Immortals

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    • SimbaHOF2019

      5 years ago

      How about this. To be elected you have to be at least close to the Avg HOFer in War and Jaws OPS+.
      That way you keep raising the bar while still electing players for the fans.
      If your the best all time in any worthwhile catagory , you should be in.

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  55. DannyQ3913

    6 years ago

    How is Dick Allen not in the HOF?

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    • tedsfrozenhead

      6 years ago

      It is a shame isn’t it?

      Reply
  56. Tony The Wiz

    6 years ago

    A total failure by this committee. Three players should of been put in and they were the best or next to best players at their position when they were playing. Those three are Don Mattingly who was the best player in the American League for a good amount of time until his unfortuntate back injury, Steve Garvey who was the best First Baseman in the National league when he was playing, and the biggest embarrassment by this Hall of Fame is the exclusion of the 2nd best catcher, Thurman Munson, to Johnny Bench when he was playing until his unfortunate death. It is a slap in the face by this committee to induct Ted Simmons a catcher over Munson. It just shows you have to take the vote out of former players and former baseball team organization employees to keep the feelings out of making these decisions. Put these votes into the hands of Baseball Writers, Baseball announcers, and Baseball Historians. The last two years has been a travesty.

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    • SimbaHOF2019

      6 years ago

      Garvey is a Joke. Look at the actual numbers, NOT his overated awards . He was never good enough to be an MVP. writers were mental midgets back then.

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