The Rays’ deliberations about splitting their season between Tampa Bay and Montreal have their fair share of logistical difficulties. Among them could be opposition from the team’s players, who would face unique living and family challenges if the plan were ever to get green-lit.
Until tonight, however, the Players Association had remained quiet about the matter. MLBPA executive director Tony Clark made his first comments in an interview with Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. Understandably, the union is wary of such a move.
“It would be our strong preference that the club and the players remain in Tampa Bay, and that they’re identified with playing in one market,” Clark told Topkin. He added getting the players to go along with a split-season arrangement would “be difficult.”
However, he didn’t foreclose the possibility of player approval entirely. “I’m not going to say it’s impossible that we couldn’t come to an agreement that’s acceptable for them to split between Tampa Bay and Montreal,” the union head told Topkin. He added the MLBPA would have questions and concerns, predictably, as details of the plan take further shape. The union hasn’t received specifics since the initial conversations were announced last June, Topkin relays.
Rays’ officials expected some opposition from the MLBPA but are optimistic any challenges could be sorted out, Topkin says. Specifically, owner Stuart Sternberg has posited that the move could be a boon for Rays’ players. The arrangement would be more profitable than the organization’s current situation, the thinking goes, enabling the club to expand its perennially low payrolls. That, obviously, would mean higher player salaries. That’s plausible enough, but the Players Association figures to want more than Sternberg’s word he’ll loosen the purse strings before signing off on such a monumental change.
No move is imminent regardless. The target date for the beginning of the split season is 2028, Topkin reports, perhaps because of opposition from St. Petersburg city officials. That leaves plenty of time for further discussion. It seems, however, the Rays have become increasingly serious about moving forward in recent months. The organization and officials from Montreal are working to sort out details, including approval from both the league and union, as well as the opening of new stadiums in each market, Topkin adds. There’s sure to be more news on this front as the plan becomes more defined.
The Rays’ long-term future will be one of many areas of focus for the MLBPA in the coming months and years. The collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2021 season. Between the icy free agent markets in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 offseasons, potential seismic changes to the game’s playoff structure, and perhaps some player resentment of the arbitration process, Clark and his staff will have plenty of issues to work through with the league.
Francys01
The Tampa Bay Rays should remain in one place. They should find a new place in Florida where they can count with the support of the fans by having great attendance. By the way, the Rays are a great team.
MrMet62
Orlando!
8
Build a stadium right near Disney
Matt Galvin
Cracker Jack Stadium is already at Disney.
toycannon
Isn’t Tampa very close to Orlando?
NL_East_Rivalry
The stadium is too far away from Tampa let alone anywhere close to Tampa. Their outskirts are about an hour away but realistically it’s more like two. And that is two hours more than anyone down here is willing to drive. They need the stadium off of the interstate or turnpike but the city won’t give money to a project to build a better stadium when no one comes to the games and no one comes because the residents here think it’s too far away. It’s a whole issue
Lloyd Emerson
No.
black69
They’re not two hours away from Tampa. I have family outside Orlando…we made it across Orlando traffic to the stadium in about two hours. It’s about 20-45 minutes, depending on traffic, from Tampa.
antibelt
No. And maybe if they actually played in Tampa and not St.Petersburg they would actually get more people to come.
brickhaus
Depends how far outside Orlando. I could make it from USF to Kissimmee in 1:15 or so, but Downtown Orlando is a solid 20 minutes past that. Let’s put it this way – it was far enough away to not go to Church Street while partying in college. Either way, even if you do get to St. Pete, you’d never go to a night game without getting a hotel.
Koamalu
Its an average of 1 hour 20 minutes from Clearwater or Tampa to a game at the Trop on week nights if there is no wrecks on any of the bridges. By the time you park and get to your seats you have spent 2 hours getting to the games. The Trop is a horrible place to watch baseball.
It’s impossible to get to the Trop from anywhere in the Tampa area other than St Petersburg in 20 minutes even in the best traffic.
If traffic is perfect, its an hour and a half to Orlando from Tampa and 2+ hours from Clearwater, St Petersburg and Bradenton. Traffic is never perfect.
TB RoHo
Really. I drive I-4 everyday. You had a lucky day.
I live in N Tampa. If I got out of work at 5pm. Drove home.About a hour with bumper to bumper traffic. Picked up family.Got back in car.Drove bumper to bumper to St Pete. I probably could catch the top of 2 ND inning.
So the average guy can’t do a week night game.
I only do weekend games.
Put stadium by the Hard Rock and fair grounds.
920kodiak
They should contract Tampa and Miami and have one team in Orlando.
brickhaus
The players union would love getting rid of 26 jobs SO much more than having a team split time between two places.
I don’t think they’d care quite as much if they split with Texas or something. Another team in Canada is more taxes for all the players, and it’s a long enough flight that you can’t commute home from time to time. Frankly, most ballplayers either rent or live nowhere near their team’s city anyway.
Koamalu
Since getting rid of the jobs is not happening, the union will focus on what is possible. That is not having their players in an impossible situation of having to have two homes for their families. Almost all players have their families live near where they play.
Now maybe you care for your family so little that you have them live across the country from where you are spending 6 months of your year, but that is not normal.
TB RoHo
Two different Countries. 2 different tax rates.
Not going to happen
Koamalu
Tampa Bay area is both a larger population with a larger tv market and a higher attendance per capita at professional baseball games.
wordonthestreet
Agreed. Orlando can work
pnedwek
like the Marlins? they’ve had 2 homes and can’t draw
Rocket32
pnedwek Hard for a team to draw fans when they are always a loser and poorly run unless they are in NY (Jets and Knicks say hello). Can’t blame Florida for the Marlins attendance issues. Marlins have been a disaster for years now. Last time they had an even just decent team on the field was 2009.
Rays are a well run quality organization. Nothing like the Marlins. Put the Rays in the right location in Florida and they’ll draw fans.
stansfield123
Lol. Rays are a well run, quality organization…but they still shouldn’t be allowed to decide for themselves where they wanna play. You still feel the need to tell them exactly where they need to go to be successful.
It can’t possibly be that, being well run, and quality, and all that, we should perhaps assume that they have competent management, which looked into all the options, and take their word for it that Montreal is a far better place than Florida, if you want to build a winning baseball franchise. Because we know better, even though we’ve never even worked in pro sports, let alone run an entire MLB team.
jleve618
The Marlins didn’t draw when they were good.
Samuel
What MLB is doing – shared teams.
Tampa can pair with Montreal – cold city/warm city – lots of April and September games in Florida, lots of summer games in Montreal.
Once the precedence is set, old, cold baseball cities that can’t draw can share teams. Miami & Cleveland. Pittsburgh & Las Vegas. Even get Oakland squared away with the A’s sharing its games with Sacramento.
Who cares if a city is going to spend a billion dollars for a baseball park to get 40 games a year? The teams can generate cash from local cable TV sales.
its_happening
You are assuming Olympic Stadium will lift the roof during the summer? Do you know they have to replace the roof and they won’t be doing that until 2024? The province is in-debt and has a funding problem, which is why Montreal is not a viable place for baseball.
black69
No. Florida is a different place with different values. The Marlins didn’t pack the house for playoff games. They’ll never be an ideal local for baseball.
spinach
And the guy is wrong anyway about last decent team being in 2009. They were plenty decent like 4 years ago. They had an MVP and soon-to-be MVP and were competing for the playoffs.
kc38
You can’t group a whole state the size of Florida together. Tampa and Miami are two entirely different markets and cultures
920kodiak
So many issues with Montreal. What has changed since 2004 to make Montreal viable? They used to live off of Bronfman money. Once he sold, they became exactly like Tampa and Miami are now.
jk
In 2003, the Marlins drew 1.3 million fans on their way to a world series victory.
its_happening
Spinach is correct. Fernandez dying absolutely destroyed what was a very good core of Yelich, Ozuna, Stanton and Realmuto.
User 4245925809
As another poster noted.. Orlando would be even better location than the REAL city of Tampa which the team is named after. St pete is about the worst of all locations for this team and anyone traveling west towards tampa to go to a game can attest to it.
No wonder the Rays have abysmal attendance. move the team closer to central Florida to tag in twin city draw (Orlando-Tampa), or leave it at ST Pete and lose it.
wordonthestreet
I agree John
IronWarPigs
Not Florida would be a great start. Larger markets include: Portland, San Antonio, Nashville, Vegas and New Orleans
kc38
I love when people say larger markets are elsewhere lol. The population is rising faster in Florida than any other state by far. The rays continue to be top 5 in TV ratings.
jleve618
It’s rising because old people move there. Old people don’t go to games, they watch on tv.
stansfield123
Too bad that the majority of baseball’s revenues come from live attendance. This isn’t football, where you play 16 games, and they generate massive enough ratings that the ad money pays for it.
They play 162 games for a reason: that’s how you sell 3-4 million tickets, and beer, food and merchandise to go along with them. That’s how baseball makes far more money than football, even though it is significantly less popular.
For whatever reason, this just doesn’t happen in Florida. They just lack the passion to show up to the games every day for six months.
kc38
Use your brain for a second and think about it, both of you really I never said tv was gonna save the team I said there’s obviously people watching. Secondly even if half are “old people” there still a way to get those other millions of people to a game somehow. I live in Florida I go to a lot of games. I hate that drive with a passion into St. Pete. Lightning games are much more enjoyable and quicker and easier to get into as I attend a lot of those as well, I would say about half the people at lightning games don’t even know what they are looking at but they’re a young crowd with energy and just enjoying a night out. Tickets are tickets and that’s all the Rays need is people to buy tickets and moving to Tampa would 100% get that done
Lanidrac
Most of the other half are snowbirds and poor Cubans. The snowbirds are actually there to go to hockey games, though. They aren’t there during most of baseball season.
toycannon
A team in Portland would kill the Mariners base. Vancouver would be better.
black69
Vancouver would be horrible logistically for travel.
Strike Four
Vancouver is 100 miles from Seattle
Portland is 200 miles from Seattle
misterb71
The product the Rays put on the field is excellent. The individuals responsible for getting fans to show up and support the team are terrible. Ownership is solely to blame for the debacle. They’ve had 20 years to realize the present ballpark is untenable and they should have had a new ballpark under construction for the last few years. If the market can’t support what is becoming a more consistently solid club then it’s time to move them elsewhere.
Strike Four
@MisterB_71 – the problem is 90% of baseball fans in Florida are Yankees fans. If anything the Yankees should play half their home games in Tampa, and the Rays should move to San Jose or Dallas.
Strike Four
Florida and Arizona should go back to being ST locations only. MLB has failed in both areas. Clark is terrible at his job.
Lanidrac
MLB franchises can’t draw well anywhere in the Snowbird State. The people with most of the money don’t live there during baseball season! Just move them to Montreal (or somewhere else) permanently!
Tim_Buck-Two
The Rays should play in only one city, if Stan Kronke was able to move the Rams from St. Louis because “any team playing there will suffer financial ruin” then I don’t see why the Rays should suffer financial ruin in Tampa. There are a lot of other cities who would love to have an mlb team playing there. Flordia isn’t a good baseball market, even when the teams are competitive and winning. I hope they are allowed a new home like the Expos were allowed where more than 5,000 people will show up for games to watch a team that wins over 90 games in a season.
Koamalu
That would be Tampa. Currently they are in St Petersburg.
Iknowmorebaseball
How stupid of an idea.
black69
The expos did it.
Lanidrac
…and it was terrible for them.
delete
The Rays should be moved to Houston to replace the Astros in the AL West and an expansion team in the AL East should be given to Charlotte, Nashville, Montreal, Huntsville, or some other hungry eastern city
Mick1956
I’m still surprised nobody has moved, or attempted to move, to TN or NC. I know ATL has had a stronghold but with the successful expansion of football and other pro sports, one would think a team there would be more successful than the Rays are here.
Lanidrac
Baseball requires larger markets than football, though. NFL teams only have to draw for 8 to 10 games a years. MLB teams have 81+ home games each year. It’s also why MLB hasn’t expanded to Indianapolis nor New Orleans.
IronBallsMcGinty
Seriously? Just because the astros screwed up is no reason to entirely remove them from mlb. The scandal will fade as the years go on. It will no doubt leave a bad stain on their history but they will move past it one day.
As for the Rays, why not Daytona?
Strike Four
Yes, both the Astros and Rockets should be folded. Houston should ideally have no pro sports teams being that they have been such failures and their fans such clueless idiots.
Valkyrie
Hey scooter, your Yankees are NEVER getting that ring for 2017.
Pull up your big boy pants and move on.
the cuban solution
Geography is not this one’s strong suit.
delete
@thecuban If you have something you want to say, say it.
dshires4
There’s no reason to stay there. Not sure why Clark wants to die on that pointless hill.
mcdusty49
Don’t think it’s a matter of staying there as much as it is not splitting home cities during a season
dirkg
TB and Montreal are 1500 miles apart. A player would normally be at his home stadium 81 games. The split proposal would be about half that. Granted not every player considers his “home” where he plays (i.e. Trout), but I know having myself a wife and kids, we would need to settle in the home area and I would not want this proposal.
phillyballers
If they weren’t given money by the rest of the league, how much money would they lose just from operating an empty stadium?
dave frost nhlpa
This guy is a chump. He sold out 29 teams to protect one.
MLB in Tampa Bay IS NOT WORKING.
I’m done with this clown.
kc38
It’s not in Tampa. Tampa would actually work
uvmfiji
True
920kodiak
Ybor City would probably have worked, as well.
JobuKnows
MLB in St. Petersburg is not working. Build a stadium in Tampa, they will come Ray. Proof: TB Lightning
Lanidrac
The Lightning aren’t proof of anything. The snowbirds actually live there during hockey season.
Appalachian_Outlaw
He didn’t sell out anyone here, yet. He’s the President of the Players Association, and his duty is to them. Imagine being one of the 26 guys on the Rays, and having a family- how much more time do you lose with them under this proposal? Where do you put down roots? Which community do you engage? Do you pay extra taxes, playing 41 games in Canada?
The fact that he left the door ajar on this idiotic idea though sure leaves the possibility on the table for him to sell someone out: those players. As Union heads go, this guy is pretty awful.
MLB needs to pick one city, and the team just needs to be there.
misterb71
You’re ignoring one major fact in your argument. Because of existing contracts none of this split-city silliness can happen before the 2028 season. Nobody under contract now really needs to worry about where they live or put down roots because of what was being discussed with the team half-moving to Montreal.
fox471 Dave
A lot can change in nine years.
Valkyrie
I’m sure he’ll be DEVASTATED to hear that.
phillyballers
Las Vegas Sun Rays
VegasSDfan
Las Vegas X-Rays
zauberman12
Montreal Expos – redux.
Tigernut2000
Indianapolis 500’s
920kodiak
Las Vegas Athletics.
Bruin1012
Why not Tampa has not supported the team let them play half there games in Toronto and half in Tampa see who supports theM better then that’s were they stay. It’s embarrassing how they supported in Tampa if it’s the stadium then demand a new ballpark but for crying out loud support that we’ll run dynamic team.
MWeller77
I think you meant Montreal instead of Toronto?
kc38
Team isn’t in Tampa
JobuKnows
Thanks for the headache
WeedBedWilly
Montreal deserves a big league team. I for one miss the expos. They got screwed.
Appalachian_Outlaw
I agree, but not like this. MLB needs to work out something in TB, and Oakland. If not, move TB to Montreal, and Oakland to Las Vegas. If they do work out something suitable, they should expand into Montreal and Las Vegas.
Lanidrac
The Athletics are actually finally getting a new stadium (and don’t play in the Snowbird State). In a few years, they should be in much better financial shape.
uvmfiji
Market was very successful in 80s.
its_happening
Montreal screwed Montreal. They deserve a AA or AAA team, not a major league team.
920kodiak
I miss the Expos, too, as I was a fan, but GuestsHere is absolutely right.
its_happening
So was I 920. They had some solid teams.
Valkyrie
Their last two seasons in Montreal they averaged less than 5000 per game.
If you miss them, you’re one of the only ones
cgallant
Yeah good luck signing free agents to play there when only have 40 home games a year and see your family half as much as if you played for any other team.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Spot on. If I’m a FA, and I had any other option, I’m telling my agent to ignore your calls altogether.
VegasSDfan
Count the games in Montreal as away games. Problem solved
Lanidrac
So every other AL team is going to willingly give up at least 3 home games every season? I don’t think so.
harlanstone
Just leave Tampa altogether. Bring back the Expos!
Mick1956
The Expos has worse attendance than the Rays. They averaged like 7k per game. Thus, they dissolved and we now have the world champion Nationals.
Mick1956
Had**
misterb71
The collapse of the Expos in Montreal was a self-inflicted wound caused by Jeffrey Loria. It was all part of a grand scheme (that worked) to get MLB to bankroll his move south of the border. For that mess alone Bud Selig should be remembered as one of the worst commissioners in the history of the game.
its_happening
Expos fans stopped showing up to games long before Loria. He was just the guy they brought in to close things out in the 9th inning.
920kodiak
The collapse in Montreal started when Bronfman sold. The Brochu consortium was perpetually broke.
cgallant
You want to bring baseball back to Montreal just have each team play a series there each year. Like how the Sox and Yanks did in London last year.
cgallant
And what happens if the Rays make the playoffs. Do you split their home games between the two cities? Thus creating the need for extra travel days?
22222pete
I think the solution is a 10% increase in salary as a extra living/housing/tax allowance for players with families and 5% for singles with a cap at 100,000 for both.
Make the home games in Montreal during summer months when kids are out of school, and April/May/September in Tampa. That way families can stay together during home games
YankeesBleacherCreature
The issue isn’t so much about money as even the league min is plenty for most. It’s a lifestyle issue. Tampa and Montreal are 4.5 apart by plane. That adds a ton of travel to an already-packed season schedule.
zauberman12
Games are seasonal not staggered. Early season in Florida and summer in Montreal.
suddendepth
What reasonable player would want to establish two home fronts like that?
MoRivera 1999
As executives who traveled a lot what we used to say about the fractured home life was, “that’s why we get paid the big bucks.” Players get paid a lot of money in part to endure the schedule and travel. As 22222pete suggested, players with a split home base could be compensated more, in part to cover the cost of a second home base. Not ideal but it’s the kind of thing executives and salesman accommodate for much less…
Koamalu
Would you move your kids to a new home and a new school district in different countries multiple times a year for a 10% increase in pay?
Baseball players have families and those families live where the players play their home games.
Rangers29
I wish that the Rays had the funds to get a HUGE named guy like Lindor, Betts Harper, or Rendon, so that casual baseball fans could see a huge name in the lineup, (not that Ji man Choi isn’t a huge name, but that’s besides the point) and maybe attract them to more games.
Another thing is their stadium. I loved going to Globe Life Park even in the dead of summer, because it was a beautiful park (I mean it was the temple). It had Greene’s Hill out in CF, it had Joey Gallo’s popcorn stand, triple decked, and it just looked huge (mostly because the roof was open). That’s why Tampa needs a retractable roof, not just a roof, a retractable roof. To where on summer nights when it’s 80 degrees and 100 percent humidity, you can sit out in the open air and watch a good team play baseball. Because right now the Trop feels like a smart car, what I mean by that is it’s compact, all of the white walls and roof just looks bland. Get a new stadium! In Tampa! If Montreal wants a team than MLB should expand to 32 teams and let Austin and Montreal get a team!
dshires4
They went to the World Series and couldn’t draw during the regular season and following season. Big name players won’t fix that..
YankeesBleacherCreature
Here’s an idea… Explore moving the Rays to Montreal permanently. Expand MLB and add two new franchises. One new team in a more favorable Tampa Bay area location. Another in Las Vegas. We’re already adding jobs with a 26-man roster so why not even more. Baseball continues to thrive.
JobuKnows
Why would the Rays move away from the area for a new expansion team? Move Rays to/near downtown Tampa. Expansion team in Montreal, sure.
Koamalu
Montreal was at the bottom of baseball in attendance.
Mick1956
Biggest problem with establishing Rays faithful is that everyone living in that area is from somewhere with a much more popular team, ie, NY, Mass, Michigan, TX, Ga… so, they already have their favorite team. Couple that with the advantage to continually see your favorite big league team in spring training while living in Florida and there’s not much to draw fans from their hometown teams.
JobuKnows
How do you explain the success and support for the Lightning who play their games in downtown Tampa? All of those states, except for GA, have hockey teams too,
MoRivera 1999
Following his point, I guess because they are fans of teams from other places.
Tigernut2000
Not sure I buy that Mick. Don’t know about now, but years ago, Angels’ games drew about 50% from the visiting team’s fans.
fox471 Dave
Agree with Mick. Lifelong Dodger fan. Several years ago contemplated a move to Arizona. Really like the Dbacks stadium. Plans changed but would have remained a Dodger fan, while supporting Dbacks.
Vizionaire
move the rays to houston. the megalopolitan of that many people should have 2 baseball teams like every other big cities. and they can keep the rays name and not look stupid.
j817
Problem with this is, yea Houston is the 4th largest city in country it isn’t in the largest media market in its own state. Houston is the 7th largest media market while Dallas/Fort Worth is the 5th.
kc38
Solution is quite simple, move team to Tampa alongside the other 2 major sports teams and access many many more fans to actually make a game. You’re then connecting Orlando residents and both more north and south residents. St. Pete is kinda off in its own world and absolutely dreadful to cross over and get into. Bringing the games across the bay would 100% up attendance as they finish consistently in top 5 in tv ratings…. fans care and they’re paying attention
sergefunction
Clark can shut up, take Manfred, and go hide someplace far away. And, let the games finally begin.
bdubm4
MLB PDX
rangers92
Portland/Vancouver could definitely support an MLB team.
San Bernardino/Ontario/River Side Area could support one as well..
That would add two teams to the west side
It would be nice if the Astros and Rangers were not in the west division
So many game times of 9pm-Midnight is not cool..
They need to re shuffle the teams into different divisions when they do add some mlb teams.
Las Vegas I think could do it
San Antonio..put it on the north east side to attract more people from Austin
Charlotte
Nashville and Oklahoma City could probably support an MLB team in about 10 years as well
There should be growth in baseball just like the population is growing
I look forward to the expansion
Fuck Me Bitch
I look forward to retraction. The skill level has dropped considerably. Fewer teams means better teams!
tigerdoc616
That would be contraction, and it is not going to happen. Plus, horrible myth that the talent is more diluted now. Actually better than it has ever been. The players work harder and train all year. They are bigger, stronger, faster. Plus, the US population has nearly doubled since the league last had 16 teams. Plus, we now have players from all over the world coming to play in the US.
Not saying I favor expansion, though it will eventually happen. But nobody is getting contracted.
Fuck Me Bitch
Well, Portland and Vancouver are 315 miles apart. Are you saying they should share a team? Not sure what your “/” means?
plem
Portland is across the Columbia River from Vancouver Washington
fox471 Dave
Just say Portland.
rangers92
Obviously I’m talking about Vancouver WA which is just 10 miles north of Portland. Right across the River. Clark county has 500k people living there.. they would be a decent part of the fan base..
I’m not talking about Vancouver Canada that’s 300+ miles away…
Wtf lol
rognog
Inland Empire CA is the largest untapped population base in the country, but, the MLB is based on fiefdoms and the Dodgers and Angels own that market and will never allow it to happen.
cecildawg
Great Tony! Then give life to all envolved in the cheating. Include yourself.
cecildawg
Get some IRON BALLS and understand this astros cheating is not gonna fade with the wind.
StPeteStingRays
Just move the goddamn team to Tampa already, and we could be done with all the ignorant and foolish trolling of the Rays.
fox471 Dave
Yes!
phillyballers
Summer Home Games = Vegas/Montreal. Fall Home Games = Tampa.
FishyHalo
You must have an in door stadium in Las Vegas.
Climate change is a thing. Summer are only going to become hotter and longer. If someone is gonna spend hundreds of millions on a stadium there, they’re making it with a roof. It’s all about that estaminet
FishyHalo
Wait when did the Rays move to Tampa?
They need to build a stadium near Tampa bay.
KingBong
How about just build a new stadium in the Tampa city limits and get the Rays out of St. Petersburg and Tropicana Field?
Problem solved.
CrookedAsstros
Splitting a team between Tampa Bay and Montreal is one of the dumbest ideas ever if only for purely logistical reasons.
chieflove42
they don’t play in Tampa now.
rudyrudnick
THE rays always have a good team yet the fans don’t come to games the rays should move out of tampa now
kenphelps44
Being from the Northwest I say a huge no to Portland. As of Feb 2019 Portland ranked 10th worst rush hour traffic in the country and they would have to rely on Vancouver, WA as a major part of their fan base. How are they going to get there? Pick up a map. They aren’t going to draw fans from the west because of the ocean. They have the aforementioned traffic problem to the north. To the east you have limited population along the Columbia River. You do have population to the south but you run into traffic issue again.
And one of the reasons St. Pete has an attendance problem is the traffic and moving to Portland isn’t going to make that problem go away.
25 percent of the time the Mariners home games are played with the roof closed. So is Portland considering a carport stadium or a completely domed stadium?
Washington has no state income tax but Oregon does. Supposing both teams offer a Free Agent identical contracts in the 10s or 100s of million dollar range which team will likely win out?
Someone stated above that the Rays have a good TV viewership. So will it be that much better in Portland? Doubtful.
Granted Mariners 2019 attendance was only half of what it was in 2002 and a lot of that fault lies on the backs of ownership and team management part of attendance drop was not only on poor win-loss records it’s the novelty of a new state of the art ballpark in Safeco Field wore off. What happens when Portland’s shiny new toy loses it’s luster? Do you honestly believe you are going to steal away the lost metro area Seattle fans to put fannies in a Portland ballpark?
In the Northwest League Hillsboro and Salem-Keizer combined barely topped that throbbing metropolis of Spokane in 2019. Heck, it wasn’t that long ago Portland had a AAA team and they couldn’t draw.
All that in mind why make an East Coast problem a West Coast problem? MLB just say no to Portland. There are much better places to have a franchise.
Tigernut2000
All good reasons to look at Indianapolis. That town is alive with activity all year long.
Natural rivalries with the Cubs, Tigers, Sox, Cards, and Reds will bring the crowds. Shorter travel distances will appeal to the league.
I’m not so sure visitors to Vegas are looking to attend a baseball game. There is too much competition for the entertainment dollar. Midwesterners are still into baseball, As for the great northwest? Not so sure.
fox471 Dave
Good analysis.
Bill nd
First city that builds a 35,000 seat retractable dome gets the Rays full-time, Tampa, Orlando or Montreal.
30 Parks
You are correct. MLB is calling the bluff, in a sense, of Tampa & Montreal. If you build it, they will come.
matt4baseball
All this twin city-2 stadium plan has very little to do with Fan support, it is ownership greed to acquire multiple Cable and/ or Media contracts worth between 75 and 300 million per! Yes the Rays would double their 14k present average fan base if they moved to Tampa but that money is peanuts compared to the 2 Cable deals! If the players association doesn’t complain the players will be playing home games all over China and Japan as well before long. I wouldn’t believe the owners to raise the players salaries or top players after they got what they wanted as well! The Rays don’t want to lose the 80 mill contact they just signed with our local cable co….They want 2 contracts from 2 cities and paying patrons are a distant 2nd for non taxable profits.!
tigerdoc616
The proper solution to this situation is either to get the Rays a new stadium, or let them move to a different city. Splitting them between two cities is a horrible plan.
realgone2
Who is more incompetent? Clark or manfred? It’s like a battle of morons
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The only thing Manfred has achieved as MLB commissioner was curb stomping Tony Clark at the bargaining table.
Clark is absurdly unqualified and bad at his job.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
This is a dumber idea than an NFL team in London.
its_happening
We’ve been over this; location is the problem in Tampa. Knew that 10 years ago attending my first Rays game and talking to locals. The stadium is about 90 minutes from Disney on a clear, traffic-free day. That means it’s closer to 2 hours from where the Orlando Magic play.
Build a stadium in Tampa. One local I spoke to way back suggested near Florida State Fairground. But the idea of Disney isn’t bad either. Disney is close to some of the current and former spring facilities like Lakeland, Winter Haven, KIssimmee to name a few. Obviously Tampa could draw from Clearwater, Dunedin, Bradenton and Lakeland.
Get out of St Petes.
Strike Four
Get out of Florida, almost all Florida baseball fans are Yankees fans. Unless you want to move a bunch of Yankees home games there, MLB needs to only exist in FL during Spring Training.
its_happening
Get out of Oakland first before Florida. Contract or move the A’s.
I’ve been to Rays games. They have a fanbase that can sustain a strong attendance if the park was actually in Tampa.
dpsmith22
now the mlbpa wants to dictate where players play. it’s sad to see how bad the tug of war and egos have hurt the game.
suddendepth
It’s actually a case of where the players are going to live during the season. The team doesn’t run home fronts for players. That is personal business. If you had a choice would you choose to go through the hassle of lease two SHORT TERM apartments in two different cities for extended “Homestands”? Maybe the rich players can afford to do this but the new players who have been guzzling minor league salaries and are just getting their feet under them may not have that luxury. And with Montreal in the equation you’re complicating that apartment hunting process with French language considerations. I’m with the players on this one. This is garbage. Move the stadium or move the team altogether.
theredsoxrule
The only smart decision is to move them out of FL permanently… moving to a different city in FL with a new stadium will NOT change their attendance issues
StPeteStingRays
Clueless
cubsnomore
Agreed. Charlotte NC is the 16th largest city in the US. They currently have the White Sox AAA team but that’s it. Charlotte could easily support an MLB team.
Strike Four
San Jose is 10th biggest but they’re only allowed a single-A ball team despite showing up and selling out for their NHL and MLS and NFL (lol the “San Francisco” 49ers are a 10 min drive from the Sharks) teams located there. Also SJ has incredibly good weather and a lack of summer rains, unlike Charlotte/the east coast.
The Bay Area NEEDS three teams and MLB is allowing the Giants to bend them over due to some handshake deal (that they lied about) in 1992 with the A’s. Pathetic all-round. SF is SF, Oakland is Oakland and SJ needs a MLB team.
920kodiak
The Bay Area struggles supporting two teams, let alone three. Moving Oakland to San Jose makes sense, though.
its_happening
Move the A’s out of California. 1 Bay Area team is enough. They don’t deserve another.
Strike Four
Bingo. MLB’s MASSIVE failure with Florida baseball is the inability to understand almost all baseball fans in Florida are retired New Yorkers who love the Yankees and nothing else. It’s impossible to get a senior citizen to start following a new team.
matt4baseball
Maybe true they will get more fans in another city, But try to convince Stu to leave behind 250 mill 1/2 the Trop site land is worth and he wants (as per fulfillment of contract). His 80 mill Fl. Cable contract per year (5th best audience in country) 40 mill per yr for small market compensation, and a general profit of 12 million for the 13k average fans. Stu’s making money just not Yankee/Dodger money..
disneydave
St Pete let the Rays out of the lease. The owner wants the city to pay the majority of the stadium (thank you marlins and buccaneers for having the city pay the whole bill), St Pete, wants the owner to still pay them something even though they wouldn’t be there anymore. Getting home to Tampa, then back to St Pete is impossible. St Pete, has a lot of retired and fixed income, so the local fan base that goes is minimal. We in Tampa wish Jeff Vinik, owned the team. He seems to know how to do everything right as an owner.
VegasSDfan
How long does it take to drive from Tampa to St. Petersburg?
How long to return home?
Think about someone traveling from Orlando.
So, the fanbase in the city of St. Pete can’t support the fanbase alone. And the people outside of the city can only arrive from one direction to get to the stadium, from the North?
The team must move to a more convenient location to travel to.
StPeteStingRays
To all the brilliant commenters on here that don’t know what a map looks like:
THE TAMPA BAY RAYS AREN’T IN TAMPA!!!!
its_happening
Yep. They also do not understand how bad Montreal was and still is.
920kodiak
Montreal was a bag of hurt on a lot of levels. While not the only reason, the 1994 strike and ensuing fire sale was the proverbial nail in the coffin.
DarkSide830
Florida is mostly full of individuals who arent big sports fans. thus, the Florida market is actually quite small relative to Florida’s population size. like is the case with most sports, the MLB has oversatuated the Florida market. time to move one team to an underrepresented area like OKC, Vegas, Vancouver, Nashville, or the Carolinas. Tampa is a good team, let them move to Miami. Make the Marlins go elsewhere.
Eatdust666
Tony Clark is a softie, just like Rob Manfred.
prov356
My strong preference is for the Rays to move to Nashville. We have a site and a privately funded stadium design ready,.
TheAdrianBeltre
Destination Doubleheaders. Fifteen well-placed dates throughout the season for two thought out non franchise cities to host a doubleheader. Teams change dugouts after the first game, that way parents/kids that pay for the double on the 1st/3rd sides can get close to both teams. Each city gets 30 games, sees each team twice, while each team loses two home games. I think it would be better for baseball’s popularity and more profitable than, say, inner league play. Even five games for each team makes 37-38 games for each city, almost a full season of games hosted. This could be a good way to test the waters for expansion as well.
Strike Four
lmao MLB will never allow cities to actually audition for teams straight up like that.
Best we will get will be London, PR etc.
jd396
Switching dugouts between games, so the 12 people right by the dugout can see more players… the equipment managers are going to go on strike
HarveyD82
I don’t get this love affair with Montreal. here’s what happens if a team goes there: theyll suck just like Cleveland browns.
pjcolt
Marlins screwed TBR. I don’t like public money being used on stadiums but giving any to Loria was a terrible mistake. Florida cities are going to be extra wary of giving baseball teams money after the Marlins fiasco. A shame to because this team could be incredible if they made more money. See what Friedman was able to do in LA
Rsox
The only problem with Baseball in Tampa Bay is there is no Baseball in Tampa Bay. A crappy stadium in a bad area of hard to get to outskirts doesn’t attract fans. A new stadium in actual Tampa may actually attract fans to Rays games. Becoming the Tampa Bay Rays of Montreal is not the solution to the Rays stadium issues.
James1955
There not enough baseball fans in Florida to support baseball teams, They think they are the only fans to cross a bridge or have a public financed stadium. The teams should move.
stratcrowder
I couldn’t agree more.
stratcrowder
While I think that Tampa should remain the only place to play home games, I have a few other thoughts on them staying in Tampa. (As MLB has once again pulled the rug out from under Montreal.) It’s a shame because that really was a city that loved its team. Anyway, Tampa and Miami both should be relocated. Florida is a terrible state for MLB. It sucks for the fans that actually support the teams, but they would be better served moving to places like Charlotte and Oklahoma City. If I lived in Tampa or Miami, I would be a season ticket holder. There’s not enough people like me in either place.
James1955
Strike four meaningless posts.
jd396
Florida is probably the best baseball state in the union but that has never extended to support for the MLB teams. So many people are just fans of any of the other 28 teams. It’s a shame because the Rays always keep the talent flowing despite the shameful attendance and miserable revenue.
Rsox
Playing in a concrete igloo will do that to any team. It’s almost a disgrace to the game that the A’s and Rays stadium situations have gone on this long with no resolution. At least there is a glimmer of hope and progress on the A’s front.
MLB doesn’t want to relocate franchises if they don’t have to. Manfred has eyes on expansion at some point and relocating teams takes away potential expansion sites. He just can’t do it until something finally gives and these teams get new Ballparks.
bass86
baseball teams do not work in Florida. when is Major League baseball going to learn this. neither team can draw
Rem
I think the split season/home idea is incredibly stupid. So they can’t get Tampa to build them a new ballpark for a full season of games, but they expect not one but TWO cities to build them ballparks for half the number of games? Makes complete sense to me…..
Rsox
And that’s the problem right there. It’s not like they are going to play in a shiny new state of the art ballpark in Montreal, they are going to have to play in the Expos mausoleum in Olympic Stadium. They will have to split their home games in not one, but two crappy stadiums.
Much of this Is a means to try to force the hand of city officials in Tampa/St.Pete to build them a new stadium or risk the team leaving. Tactics like that have worked in other cities before but sometimes it doesn’t (see Raiders/Chargers).
mco_rays_fan
Give me Orlando downtown or Lake Burma Vista (Disney). I’d buy season tickets today.
mco_rays_fan
*Lake Buena Vista