It was on this day back in 1890 that the Dodgers played their first game as members of the National League, as the team then known as the Brooklyn Bridegrooms dropped a 15-9 result to the Boston Beaneaters. Brooklyn switched leagues after winning the American Association championship in 1889, and immediately continued their success against their new competition, posting an 86-43 record in 1890 to win the NL title. This was the first of 23 NL pennants won by the Dodgers franchise, tied with the Giants for the most in league history.
Some notes from modern-day baseball…
- Adam Warren headed into the free agent market after undergoing Tommy John surgery last September, so amidst all of that uncertainty, he “didn’t look anywhere else” once he received interest from the Yankees, the right-hander told George A. King III of the New York Post. Having already pitched for the Yankees in two separate stints earlier in his career, Warren said the Bronx Bombers “were my ideal team….It was a situation where I didn’t have that much bargaining power and I wanted to catch on with a team that would take a chance on me. I was very fortunate the Yankees wanted to do that.” Warren signed a two-year minor league contract with New York, with the expectation being that he would spend the 2020 season recovering from surgery and be ready to pitch in 2021. If a reworked 2020 schedule leads to games deep into October or November, Warren admitted that “kind of tempts me to come back quicker, but the timing of the surgery it would feel like I am rushing back. The most realistic goal is treat this as a gone year.” The recovery process seems to be going rather smoothly for Warren, who said “fortunately I haven’t missed a beat too much with my rehab” even while being limited to working out at his home.
- The Jose Quintana-for-Eloy Jimenez (and Dylan Cease) trade may not be a fond memory for Cubs fans, though an even more lopsided deal between Chicago’s two teams took place back in 1998. The Athletic’s James Fegan looks back at what he described as the best trade in at least the modern era of White Sox history, when the Sox acquired Jon Garland from the Cubs in July 1998 for right-handed reliever Matt Karchner. The Cubs wanted some bullpen help for their playoff drive, and picked up Karchner even though he was in the midst of struggles that lasted both before and after the trade. Karchner pitched two more injury-plagued years and was out of baseball after the 2000 season, while Garland went on to become a mainstay of the White Sox rotation. Garland averaged 179 innings per season from 2000-07, and played a major role for the Southsiders’ World Series-winning team in 2005.
Jon Garland was a durable average pitcher. A four or a five in an elite rotation, certainly better than what they got tho.
Sounds like James Shields.
James shields was a little better
Bartolo says otherwise about James Shields
So on the topic of lopsided Cubs/Sox trades, Jon Garland is the one that comes to mind. Because I can think of another one.
Uh Sammy Sosa for George Bell? Thank you sir you nailed it.
Meh… Sosa used PEDs and corked bats with the Cubs, and they still didn’t win a championship with him. I think when all is said and done, the Quintana trade will prove most damaging of all for the northsiders.
Meh….your 1993 Chisox could have won the World Series without that trade. And you may have made the playoffs in 1995 and 1996. The White Sox had no issue bringing in a cork bat hero in Albert Belle.
The Sosa trade must sting especially because it may have cost you World Series runs in the following years, while Jimenez nor Garland would have won a WS with the Cubs. And as previously mentioned, Belle was a cheat too. So you can’t take the moral high road on this one.
@wild bill tetley
I seriously doubt that Belle was dependent on a corked bat for anywhere near his 10 year career.
How is Karchner for Garland more lopsided than Quintana for Jimenez?
Quintana has been above average at best. Jimenez has the potential to be a stud at the MLB level.
Garland was OK, and maybe above average at times, but the Cubs traded him when he was low in the minors.
I’d take Jimenez back over the Garland trade.
Full body of work has yet to be determined.
And well since the ultimate goal is to win a WS and Garland did and pitched well, we’ll have to see if Jimenez leads the Sox to that same trip.
Karchner was also a bad reliever and Garland was the 10th pick in the draft the year before. That deal was stupid from the start.
Part of the reasons why the Cubs only have 1 banner in the last 100 years!
#southsidescumbags #whitetrash
Nobody makes worse trades than the Chicago Cubs, historically. It’s probably why Cubs fans have such short memories.
Hashtags are also stupid.
ChiSoxCity is not a Cubs hater, just to let everyone know.
**@ChiSoxCity
As a lifelong Red Sox fan, I would have to challenge that comment
@jdgoat—-of course he’s not a cubs hater—and he’s the one with the short memory—if not he would have remembered these trades:
Godley for Montero
Dempster for Hendricks
Valbuena for Fowler
Feldman for Arrieta and Strop
Cashner for Rizzo
Samardzija for Russell
Vogelbach for Montgomery
Marshall for Wood
There are eight of the worst trades that I can remember……(and yes, I remembered, yet left off the Chapman trade—because obviously, he will say that the Cubs would have won the World Series without that one)
some short memory you must have to forget the ill-fated Fernando Tatis Jr. deal only a few years prior.
the Rizzo trade was pretty sweet
again, terrible to act like acquiring anyone that helps you at all in winning a world series. if the Rays traded Wander Franco for a nobody who finishes a blowout game 2 of the world series and simply helps them keep their other arms fresh and they eventually win in 5 games such a trade was not worthwhile, but by the provided logic it would seem to be.
So you think an above average starter in Quintana is worse than a virtual nobody in Karchner? Above average MLB starters are not exactly nothing. There are probably 25 teams in MLB that would LOVE to have Quintana in their rotation, and the other 5 would probably like him. Eloy Jimenez had an average rookie season for a corner outfielder and everyone wants to just assume he is the next Roberto Clemente or something.
Thus far, the Cubs have won that trade. That result MIGHT change in the future. However, an asteroid MIGHT hit the Earth as well. That doesn’t mean you should assume the human race is already extinct. You can’t have your judgments simply based on might.
Depends how you define “winning” the trade. If you’re talking solely about value added to the big league club, the Cubs have received more major league value thus far (barely). I would argue that’s not the only important aspect though. There is no doubt that Quintana has lost significant value since the day he was traded, while both Eloy and Cease have added value. In my opinion, the Cubs are going to have to win a WS with Q to even sniff “winning” that trade. If they don’t, the best they can hope for is a wash.
Put a little differently – If the Sox wanted to flip Eloy/Cease today (or the Cubs if they never made that trade), they could get someone significantly more valuable than this version of Quintana. On the other hand, if the Cubs wanted to trade Q, they wouldn’t receive a package anywhere near as valuable (on the surface) as Eloy/Cease.
No sht Priggs. If I traded you 3 prospects for Lucas Giolito today and tried to trade him 4 years later I wouldn’t get as much value as those 3 prospects did.
I don’t see any way you could argue the Cubs have “won” this trade to this point. Quintana has been no better than a No. 4 with them and they’ve won nothing since the trade. Eloy and Cease both have more trade value than Quintana
I’ll give it a go….
2017 Cubs, defending champions, walk into the All-Star break with a 43-45 record. Just before play resumes, the Quintana deal goes down. They win 14 out of 17, return to first place and reach the NLCS that year. The Quintana deal woke up the Cubs, and they were stopped by a very, very good Dodgers team.
The Quintana trade helped put the Cubs in a position to win throughout the duration of his contract. We can’t say if the Cubs could have reached the playoffs in any season after the 2016 title. That makes the trade a whole lot better for the Cubs.
@Wild Bill So you’re telling me that giving up Eloy and Cease for a No. 4 starter and only coming away with 1 division title, no pennants, and basically missing the playoffs back to back years is a win. That’s some wild logic
The Cubs have not won that trade. Quintana is a soon to be 32 year old that has pitched to a 1 WAR season average from the get. With the WSox he had a couple of 4.5 WAR seasons. He’s underperformed, face the reality my friend.
because Jimenez has yet to do anything besides hit HRs. If he realizes his potential, then maybe.
Lol “he’s done nothing but produce runs”
He hit how many HRs again? During his rookie season? Just stop now. before you say something else stupid.
History!
Garland has always been well overrated for s 10th overall draft pick that debuted before his 21st birthday he was a bust. Think the Cubs really missed the 4.41 ERA he had with the Sox. (not)
Durable starters are always appreciated, especially when Steve Bartman looms in the background. Even one different pitcher in a certain scenario could have avoided the debacle entirely. The playoffs are basically a crapshoot anyway.
but you can’t act like getting a bottom of the rotation workhorse for nothing is akin to getting simmilar production out of Quintana for the likes of Eloy and Cease plus. and as much as Garland helped in 2005, the Sox just got lucky that that was his best year. he was a run per two innings pitcher otherwise with them.
I wasn’t arguing against your point, I was just showing the possible usefulness of Garland to the Cubs.
Do you think the Sox really missed the 4.23 ERA Quintana has given the Cubs over the last 2.5 years? He has basically provided the same value as Garland did for the Sox, minus the excellent playoff performance and World Series victory…
yes but we’re considering Garland to be the steal of his respective trade and not Quintana
Neither of these is the most lopsided Cubs/Sox trade. This one is:
December 11, 1973.
The Chicago Cubs traded Ron Santo to the Chicago White Sox for a player to be named later, Ken Frailing, Steve Stone, and Steve Swisher. The Chicago White Sox sent Jim Kremmel (December 18, 1973) to the Chicago Cubs to complete the trade.
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Santo was pretty over the hill at this point, and the Sox had the defending home run champ Bill Melton at 3rd already. Santo only played another year or two after that as I recall.
On a basketball basis the trade was for a stone and a swisher. They could not afford frailing to be able to rebound from that move. Sorry but I’m board today.
Trade rumors taking pot shots at the Cubs cause they know how to get comments
I thought the same thing…
Garland was ok and all, but lets not get carried away here. He was a very durable back end starter which has good value, but as a Cubs fan, I never sat there and went “What could of been if they never traded Garland” thoughts in my life.
It was still a bad trade by the Cubs no doubt, but not a franchise altering trade like Lou Brock type
Here’s a not so bold prediction for the koolaid drinkers.
Jimenez, Cease, Soler and Torres all make the next All-Star game (whenever that is). Quintana, Schwarber, Heyward, and whomever warm body they throw at 2B will not. I have spoken.
Garland was solid and the Sox gave up little to get him, but when all is said and done, I think Cease ends up about as good as Quintana was and Eloy has Silver Slugger potential. During September last year, he was as dangerous as anyone at the plate.
Here’s an interesting question for White Sox fans: if you could go back in time and stop the Tatis/Shields deal, but doing so also stopped the Quintana/Eloy & Cease deal, would you do it?
Seriously, what has Tatis done exactly? He can’t play everyday without getting banged up at SS. Until he has a full, productive season, it’s really just speculation.
Chokes on Eloy’s balls in an earlier post then dumps on Tatis!
Typical south side nonsense!
You ever watch a Padres game? I have. Tatis’ style of play isn’t sustainable given his size and preference to sacrifice his body on every play defensively. And he hasn’t played long enough to determine if he can adjust or not.
You could literally stick Tatis in left field if you’re worried about Tatis diving for too many ground balls. He’s a more valuable player than Eloy Jimenez playing in the outfield……let alone as an everyday SS.
The offensive upside is similar but Tatis can field and run. No argument that isn’t based on being a severe homer.