In an appearance on CNN, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred expressed optimism regarding the prospects for a 2020 season. The Athletic’s Lindsey Adler is among those tweeting quotes from the interview; CNN’s Anderson Cooper has shared some video via Twitter.
Though he’s hopeful of baseball being played this summer, Manfred made clear the thinking involves spectator-free contests. Anything more would be unexpected at this point. The focus, clearly, is just on getting some reasonable product off of the ground.
Manfred also warned of the dire consequences to the economic health of the game if the campaign doesn’t work out. He said losses to the thirty teams could “approach” a remarkable $4B if 2020 is shelved entirely. Obviously, it’s not clear from a brief interview precisely what is and isn’t baked into that number.
Among many other hurdles, of course, is the matter of sorting things out with the players. Manfred expressed “great confidence” that the sides will ultimately see eye to eye, “both that it’s safe to come back to work and work out the economic issues that need to be resolved.”
MLB will not “force” any individual player to suit up, Manfred said. (How that decision would be free from disincentives is another question.) But he expects that won’t be a significant issue. “We hope that we will be able to convince the vast, vast majority of our players that it’s safe to return,” says Manfred.
Planning for the safety of players and others involved in putting on contests will obviously be critical. There’s certainly a strain of opinion that doesn’t see it as a truly achievable goal under the circumstances.
Manfred promoted the testing and tracing plan that was reported earlier today. Critically, the league does not plan to suspend play if a player (or, presumably, other employee) tests positive. Instead, it would keep that player isolated and away from the playing field until he has received two negative tests — presuming he’s able to recover — while also testing all those that had been in close contact to the player.
That’s a far less restrictive approach than that maintained by the Korea Baseball Organization, which says it will shut down for three weeks if any player tests positive. Thankfully, Korea’s top league hasn’t had to do so just yet. And Taiwan’s CPBL has even progressed to the point where limited live fans are attending games. Of course, those leagues are operating against the backdrop of societies that have had much more success at gaining control over the spread of the coronavirus.
Everything both of these guys say is a lie.
Says you, who doesn’t even exist.
Hey you kids, get out of the basement and go enjoy the great outdoors.
His optimism is misplaced. It’s not happening.
I think it will. I think the players who are dragging their feet the most will end up relenting when owners balk at paying them for a missed season.
They really should just cancel the season.
Force the major or something…..
I agree. Skip a couple of seasons and see how little the players will be willing to accept.
Manfred is playing the “god cop “ role. Unfortunately, Uber-agent Scott Boras will not accept any further rollbacks in pay, whether by a salary pool/cap or another percentage reduction. Expect more Blake Snell-type comments to surface, a few days of back and forth bantering in the media, and then a few days after Memorial Day, Manfred “reluctantly “ deciding to cancel the 2020 season.
Not all players can afford to take a year off without a single paycheck. They make a ton of money but many fall into the same old traps of inflating their expenses: mortgages, car payments, etc.
any player in the union has made it to the Majors already which means theyve at least made some money so far.
Keep in mind, however, that the guys making league minimum ($555,000 in 2019) will take home about $22,000 if the reported figure of players getting 4% of their salary in the event of a cancelled season is true. Plenty of guys will be comfortable, but a lot of younger players who spent time in the minors hoping to earn that MLB paycheck will indeed hurt.
I heard that Scott Boras likes fish sticks.
More like fish dicks
It is not up to Scott Boras
Jeff Todd working late!
Play the games. This is a hoax. You need to multiply the acute cases 6x-7x just to get to 1%. 85% of all deaths are those 75 years old plus. This is not a threat to the general public. Enough already.
Here here!!! Thank goodness someone out here still speaks truth, reality, and common sense.
Where’d you find that 85% figure?
Not from the CDC numbers….I’d like to hear a suggestion from him backed by facts. Is he suggesting we quarantine the 75 and over cohort?
Lock them all up in nursing homes.
Nobody asked you. Sometimes I wonder if people who play at being cruel and stupid actually are cruel and stupid. Then I realize, there really isn’t any difference.
There are many ways to save Social Security that do not involve purging our most vulnerable.
A minimum wage that keeps / kept pace with inflation.
Reformed immigration / taxation.
We can start with those two.
There was a time when nobody in good conscience would ever consider saying that deliberately killing off old people “is a good way to save Social Security.” Not even as a joke. Now the very people who spout these ideas think it’s acceptable to accuse others of being “trolls” for labeling these ideas for what they are, which is cruel and stupid.
I mean, I wouldn’t say go kill the elderly, but my dad is 55 and has been saying for all my life, the generation older than him is just the worst, most annoying people.
That is why no one is asking you
Awesome take Richard. Better if it was accurate though. As of 5/13 the death rate in NYC among those 45-74 is exactly the same as for those 75+. Even if what you say was true, who gets to choose which old people die so you can watch baseball?
You roping in the 45-64 demographic with the 65-74 demographic is definitely manipulative.
When you combine those two, you get 2,960. A breakdown:
45-64 (20 years range): 1,449.
65-74 (10 years): 1,511.
To rope them together creates a 30-year range, which is pretty silly. 45-year-olds aren’t remotely close to 70-year-olds in terms of health. And to create the same range for 75+, you’d have to count 30 years, so going to 105.
The 45-74 range will have a significantly larger sample pool than 75+.
Or think of it this way, the 1,449 deaths among 45-64 is out of 37K cases. The 1,511 for the 65-74 is based on 13K.
For 75+, it’s based on 11K.
The 45-64 group is a much, much larger pool, and has a very low death rate (3.8%) compared to the next two: 11.51% and 25.57%.
It’s not the same. You just read the data how you wanted.
I agree with you.
But that 85% is fabrication.
kissinger – You also fail to mention that those who died under 65 had underlying health issues. Don’t omit information to make the numbers fit your agenda.
there have been exceptions to that rule.
And those many ppl who have underlying conditions deserve to be protected from infected carriers showing minimal to no symptoms.
dug – those high risk people deserve the opportunity to protect themselves, not at the expense of the nation. For example, if you have a heart condition*, you shouldn’t sign up for the Boston Marathon. That doesn’t mean the marathon should be canceled because you could die if you run it. It’s called personal responsibility.
*I understand a heart condition isn’t contagious but I hope you get the point.
Ok, so let’s kill the old AND the unfit.
Those who have underlying and vulnerable conditions are a large part of the U.S
According to statista, NYX has the following death rates
45-64 is 166 per 100,000
65-74 is almost 5x as much at 542 per 100,000
75+ is about 9x as much at 1356 per 100,000
Don’t forget to list the underlying health issues of those under 75. Don’t omit data to make the numbers fit your agenda. For example, a large percentage of deaths in NY were in assisted living facilities where the virus took over the elderly.
The is absolutely awful and just “visual” math hOsEbEeLiOn.
A hint: divide 542 by 166. You won’t see it’s as much as 5x.
Do same with 1356.
You just visualized that man without spending a second doing it.
I try to make these types of corrections to comments whenever I see them and it’s unfortunate that people care more about the sentiment behind the original post than the numbers or facts to support it.
Reading isnt your strong suit huh dumbsome?
is almost 5x as much. Is almost means 5 or lower. 542/166 is definitely lower than 5.
Is about 9x as much. 1356/166 is 8.2. so 8.2 isnt close to 9? Weird.
I’m sorry. Was rough estimates too hard for you man? Doubt you even know the difference between hundred and hundredth without watching a YouTube video or googling it.
Is it lower than 4?
Lower than three?
Is 3.26 “almost” 5?
@mrkissinger Lol exactly, all just so bored slobs can have something to watch while they pretend like it was uplifting and healing for AMERICA!
The only hoax is your existence.
studies done from USC and Stanford found that the infection rate was 50- 70% higher then originally thought. THIS IS A GOOD THING !!!! meaning the mortality rate is extremely low.
studies done from USC and Stanford found that the infection rate was 50- 70% higher then originally thought. THIS IS A GOOD THING !!!! meaning the mortality rate is unbelievable extremely low. PLAY BALL !!!!
Hoax? Go ahead and finish that Lysol cocktail you’re sipping , then go outside and kiss the first person you see wearing a MAGA hat
righty – this has nothing to do with ideology. The data from sources other than the typical media outlets who feed the fear shows that we reacted based on grossly inaccurate and exaggerated models. The coronavirus isn’t a hoax. It’s been around for years. However, the reaction was based on fear and agenda.
I’m not saying some of the hype going around is right, nor wrong, tho of course much from certain outlets is always hype and a load of bull, but I can tell you as an older person that fighting off a severe cold, even the flu is MUCH harder when we (I) got into that older age group than it was when I was a younger man.
I do believe certain areas are simply throwing any types of flu/pneumonia fatalities together. It fits a model of how they operate and people with the flu/pneumonia at the 60+ age group DO need special care and really SHOULDN’T be exposed to anyone who has the same because of the danger anyway.
I agree John. If someone is in a category that is considered high risk, they should take the necessary precautions, as they would for anything. It’s called personal responsibility.
When you create an environment in which a hospital can collect more government money by classifying a death as covid related, the death rate will be artificially inflated.
You’re right, all those older and at-risk people should all be locked up in nursing homes.
Classification itself does not affect cost. Treatment affects cost. People on ventilators are in the worst possible condition. You dont vent unless there us no other option and venting is the standard of care.
Prov356 – Sounds like you don’t comprehend the distinction between the current virus (Covid-19) and prior strains of Corona viruses. Yes, Coronavirus have previously existed but not this particular one. It is a novel strain which emerged late 2019, that is a fact absolutely no one can dispute. You complain about media spreading misinformation, but it is you that is spreading it.
@whynot The problem is people like him believe every misinformation they read from Facebook or sites that aren’t credible, then share it to other tards.
whynot – as you and I have discussed before. COVID has been around for years. The flu has been around for years. COVID19 is a new strain of coronavirus just like the flu has new strains every year. I don’t know where the misinformation is you refer to.
Blue – Unfortunately that’s what Cuomo and other governors did. He sent elderly people with COVID back to their assisted living facilities from the hospital for them to be “isolated”. That’s one reason the death total is as high as it is. That was devastating to the elderly who are already in a high risk category. For example, 70% of Pennsylvania’s deaths occurred inside assisted living facilities.
You didn’t get the point, but I wouldn’t have expected that from you. It isn’t why you are here. You are here to spread misinformation.
@rightyspecialist Preferably in Hempstead
Interesting so NYC is making this up? I know a detective who was 54 and died so cut your BS.
dubz – you knew the detective personally or you knew of him? If he had absolutely no underlying health issues and died directly of COVID, then he is an extreme exception to all of the data available.
If someone tested positive for covid, no matter their age, and died in a car accident, covid would be listed as a contributing factor on the death certificate, as well as the head trauma from the accident.
The numbers are juked, which is starting to be the complaint of many health officials.
And don’t forget. The flu season late last year and early this year had many of its deaths attributed to covid.
Nope. In your example, Cause of Death: blunt force trauma to the head
Manner of Death: accidental
Retire, you couldn’t be more wrong. Many doctors have come out and said as much. They’re getting around 15k per diagnosis and 38k for writing it on death certificate. Money talks.
I’m in NYC. I know multiple “extreme exceptions” to the data available. There are people under 50 with no underlying health issues who have died from Covid-19. By know I mean know personally. I don’t care how rare it is. It happened. It’s easy to look at numbers and dismiss the severity of the situation.
DTD – the hospital also gets more money if they put someone on a ventilator. The opportunity and incentive for fraud are unfettered.
Von – NY has definitely been an exaggeration of everything (I don’t mean that in the false reporting sense). But it’s exactly the same with the flu season, a tornado, etc. It’s because of the density.
But when you say “It’s easy to look at numbers and dismiss the severity of the situation.”, it’s those same “numbers” that have been used to exaggerate the severity of the situation. I contend that the media fed fear through their reporting and those with an agenda used it to their advantage. Consider who profits from a given situation. That usually reveals the underlying agenda.
In times of chaos and tragest people look for a conspiracy because it’s easier to accept than the real truth; there is no order or reason here.
DTD ATL is dead wrong. Diagnosis does not inflate cost. Intubation and venting inflates cost. Only a small percentage of infected ppl are vented.
Off. Typing on the phone wuth a giant popup blocking half my text. Apologies for tge typo. Tragedy not tragest.
That’s often true of people, Von, in the absence of a logical explanation that they accept. However in this situation, when you weed through the fear mongering and agendas and truly look at the data for what it is, our reaction to covid went well beyond what the data suggested we should do. Critical thinking got lost in the midst of fear and agendas.
No worries on the typos. I miss my flip phone.
To some, deaths seem to only matter when it affects someone personal. This virus is novel and has been like Russian roulette, younger healthy people have died and in contrast some people with serious underlying conditions have recovered. You may be fine, but which family member are you going to sacrifice?
My problem with your line of thinking is that no one is really gaining anything here. Everyone is losing money.
That’s simply not supported by the data, 99.
I love how people speak with such confidence about things they know nothing about. All of the sudden there are all these experts in health and morbidity rate… I didn’t know there were so many actuaries out there willing to provide their professional opinions for free
What is the world are you talking about? Name one such doctor
Prov356 – There it is, you see conspiracies everywhere
In response to your contention, I contend that a significant swath of vocal individuals are somehow making the argument that “only 80k have died, social distincing/lockdowns are a scam!” while ignoring the fact that only through these scam measures has the death toll been kept this low in the first place.
The actual data does prove that young and healthy does not make you automatically safe from the virus.
raisin – 80k dead is an awful number. Nobody on here has ever minimized the tragedy of that. Just like the 60k to 80k who died from seasonal flu in 2018. No one has called social distancing a scam either. However, when you say lockdowns kept the death toll lower, that is an un-provable statement and therefore only speculation. In my opinion, I believe we overreacted as a country based on the data. It’s ok for us to disagree.
Von – That isn’t true. There are people profiting financially and in other ways. Look at the people making the decisions.
Haha Hahahha. Hahahahahh. Good luck.
prov – knowing what we know now, what do you think the probability is that varying degrees of global lockdowns / social distancing did NOT save at least one life?
I would wager it’s close to the probability that you’ll transmogrify into a sentient paperclip at 11: 05 AM on June 23, 2024.
Saying something is not provable and is therefore speculation is a dumb comment, an absurd standard, and wrong by definition. If you’d like to get technical, the only things that are absolutely provable are abstractions.
You can call it an overreaction if you’d like. I understand that. Any coherent plan or strategy could have mitigated the need to overract, but such plans still do not yet exist.
In an unrelated thought, if my survival depends on the willingness of my neighbor to endure a minor inconvenience, America is the last place I would want to be.
Do you know the proportion of Americans who currently do not have something that would be considered an “underlying health issue?”
raisin – “Saying something is not provable and is therefore speculation is a dumb comment, an absurd standard, and wrong by definition.”
1.) the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
That definition fits my comment just fine.
You and others on here cannot fathom that someone might disagree with you. And whoever disagrees is called names and insulted instead of respected for having their own opinion.
I’m not trying to convince you I am right and you are wrong. Just bringing my perspective to the conversation based on the facts as I see them and interpret them.
As a side note, I am blessed to live in an area that is generally not steeped in fear and government regulation. My life and the lives of my friends and family have not changed drastically other than missing a good restaurant meal. That is quickly changing here. I walked into a coffee shop yesterday and couldn’t find a table. And with three major metro areas in my state, we have some of the lowest COVID numbers in the US.
Lastly, I do think that staying away from everyone probably had some effect. However, I believe the same effect would have been achieved by other means that would not have resulted in lost jobs, lost income, businesses closing forever, etc. Lives have been ruined, not just those who got sick or died. We tried to stave off tragedy by causing tragedy elsewhere.
I do appreciate the non-response. Been real.
Nice anecdotal evidence.
No one is saying that young healthy people aren’t dying, but based on statistics from just one US city, those who do are in the extreme minority.
Of course it’s a hoax. It has always been the goal of the liberal baseball establishment, under direct orders from Beijing, to deprive the public of the sport in a bid to demoralize American citizens and move us closer to becoming a fascist communist state, which is far more valuable than the $10 billion in lost revenue MLB will sustain. Well thought out, comrade.
Fascist is the opposite of a communist.
Actually they aren’t necessarily, but the important thing is you missed the satire.
Got it. Fascism is extreme right wing and communism is extreme left wing.
Not necessarily. The Chinese have blended the two quite nicely.
Since reality has no influence on you, perhaps you should stick to fantasy baseball.
As of Friday morning (5/15/20), the US has 1,461,722 confirmed cases according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins. The total number of deaths is reported as 87,054. That represents a mortality rate of 5.96%.
You can always believe what you want. You cannot make up your own data.
To be fair, one reason the mortality rate versus confirmed cases is so high is because we have only selective testing of people who report symptoms. Not everyone with symptoms can or do get tested, so the actual case number is probably much higher and this mortality rate probably a lot lower. But we can’t know this until we have essentially universal testing.
Mortality rate alone doesn’t tell us very much if only the sick are tested. The recent studies in California indicate that the actual rate of infection is as much as 80 times greater than is found by only testing people with symptoms. This is good news and bad news. The good news is the mortality rate is a lot lower than what is seen in people who’ve been treated for symptoms. The bad news is the virus is that much more prevalent in the population and is that much more difficult to keep away from vulnerable people.
The arithmetic is actually pretty easy. If the true mortality rate is only 0.2% (the lower end of the likely range), and only half the population contracts the virus (fewer than would probably be needed to achieve herd immunity), then at least 160,000 Americans will die of it. Since we’re already half way there this seems like a not unlikely scenario.
Absolutely true. We know that the lack of testing capacity throughout March and April is all but guaranteed to have suppressed numbers nationwide. But I could not let what that knucklehead was suggesting with respect to what he/she believed the real numbers were go by. When/if testing makes it possible for 30, 40 or greater than 50 million people to be tested the numbers may very well be revised. I don’t doubt that at all. But at this moment the numbers are what they are and his “numbers” were complete BS.
Mortality rate is based on a limited subset of folks who have been tested. How many people have this virus that haven’t been tested? Based on the sole reason for shutting everything down, it’s likely far more rampant than the 1.4M cases we’ve confirmed. (If it’s only 1.4M cases, then we should open everything back up).
If we have even 2x the cases, the mortality rate drops to 3%, My guess is that we’re probably closer to 10M cases than 1.4M cases, and thus the mortality rate is closer to .6% than 6%.
The data you’re working from is woefully incomplete and will never tell the full story.
MisterB – I add to your numbers that the average age of death from COVID is 80.
To be clear I wasn’t challenging average ages of victims. My problem was with the claim that we would have to multiply things 6 to 7 times to reach 1% as a mortality rate. At the present time that is simply garbage.
Still not just old people, though.
I agree Mister. Just wanted to point out an additional fact that gets ignored in the hype.
prov – where did you find this?
Out of his ass, probably.
I heard it on the local news just this afternoon.
Does the local news have a name / website?
I can hear things on my local news too. What should I hear?
Heard the average age was 87 on my local news.
Which of course is mathematically impossible.
And the players are supposed to trust the owners who never release their numbers…..
Do you publish your bank balance and income? I don’t either.
I was a public employee in Arizona. My income was a matter of public record that can be accessed by anyone.
Baseball, like all major sports in the US, is welfare queen, subsidized heavily by the tax payers. Shouldn’t they be required to demonstrate their need as we do for individuals applying for welfare? As much as I love baseball, I am troubled by taxpayers subsidizing a profitable business that benefits wealthy owners and overpaid stars.
Link to your bank statement please.
So players get paid for not showing up?
Richard is dead on balls accurate.
What an idiot, how did this guy become the commissioner
Saying that South Korea is has had “much more sucess at gaining control of the virus” is missleading. While the morbidity rate in the US in 5.9%, South Korea’s is 2.4%. And (a) there are reportability issues with SK’s data, (b) ALL the factors about vulnerability (ageing population, world leading rates of obesity and diabetes, frequent inbound travel) are highly more influentrial in this country.
I have no horse in the race here; nobody has handled this pandemic well;.you can justifyably ask if given the circumstances anyone could have. Blaming this one or that one is on the same plane as blaming certain persuaions for Hurricane Katrina.
But we need to be fair.
What would the comparison look like if you instead used deaths per 100k population? What about infections per 100k?
Far more relevant indicators of “gaining control” than your morbidity rate. In that measure, Belgium is doomed.
You also mention aging population and state that the US is more vulnerable.. How does South Korea compare to the US?
I already know these answers but I’d like to see you post them 🙂
The impact of obesity seems to not get mentioned much. Seems so much society is so concerned over something with a long shot of killing them but willingly accepts something that will absolutely kill them.
I’m hoping this wakes people up to the fact health is important at all times, but I doubt it will.
As far as I know, a obese person can’t pass along their obesity just by being near them.. quit gaslighting.
Do you know what gaslighting means? Can people kill others and themselves by driving a car? Maybe we should stop that cuz it kills 1.25 million a year. Does that work better for you than the obesity argument?
slug7 is right and now you’ve moved the goalposts.
Lmao you must be obese my man… cause that was about as stupid of a comment as I’ve ever seen. Just Incase it needs to be said again to not fly right over your head, obesity can make COVID19, or any disease harder on your body. Now stop feeling bad about yourself and dust off those running shoes!
HalosHeavenJJ? Perhaps that obesity is not mentioned much may have to do with our commander in chief being obese. LOL
Not mentioned much are peoples chances that are with out spleens,
Dude has gotten larger by the day ha ha. I think there’s a social taboo about discussing weight, which is literally killing millions every year and costing billions.
The Covid pandemic just raises yet another reason we should take care of ourselves. That’s all I’m saying.
If fat-shaming were to become a norm, how many lives would it save?
This is / has been the case in Japan by and large.
There’s been such an overemphasis on feelings recently and we are worse off because of it. If anyone is interested in reading up on the concept, I recommend a book called The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt and someone else I forget.
Looks like an interesting read.
I’m less of a shaming guy and more of an honest conversations guy. Nothing wrong with honestly recognizing that our loved ones would rather have us around for long, active lives than suck down that extra big gulp and say “I like to eat.”
halo – absolutely agree.
One time at work a guy told me I was fat. I was fat. I lost weight and got not fat and then I thanked him for saying something to me.
A central premise of the book is that conflating emotional anxiety with physical harm is very dangerous as a society. Also, social media is good when it supplements physical contact, and really bad when it replaces it.
I just can’t see, logistically, how MLB returns under such high risk stakes. I appreciate the effort, but it’s a massive, reckless enterprise. One positive test and it all comes unravelled – this all borders closely on impractical.
It’s not one positive test, because there is a vocal contingent of fans who just don’t believe any of this. It’s one significant illness to a MLB player or Manager. If I were Manfred, I’d be worried about that one.
“One positive test,” exactly what I said. Your “one significant illness to a MLB player or manager,” yes, inevitably represented as “one positive test.” Vocal contingents are no cause for concern – let the dogs bark.
We are probably saying the same thing from different angles. You can test positive and be asymptomatic. A serious illness to a frontline player would be big news. it’s kind of fascinating that MLB doesn’t seem to be focussing on that enough in their zeal to get people back on the field for the least pay.
I’m sure they’ve run the numbers. Every player is under 60 (although Pujols is probably close ha ha), there are no known smokers and very few with a BMI over 30 (watch out Miggy). Diabetes and obesity tend to go hand in hand.
Based on risk factors, the odds of a player having a significant illness are probably pretty low. Management is likely more at risk.
No known smokers? That’s living in denial… and don’t forget the players who use chewing tobacco…
There’s been studies done that shows a lower death rate among those that use tobacco. Tied to, they think, nicotine. Unbelievable but true.
… true, Mike. It’s just so complicated. I hope it works out safely for all involved.
I’m sure there are a few. No widespread smoking, better?
Chewing tobacco isn’t inhaled into the lungs so it’s irrelevant
He mentioned nicotine. Chewing tobacco has nicotine. Yikes.
now that is called a coincidence
The Human Rain Delay
No known smokers? Not true
It’s snowing like mad in the Comments area here….
SanFran has 735k residents under 65. Three have died. More die each on the streets of SF from Fentanyl and gunshots.
You are a dangerous man
“Of course, those leagues are operating against the backdrop of societies that have had much more success at gaining control over the spread of the coronavirus.”
Pesky civil liberties. Who needs’em? We want to watch some baseball!!!
(yes, Sheldon, sarcasm)
25-30 young men and their coaches. Take temperatures 3x a day. Administer tests if you must. The risk is very low. We need baseball, not as fans, but as a nation. We need hope that life will someday return to normal. Sitting at home waiting for the virus to go away will make us nuts. Some of you are already there…
it’s easy for you to say behind a pc. feel brave? try volunteering at n.y. hospitals!
Vizionaire, the same hospitals that sit mostly empty and have furloughed employees?
Elevated temperature is not necessary for COVID. My parents and brother tested positive and had other symptoms without ever having a temperature.
i think though its something like 98% of those who are symptomatic have a temperature, which is probably within the error range of these studies. if you are symptomatic then you have a temperature, and if you dont its probably something else contributing to the other symptoms.
Over 1/3 of positives have no elevated temperature whatsoever.
Asymptomatic spread is the problem — I’ve seen estimates that as many as half of coronavirus carriers show no symptoms at all, including fever. So all this stuff about temperature checks before entering stadiums and such is just pointless. Asymptomatic spreaders, not sick people in quarantine, are the biggest vectors of the spread of this disease.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to guarantee less money in contracts and load up incentives?
Teams would be liable for less while players could earn much more through incentives like team wins, standings, post season appearances, etc instead of individual stats?
Bring back the team aspect over the solo homer that has no game effect.
A player does something stupid on his own time truly diminishes his income without hindering the team’s budget.
I’m guessing the owners would shoot that down based on the argument that without fans in attendance, wins or whatever won’t result in much of a revenue boost.
mlb tv deal is around $5.5 billion. that’s a little more than $180 million per team. in angels case, they had a tv deal of $3 billion for 25 years. that works out $120 million.together it’s more than $300 million. even without fans they are well off as long as there are games.
Yet, that won’t increase if a team wins 100% of their games, nor will it decrease if a team goes 0-82… As such, monetary incentives for players based on team wins will not fly.
Don’t forget taxes… it’s an income.
in ’18 arte said the net profit was only around million bucks. the art of accounting!
I would love to really know what he nets per year!
The country is reopening state by state.
Manfred said no one will be forced to play.
They will play to empty stadiums.
Life goes on and people are sick of the lock downs and the loss of liberty.
If someone is unwilling to play don’t, that’s their choice.
If someone doesn’t want to watch then don’t watch, that’s their choice.
But don’t tell those that want to play and those that want to watch that they can’t.
That’s their choice.
HalosHeavenJJ? Perhaps that obesity is not mentioned much may have to do with our commander in chief being obese. LOL
Not mentioned much are peoples chances that are with out spleens,
Or maybe obesity really isn’t that big of an issue with this and it’s just more fearmongering to keepan obese nation at home longer?
Here’s the thing…if you shut it down this season, how many years are you willing to wait to start things back up? A vaccine is still at least a year to a year and a half away, if a vaccine is ever developed (both SARS and MERS do not have vaccines and both outbreaks were 10 years or older). It has also been determined with random RNA testing that there are roughly 11 people asymptomatic for every person confirmed to have contracted cover 19 (meaning that the 11 people weren’t sick enough to actually seek treatment). The fatality rate for confirmed cases is roughly 6 percent. When you factor the number or people who are asymptomatic, that fatality rate drops to close to .6 percent, which is still 6 times more likely of a fatality than if you catch influenza. That also means that a person (all age groups combined) has a 99.4 percent chance of survival. I, personally, am willing to take those odds and return to work.
Is that the thing though?
If I hit the snooze button once, how many more times will I hit it? Twice? 600 times? 67328 times? Will I die from hitting the snooze button?
vincent k. mcmahon
I was optimistic until I received a season ending knee injury tripping going up my basement stairs and smashing my knee into a cabinet.
Thank you for sharing.
Blake Snell stated that any player with something considerable worth losing, injury or family time, would be foolish to participate in this half-season cry for ownership money.
So players with some legitimate threat of being replaced soon anyway, may take the field “for the love of the game”.
In the end, I just feel there’s too many hurdles to overcome. It’s one thing to have a hypothetical plan, but it’s another when you actually start to put that plan in place.
It all hinges on having a surplus of testing which simply isn’t available right now. How many positive tests will be enough to stop games again? Adam Silver said it best: If one positive test prompts another suspension, there’s no point in even trying.
Then what? Thousands of players, executives, umps, media, gameday staff all isolated in hotels and suites? Not to mention how and where they’ll eat, workout, rehab and other things.
Will they be allowed to leave to go to Walmart? What extent will their family be allowed to see them? How will trades, call-ups, releases, and other things work?
I hope it comes back and I hope the manner in which baseball (or any sport) resumes is as practical and healthy as possible. It’s just hard to foresee it happening.
Could not agree with you more. Rooting for the sport’s return, not counting on it or expecting it. My job security is in some ways tied to the return of sports so it would be good. I just have a hard time seeing it happening.
I’m thinking of my father and mother and the millions like them who were teenagers during the Depression and served in WW2. Those 2 world shaping events demanded real sacrifice in various forms for YEARS. Today sadly, too many people are losing their sh@t and it’s been less than 3 months. It’s embarrassing. People, we can do this.
Great comment. My parents grew up during the depression, and my father served in WW2. It might take a little while, but this country will come back as it has done before.
You’re also talking about major, life altering events. This is an illness where basically 99.5% of people survive. Civil liberties also weren’t under attack back then like they are now. They were truly suffering. We’re accepting an unnecessary quarantine to ruin millions of lives…huge difference
DTF_ATL, you could not be more wrong. You might want to read up on some civil liberties that were infringed upon back then. And, there aren’t people “truly suffering” now and having their lives altered in major ways?!
Right, DTD. It’s not like we rationed food, had curfews, put Japanese in camps, not to mention had segregated black/white facilities. Yep, no civil liberties under attack there at all. I mean, there were no laws that required people of German/Japanese, or Italian descent to register with authorities. Geez…
No, just churches being required to report who is going to church, police running license plates of church goers; people being arrested for protesting, governors telling citizens they can’t leave the state; encouraging citizens to report their neighbors; jailing people for leaving their homes all the while trying to release notorious serial killers. Governors using drones to spy on citizens. The list goes on.
Saying civil liberties weren’t at jeopardy during WW2 is silly. But trying to mitigate the dangers of what is happening today is straight up stupid. Civil liberties matter. And we can’t just remove them because a subset of citizens are afraid of a sickness.
it’s really, really interesting that the same folks who cry every time the police oversteps its authority have zero problem with laying down for our government. And then pretending the government won’t try this again.
If as you say 99.5% can survive an infection by this virus, in a population of 230 mil that means 11.5 mil will not survive. Do you think that is ok? If so, you think we should just let it rip?
The population of the U.S. is around 335M. If 0.5% died the number would be around 1.7M. That level of mortality is within the range epidemiologists predicted if nothing was done to control the spread of the virus. Anyone who now says we should rip off our masks and party hearty is really saying it’s okay for over a million Americans to die so long as they are Americans they don’t care about. It truly has come to this. I never would have believed it, but then I see people saying just that, and over and over again, so we can’t possibly mistake their brutality for anything else.
You are right, I was off by 100 mil but you got my point. Purple trying to minimize the effect are either delusional or can’t comprehend what .5% really means in relation to a number such the total population of the country.
Honestly I don’t believe at this point delusion or incomprehension is really the main factor. I believe it’s a whole lot of not caring. Ignorance can be fixed. Brutality is a way of life.
Hard to walk with four balls
WW2 is that where they rounded up thousands of Americans and put them in internment camps by allowing FDR to use an executive order to void their constitutionally protected rights? A: Yes.
…that generation was garbage for what they let happen here at home which for outweighs their “sacrifice” overseas or domestic.
If you are equating internment in the US
with genocide on the European continent then I don’t know what to tell you. There are degrees of “wrong”.
genocides in asia by japanese, too. conveniently buried by then governor of japan, general macarthur.
This is a very easy statement to make for someone who has never been to war.
to even compare this to a war or the depression is crazy. Those were much more tangible threats. a virus is less tangible but still very dangerous. people have every right to be afraid to some extent.
I don’t wanna see whatever twisted watered down version of Baseball that bozo Manfred has cooked up. The man is a buffoon.
CNN is fake news. Just lost respect for Manfred. I hope he loses sleep over it.
Manfred cannot sleep at night because agentp no longer respects him.
for headless mummies.
This issue, and this comment section, is a micro-ism of the USA right now. All that’s missing is a few guns, a bible and a crippling hospital bill.
You don’t think some of these people are not commenting on here while stroking their guns?
Umm, so if your best player tests positive in a tight divisional race, then you just play without them until 2 negative tests? That could negatively affect tons of teams that are borderline competitive. Teams like the Dodgers with huge wallets and innumerable depth have such an unfair advantage in this scenario IMO
“Teams like the Dodgers with huge wallets and innumerable depth have such an unfair advantage in this scenario IMO”
Name a scenario in which teams with huge wallets and innumerable depth do not have an unfair advantage.
The cowboys, when was the last time they won anything meaningful yet they keep making loads of money
dodgers haven’t won the thing since ’88! hopefully no enchiladas for a long time ahead!
I cannot be optimistic about baseball until Manfred resigns.
Haha better find a new sport to watch
Try the KBO.
Just inject em with bleach and push em out into the sunlight they will be fine!
Manfred is a dipsh*t
Has anybody seen my baseball?
South Korean and Taiwan took it seriously and so they now have baseball.
“No known smokers” smoking weed which probably more players than you realize do, is just as damaging to lungs as nicotine. So there is risk. But there is risk in everything.
Players like Snell, who make themselves look like deuche bags ought to keep quiet publicly though. We get it you don’t want to take a pay cut but 36+ million people without jobs don’t feel your pain
CNN is fake News