Even though GM Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch were incredibly successful atop the Astros, the club let them go last offseason in the wake of a sign-stealing scandal. Major League Baseball also came down hard on Luhnow and Hinch in suspending them for a year apiece, and it fined the Astros $5MM and took away their first- and second-round picks this summer and next.
Astros owner Jim Crane spoke about Luhnow, Hinch and stealing signs, among other topics, in a wide-ranging interview with Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
In regards to Luhnow and Hinch, Crane said, “You hate to see what happened to those guys because they didn’t instigate this thing.” Nevertheless, Crane believed the Astros had no choice but to part with Luhnow and Hinch, who he hopes “get back in the business.”
The Astros negotiated a settlement on the remainder of Hinch’s contract, which ran through 2022, per Nightengale. They haven’t done so with Luhnow, whose deal went through 2023 and whom they fired for “just cause.” It’s possible the two sides will end up in court to settle the matter, according to Nightengale.
With the Luhnow/Hinch era in the rearview mirror, the club’s “sorry” about its misdeeds, said Crane, who guarantees “it will never happen again.” He also observed: “I think (MLB) had a bigger problem than everybody realized. Two other teams (the Yankees and Red Sox) were doing things and got caught, but we’re the ones who took the bullet. That’s the way it works. I’m not trying to blame anyone else. It was our problem. We dealt with it.”
The Yankees were fined for improper use of a dugout phone in 2017, but there’s no evidence that they ever engaged in stealing signs to the extent the Astros did. Meanwhile, the Red Sox lost a second-round pick this year and let go of manager and former Astros bench coach Alex Cora, whom the league suspended for a year, on account of their own sign-stealing violations from their World Series-winning 2018 campaign.
Before the Astros’ sign-stealing crimes became public information, they came under fire during the postseason last year when then-assistant GM Brandon Taubman taunted a group of women reporters, yelling, “Thank God we got Osuna! I’m so f—— glad we got Osuna!” He was, of course, referring to closer Roberto Osuna, whom the Astros traded for in 2018 despite the fact that he was amid a 75-game domestic violence suspension at the time. The Astros then made the tone-deaf move of questioning the credibility of Sports Ilustrated’s Stephanie Apstein, who reported Taubman’s comments, only to fire Taubman shortly after that and apologize to Apstein.
Several months later, Crane is still not condemning Taubman. In his talk with Nightengale, Crane stated that “Brandon Taubman didn’t commit domestic violence. He just made a comment. It’s nothing you can defend. He had a few cocktails. He was happy. There were people constantly coming at him over (Osuna), and he overreacted. Did he do the right thing? No. Everybody makes mistakes. But is he a good, genuine decent person and smart kid? Absolutely.”
Between the sign stealing and Taubman’s behavior, it would have been fair to question the Astros’ culture under their previous regime. Indeed, when commissioner Rob Manfred leveled punishment against the franchise, he concluded that the Astros had an “insular culture’’ issue. But Crane told Nightengale, “We didn’t have a culture problem. They’re isolated incidents that are unrelated.”
ron swanson 2
All woe is me, only sorry they got caught. Shut up already.
beisbolista
Can he just be genuine for one minute and say “I successfully stole a World Series title, had nominal consequences that were 150% worth it, I’m not sorry except for the inconveniences I faced along the way, and I don’t care at all about the game or the fans”
Biggiofan7
Can’t you just say your team is a bunch of frauds?
ScottCFA
Jim Crane is sorry, a sorry excuse for an owner. His smugness and ignorance turned me from saying “Move on” to wishing MLB would strip him and his Cheatstros the World Series they won by cheating.
Biggiofan7
Lmao strip your team of their titles not an astros fan either
FSogol
In a few years, more will come out the way it did for Dan Synder and Washington’s football team. The whole organization is trash. The sign stealing, arrogance, and bro’s like Taubman, Remember the organization tried to smear a journalist to protect Taubman. That’s not the action of a decent organization. That’s the action of unaccountable scum. Baseball should remove Crane.
nasrd
More people are starting to realize this
12isbetter
Ron, take your own advice
Orbit
I agree. Shut up already. Move on
teufelshunde4
Nah Trashtro’s need reminding everyday.. Not hating o the fans, but until every player who is still an Astro is gone & out of the league they all deserve shame.
Senioreditor
I’m guessing he’s the problem.
changeup
So ignorant. He should have been removed as an owner.
12isbetter
Exactly what I’m the world is ignorant about any of it? Your knowledge of the situation?
rondon
Oh come on. Don’t drag your fan bias into this conversation. As long as Crane keeps running his mouth, it’s gonna get talked about. The Astros cheated, got caught and they have a weasel for an owner.
seth3120
Take responsibility or don’t. When you take full responsibility there’s just no reason to bring up other teams and their infractions. They arent comparable but that’s not even the point. The point is they have nothing to do with your own organizational infractions. Bringing them up is a backhanded way of deflecting and attempting to lessen the severity of how your scandal is viewed. This was a terrible thing for the integrity of baseball and it was handled in the worst way by the Astros. Everything Crane says comes off like it has a meaning to benefit himself. That comment doesn’t say sorry to me it says this is a league wide issue we are just the fall guys. Pretty obvious deflection
davengmusic
Jim, just stop talking already! I’m an astros fan and even I’m getting irritated every time he opens his mouth.
flmetfan
People don’t how to apologize anymore. “ I made a mistake. I’m sorry. “ End of conversation!
sherlock_
Like stealing candy isn’t as bad as robbing a bank, the Yankees and Red Sox stealing signs (allegedly) wasn’t as bad as the way the Astros did it
stan lee the manly
This 1000%
DirtbagBlues
Fool, everyone robs banks. Just some people get caught.
Prospectnvstr
A sin is a sin. Murder is as much as a sin as coveting your neighbors spouse. PLEASE get over your self righteousness selves. I’m as guilty as any AND all of you of being judgemental. I just try to not do it. How about you?
stan lee the manly
Murder is nowhere near the same as jealousy. What planet do you live on?
sherlock_
What’s your point? There are minor sins and major sins according to the Bible…
prov356
Prospectnvstr – Thanks for your voice of faith and reason.
bkbkbkbk
I mean talk about a drippppling scumbag. I feel bad for Astros fans every time this super villain talks and I hate the Astros.
User 355748524
Don’t feel bad for them.
When the Astros cheated, they kept and continue to keep quiet about the whole issue and left their fans in the dark.
Their actions were never about how it might affect or benefit the fans; it was for their sole benefit.
What did I do when those individuals cheated without considering the people who supported and respected them nor consider the potential impact it might have on those people? That’s when I stopped supporting and respecting that team. The very team I supported as a fan since 2013, a year after I got into baseball.
So yeah, don’t give them sympathy. Anyone who still supports a team that turned its back on them are past the point of trying. Even I wouldn’t want it, because it changes nothing.
BTW, this is all IMO.
Javia
Thank you for not defending your former team Mr. Cook. It is refreshing to see that with so many of their other fans trying to make excuses for them. You have earned my respect.
User 355748524
I’m no model for humanity, but I can appreciate the sentiment. You acknowledged my person so its only fair that I do the same.
Respect is hard to gain and easy to lose, so giving yours to a stranger despite the risks, is just as commendable (if not more). It’s giving someone the benefit of the doubt because you think they are worth it, so again, you have my thanks and my respect.
goastros123
We don’t need any one to feel bad for us. You’re entitled to your opinion and you have the right to express it.
User 355748524
And so the flood gates are opened. Be prepared for trash can jokes, arguments over the extent of the cheating, and a whole lot of grievances be made known; wether you want to or not.
Perhaps everyone could stop, hold hands, and sing Kumbaya? No?
Well, that’s my cue
adieu
AtlSoxFan
@Connor Byrne – this article seems VERY misleading and inaccurate.
Alex Cora was neither suspended nor fired in response to the Red Sox cheating allegations as is written/implied in what you wrote:
“Meanwhile, the Red Sox lost a second-round pick this year and let go of manager and former Astros bench coach Alex Cora, whom the league suspended for a year, on account of their own sign-stealing violations from their World Series-winning 2018 campaign.”
Alex Cora was solely and exclusively suspended by MLB in connection with his deeds in his tenure as the Astros bench coach.
Additionally, he wasn’t fired or “let go” by Boston at all, it was a resignation based on mutual agreement as widely reported at the time. His resignation was based on what happened in Houston and the related mlb punishment, and had NOTHING to do with anything that happened in Boston – also widely reported at the time.
atomicfront
LOL he was fired.
beisbolista
This post is delusional. Cora was the common ingredient in stealing two world series titles by organizing systematic fraud in two franchises. The Astros report made him unemployable and the Red Sox told him to resign or get fired. It happens all the time in corporate America and “let go” is a generous characterization. Cora more than anyone else should have been banned from baseball forever. For you to continue defending these disgusting cheaters says all we need to know about your character.
AtlSoxFan
Beisbolista, your post here is the delusional one, like many tainted by animosity and unable to be grounded in reality.
Journalistic integrity involved reporting facts as stated, without spin or revisionism.
Nowhere did I defend anything anyone did, nor their character. Personally I am glad Cora is gone, and, think all involved got off much too easily.
The FACTS, however, (not that you EVER care about FACTS) are that Cora mutually parted ways from the Red Sox many months before MLB concluded and released it’s findings, that the departure followed the announcement of Cora’s role in what happened in Houston in his role as bench coach, that Cora was solely suspended for actions in Houston and MLB took NO disciplinary action against Cora for anything during his boston tenure.
MLB suspended a replay video booth employee of the Boston Red Sox and penalized a second round draft pick. Thats it.
Cora was gone and parted ways before and independent from the conclusions and punishments of MLB’s investigation of the red sox. Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t make them no longer the facts
beisbolista
Except you’re absolutely wrong. Everyone who talked to the Red Sox realizes it was a firing (a “get out or get out” situation). You need to wake up, grow up, and cop up to the fact that your favorite team got caught stealing a World Series and had to fire it’s manager as a result.
ABC News: “Red Sox manager Alex Cora fired in sign-stealing scandal –
The Boston Red Sox have fired manager Alex Cora”
Sports Illustrated: “In releasing a statement as part of the “mutual parting”–code for getting in front of his suspension, if not likely firing…”
ESPN: “the two sides decided to part ways. A less nice way of putting it is that Cora was fired before probably facing the same season-long suspension that commissioner Rob Manfred handed down to AJ Hinch and Jeff Luhnow on Monday.”
CBS News: “Red Sox sign-stealing scandal: Five things to know from team’s press conference after Alex Cora’s firing”
The Guardian: “Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora fired amid multiple sign-stealing scandals”
I tried including the links but the comment filter blocked them. But that’s okay. You were capable of doing a Google search even before I provided you with these direct quotes.
astros2017
Lol, he was fired bro
all in the suit that you wear
AtlSoxFan is correct. From USA Today on January 15, 2020:
Said owner John Henry, chairman Tom Werner and club president Sam Kennedy in a joint statement: “Today we met to discuss the Commissioner’s report related to the Houston Astros investigation. Given the findings and the Commissioner’s ruling, we collectively decided that it would not be possible for Alex to effectively lead the club going forward and we mutually agreed to part ways.”
Said Cora: “We agreed today that parting ways was the best thing for the organization. I do not want to be a distraction to the Red Sox as they move forward.”
beisbolista
ABC News: “Red Sox manager Alex Cora fired in sign-stealing scandal –
The Boston Red Sox have fired manager Alex Cora”
Sports Illustrated: “In releasing a statement as part of the “mutual parting”–code for getting in front of his suspension, if not likely firing…”
ESPN: “the two sides decided to part ways. A less nice way of putting it is that Cora was fired before probably facing the same season-long suspension that commissioner Rob Manfred handed down to AJ Hinch and Jeff Luhnow on Monday.”
CBS News: “Red Sox sign-stealing scandal: Five things to know from team’s press conference after Alex Cora’s firing”
The Guardian: “Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora fired amid multiple sign-stealing scandals”
jasonmarbach
Guess my comment was deleted. I’ll try and do it without the expletives this time: F*CK Jim Crane forever. This attitude, his absolute tone-deaf lack of contrition or awareness…this the same POS he’s been since the 80s. I’m done defending him.
– Astros fan
jasonmarbach
Sorry for the double comment on this one. No idea why that happened.
madmanTX
Damn skippy. I’m glad they didn’t let him buy the Rangers, but I’m shocked they let him buy the Astros. Horrible owner and an even worse “human” being.
12isbetter
Something tells me your politics plays a roll here! Ridiculous
racosun
The old “he had a few cocktails” defense. Alcohol saves the day again!
stan lee the manly
“It’s the hero we deserve, but not the hero we need.”
– Jim Crane, probably
stan lee the manly
This is such a load of crap. Like any other company in America, it doesn’t matter if Crane knew about the sign stealing scandal or not. The CEO is 100% responsible for the conduct of its employees, and if you let something this egregious happen under your watch, you aren’t fit to be CEO anymore.
kreckert
Ah, the words of a rich, aging, tone deaf moron. We don’t hear from guys like this enough.
***Note: this is sarcasm. I shouldn’t have to point that out but there are just too many idiots in the world who never get it.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I couldn’t finish reading the USA Today interview article. It’s the same inmates running the asylum BS apology by Crane.
madmanTX
Crane has always been a scumbag, especially back in the first couple of years as Astros owner when he was ok with trading stars for prospects, lowering payroll down to minor league levels and fielding a joke roster just to get the top draft picks. When questioned about it, he said that if people had an issue, then let them pay the salary. This clown was investigated by the EEOC for keeping minorities and women out of his Eagle company and then sued 11 times in federal court.
johnrealtime
“You hate to see what happened to those guys because they didn’t instigate this thing.”
Welp if they do end up going to court with Luhnow, his lawyers just got some good ammo to argue against the “just cause” for termination that Crane is alleging. People really need to not comment publically about things pertaining to potential court cases, but the money lost if they have to pay Luhnow likely matters very little to Jim either way
jdgoat
It must be reiterated! Kick the Astros, Red Sox, and Yankees out of the league. That fixes the sign stealing problem.
JRW 2
Why
ChangedName
This is how baseball has always dealt with problems throughout its history, singling out one team or a few players for league wide systemic issues.
DirtbagBlues
For a league-wide problem there sure seems to be a conspicous absence of evidence implicating other teams.
Stop. The Astros are viticms of their own foul play.
compassrose
I said this before if Seattle was sign stealing they sure sucked at it. I find it hard to believe they stole anything hardly even a base.
DirtbagBlues
The Astros really need to stop invoking other teams when they address this. It read like they see themselves as victims. Any “we take responsibility” comments just feel hollow when they do.
DarkSide830
the perfect time to open your mouth. smh
BigGiantHead
“…we’re the ones who took the bullet.”
Still waiting for that to happen. I’m sure you still have that 2017 world series trophy you stole.
solaris602
It was a rubber bullet at best. A comment like that suggests that Crane is painting the team as martyrs, and it’s us against the world. If Joe Kelly wants to throw at somebody it should be Crane. That sight would bring even the cardboard cutouts to their feet in a 30-minute standing ovation.
Appalachian_Outlaw
They should force this clown out. Baseball would be better off if he wasn’t part of it.
bobtillman
I admit it’s probably more image than anything else, but Crane should hide in his office. Even before today, he’s acts like an arrogant disdainful horse’s rump. At least he could fein some remorse.
coupofthecentury
alot of righteous fan bases talking over here. baseball has been riddled with cheating teams, roids, scuffing balls, multiple teams systemically using bioniculars in the OF, corked bats, pine tar, etc. let’s not be hypocritical here
Javia
Another one of these guys huh? Everybody cheats? Sure. Just like every man in prison is innocent.
This is standard crap. First you deny you did it. You swear to God and you swear on your mother’s life. Until you get caught. Then you blame the other guy. “It wasn’t me, it was the coach/manager!” Then you minimize. “I only did it once or twice, wait, how many times do you have evidence of? Then those are the only times I did it!” “I was only doing what I was told to do!” That’s a classic from the Nazis, “I was just following orders” Then finally “Everybody does it.” These are all standard responses from drug addicts, criminals and cheaters. And you know what? THEY ARE NEVER TRUE!!!
12isbetter
It’s just the truth!
Javia
Which one? Or does it not matter as long as you have an excuse to hold on to?
JustCheckingIn
We have no culture problem!
…But look at how bad those other teams were! We just got blamed!!
And Taubmann? He’s a very smart man who felt obligated to berate a group of reporters then claim they lied
But nooooo culture problem. Never. Please. The Astros lie worse than politicians
Stevil
Deflecting the way did suggests he knew what they were doing all along, which wouldn’t be suprising.
The defense of Taubman, however, is even more infuriating.
Crane has no character.
12isbetter
It is easy to defend taubman if you actually read the full story. He had enough and reacted. If that hurts your feelings, grow up. He didn’t even defend Ozuna. He simply wanted the antagonization to stop. It’s really simple.
pinstripes17
if you feel the need to try and defend Taubman AND Osuna, then that says a lot about your morals as a person.
12isbetter
Not at all. You should really learn the whole story about taubman if you can get through the media bs. No one is defending Ozuna’s actions.
pinstripes17
There is no “media bs”. What Taubman said is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable..
12isbetter
Really? That is so ignorant. Do you even know who the people he reacted to were? Did he do anything harmful to them or did he simply pop off to them in a manner that wasn’t pc? Perhaps he got tired of the hypocrisy of a disgruntled reported with an axe to grind who was attempting to turn a celebration into another chance for her to antagonize. The fact that her name was never even widely reported tells you that it’s all complete bs
12isbetter
Is that all you have because you can’t actually research instead of believing the bs media? Something tells me you do that often
pinstripes17
nothing about the media is “bs”, you’re just an ignorant bozo who defends a woman beater.
12isbetter
You can’t even follow an argument. Who defended a wife beater? Come on man! Quit being so ignorant. Lots of things in the media is bs including the incident in question. You have to search real hard to even find who was involved because it exposes the other side of the story if you read it.
extreme113
This guy has no credibility and as an owner who hired Manfred, he was exonerated by him.
em650r
Can he just take the Trophy to LA and then everything will be good
ABlindHog
I thought this was a baseball site, what are all you snowflakes doing here?