The Astros have struck a deal to acquire relief pitcher Roberto Osuna from the Blue Jays, as Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported (links to Twitter). Former Astros closer Ken Giles is heading to Toronto along with righties Hector Perez and David Paulino. The Jays announced that they’ve designated righty Oliver Drake for assignment and moved Josh Donaldson to the 60-day disabled list in order to clear roster space for Giles and Paulino, each of whom is on the 40-man roster.
This is a rather jarring swap that’ll surely ignite quite a reaction. Both of these pitchers have been working at Triple-A recently, for rather different reasons, despite generally excellent track records in the majors.
Osuna is currently pitching on a rehab assignment while serving a suspension under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse policy. He is also still facing domestic assault charges in Canada for alleged crimes against his girlfriend.
Up until his arrest in early May, Osuna was widely regarded as one of the game’s most exciting and valuable young relief pitchers. He was in typically excellent form to begin the present season, as he has been ever since breaking into the majors at the start of 2015. Osuna has worked as the Toronto closer for much of that time, accumulating 104 saves in 223 innings.
Despite the fact that Osuna is still in legal limbo for a despicable alleged crime, the defending World Series champions have decided to add him to their relief corps. The 23-year-old will be eligible to return from his suspension on August 5th and will not be precluded from participating in the postseason. (Unlike the rules involving players banned for PEDs, domestic violence-related bans do not come with limitations on the playoffs.) That said, his legal situation could still theoretically impact his availability, owing to trial involvement, potential prison time, and travel issues.
Houston GM Jeff Luhnow and Osuna have each released statements (via Mark Berman of FOX 26, Twitter links). Luhnow says the team is “confident that Osuna is remorseful, has willfully complied with all consequences related to his past behavior, has proactively engaged in counseling, and will fully comply with our zero tolerance policy relate to abuse of any kind.” Notably, there’s no specification of just what “past behavior” is at issue. Osuna, meanwhile, stated that he is excited to play for the team, but did not even reference his alleged malfeasance.
As for Giles, 27, his recent problems have been tied more closely to his performance on the mound. He had maintained a typically strong mix of strikeouts and walks (31:3) in his 30 2/3 innings to open the season and only allowed a pair of long balls. Yet Giles was also tagged for 17 earned runs on 36 base hits.
The struggles came to a head earlier this month, as Giles was pulled from an appearance and perhaps offered some choice words for his skipper. Regardless of just what happened, the decision was made that some time in the minors was on order for a reliever who had limped to a 4.99 ERA. It didn’t help, surely, that Giles struggled during the Astros’ World Series run.
There’s still plenty to like about Giles, of course. He’s averaging about 98 mph with his fastball and maintaining an excellent 16.4% swinging-strike rate, in line with his career numbers. He has never before been so stingy with free passes. While there has certainly been a rise in the hard contact Giles has surrendered, the tools seem to remain in place for a turnaround.
Though the two players’ once-similar paths have diverged in other ways, they remain a near-perfect match in terms of contract situations. Both are headed for free agency after the 2020 season. Giles is earning a bit less than Osuna this year ($4.6MM vs. $5.3MM), but those salaries will likely even out this fall since the former will have logged quite a few more MLB innings than the latter.
From a baseball perspective, Osuna seems clearly to be the most talented player in this deal. He has no real blemishes on his pitching record and could well be a critical piece of the Astros’ attempt to hang another banner while still maintaining its store of prospect capital. Of course, there’s also an unsavory reason that the club was able to achieve such potential value.
It seems the Blue Jays, in the midst of a failed season, decided to get what they could for a disgraced player. Though the team suggested otherwise publicly, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Jays had decided already to trade Osuna rather than allow him back on their active roster.
Giles certainly seems a worthwhile player to take a chance on, but the other pieces are notable as well. Paulino will bring his own baggage up north, as his once-bright prospect star faded after a PED suspension last year. He also had bone spurs removed from his elbow last fall and has been limited to seven appearances in the minors. He has allowed 11 earned runs in 18 Triple-A frames, but has also recorded a healthy 23:5 K/BB ratio.
Perez is another fairly advanced hurler of note. He has handed out far too many walks during his time on the Houston farm, but has also shown some swing and miss ability. Perez recently moved up to the Double-A level. In 89 1/3 total frames on the year, most at High-A, he’s carrying a 3.73 ERA with 10.2 K/9 and 4.8 BB/9. While there’s obviously some polish still needed, Perez has drawn plaudits from prospect hounds who love his pure stuff and think he could potentially still harness his command enough to make it into a MLB rotation — or, if not, turn into a nice high-leverage bullpen piece.
As for the corresponding moves made by Toronto, the DFA of Drake comes as little surprise, given that the righty was only recently claimed off waivers last week and had made just two appearances with the Blue Jays — his fourth MLB organization of the season. He’ll be traded, outrighted or released within the week. Moving Donaldson to the 60-day DL is merely a procedeural move; he’s not expected back until next month anyhow and will have missed far more than the requisite 60 days in total by the time he’s ready for activation.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
wattyman69
Wow
AstrosWS20
WHOA! Bold move Luhnow!
oldleftylong
Next up, … Whitey Bulgar.
pennantrace01
Next up, a Heimlich maneuver by Luthnow… since heck he was only a teenager. One man’s bold is another man’s hypocrite
MetsYankeesRedSox
That was fast!
Momus
…Osuna, before the arrest, might’ve been the most valuable RP in baseball. Stands to reason that there would be a lineup of teams ready to take a chance on him.
Jrankin1246
Haha what!? Not even close
Momus
“Not even close”?! And three people agree with that? Wow. Okay, so name some RPs who are more valuable.
No Soup For Yu!
Edwin Diaz, Felipe Vasquez, Josh Hader, Dellin Betances, Kenley Jansen, Aroldis Chapman, and Sean Doolittle to name a few
No Soup For Yu!
Oh and Raisel Iglesias. Forgot him
Momus
Sigh. See below. If you were looking at trading for any of those players, given their salaries, their age, their track record, and how many years of control you would be getting, Osuna would likely be worth more in trade than any of them.
No Soup For Yu!
I take it you read Kenley Jansen and Aroldis Chapman and nothing else. Raisel Iglesias: Excellent track record and numbers this year, controlled through 2021. Edwin Diaz: Arguably the best reliever in the game this year, solid track record, controlled through 2022. Felipe Vazquez: Solid track record, excellent numbers in 2018, and controlled through 2021. Josh Hader: Fantastic numbers this year and last, controlled through 2023. Dellin Betances: Largest track record of success of the younger pitchers, controlled through next year.
The thing about all of these pitchers aside from Betances is that they’re cost controlled. Osuna will go through the arb process that overvalues saves 3 more times. That will drastically decrease his value as he’ll be just as expensive as players like Jansen really quickly.
jdubs346
lol betances…. you must be a yankee fan and Vasquez isn’t proven
sportsfan101
Yet you don’t even name the number one rp the past 3 years+?! Kimbrel is by far the best and most desirable why you think Boston wants to trade for a proven closer with control Kimbrel will get paid next year
rose14
Kimbrel?
No Soup For Yu!
Dellin Betances: 2.44 ERA with 2.35 FIP, 77 K’s, 15.6 K/9, and a 4.05 K/BB ratio in 44.1 IP this season. 2.31 ERA, 2.29 FIP, 14.6 K/9 and 3.56 K/BB over his career.
I understand statistics might be a bit confusing for you, so let me just say that these numbers are elite. On par with Aroldis Chapman’s career numbers. If you’re actually denying that he’s an excellent pitcher, I’d love to know why. And nope, not a Yankee fan. Ranger fan. I just happen to look at stats. Unlike you apparently.
xabial
Some people are [literally] blinded by hate. Did I use “literally” right this time? haha.
Well said. Thank you, No Soup For Yu!
Momus
Doolittle is 8 years older and I definitely wouldn’t say he was a better RP. Betances is 7 years older. Jansen is 7 years older and owed over $60M until he’s 33. Felipe Vasquez is not better and doesn’t have a better track record, that’s just crazy. Edwin Diaz and Josh Hader being better is at best debatable.
I am legitimately stunned by how many people apparently agree with these opinions.
Momus
“Osuna, before the arrest, might’ve been the most valuable RP in baseball”
So let’s see if there’s more evidence to support that.
Highest WAR relief pitchers from 2015 through 2017, which is just before the arrest, in descending order, according to fangraphs:
1. Kenley Jansen
2. Andrew Miller
3. Aroldis Chapman
4. Dellin Betances
5. Roberto Osuna
Let’s see who had the best K/BB rate over those years…
1. Kenley Jansen
2. Andrew Miller
3. Roberto Osuna
Hmm… So it seems like Osuna has been one of the 5 or so best RPs in baseball since entering the league, and at the start of the season he still had 3 more years of team control, and was under contract for only $5M. On top of that he was only 23 years old.
I am honestly not getting how so many people don’t see that he was probably the most valuable, as in had the highest trade value, of any RP in baseball. It seems obvious to me.
therealryan
I like Osuna the pitcher just fine, but I’m not even sure if he had more trade value than Giles entering the season. From 2015-2017 here are Osuna and Giles stats.
Giles: 2.72 ERA, 2.45 FIP, 2.94 xFIP, 24.2% K%-BB%
Osuna: 2.86 ERA, 2.69 FIP, 3.23 xFIP, 24.9% K%-BB%
At the time both had 3 years of control remaining and Giles’ salary this year was $700K less than Osuna’s. That’s even a bigger gap than it initially sounds considering that they both would have had 2 more years of arbitration to build on that starting difference.
No Soup For Yu!
It’s probably because you’re a Blue Jays fan. And the statement you made wasn’t that he was better, it’s that he was more valuable. I gave you plenty of reasons why those pitchers would be more valuable and now you’ve flip flopped to it being a matter “who’s better”. Make up your mind and get your argument straight. Maybe then people will take you seriously.
Also, I never stated that those pitchers were better than Osuna, but more valuable. Besides, if you can honestly look at the numbers for Hader and Diaz and say that it’s merely debatable that Osuna is better than them, you really are a fool.
Momus
Did you even read my comment? I clearly lay out facts that show Osuna has been one of the very best RPs in baseball since arriving in the league, then explain how that, combined with his age, the years of team control left, and his contract, would make him, at least arguably, the highest trade value RP in baseball.
Nothing about that comment is remotely a change in my original position, and your attempt to characterize it as such implies that you are either being intellectually dishonest about it, or lack the intelligence to understand what was written.
No Soup For Yu!
Yes I did read your comment. But it’s clear that you never read mine beyond the names that I wrote down. And projecting your own lack of intelligence and incapability of understanding simple statistics on to me (it’s either that or your lack of reading comprehension) isn’t going to make me take you seriously. Yes, Osuna is very valuable, and his numbers are elite, but your belief that he might have been the most valuable reliever in the league is foolish and you know it. Can you honestly say that the majority of teams wouldn’t have chosen to have Hader, Diaz or Iglesias if given the choice between them and Osuna? If you can, then that says a lot about your evaluation skills.
Momus
Uh huh. Let’s walk through some of the things you’ve said:
You gave up immediately on Jansen and Chapman because you realized you were 100% hilariously wrong.
You then gave up on Doolittle and Vasquez when you realized you were wrong about them too.
So now, based on being proved wrong on all the others, you’re hanging your hat on the idea that, prior to this season when Osuna got arrested, teams would’ve chosen Hader, Diaz, and Iglesias over him.
First of all, I in no way think that’s true. A lot of teams would look at the track record of Osuna, the saves, the fact that he’s the youngest of all 4, and the fact that he has succeeded in the AL East, and chosen him over all of them. Hell, Hader had exactly one good season at the start of this year.
Second of all, establishing that there might possibly be 3 other RPs in all of baseball who could have similar, or possibly greater value, is basically agreeing with my original statement that “Osuna might’ve been the most valuable RP in baseball” prior to his arrest.
You’re saying that there were 4 names who could credibly be considered to have the highest trade value among RPs at the start of this season, and Osuna was one of them.
No Soup For Yu!
I gave up on them because it became clear from reading your comments that you would be unwilling to listen to reason regarding them.
I can’t think of a single team in baseball that would choose Osuna over Chapman or Jansen even with their contracts attached, but you would never agree because “OMG THEY’RE SO EXPENSIVE”. I gave up on Vazquez once you said that there’s no way that he’s as good as Osuna and I then realized that you’re talking out of your ass. He may not have the same track record, but he’s controllable for longer and has pitched just as well as Osuna since the start of 2017. More strikeouts, fewer homeruns, longer period of control, but you wrote him off immediately.
I knew from your arguments, or rather the lack thereof, that you’d be unwilling to listen to anything I said regarding those players because you’d already decided in your mind that Osuna is better. Hell, that still hasn’t changed. Everything I’ve said will go in one ear and out the other with you.
My original point still stands. There are far more valuable relievers in baseball than you give credence to, but nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind on that. He was never even close to the most valuable reliever in baseball. Too many others had him beat. There comes a point where ability outweighs salary, especially in the cases of Chapman and Jansen, but you’ll never understand that. You actually think teams look at saves when deciding a players value. That alone shows me that you either don’t know how teams evaluate players, or that you’re purposefully grasping at straws.
Kevin 23
Kimbrel, Chapman, and Britton just in his division!
Momus
Uh huh. Well you’ve certainly convinced yourself that you’re right.
As a side note, you should try to be a little less obvious with your sock puppet accounts – this far down in a thread having every one of your posts get exactly 4 upvotes and every one of mine get exactly 4 down votes makes it really, really obvious that those accounts are all you.
Maybe continue the conversation with your other accounts, I won’t be checking back in on this.
No Soup For Yu!
I’ve convinced myself that I’m right not because I am right, but because you refuse to listen to reason. And you honestly think I have the time, or the patience, to create fake accounts just to upvote my posts and downvote yours? That’s hilarious. It just shows who people think is right vs who people think is full of crap. This is a high traffic post near the top of the comments section. It’s one of the things people see first when they come to the comments section. Instead of countering the points I made, you point to the upvotes and cry like a baby as though they mean something, which just further proves my point that you’re grasping at straws because you’re out of arguments.
thomasg2018
As an Astro fan I can tell you Giles is a mental midge at best. If Osuna goes to jail the Astros still come out ahead in the deal.
mazzith
I wanted the Rangers to get him, they don’t need him this year, but his value would skyrocket next year. This is a great pick up for the Astros.
stretcharmstrong1
Agreed. Is Giles a fa at the end of the year?
osonvs
He was never the most valuable RP in baseball.
Tom E. Snyder
Value is in the eye of the beholder.
osonvs
Then the beholder should get a pair of glasses.
Momus
Three years of control. Elite RP. Consistent year after year. 23 years old.
Put it this way – what do you think Osuna would’ve gotten if he had been a free agent after last season?
jdubs346
The word isn’t best, it’s valuable, he controllable beyond 2020
scottstewaart
chapman , kimbrel , herrera , edwin diaz
johnrealtime
Herrera? No
amaymon
Herrera? Kelvin? not a chance is he in that tier
thesheriffisnear
Really, you mention Herrera, but not the best reliever in the game in Jansen? But to add to the list, Vazquez, Hand, Hader, Knebel, Iglesias probably all more valuable than Osuna
Momus
Chapman costs over three times as much per season and is 7 years older. Kimbrel costs almost 3 times as much, is 7 years older, and is a free agent after this season. Herrera is a free agent after this season, and is 5 years older.
None of these guys have anywhere near as much value as Osuna.
natsfan3437
If you take age, current production, and future potential into account then yes he is.
But if you are talking about right now I’m just current production then your right.
2012orioles
Exactly. So many people don’t understand what the guy meant. No osunas not the best but for what his contract is he’s a top value player.
Phattey
He really was he’s the youngest player to reach 100 saves , if he keeps pitching well and avoids injury he could easily make the HOF at this rate
Thomas Walker
Easy big fella. This guy needs about 500 more saves to start that conversation. It’s far likelier that he doesn’t get 104 more saves honestly.
oldleftylong
Seriously?
redsoxfan2
Wow
Kayrall
I think it’s safe to say that this makes them a good team.
SKbreesy
Weren’t they already a good team? They have 67 wins….
staxxxxxxxxx
whoosh
rsoxfan4ever
How so he can’t pitch
mazzith
He can be activated Sunday to start pitching.
oldleftylong
Uh, dangerous team … in multiple respects.
rerogers
Traded for some legal issues. great….
baseballpun
Assaulting women isn’t “legal issues.”
rerogers
No? That’s a terrible thing. We’ll see what the courts decide. In the meantime, finding out Giles and Paulino were involved made this deal totally worth it
KG25Baseball
Oof who’s the return
Tom E. Snyder
Giles.
xabial
Makes too much sense. Astros are championship calibur but their RP (still) one of their weaknesses. This guy got suspended 75 games?
Maybe that’s how desperate they were Lol.
mazzith
His suspension is almost over. Only like 5 days left.
Breezy
Suspended 75 games, but eligible for the playoffs. lol.
seamaholic 2
If he’s not in jail, which is a significant possibility.
jbs32
I believe hes charged with a misdemeanor so i dont think jail is a possibility
kenneth cole
A misdemeanor means you can spend time in jail…
ldfanatic
2 weekends
Kylesamac
And or pay a fine. Given the third party interest in that not happening you will see him pay the maximum legal fine as part of a plea agreement if it becomes clear jail is a risk.
Momus
Under Canadian law there are summary convictions and indictable offenses for most types of assault. While unlikely given that he had no prior history, even a summary conviction for assault could carry up to an 18 month prison sentence for Osuna.
HalosHeavenJJ
Thanks for that info Momus.
Momus
Np
kaskro
Anyone know what he actually did?
jimmertee
I hear it was awful what he did. The GF may or may not tell the whole story because she wants him to earn a big living for his[her] kid. I expect some sort of deal.
I am told normally jailtime is a possibility for cases like this.
yournotascout
Can you elaborate?
ShieldF123
Not quite. Idk about Canada but in NY. A misdemeanor is max 2 years… dude is a scumbag one way or the other
Momus
There is no such thing as a misdemeanor in Canadian law, see my comment above. If his case is prosecuted as a summary conviction, which is similar to the concept of a misdemeanor, the maximum jail sentence is 18 months.
It’s also worth noting that it is not necessary for the victim to “press charges” under Canadian law as the police can do that if they believe a crime has been committed, regardless of whether the victim is willing to cooperate.
mazzith
His suspension ends Sunday. He’ll be playing baseball by the start of next week.
mack22 2
This could be an answer to his problem, this way Canada gets him out of the country, everybody’s happy
ldfanatic
Wont cost them anything either. Solid pickup as long as he isnt an idiot any longer.
ohioplayers
Cost them Ken Giles. He’s in the doghouse in Houston, but that’s not even close to nothing
Tom E. Snyder
Traded them our problem for their problem.
ldfanatic
Giles was done in Houston. Costed them very little.
Meow Meow
Oof.
alski353
…da.’, ey?
Momus
Wow. I’m afraid to find out what Toronto got for him. This has a very high potential of being a brutal trade for the Jays.
justacubsfan
Bet they got him for nothing/bare minimum
srechter
Now it’s time to play everybody’s favorite game: moral flip flopping when your team benefits!!
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Exactly
bass86
As an astro fan I am disappointed. Not so much because of the suspension and pending charges. I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty and will reserve judgement on that. My concern is the guy hasn’t pitched in quite some time so what are we getting exactly. Hopefully we gave up very little to get him.
mikeyziggy
He is on a rehab assignment and hasn’t allowed a run in some 7 games.
kingtopher
“As an Astros fan I’m disappointed. Not because he abuses women, but because I’m scared he might not be as good a pitcher.” Jesus Christ. As a human I’m disappointed that he still has a job at all.
DirtbagBlues
The lack of self awareness here is fascinating.
rtrgobraves
Maybe a Giles move is soon to come? Unless he was somehow part of this package
oaklandfan1
Its for Giles
yournotascout
Giles is in the deal
yanks02026
He’ll fit in great with the racist gurriel. Hopefully the Astros fans won’t give osuna a standing ovation like they did for gurriel
Kayrall
Lol @ salty Yankees fans
xabial
Lol @ Kayrall painting Yankee fans with a broad paintbrush because of one comment (yanks02026)
You’re better than this. Don’t people do it enough to your Cubs [fans]?
Kayrall
@ Xabial. I love you long time. I’m just passing along the ball-busting hot potato.
getright11
Shut up. Your act is tired. Go edit some of your posts, as you are famous for doing.
xabial
Does the 11 in your username stand for age? I.use edit function as often as I can cuz it’s there. Just wait 5min, comment become permanent.
I recommend beta-blockers, if me editing my comments irritates you. (Unless you’re 11)
yanks02026
Don’t really care if you think Im being salty or not, but what I posted is correct. Gurriel is a racist for mocking Asian people. And Its a FACT that Astros fans gave Gurriel a standing ovation the game after being caught mocking asians.
Orbit
Shut up, crybaby. There’s not a person on this earth that hasn’t made fun of someone in their life. Get off your high horse
Sheev Palpatine
Honestly, who hasn’t done that with their eyes before.
kenneth cole
Exactly hahaha
Taejonguy
you do realize, that in his culture, it is not considered racist?
until you leave your home country, language, family, etc. you should maybe hold off on generalized statements. He was informed it was wrong and apologized… he is freaking 23 years old- I bet you were a model of decency at that age? I know I wasn’t…
aj_54
I love orbit
conquerbeard
Taejonguy, you do realize Yuli Gurriel is actually 34, right? Unless you mean that assault is a part of Osuna’s culture, as HE is, in fact, 23.
dp wright
You do realize that Yuli Gurriel is 34 years old not 23…………………………….so….
………..how old do you have to be to make a racist gesture and be in the wrong….40? 50? a billion?
Goat Slayer
Dear Yankee fan, who is closing your games and what was he suspended for?
fw-
Darvish seemed to move on rather quickly. Why can’t you?
Taejonguy
sorry thought you were referring to Osuna’s former BlueJay teammate… the better, younger brother!
yournotascout
Shhh! Chapman has a sterling record
nymetsking
He’s a Yankee though, so that doesn’t count.
ldfanatic
Coming from a Yankee fan who welcomed Chapman eith open arms. stfd.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
OK, but…you do realize that much of the Yankees current success is due to their repeated acquisitions of abuser Aroldis Chapman?
stros1fan
Wait a minute. You have a domestic violence person closing games for your favorite team. Pot, have you met kettle?
gmenfan
And the “Don’t Throw Stones” Award of the day goes to …
clubberlang
This coming from the scumbag Yank fans that poured beer all over the players and coaches wives during the ALCS. The whole stadium chanted Hurricane Harvey multiple times. New York Yankee fans are a bunch of bums with zero class.
acarneglia
Giles and Osuna that’ll be quite the 1-2 punch out of the bullpen.
oaklandfan1
Giles is going to Jays
acarneglia
That just broke my heart. Real guy punch.
acarneglia
*gut
javier 3
I bet they either traded at least 3 prospects or they traded one top 10
Tom E. Snyder
Giles–our problem for theirs.
javier 3
My bad I was guessing lol
ThePriceWasRight
And the 10th ranked prospect plus paulino
slim7180
I thought players suspended by the league were ineligible for the playoffs? Is that just PEDs? I know Robinson Cano is ineligible for the M’s when he comes back… maybe it’s just PEDs, but in my opinion it should probably be domestic violence suspensions as well…
Momus
If you take PEDs, you’re ineligible for the postseason, but if you commit a criminal assault, you’re fine. It makes no sense but that’s the rules.
slim7180
Slightly ass backwards but I don’t make the rules… someone should probably address this in the next collective bargaining session. This could be some bad PR for MLB if he goes on an absolute tear and dominates in the post season. Can only imagine the message that will send…
bass86
he hasn’t been convicted of criminal salt…….yet. Be truthful.
slim7180
Pretty sure the commish wouldn’t suspend him for “doing nothing”
jbs32
100% they would to not look weak on the issue once accusations go public. League has already said in these cases charges and guilt not needed for suspension. Not that i think he did nothing but legal situation probably not as bad as people are assuming
graysondecker
It’s happened before. It may be a different league, but Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers took a 6 game suspension in 2010 for a sexual assault accusation he wasn’t even charged for. He was never proven guilty, or even charged with a crime, but still suspended
Momus
I didn’t say he did, only that if someone is convicted of criminal assault during the season, or suspended under the domestic abuse and child abuse policy they are, bizarrely, still eligible for postseason play, whereas if suspended for PED use, they are not.
oldleftylong
Didn’t keep Whitey out of jail.
Aoe3
As a Jays fan sad to see Osuna go. Immense talent, theres a documentary about him a year or two old now. He needed to leave Toronto tho after the suspension, expecially with all the young kids coming up soon.
aj_54
he is one of those young kids…
velorum
Rosenthal saying Giles is going to Toronto. A punch for a punch.
ohioplayers
Nice! I mean it’s not, but solid wordplay
Bryzzo2016
That’s a strong get for the Astros. Wow!
24TheKid
So now they have a racist and someone with domestic violence issues on the team. Houston must be proud.
bass86
you suck
bass86
lol, you’d say anything to remove one ounce of talent from this Houston team. Because you know the Yankees love getting eliminated by the Astros in the playoffs. That’s what they play for every year now.
raef715
at least they dont have anyone who sent insensitive tweets wheh they were a teenager.
24TheKid
Astros are the best team in Baseball, doesn’t mean that Gurriel and Osuna haven’t done what they’ve done.
Taejonguy
look! we have an Angel in our midst! someone who has never mocked, disparaged, slandered or lied about another person….
angel, hell! it is a saint!
24TheKid
I would guess that you are one of those people that hate everyone you disagree with and believe anything that person says is evil, but people you align with are perfect tho matter what they say or do. You probably hate Donald Trump with a passion because he is a racist and sexist, but rush to defend players who are also racist or assault woman because they play for your team.
Grade_1_teacher
That’s true. No one wants that racist Josh Hater.
jdgoat
Cmon get over Gurriel everybody else has.
Grade_1_teacher
The Jays should’ve waited until next year’s deadline to move Osuna. Albeit he’s a wife beater, he still throws a whole lot better than Giles and Giles is temperamental and immature. Oh, boy…
Paul Miller
It’s easy to say this now, but by next year’s deadline, Osuna could be on the 60 day DL and people will be saying we should of traded him before!
jdgoat
Giles is good. Have you seen his Fip this year?
ldfanatic
Hahahahahahahaha
Cam
A bird in the hand, two in the bush.
Hen1CHC
GarryHarris called this on the original Osuna thread.
Monkey’s Uncle
Good, I was hoping that someone else recognized this. That was my first reaction on seeing this trade: “Holy crap, someone called this exact deal!”
Psychguy
And he’s a good character guy. Great culture we live in.
Grade_1_teacher
Reports tell that Giles is not good in the clubhouse and is defiant and not teachable. That’s why he’s in the minors. At least Osuna acts up away from the field. I’d rather have Osuna.
gmenfan
*palm to face*
baseballsavvy
Overblown rubbish. Guaranteed Giles will be happy to come here and will act accordingly. New starts tend to do that. His time was up with Houston.
jdgoat
Don’t even know the whole return and I love this for the Jays
Matt Galvin
Means Estrada can be Trade know and maybe Stroman because got a Starter back in Trade Paulino.
kenneth cole
What a steal for Houston if it’s just for Giles
michaelw
lol do you guys read. It Giles for Ozuna.
No win situation if you ask me.
Tom E. Snyder
Or win-win. They get our problem, we get theirs.
jdgoat
If their problem is a pitcher who lost his slider this year, I’ll gladly take it. It’d sure be something if he gets it back and starts throwing like he’s capable of. I’m loving that Fip
kenneth cole
Are we forgetting the biggest piece of garbage plays for the Mets?
canadianyankee
So the deal in a nutshell is; a guy that hits women traded for a guy that hits himself…Jays fans in a very liberal city would have lost their minds if Osuna didn’t get moved…this kid is very good at pitching, however his moral compass is broken…and comparing him to Chapman as an earlier post did is slightly off, Chapman shot a gun in his garage when he was angry with his wife…Osuna did a much more serious offence (and basically admitted guilt by accepting the suspension without appeal)
RichW 2
No he did not admit guilt. An appeal may have resulted in a longer suspension. Despicable as the charge is he deserves his day in court
firstbleed
Shout out to ‘GarryHarris’ who called this in the other article. Nice challenge trade.
GB85
It’s Giles +, according to Rosethal.
Begamin
so one talented headache for another? i guess so. i think giles is a worse clubhouse presence than Osuna is. i have no real evidence for that claim but it just seems like it. this does mean that the yankees get to potentially face him more and it would be hilarious to watch him try to kick himself in the face this time
Grade_1_teacher
Agreed. I’d rather have Osuna because at least he is a menace off the field. Giles is a primadonna and he overrates himself.
theUpdate23
for those interested in the rumours, Osuna and his girlfriend were seen arguing late night at their apartment complex in downtown toronto. shortly after osuna’s girlfriend was found by the complex’s concierge with “significant” injuries and required treatment in the hospital. osuna was arrested shortly after without incident.
she has pressed charges and has decided to continue with thm due to the seriousness of her injuries.
osuna was suspended for 75 games and did not appeal the suspension.
is going to trial, will plead not guilty, but may try and settle for a lesser charge as to not restrict his ability to travel.
emceecee
For the record, in Canada it is not up to the victim to “press charges”, the police do that. Nothing the victim does can directly cause charges to dropped.
theUpdate23
thanks. i stand corrected!
KD17
Nice recap. If the Astros know all this then it seems like they would do this for 1 of 2 reasons: 1 – They have inside info that might clear or semi-clear him and he won’t lose additional time this year or 2 – They accept that Rondon will close this year and he will be their guy next year after the dust clears. The later makes the most sense to me if Giles is a disruptive force in their clubhouse/organization. They are doing extremely well using their current bullpen and now they have a stud for next year assuming there is no carry-over based on his court case.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Morality is the new market inefficiency.
Moral indifference is the new Moneyball.
bigdaddyt
Both players reach free agency at the same time. And the jays get out of that pr nightmare along with a couple prospects. Doesn’t seem like a bad deal for osuna now but defiantly could end up being like when the reds traded chapmen for a bag of balls
mmarinersfan
Astros make a heel turn.
dudeness88
solid.
hamelin4mvp
How hard is Ken Giles going to punch himself in the face when he realizes he was traded from World Series Champions to a team 24.5 games back in its division.
100% he knocks himself out.
Ninth 3 Year Plan
Since it’s going to get him out of Fresneck, probably not very hard
#ridingthebussucks
darkstar61
So guys with extreme attitude problems, PED problems and control problems for a guy with legal problems stemming from anxiety and temper problems
Seems about right
CompanyAssassin
I think this is in poor taste, personally
justinept
I said this when the Cubs got Chapman. General Managers keep their job based on the wins and losses of the big league club. If they start playing the morality police, then their rival will lap them in the race for talent.
Don’t get mad at Luhnow for acquiring Osuna. If he didn’t, a rival would have. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at the commissioner. He’s really the only one with the power to prevent your favorite team from going after guys like this…
Paul Heyman
I saw someone call the osuna-Giles trade earlier, even though at that point it was just speculation.
GB85
Anyone have any info on the quality of the two pitching prospects coming back to Toronto?
seamaholic 2
Paulino was an absolute stud, one of the best pitching prospects in the game, until suspended for PED’s last year. Presumably the arm talent is still there. Perez is another uber talented arm. The Astros paid very heavily here.
GB85
Wow, sounds like TO did very well. Thanks.
nutbunnies
The Astros are a truly despicable organization for this. Wow.
ThePriceWasRight
This is an amazing trade.
1. The haul Toronto got for a guy that likely their Ownership said had to go regardless of what comes out of this legal situation is impressive.
2. Osuna currently suspended for assaulting someone is traded for Paulino who was suspended for PEDs last year and Giles who assaults himself.
rocky7
Giles assaulting himself…..that’s a good one man!
dudeness88
can’t make this stuff up.
venom
That loser piece of crap should be suspended all year. Beating up women!
The Human Toilet
So moral of the Story is if you beat your wife or girlfriend you will be rewarded by being traded to a contender
venom
What I loser I challenge him to come beat me up. What a worthless ass ! Good looking couple astros trading for a loser like me him
Priggs89
As long as you don’t challenge him to an English test, you might have a chance.
Downbytheriver
Heads up Giles….before you do anything remember John Gibbons will Ted Lilly / Shea Hillenbrand your a$$ quick!
Boogaloo
To bad Boston didn’t get him so all the Asros fans could call them scum, lol.
Gueriell and osuna, is John Rocker the GM?
jdgoat
Now he just has to trade for Chapman
JJ Wattcha Going to do Brother
Good riddance to Giles
BusterMove
Cool to see the Jays trade a guy who punches women for a guy who punches himself.
H-Town2017
Assault charges aside, which is deplorable, the Astros won this trade hands downs. Giles is an absolute headcase, a terrible teammate, unwilling to be coached and one of the dumbest individuals you would ever meet. Hate to say this but he’s ruined in terms of high leverage situations.. Astros fans know something about a closer being mentally ruined, see Albert Pujols vs Brad Lidge. .
i’ve gotten to see Paulino a lot. He was highly rated and no longer on any top prospect list. Both guys are very likely to end up in the pen due to lack of command and horrible walk rates. Paulino is very injury prone as well. I honestly wish everyone the best but TOR fans really need to temper expectations.
alski353
Hold the fort!!! I thought WE were AGAINST…something something.. borders…something-something…throw ball good. Something something, OK then.
TennVol
Regardless of his character, Osuna is a great closer and when he is closing out championship games for you, you won’t care about what happened in one moment of his life. He was going to be the Jays “Mariano Rivera” and he pitched like it. Absolutely ice water in his veins and dominates and thrives in pressure situations. Astros fans are going to love him.
TheBoatmen
Are we taking about the same Osuna? Thrives in pressure situations…when he is not suffering from anxiety. I thought he as a great pitcher but when he blew a save he blew it epically. He blew quiet a few but those are the growing pains of having a young closer. Would not describe him as you did.
HouthonAthroths
In all seriousness this was a good trade for both parties. All the pitchers have potential to break out and are under team control long enough to do that.
anthony_v38
Just sitting here waiting on some eye popping moves…
waiting to see what’s under Brian cashmans sleeve #yourontheclock
stymeedone
Just a guess, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Houston finds it difficult to take Osuna into Canada as borders are much tighter these days. It may also have been a factor for Toronto being motivated to move him. A closer who’s not allowed in the country for home games doesn’t have a whole lot of value.
HouthonAthroths
That’s fine. A win in Toronto won’t make or break a season especially if they aren’t in the playoffs
Momus
On the plus side that’s not likely to affect their postseason chances for the next few years. :-/
Chris4Sale74
stay classy Houston, stay classy….oh wait, too late, haha
Bobby Hill
haHAA im funny BTW
luclusciano
Just glad The yankees didn’t acquire another dream bestie abuser.
Ted
Jeff, a previous post today on Osunas trade availability stated that he was controlled through the 2021 season due to his suspension affecting service time. This post says 2020. What’s the true verdict here?
jdgoat
Amazing content Boogaloo. That last line was great. Must be one nice glass house you’ve got
justin-turner overdrive
The Astros are trash for doing this. What a bunch of a**holes. Osuna doesn’t belong in MLB.
TOMMY RAWLES
So cuss out your manager, down to triple A. Punch your girlfriend, hey come be our closer
GarryHarris
I got Machado’s new team right and now this one. I’m going out to buy some lotto tickets.
dudeness88
where’s Harper going my man? got the inside track?
AJPGotThat2020Vision
What if they just said screw it and signed Heimlich too
HaloShane
Nice pickup! Angel clowns take notes. As you are ok being 20 games out, under .500, and can’t sniff the playoffs. The Astros are always looking to better themselves.
The Human Toilet
Some teams just not a big fan employing wife beaters on their teams.
Bobby Hill
Yikes
Grade_1_teacher
Everyone forgave Aroldis Chapman after he came back and pitched well. The same will happen with Roberto Osuna. Get over what happened. None of you were there or understood the circumstances around what happened. Clearly, the Astros saw something in him so let’s see how he performs when he comes back.
snake120
I think the jays have some insight to what is going happen at his aug 1 court date,,,,Canada has a tough judicial system,,,,,just saying
iverbure
Lol wut? Canada gives everyone slaps on the wrist.
Coal tender
What possessed the Astros to acquire some one of his character knowing full well the Canadian criminal justice system will punish him severely for his actions? Luhnow has made some good moves, but this one is questionable.
jimmertee
I think this is a good deal for both clubs baseballwise. Congrats to both…although…..the Astros are choosing winning and business over integrity. I have heard that Osuna really roughed her up badly and when it comes out, it might temper his long term baseball opportunities. One told me that normally jailtime is associated with what he did. I ehar he needs to buy her off and get the case dropped.
Having said that Osuna is a good closer and if anxiety is under control, he’ll be able to be depended on.
The Jays pick up a malcontent in Giles who can be very good and Paulino, who has a chance to be special. Perez is going nowhere at the MLB level..
iverbure
Perez is going nowhere and Paulino could be special? Are you sure your scouts eyes are crossed and have the two players mixed up? Because Paulino prospect status has faded quite a bit in the eyes of the actual scouts who you know are actually scouts who get paid. Perez is the higher ceiling guy.
Lennon's Dad
How could they have the nerve to cite their zero-tolerance policy while simultaneously welcoming him and patting themselves on the back for the work they put into making this deal happen? Talk about a lack of integrity of the first order.
If he goes to jail–and I hope he does–Houston will be getting exactly what they deserve from this.
houston turmoiler
Unless the Astros remember how to hit it won’t matter. They’ll get passed up by the Mariners and A’s the way they’ve been playing since the break. This lineup is garbage right now.
therealryan
This was a great deal for the Jays. There is a very real posibility that Giles is better in Toronto than Osuna in Houston and then the Jays also get two interesting upper level minor league pitchers added in. Considering the suspension, ongoing legal case, and history of mental health issues, this is a huge get for the Jays.
Last 2 years:
Giles: 118 IP, 3.42 ERA, 2.42 FIP, 3.00 xFIP, 43.4% GB%, 25.4% K%-BB%
Osuna: 108 IP, 3.42 ERA, 2.48 FIP, 3.01 xFIP, 42.4% GB%, 25.9% K%-BB%
stormie
Seems like a good deal for both teams. Both players get fresh starts and both teams get better value for their damaged goods than they likely would have dealing with anyone else. Osuna will be a rock for Houston and Giles could very quickly repair his value and be flipped by the Jays in the offseason for even more prospects.
iverbure
Question, who gets sent down in the Astros pen when Osuna is done his suspension assuming nobody is injured.
jkwdbu
Devo—only RP with options. Been pitching like trash recently too.
Tom E. Snyder
My source says Harris and McHugh each have 1.
madmanTX
They’re showing Osuna’s assault video here on Houston tv today. Congrats to the Astros on choosing talent over character. smh
RedRooster
Big shoutout to whoever it was that referred to Giles as “Ken ‘The Fist’ Giles” in a livechat a few weeks ago.