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Arte Moreno: Angels’ Payroll “Not Going Down” In 2021

By Mark Polishuk | November 17, 2020 at 2:32pm CDT

During today’s media event to introduce new general manager Perry Minasian, Angels owner Arte Moreno responded to a question about the club’s 2021 payroll by saying “it’s not going down.”  (J.P. Hoornstra of the Southern California News Group was among those to report the news.)  The Angels’ payroll was projected at roughly $179.5MM heading into the 2020 season before the shortened season reduced that number to just under $65MM.

Many teams are expected to slightly to heavily decrease payroll this offseason, and the Angels already exhibited some financial restraint earlier this year when they made widespread furloughs of employee salaries throughout the organization.  Moreno’s statement will therefore bring some relief to Angels fans who were perhaps worried that the team might take a step back to reload rather than push to end its streak of five consecutive losing seasons.

According to Roster Resource, the Angels have a projected payroll of just over $158.75MM in 2021.  An 11-player arbitration class will see at least a few non-tenders and thus a few more million taken off the books, leaving Minasian with approximately $25MM to work with in his first offseason in Anaheim.  That doesn’t factor, of course, the possibility that other salaries could be moved as part of trades.

A lot can be done with $25MM, especially in an offseason when team spending could be down and a depressed market could lead to some bargain signings.  That helps an Angels team that has plenty of holes to fill in the middle infield (a replacement for free agent Andrelton Simmons), potentially at first base or catcher, and most of all, in the pitching staff.

What $25MM wouldn’t do, however, is accommodate a large average annual salary for an upper-tier free agent like J.T. Realmuto or Trevor Bauer, unless some other money was moved around elsewhere on the roster.  The luxury tax threshold is also something of a concern, though with a current tax number of just over $174MM, the Halos should be able to stay under the $210MM threshold.  While the Angels have maintained high payrolls under Moreno, they have paid a tax bill only once — 2004, Moreno’s first full season owning the team.

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  1. PapiElf

    5 years ago

    Speaking of Andrelton Simmons, I really can’t see him going to the Yankees despite what plenty of reports say. Going back to the Angels seems unlikely too. Maybe the Reds? Great American is a bandbox and he has the swing to go to both sides of the field.

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    • Troutgolfsinoctober

      5 years ago

      You are correct my friend, the Yankees shouldn’t go after another injury prone player. I don’t know where Simmons goes either

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      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        5 years ago

        I have a hard time seeing that one, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman just waits & waits, & takes whichever middle infielder he feels is an underpay. That’s pretty much how he landed DJ.

        Now, if there actually is a mandate to get payroll under 210 mil we may not know who Gleyber’s double play partner is until March.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Agree ducky, deals are to be had and Cashman doesn’t need to rush it. My thought process is the same. We always did agree. . . War time consigliere 🙂

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          5 years ago

          Holy…blast from the past!

          Is this my old WAR time consigliere? Oh, man…you fellas are in for it now, man.

          Truly hope all is well with you.
          Cheers!

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          all good my guy….. been a rough ride and been through a lot lately. Having to deal with my back and then some stomach issues and had contracted covid about two weeks ago but I’m not complaining. They say when it rains it pours. There are ppl who are dealing with worse so I’m just fortunate to be alive. Trying to keep a positive attitude. It’s good to hear from you too and thanks for the well wishes brother.

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          5 years ago

          Damn.
          Sounds more like a monsoon than a rain storm. Yeah, tough to keep a fella like you down, though.

          Catching you here was my MLBTR highlight for the day, man.
          Super good to hear from you. I’ll be looking out for you here in the future.

          Stay tough, bro.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Thx that means a lot to me. I’m trying, you have a good night my friend.

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  2. Cypress13

    5 years ago

    Well, 25 million only to spend. Looks like another wasted year of Trouts career and another mediocre Angels team. I had high hopes for the new GM but Artie will need to open his checkbook more than 25 M to get them anywhere.

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    • Jbigz12

      5 years ago

      Hard to maneuver when you waste so much money on Upton and Pujols. Add Trout and Rendon to that and that’s pretty much your entire payroll. Doesn’t leave much left for the other 22 slots.

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      • Cypress13

        5 years ago

        Totally agree. This just seems like such an opportunity in the market to get some good players at a depressed price. Maybe it is the time to cross the luxury tax threshold knowing Pujols comes off the books next year

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Bingo, if you can get 30mm to spend after next year when Albert comes off then you should go over the threshold.

          Problem is they need BP help and SP help and a SS and a catcher lol. All for 25mm? Not happening! Get a defense first catcher on the cheap, pen arms can be had for a bargain this year, and sign a decent SP(bulk of the 25mm if not all of it). Then hope Simmons takes a 1 year prove it deal and stays healthy.
          Outside of that what else can you do? Unless you want to spend stupid philly money. Which I think they should. What else is the alternative? They won’t trade young talent, so how else can you get there? Spending usually doesn’t work well for arte but he has no choice if he wants mike to play meaningful baseball. He needs to go like 20-30 over the cap to fill all gaps with real good players, then albert comes off next year and your at the tax line and you reconsider.

          But arte won’t do it……Guess mike will be playing golf this fall again lol

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        • trout27

          5 years ago

          Simmons walked out on the team with five games to play, the Angels won’t offer him a contract.
          After some non-tenders they should have around 35-40 million to spend.

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        • i like al conin

          5 years ago

          The trade route would also bring in under-market players, especially RPs. With Upton on 2 more years, trading Marsh for a need would help.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          So what if they have 35, is 35 enough for two or three BP arms, two starters, a shortstop and a catcher? No it is not.

          Look I’m not saying you are the one who says this but too many angels fans over value their rotation. Their rotation flat out is Not good enough to take them to the playoffs. So you need two starters. They aren’t to be had, Trevor will command a heavy dollar that arte could afford, but not will all those needs.

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      • Chief Two Hands

        5 years ago

        Yeah the Angels payroll may not be going down, but their chances of winning aren’t likely to go up either. Not as long as Moreno is the owner.

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        • sdfriarfan

          5 years ago

          What is Moreno doing wrong. He’s brought some big name players to the team. It’s those players that have under performed. I don’t get it.

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        • Cypress13

          5 years ago

          Arte has brought in big names. The issue for me is not that he won’t spend money, it is that sometimes he can’t stay out of his own way. He has asserted himself into trades and signing and I know he is the owner and has the right, but sometimes it is to the detriment of the team.

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        • i like al conin

          5 years ago

          I agree. Nearly every team in baseball would want an owner who spends. He has really tried to do the right thing. Angels fans today don’t remember the low payrolls of the Autrys. So much criticism.

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        • GarryHarris

          5 years ago

          Low Payroll of Gene Autry? Gene Autry was one of the first owners who embraced free agency. Like many owners, his teams suffered from owner interference. He was a fan of the past. After the 1976 season, the Angels signed Don Baylor, Joe Rudi, Bobby Grich, Lyman Bostock, Before and after free agency, the Angels traded, purchased and signed for many veteran well known all stars from the past often to the detriment of the team. Bill Singer, Bobby Bonds, Rod Carew, Dan Ford, Bert Campaneris, Fred Lynn, Jason Thompson, Bob Boone, Rick Burleson, Reggie Jackson, Don Sutton, George Hendrick, Jerry Reuss, John Candelaria, Bert Blyleven, Dave Winfield, Dave Parker, Lance Parrish… California was where all star veterans went for their twighlight.. Fortunately, Gene Mauch was the perfect manager and made those teams compete.

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        • pcwizblue

          5 years ago

          Moreno don’t even know what city the team play in.

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        • ryanw-2

          5 years ago

          Autry didn’t open his wallet until that 1977 season and that was a short period of time until the late 80’s. Then he stripped payroll down again to where the Angels were either in the middle of the pack or lower, mostly because Jackie convinced him to go back to the drawing board and invest more in the farm system. That led to developing the core that won them their championship. But payroll was stagnant from the late 80’s until Arte bought the franchise.

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          RyÅn W Krol

          My guess is you are not a long time Angel fan. Prior to the draft being instituted in 1965, two of the biggest bonus babies in baseball were Tom Egan and Rick Reichardt. After the draft the 1965 draft, the only time an owner could spend was after the 1976 season.

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      • bot

        5 years ago

        California dreaming on such a rainy day…..

        Sign Quintina and Morton. That’ll solidify rotation. Then flip Adell for lindor and have Indians eat a big chunk of salary for getting Adell. That’ll get ya close to 25 mil and a much improved team. Or ya know- keep singing curses over ur squad

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          That’s a huge over valuation of addell. Cleveland can do better and they will. Lindor is not going to the angels for jo Alone. They definitely won’t eat any money either. Not to be rude but I do mean this in the nicest way possible….. you are dreaming my friend.

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          Cleveland will not do better than Adell and the Angels would never go for it.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          You are out of your mind if you think you get Lindor for addell straight up. That’s just crazy.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          I fully understand it’s one year vs 5-6 of addell. I also understand and that it was only a 60 game season and that’s not enough to show your talents. But I’m not high on jo. You guys over value your prospects as much as Giants fans

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Really hard to do worse than negative 1.6 war on 60 games. Especially considering he did not play all 60. Even that bum pujols that you guys love to bash didn’t manage that. Smh

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          You are out of your mind if you don’t think Cleveland would jump at that deal.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          I’m happily out of my mind then lol.

          Bro he played 38 games, let me correct that. Not even close to the 60 I gave him credit for. During that span dude managed a minus 1.6 war and not even league average defense. To accomplish that bad of a run in that time frame you have to be Chris Davis bad. That’s hard to do.

          You don’t trade the best SS in the game for one prospect. You do it for 2 or 3 kids who might pan out. I know it’s a down year and you won’t bring as much as usual. I get it my friend. Adell by all means could still be a great player but he was historically bad in his debut. I understand it’s just 38 games but you are severely over valuing the guy. He didn’t hit well field well or run the bases well. What did he show you that makes you think he’s worth Lindor? A prospect ranking that falls every season he’s been around? What leverage does LA have with that poor of a performance? I’m not trying to be mean to you but if you are going to argue your point you need to bring something to the table besides “your outta your mind”.

          I heard that punch line twice now. So bring some facts or you are dismissed like your teams chances of making the playoffs every year. Your boy is going golfing again this fall my guy. Watch

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          You are out of your mind. What did Trout do his first year.

          No GM in the world would trade Adell for 1 year of Lindor. It has come up in several chats and the idea is ludicrous.

          The Indians would jump on it so fast it would make your head spin.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Go back and look at my original post and it wasn’t even aimed at you. It was aimed at bot who said “have Indians eat a big chunk of salary for getting adell”. That’s not happening. So even if u got him straight up(just my opinion they won’t) the Indians are not gonna say hey take the best SS in the game and we’ll pay millionS of frankies salary and We will take one prospect off your hands. Cleveland would do it to unload all the money.

          Prospects are……. just that. Prospects.

          I just got upset because it’s obvious anytime you say anything remotely critical of the angels ppl get all worked up. Get over it. I know your boy is the best in the game and he does deserve to play meaningful ball. However, It’s not crazy to ask for more than one prospect and not have to eat a chunk of the best SS in the games salary just cause everyone wants mike to win. I just wish his fans were a bit more realistic.

          With that said I do apologize if it got personal or I went over the top. I sincerely do. So I hope in the future we can have a more positive conversation and that’s no fault of your own.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Agree trout didn’t do much but his defense and base running was much better. And he put up -.5 war not -1.5. Again not trying to get under your skin I extended an apology for the sake of being courteous and decent.

          However my heads not gonna be spinning. I gave several examples and stats/ facts about why he is over valued and you still have not brought anything to the table to show me why he’s so valuable. That’s all I’m asking of you. No offense you haven’t showed me. What makes jo (1 prospect) worth a trade for Frankie? We can just agree to disagree

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Again dude I’m gonna be as nice here as I can be. I’m realllllly trying to not burn you. I went above and beyond to help you out. But if all your gonna say is “your outta your mind” than you have lost the discussion badly. That’s at least three times that you have said that and that’s all you have. You still haven’t told me why jo adell is so great. Because you can’t. I get it your a homer(not a shot we all are). He’s just a prospect. He’s done nothing. He’s lost stock. His rankings fall every year. He was once considered one of if not the top prospect in all of baseball. Your reading comprehension skills are very poor as I have even said it was only one year. Maybe you didn’t catch that part lol.

          NO GM would do the trade straight up (imo) and they definitely won’t eat some of frankies money on top of it and that’s what my original post pertains to. Not even about you. It was about BOT and you got ALL bent outta shape.

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          The Indians wont eat a nickel.

          Prospects are suspects but there is no way the Angels would make that deal. I’m not even saying the Indians would win the deal, but teams typically don’t trade the #2 Prospect in baseball (Baseball Prospectus)

          If the Indians and Angels make a deal, Brandon Marsh would be the centerpiece.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Now your talking my guy. I like it and to your defense typically nobody trades the number 2 guy. However typically nobody trades the best SS either. I’m sure both have been done before but there isn’t much precedent. So it’s hard to gauge.

          Only thing I disagree on is The valuation of marsh and I don’t totally disagree or think you have a poor argument, you got a good one. But It’s hard for me to see how you could say I can’t put stock in a short season when that’s what you are pretty much doing with marsh. I get it the kid balled but if any young kid can be an outlier in a short season(or any season and any player) why should Cleveland think he’s not a fluke? It works both ways is all I’m saying. Get my drift?

          I agree In a non adell deal b marsh might be included in a multiple player deal and it would take more than just him. That’s completely realistic. Good post.

          That’s all I’m asking dude, this can work. I don’t always gotta be off my rocker crazy 😉

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        • Halo11Fan

          5 years ago

          I’m not even talking about how good these guys are going to be.

          I’m just saying that the Angels are not going to trade Adell. He has a lot of swing and miss in his game but he also has a tremendous amount of talent.

          GMs get fired for trading these types of players for a one year rental, no matter how good that Rental is.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          All good points. I was never one to say they definitely were trading him. Again, my initial post was in response to another posters suggestion about the scenario. Which we just aren’t gonna 100 percent agree on. That is all. I’m sure he does have a ton of talent.

          My only point on your previous posts about marsh was that you valued him highly as well. I get it he’s a top prospect in your system. Maybe top 2 or 3 for all I know. I just don’t know. I will readily admit that. I just didn’t understand how you would make him as the centerpiece for Frankie. That alone would indicate you put a lot of stock into his small sample size. Which is the exact thing that you took issue with, that I did with adell. I made a judgement on a small sample and you took issue with that, which was fine. So I took issue with you evaluating marsh’s small sample size. The same exact thing. So it either works both ways or it doesn’t. Kind of hard to say your allowed to put stock in a guy for the shortened season but I can’t do the same. That’s all I was pointing out.

          I know guys get fired for that, guys also get fired for not making the playoffs with that much talent. I feel like if you guys went over the tax for two decent pitchers, BP help, and traded for Frankie than you would be in the playoffs.

          Your guys can put a package together for Frankie and not give up your guy. But if you wanted to make the playoffs you will have to move young talent. Arte has proven he can’t buy his way there.

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Again I know small sample size but for being a so called five tool player I did not see it yet. The bat and defense left way too much to be desired. Mike was a freak in the field as a young player right out of the gate. Jo should be tearing the field up at his age In ANY sample size. Usually young players regress as they age on defense. Rarely do outfielders get older and make progress. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen. I’m no pro scout. Lol. However, I can watch and tell you who the best player on the field is(minus trout cause he’s on his own level right now) and in my judgment adell is not that guy. Maybe he will be one day.

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      • jimij

        5 years ago

        I guess no Bauer signing

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    • angelsfan4life

      5 years ago

      Sign Brad Hand 4 years for 46 million. That’s 11.5 million per season. Sign May to a 4 years for 26 million. That’s 6.5 per season. You lock up the 8th and 9th innings. Bring back Richards on a 2 year deal for 14 million. Trade for a catcher. Have a starting rotation of
      Bundy
      Richards
      Heaney
      Canning
      Barria.
      No it’s not a dominant starting rotation. But it’s better than what we had this season. With May and Hand making it a deeper bullpen, those moves will help make the Angels better. Bauer is the only starting pitcher who is better than what the Angels currently have. And that isn’t realistic. With Houston losing key players, same with the A’s, the Angels need to focus on just winning the division. Then next year going after better starting pitching, when you have more top of the rotation pitchers available.

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      • vtadave

        5 years ago

        If they were going to pay Hand $11 million per, why didn’t they just claim him on waivers?

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      • jonbluvin

        5 years ago

        Hand is not getting $46 million.

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        • Col_chestbridge

          5 years ago

          Hand’s down velocity is enough of a concern that nobody claimed him. He’ll probably get a 1 or 3 year contract to try to prove himself, but he’s not getting mega reliever money in this market.

          Although, it depends a bit on the playoff format going forward. If we go back to the system of off days we had prior to 2020, with an expanded field, good relievers are going to be in huge demand eventually. If every decent team can get in, and relievers can have an outsized impact due to off days (a la Miller and Allen for the Indians in 2016), relievers are going to become highly sought after.

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    • cookmeister 2

      5 years ago

      did Arte say they only had 25 mil? That’s purely a projection based on past numbers.

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    • UnknownPoster

      5 years ago

      It says “payroll will not go down”

      So you start complaining assuming that means it can’t rise?

      He’s one of the few owners who are going to spend anything and you still complain

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  3. Scotty2hotty

    5 years ago

    If $25m is the limit Minasian might have to get creative in deferring salaries if he is to fill roster needs, Otherwise allocate 15-20m to rotation upgrades and the remainder in the bullpen.

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  4. vtadave

    5 years ago

    $25 million to spend with questions at catcher, shortstop (or second if Fletcher slides over), the OF, rotation, and bullpen. New guy is going to have to get creative..

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    • Rbase

      5 years ago

      I think the outfield will be left as is. There are so many other holes to fill that you have to hope Upton, Adell and Marsch (And maybe Ward) can provide enough offense.

      Maybe a guy like Kike Hernandez, who could play 2b and fill in in LF when Rengifo plays 2b is a good option. But the priority should be on pitching.

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      • Halo11Fan

        5 years ago

        Because of Injury, you can throw out Upton’s 2019.

        Sure Upton took a long time to get going, but the last month of the year he was one of the best hitters in baseball. I don’t think he’s done.

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        • angelsfan4life

          5 years ago

          They will go in house for second base. Jam Jones will probably get a long at second.

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        • Tim Stewart

          5 years ago

          I agree. Not that I am a real big fan of Upton, (when he is off he is a really bad ) But his whole career he has been consistently good from season to season and very streaky hot and cold during each. He is getting older but if given a full healthy season he should end up with at least better numbers. That is who he has been.

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      • Troutgolfsinoctober

        5 years ago

        I like kike too, that’s a very good idea actually. Versatile player who can be had for a decent price. I like it

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        • Troutgolfsinoctober

          5 years ago

          Tim, Why is my comment being moderated? I used Ki- ke Hernandez…. by first name in relation to someone offering up him to be on LAA. I wasn’t being anti Semitic. I’m not being a smart Alec or trying to cause any issues. Don’t you think it’s getting to be a bit much on all the censoring? Honestly respect what you do but it’s a bit overblown sometimes. Not being critical just pointing out there was no Bad intentions.

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  5. madmanTX

    5 years ago

    Payroll not going down, but their win loss record will be.

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    • Loling @ you

      5 years ago

      Nah, they aren’t the rangers. If John Daniels was at the helm I’d be concerned.

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  6. davemlaw

    5 years ago

    THIS, is what you want to hear from the owner of your favorite team.

    I can’t imagine what it would be like if I were a Cubs fan and the owner’s are crying poor. Embarrassing. You can’t live in 2016 forever.

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    • i like al conin

      5 years ago

      Totally agree.

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  7. mlarr64

    5 years ago

    Cots Baseball had them at $193,879,131 last year. Not sure where this writer got his info.

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    • Bart

      5 years ago

      Could it be that Cots is wrong?

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    • 5toolMVP

      5 years ago

      $179.5m was probably the same source as here…

      “According to Roster Resource, the Angels have a projected payroll of just over $158.75MM in 2021.”

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  8. baseballpun

    5 years ago

    I think it’d be better to save money on the field than by furloughing and laying off employees, honestly.

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  9. sdfriarfan

    5 years ago

    Why do alot of fans bad mouth Moreno? The guy is clearly trying to win. He or his GM may not have made a lot of good choices over the years but he certainly is trying.. Angels fans sure seem ungrateful.

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    • chalk73

      5 years ago

      As an Angels fan for over 45 years I have often wondered the same thing. We have had three owners and have had plenty of losing seasons. One of our owners was a large corporation and the other two baseball fans that probably have made decisions based on their fandom. Anybody remember Reggie Jackson? As a fan I was excited to have Reggie playing for the California Angels while eating a Reggie bar at the big A. I would never have those fond memories if Autry wasn’t a fan. Keep loving baseball Arte, you are helping make memories for fans of all ages.

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    • Rocket32

      5 years ago

      sdfriarfan Fans do like owners who care about their team’s performance and who are willing spend to help their team be successful, but that only gets you so far. If winning usually never follows the big spending, you’re gonna lose fan support over time no matter how much you spend.

      Continuing to try is great, but eventually fans want to see it actually work and lead to success.

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    • Sealbeach Comber

      5 years ago

      “Angels fans sure seem ungrateful.” lol….good one!

      Angels fans consistently break 3 million in attendance. What does Moreno do?:

      1) Changes team name to LA Angels of Anahiem…..what a joke and insult to the super supportive OC fans.
      2) Constantly threatened to move team out of Anaheim.
      3) Just forced a land and stadium deal on the city that is so team friendly he should have to buy the city dinner.
      4) Makes big PR signings (to get TV contracts) while penny pinching on things like rounding out the roster and keeping the scouting staff together.
      5) Has turned the team into the Clippers-of-baseball….a big market team that hasn’t won playoff game in over a decade.

      And you think Angels fans are ungrateful? This team has become an embarrassing mess in spite of some of the best fan support in baseball. And I don’t think it’s going to change for the better until Moreno is gone. And he’s increased his net worth by billions…so he has no incentive to be gone.

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      • Bart

        5 years ago

        Hi there troll.

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        • Sealbeach Comber

          5 years ago

          So, you don’t like my take on things. And you can’t really counter any of the facts given. So you call me a troll? Got it.

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      • i like al conin

        5 years ago

        I don’t find this to be from a troll but I respectfully disagree:

        1. Ugh, not this again. It was a business decision 10 years ago, get over it.
        2. Business decision to gain leverage on stadium negotiations.
        3. He didn’t force the city to do anything. The city made their own decision. In fact, they rebuffed him for several years.
        4. Penny pinching with a top 10 payroll?
        5. He’s trying.

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        • Sealbeach Comber

          5 years ago

          Conin…

          1. Saying you don’t like hearing something is not really a very persuasive argument.
          2. Yep, he repaid the community for their loyalty by showing none himself,
          3. Honestly, I think the city should have let him take the team elsewhere before giving in to his threats and disloyalty to the community.. This is a big market with a passionate baseball fanbase. Moreno needs us more than we need him.
          4. Yes, penny pinching. He’ll spend on big PR moves…then get super rigid and cheap on everything else. Maybe that’s good for his wallet. But it’s been terrible for the team.
          5) What he’s “trying” to do is increase his net wealth. That has worked really well for him. He’s leveraged our communities’ love for our team into billions for his bank account….while turning the Angels into the Clippers-of-baseball.

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  10. halos2017

    5 years ago

    I watched the press conference. As far as budgets go Arte only committed that payroll would not be going down which means it could stay or could be increased. 25 million is the floor if he keeps it the same. If he increases that hasn’t been ruled out. New GM so increase could occur especially in a market where increase might not need to be major due to current situation where majority of teams will be cutting. At least they are not cutting like probably majority of teams. Half full people.

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    • chalk73

      5 years ago

      ^this. I was thinking the same thing.

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  11. Evan Siggson

    5 years ago

    That number could go up 10 million just by non tendering Robles, middleton, etc. Arte making a declaration of stepping on the gas is the story more than the 25 million number that would be the floor not the ceiling

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    • Vizionaire

      5 years ago

      though he seems to have an aversion to go over the threshold. i hope he realises this is his best chance to win if he spends money(wisely).

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  12. DGHalos714

    5 years ago

    As a Halo fan, I am just really ready to see us get some GOOD pitching. Like a number 2 or 3 on other teams would be a no 1 for us. I really think if we don’t get at least 2 or 3 starters then we will be sitting where we have been and watching the Dodgers in the playoffs like usual… It is time to really build a winner around Trout. It shouldn’t be too hard especially with other teams in our division losing some good players and if they keep the extra wild card. Let’s see how Arte and our new GM pull some strings and make some deals

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    • i like al conin

      5 years ago

      They need SPs but really need elite back-end RPs. 14 blown saves last year cost Eppler his job. The 2015 Royals and 2002 Angels should be models this year.

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  13. Excel_1984

    5 years ago

    With the dumpster diving pitching staffs theyve been putting out year after year, why change now?

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  14. Bart

    5 years ago

    Probably not a popular opinion but this is the perfect time to trade Trout for a boatload of talent. He is likely to start to decline. The Mets have a new administration..maybe they will give up way too much for him.

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    • Troutgolfsinoctober

      5 years ago

      Bart…. you can’t say that, these people will come to your home and raze it to the ground and poison your dog.

      You can’t even say anything less than mike is the greatest ever or else the mob will pile on you dude. You better watch it. I’m telling you man lol.

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    • GeoKaplan

      5 years ago

      No
      Trade
      Clause.

      He signed because he wants to stay in SoCal. If he wanted to play on the East Coast (or anywhere else), he wouldn’t have signed his extension and he’d be a free agent right now.

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  15. Tim Stewart

    5 years ago

    No, but I think you would not get same value back and I think he has a no trade contract.

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  16. Tim Stewart

    5 years ago

    I can’t believe no one has said anything about the articles statements about other needs. He says they could fill holes potentially in the infield at first base or catcher but mostly Pitching. What the Angels need least is a first baseman. Maybe a DH?

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    • GeoKaplan

      5 years ago

      Expect Walsh to platoon at 1B with Pujols. Walsh earned that consideration with his 2020 season.

      Expect Upton to take reps at 1B for 2022, with I’m at DH/1B his final season.

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  17. IjustloveBaseball

    5 years ago

    As of now, the Angels will need to choose one spot to spend “light” in order to fill their vacancies. Given LAA should have a strong offense, especially if Upton turns it back up, maybe shortstop should be where they address with a lower-tier option. Possibly Freddy Galvis? Solid defender and won’t cost much. Bringing in a guy like that would likely leave enough left over to sign a decent starter and reliever.
    The tricky one is catcher — LAA needs one for sure, but aside from Realmuto and McCann, there’s not a ton of impact options out there.

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    • Troutgolfsinoctober

      5 years ago

      Agree with your post. I like Galvis too. Only thing I’m critical of is when you said the word Upton….. that’s a big IF. He’s a decent player when healthy though and you would think he’s gonna be healthy eventually. He just hasn’t stayed healthy and until he turns it around I’m not high on him but I also couldn’t spend to replace him with the money he’s due.

      Biggest problem will still be SP. IMHO they over performed last season and need at least two solid arms for starters and in the pen. I am from Baltimore and we seen this play out before on our squad (2012-2015 won more games than anyone in MLB even though nobody remembers). We had a great offense too and bad SP but we had a much better pen at the time than LAA. Pen help could be cheap this year though. So like Lloyd Christmas says “so you’re telling me there’s a chance” lol.

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  18. SufferingInSaltLake

    5 years ago

    If the Angels have learned nothing else over the past 5 years of losing, I have to hope they’re now convinced of the old saw that pitching wins pennants. Spend the extra money in a depressed market to stock up on quality starting pitching. With Albert coming rolling off the payroll soon, you’ll be able to squeeze back under the limit. Paying the tax now is short-term pain for long-term gain.

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  19. dirkg

    5 years ago

    Every dime should be spent on pitching. Leave OF, put Rengifo at 2B, Fletch at SS, Max at C (Bemboom until Max is healthy), Walsh at 1B, Shohei and Albert platoon at DH (R/L). Theres enough offense.

    Bauer is a must after losing out on Cole. Then perhaps an Odorizzi type. Bauer, Bundy, Shohei?, Odorizzi, Canning, Heaney with a solid backend led by Hand (not sure if theres enough $$ to get Hand). A true closer to take pressure off Mayers, Buttrey, etc.

    Spend $$$ now on pitching and let Minasian build up the system for the post-Trout era.

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    • Troutgolfsinoctober

      5 years ago

      @ dirk. Good post. I’m not high on rengifo but I’ll admit maybe it’s too early to give up on him. Can’t spend at every spot and fill your needs, I get it.

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