1:48PM: In a press conference this afternoon, Epstein told MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian and other reporters that he “won’t be paid in 2021, which is appropriate and the right thing.” The salary was not a “primary” factor in his decision to resign but it was “part of the equation.” As per the reported terms of Epstein’s last contract extension, he was set to make roughly $10MM in 2021.
11:04AM: Theo Epstein has stepped down as the Cubs’ president of baseball operations, as per a team announcement. The move is effective as of November 20. General manager Jed Hoyer will step into Epstein’s role.
Epstein issued the following statement:
“For the rest of my life, I will cherish having been part of the great Chicago Cubs organization during this historic period. All of the things that have made this experience so special — the fans, the players, the managers and coaches, ownership, my front office colleagues, the uniqueness of the Wrigley experience, the history — make it so tough to leave the Cubs. But I believe this is the right decision for me even if it’s a difficult one. And now is the right time rather than a year from now. The organization faces a number of decisions this winter that carry long-term consequences; those types of decisions are best made by someone who will be here for a long period rather than just one more year. Jed has earned this opportunity and is absolutely the right person to take over this baseball operation at such an important time.”
“I am grateful to everyone with the Cubs: to the Ricketts family for this opportunity as well as for their loyalty; to the fans for their support and the depth of their emotional connection with the team; and to the players, coaches, staff and my front office colleagues for their friendship, excellence and dedication to helping us accomplish our initial goals of regular October baseball and a World Championship.”
There was widespread speculation that Epstein would leave the organization after the 2021 season, when his contract was up. (Epstein himself is on record as saying that remaining in one job for too long a period isn’t necessarily beneficial to either the employee or the team.) Today’s news jumpstarts that timeline and removes any lingering “lame duck” feeling over the Cubs’ decision-making process this offseason and throughout 2021.
Of course, the next round of speculation immediately turned towards whether or not Epstein could be turning towards another challenge — namely the open president of baseball ops positions with the Mets or Phillies. According to MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, however, Epstein will not be immediately taking another job and will instead take 2021 off. Epstein confirmed the same in a letter to friends, ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reports, saying that “Next summer will be my first in 30 years not clocking into work every day at a major league ballpark.…I do plan on having a third chapter leading a baseball organization someday, though I do not expect it to be next year.” Despite Epstein’s declaration, 670 The Score’s Bruce Levine tweets that the Phillies are still planning to “aggressively” pursue Epstein’s services.
Since joining the Cubs in October 2011, Epstein oversaw an extensive, multi-year rebuilding process that delivered the most sustained run of success at Wrigley Field in over a century. Over the last six seasons, the Cubs have captured three NL Central titles, reached the postseason five times, and finally ended their World Series drought by capturing the championship in 2016.
Over nine seasons in Chicago and nine seasons as the Red Sox general manager, Epstein has long since booked his ticket into Cooperstown, with three World Series titles (and two broken curses) on his resume. Epstein is still over a month away from his 47th birthday, so there is plenty of time for him to add further chapters to his already legendary career. As The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Jayson Stark wrote in a piece this morning, that next step could be a CEO role with a team rather than working as a president of baseball operations, perhaps looking “to form an ownership group with like-minded people and/or longtime associates, then attempt to purchase a club.”
Hoyer’s contract was also rumored to be up after the 2021 season, but he and the Cubs are putting the finishing touches on an extension, The Athletic’s Sahadev Sharma reports. Hoyer has been one of Epstein’s chief lieutenants for a total of 17 seasons in both Boston and Chicago, and he also has past experience running a baseball ops department when he was the Padres’ general manager in 2010-11.
With the baton officially passed, Hoyer will now be in charge of what could be a transformative offseason in Wrigleyville. As successful as the Cubs have been under Epstein, there is also some sense of underachievement, as the team hasn’t won a playoff series since 2017. The core group of the 2016 championship team has gotten older, more expensive through arbitration and, in some cases, less effective on the field.
The Cubs now seem open to trading from this veteran core in order to both save payroll space in the wake of pandemic-lowered revenues and to perhaps spark something of a rebuild on the fly. In the press release, both Hoyer and team chairman Tom Ricketts used the phrase “sustained success” to describe the Cubs’ next phase, and while this offseason’s moves will ultimately tell the tale, there isn’t yet any indication that the Cubs aren’t planning to contend in 2021.
DarkSide830
oh wow
Francys01
The Phillies might be interested in Theo now.. I consider that he is a smart guy.
jkim319
He will take on a challenge in a different sport … football? Basketball??
dugmet
Worked for paul depodesta. oh wait!
tribepride17
It has worked. The browns are 6-3 and Stefanski is the best young coach in the league. He’s found a way to win games with below average QB all season. Depodesta pushed for the Stefanski hire before the Kitchens debacle.
Bartis
No way
User 4245925809
Epstein can trade, draft, develop and has been particularly good with surrounding himself with young, smart people. Philly? They have enough bad FA deals as it is of late, something Epstein is terrible at. NYM? I believe him going there would be bad, he’s had a knack for signing the worst guys imaginable via FA, it’s everything else he does/did as a GM that’s exceptional.
purplewidow
Develop? Definitely not starting pitching.. Theo buys/trades for Starters. Depleting the farm and over paying in the process then the team is toast.. No sustainability. He can give you the few chances that way to win but your farm will be toast. Look at the cubs it’s pathetic. They didn’t develop one starting pitcher during his time as a cub. Now the farm is in horrible shape nothing to buy on the open market to fix the gaping holes.. He got em the WS though.. now it’s back to the old cub ways.. they stink.
leprechaun
Well said Theo leaves severe damage behind him whenever he leaves. He’s more of a Media darling
Erik
I take you haven’t looked at the Cubs Farm system. They have a few upcoming pitchers there. Alot? No. But they didn’t completely wreck the farm system as much as people think. Most of the farm already made it to the Majors. I don’t see the cubs as bad off as they were before the 2016 team came along. We’re talking about prospects here so anything can happen. The Cubs may tank for awhile but I think they’ll be back sooner than everyone is giving them credit for.
chitown311
Theo’s League.
Dogbone
Jeds now’the man’. Time to show he’s up to the challenge. I personally would have liked to see him go, as well. They need new direction, with new eyes – I sure don’t think that Jed is that person.
Hosmer for HOF
Jed is not the man. His short term experience with the padres led to the one worthwhile move for the Cubs.. He sold off Adrian Gonzalez and everything of value, got Rizzo for AGon, then moved to the Cubs and TRADES Rizzo for Andrew Cashner/Trashner straight up one for one after like a year with the Pads.. Cashner was an average relief pitcher with some potential and Rizzo was a huge piece of the Red Sox getting a 40HR/multi-gold glove AGon out of it.
But I’ll let the next decade of Cubs decline speak for that scumbag! Let him sell Baez somewhere in a few years for cheap and see if he runs that team too.
Hosmer for HOF
mlbtradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Jed_Hoye…
Here’s a link to every trade Jed Hoyer’s ever made guys (and any girls out there).. lucking out on Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop in a trade 7 years ago is all this guy is worth.
ABCD
I think Rizzo and Hendricks worked out pretty well, too.
Sheep8
Must be a Sox fan who is upset this takes the spotlight off the LaRusa hiring
Getz
The only total clunker was sending away DJ. LaM. A number of the smaller ones added players that were good for a spell: Travis Wood, LaStella, Carl’s Jr.., & Grimm,
RunDMC
DJ – First guy to become a better hitter outside of Coors Field?
“yeah…but look at those splits….” lol
Android Dawesome
I think the original poster meant that Jed is in charge, no? Dont know how you could read that comment and think that they meant it in a positive light.
bucketbrew35
Scumbag? That’s a bit much don’t you think?
Al Hirschen
Mets
Tim_Buck-Two
The number 9
The number 9
The number 9
The number 9
The number 9
The man the myth the legend
Where will he end up next for 9 more
Or is this it?
ChiSox_Fan
YAY!
“Fair weather” President.
Let the rebuild begin!
antsmith7
Blow it up
HEFFERNAN
M-E-T-S ???????
j_butte
Makes sense to me
Oooof
If he can bring the Mets a championship after doing it for the Red Sox and the Cubs, they should put him in the hall of fame immediately.
Troutgolfsinoctober
By that logic I hope he goes to Cleveland and breaks the curse there too lol. But I’d like to see him anywhere that’s willing to spend. Don’t know why him and Dave d get so much flak.
wordonthestreet
He is already going into the hall of fame
dugdog83
HOF for sure
Oooof
Oh I know. The key word was *immediately*.
Old User Name
Theo isn’t going to want to play second fiddle to Alderson.
larry48
dodgers !!!!!
SheaGoodbye
It’s like no one read the article smh.
portopotti
Mets announcement coming shortly.
keysox
Steve Cohen on line 1
yukongold
Gorilla suit season already?
bobtillman
LMAO…well done…
twins&mlbfan4ever
ok
baseballallyearclub13
He realized the team needed to be blown up and it was best if it wasn’t by someone that would be gone after the year. I can respect the move. It definitely looks like the Cubs will be selling a lot.
marinersblue96
Totally agree, if your not planning on being there long term. Best to leave and let someone with a longterm vision take over
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed. His tenure reminds me of DD in Boston. Accomplished the primary goal of bringing a championship to Chicago but is leaving with the team in a fiscal mess.
dpsmith22
DD just left O’s in a mess also. At least you got the championship. We got 7 years of Chris Davis, no championship and a bunch of bad drafts.
S_man_2014
DD = Dave Dombrowski not Dan Duquette! Duquette never won a championship in Boston. Can’t blame Duquette for Chris Davis though. That was a Peter Angelos signing.
doublee919
Maybe if he does put together an ownership bid he’ll buy the orioles.
ABCD
Only Heyward’s contract can be considered an albatross and at least he’s not bad.
If the team is in a fiscal mess, blame it on the Wrigley Field rehab cost overruns.
adkuchan
I don’t think the Cubs are in a “fiscal mess.”
They have a lot of major decisions to make, but save for Kimbrell and Heyward, they don’t have a lot of bloated long term contracts. Darkish and Hendricks are pretty much in line with what their market value would be.
baseballallyearclub13
Darvish is significantly under market value. Darvish would be a top 5ish value guy based on the last year and a half, which is 34+, he will be 21+ and then below 20 the next 2 years.
User 4245925809
That’s because they allowed the stadium to get to the point of crumbling down before starting on it. Whose fault was that is what I want to know. Why were there safety nets under the upper sections catching falling stones/pieces of rock for several years?
looiebelongsinthehall
You’re in a fiscal mess when you can’t make that next move because your budget is already bloated and ready to burst. The Cubs can afford to outspend most teams but will they? A trade of Bryant might bring back controllable talent and all the team to spend that money in other areas.
looiebelongsinthehall
Nice comment John. I was unaware of Wrigley’s condition.
ABCD
That was a dozen years ago when the Trib owned them.
solaris602
It’s definitely a win-win for Epstein and the Cubs for this to happen now. We all remember watching the fiasco in Philadelphia when Ruben Amaro was tasked with tearing down the team he’d (mostly) built. That situation alone delayed their rebuild by several years.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The team doesn’t need to be blown up at all. They need to trade 2 players. Its stupid to blow it up now. There’s no reason to blow it up. They still have a good team.
baseballallyearclub13
The Cubs are a mix of players that are good regular season players and have done a decent job of their stats looking better than their production. Most of them could be replaced with very similar production.
Georgiajeff
I don’t see any reason for a total blow up. Trade or 1 or 2 of the core, restock the farm system, maybe even get an everyday player/ pitcher. We do have help on the way in the minors but its a little ways off. Overall you have to give Theo high marks. We won a world series and that can’t be taken from us.
Bochys Retirement Fund
*Trades away all key places during WS run* Annnnddd that’s a rap for me, good luck Chicago!
brandons-3
The New York Mets are on line one. The Phillies are on line two.
(Probably some contractual language saying he can’t take another GM job this year, so we’ll see though.)
deweybelongsinthehall
He won’t take a GM job. my guess is he’ll take time off and then takeover for Alderson in two years.
DarkSide830
if another team offers a PoBO job now he’s not waiting.
chitown311
Theo is jumping on a lifeboat before the Titanic sinks!!!
PiratesFan1981
Theo back to Boston lol
Michael Macaulay-Birks
One can dream
ottoc 2
Yeah, trade Bloom to the Cubs then sign Epstein as a free agent.
whosyourmomma
Cowardly, leaving a mess behind. He did that in Boston too though so not surprised. Cute that its effective 11/20 so he can get one last paycheck apparently, Lol!
robluca21
Lol that’s funny I thought I was the only one that noticed that
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Nobody knows how to run out of a burning building like good ole Theo.
RunDMC
Or fart as you’re leaving an elevator.
CKinSTL
He did the impossible and brought a WS Championship to the North Side of Chicago. He built a team that had 6 consecutive winning seasons, 5 playoff appearances and a WS Championship. Those are the exact results he was hired to produce. If the Cubs organization and fans could re-do this hire, they absolutely would. They are at the end of a cycle and he is handing over the reigns.
As for the advanced notice.. isn’t that just common courtesy for all jobs?
whosyourmomma
0 playoff wins since 2017! Everyone and anyone who follows baseball expected more from that team and with that payroll.
rondon
What he accomplished was real and meaningful to that city and all of baseball. After the fact whining from other team homers is just sad.
johnnydubz
I suppose going for 102 years without a championship and 112 years would be better? He should take over for Cleveland or Mets
adkuchan
Didn’t they just win the division? What a disaster…
Troutgolfsinoctober
Dude he knows they need to rebuild soon. You cannot re sign all them players. Without bringing back the same team and some pitching and BP help you won’t repeat the same success. And that’s unrealistic. Doesn’t matter if they did well last season they don’t have the money to stay competitive in the situation they are in.
He also knows he’s gone after next year so why would he blow it up for someone else? Seems like the right thing to do. He lets them know the harsh reality of their situation, which is in a year you will have to rebuild. But if you wanna tie your hands with long term money, I won’t be the guy you blame….. that’s probably what he’s thinking. I think it’s a classy move and shows he’s not about making every dollar he can, and he’s not gonna take blame for signings ownership wants that doesn’t make them any better than they currently are.
Rangers29
Phillies or Mets? This is just shocking, but is it gonna be Phillies or Mets?
bucketbrew35
I’m fine with him going to the Mets if that means the Phillies get Neander.
LordD99
Seemed odd he was staying on with the Cubs this year and making decisions that could impact the Cubs long term when it was known he wasn’t returning after 2021. If Hoyer was going to take over after 2021, he should be making all the decisions now, not Theo.
This does open up the possibility Epstein’s next move is to the Mets.
mpzz
Well, you could say that about any year he decided to resign. Your comment makes no sense.
natsgm
So what team does he want to break a streak for now? Cleveland the longest drought?
LordD99
He’s only worked with teams that had a lot money. Not sure Cleveland will be his thing.
AngelDiceClay
That would be Seattle
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
Welcome to the Tigers, Mr. Epstein.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
That would make way too much sense
dugdog83
Way too many better opportunities than the Tigers, and I’m a fan. He will want a bigger market that’s more win now.
sergefunction
Only Alternate Universe Chris Ilitch will pony up for Theo Epstein, since he already has The Late Al Avila under a long term contract in our world.
ChiSoxCity
Blow it up!
jdgoat
Steve Cohen likes this
Ancient Pistol
Someone’s looking for a new job. I guess he can’t sign with a new team till after his contract expiries? But I could be wrong.
Sliderdownandin
Love to see what he can do in a small-mid market. Probably not much.
goodlirdudumb
He’s just jumping ship so he’s not held responsible for the blow up. Smart guy….
mike127
And Rick Hahn has just called Jed about the GM spot with the Cubs.
Judge_Smails45
Did the Angels make a decision yet?
Vizionaire
Angels POBO. Perfect fit at the right time.
CKinSTL
I thought Arte Moreno was the POBO for the Angels..
bucknerkingmansutter
Hoyer already named team President. This means GM slot is open. Perfect time to go get Rick Hahn since he’s not allowed to do his job with that other team in town.
Aaron Sapoznik
Some White Sox fans wouldn’t mind Kenny Williams accompanying Rick Hahn to the northside of town. Then Theo could replace both of them on the southside. JR might appreciate a BOGO bargain!
TradeRumorUser
Uh ohhh here comes all the Mets fans creaming their pants
goodlirdudumb
Mets have Alderson don’t they? With 3 rings Theo isn’t taking anything but a #1 in control job.
DarkSide830
according to Mets fans he’d probably take a job as batboy to work under the amazing Cohen.
VonPurpleHayes
Haha. It’s amazing how much the fanbase has embraced Cohen already.
Deleted Userrr
That’s what happens when you take over for the Wilpons
TradeRumorUser
yeah I don’t get it I thought Sandy was president but they are looking for one im not sure what they are doing
jhanley108
Cub fan over 50 yrs-Back to where Ricketts started but they’ve milked a WS to keep the sheep thru the turnstiles. Just keep playing to the base that likes the “celebrity “ 7th inning stretch and stale same old marketing.Epstein leaves a crap farm system that has never produced pitching and he held onto over rated roster for too long. This is not what was pitched to the fans about sustained winning, even when they limped into the playoffs they were not competitive except ‘16. Ricketts will never be able to change the culture because most Cub fans are afraid of change and getting rid of popular underachieving players.I suspect ownership doesn’t care as long as the $ comes in. So disappointed.
mike127
Hanley—Cub fan for over 50 years and you don’t even realize what you have staring right in front of you for the past ten years…….this team HAS contended for the the last six seasons—sorry they didn’t win the World Series six times. If you’ve been a fan for 50 years you saw the playoffs in 84, 89, 98, 03, 07, 08……that’s it.
Here’s the problem with Cubs fans—in 2023 or 2024 when they are the Giants or the Royals or the Phillies of now—you will look and wonder why the heck was i so mad when we were good……we stink now.
This time has provided the best six-seven year stretch in franchise history and everyone has to find the negative.
Sure it’s disappointing to lose in the playoffs—especially when there is only one that doesn’t—but wait three years and look back and understand all that angst you carried when they were actually good.
jhanley108
Nope, wasn’t looking for WS every year,just playing competitive baseball in the playoffs which they did ONCE but when you hold on to garbage, sign garbage and draft garbage for 3-4 yrs you f up the future. Winning a division shouldn’t be good enough and they never made adjustments with players, just a merry go round of hitting and pitching coaches.
baseballallyearclub13
I wouldn’t say draft garbage. Their first round picks have been pretty productive, they just haven’t drafted depth after round 1.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
They drafted pretty well this year. 2 of their 5 picks have a chance to play for the ML team in 2021. Burl Carraway is the most likely. The other is Luke Little.
madmanTX
Fire sale! Also, apply for the job, Ed Wade.
its_happening
Wade should not be hired for another top job in baseball, ever again.
HEFFERNAN
Twitter
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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Source: Theo Epstein intends to take the upcoming season off. He’s not resigning in order to pursue a position with the Mets or Phillies. @MLBNetwork @MLB
VonPurpleHayes
Ahh. There goes that. Thanks for posting.
Prospectnvstr
Taking 2021 off was noted IN THE ARTICLE!!! I know, why read the article when all most people care about is spouting off!
JoeBrady
” though I do not expect it to be next year.””
‘Expected’, not definite.
Appalachian_Outlaw
I didn’t see this one coming now, but it’s a classy move on Theo’s part. They’ve got some assets to flip so let the next guy step in and try to get the players he wants for them that fit his vision.
Aaron Sapoznik
As I argued previously, a lame duck President of Baseball Operations makes no sense for a team on the verge of “blowing” up their roster.
Rsox
Epstein doesn’t want to be part of the fire sale thats coming
fljay73
Theo has already stated he is taking a vacation & I do not blame him at all
Rsox
His “vacation” was supposed to be after the ’21 season. He moved it up a year for a reason
stretch123
Mets… watch.
AngelDiceClay
Him sign with the Angels
AngelDiceClay
Funny how people in here criticize Epstein. But as soon he becomes availible…….
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
FlAgS fLy FoReVeR…
themed
So one and done. A fluke!
jdgoat
I don’t think owning the Central for half a decade or making however many many consecutive NLCS appearances is considered a fluke. Unless you’re a homer Cardinals loser.
stan lee the manly
They only won the division three the last five years, that’s not exactly “owning” it…
jdgoat
They lost it on the last day of the season in one of those two years, but the point is themed is a troll.
Jose Tattoo-vay
Didn’t the Cardinals make more total NLCS appearances, consecutive NLCS appearances, and win more NL titles this past decade than the Cubs?
themed
Yes the Cards did win more. The Cards have won more Central Division Titles than the rest of the current Central teams put together.
adkuchan
Kind of like whenever you have a good take. A fluke!
themed
This cub team was predicted to be a dynasty. Hmmmmm
Rangers29
JD and him used to be partners in Texas…
OurPadreWhoArtInSD
Theo has never worked for the Rangers or with JD. I believe you’re thinking of AJ Preller-GM of Padres, or Thad Levine- GM of Twins (both were Assistant GM’s under JD).
Rangers29
Brain fart. I was thinking of Thad… not Theo. Ignore what I said lol…
Or maybe I’m a time traveler from 2030 who knows that JD and Theo actually worked together in the past… Nope. Just an idiot lol.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I was kind of surprised that the Cubs didn’t get rid of him.
Mostly because if they weren’t committed to him past this year I figured there’d be a pretty significant…I dunno, conflict of interest?
I kept thinking he’d spend every last penny available to him on free agents, & completely loot the minor league system in order to give it one last shot.
I mean, that’s what I’d’ve done in his place. Why worry about the future, or value, or prospects at that point. Just go for broke, man.
Ya know?
Technically correct
There might have been some checks and balances in place for that. With the lame duckness and all. Also, most competent and responsible adults don’t want to tarnish their legacy or any goodwill they might have had by scorching the earth on their way out.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I’m just not sure what those “checks & balances” would be.
Also, I don’t know about that.
He’s probably pretty self-assured. & all GM’s have a bit of a high stakes gambler in them.
The counterpoint is – obviously – but wouldn’t his legacy have been enhanced if they’d put one last World Series run together?
Maybe that’s “incompetent” or “irresponsible”? I guess I don’t see it that way. His job is to win. He’s not going to be judged on the Cubs farm system ranking, or whatever.
Rangers29
I think we disagree on this front. I think that signing big name players just to get back and win 1 world series is just irresponsible vs making smart moves to give your team about a 2 year rebuild period before everybody is set again for another 5 year run. The reason I say this is because most all big contracts tend to put teams back when signed all at once. Look at the Rangers with Fielder, Odor, Andrus, Choo, Beltre, and Hamels. Not a lot of room to work with. Though if you throw in a big name player to a team that is relatively young, it tends to work out. Like if Springer signed with the Red Sox this winter.
So for the Cubs right now, they need to trade their players before it’s too late. Because a player’s value isn’t just what he did for the team, it’s also how the players he got traded for did for the team. So when I look at the Cubs right now, I see a lot of value.
Ducky Buckin Fent
If we’re talking about what he “should” have probably been doing then I side with you, actually.
Continuous restocking is a good approach to maintaining a competitive squad. That’s what the Indians have been doing for a few years now.
So I get it, man.
I was merely thinking about the situation today, right now. If he knew he wasn’t coming back after this season I think the temptation to use All The Chips would have been overwhelming. And I would see why. There’s no more “long game” in play.
Ya know?
Rangers29
I’d rather him just ride off into the sunset without pushing it all in for one season. Set the Cubs up for some future success without you by making some good quality moves for the future as you get dethroned. The other way is just like Dave Dombroski. Go in, spend all their money, and put a financial burden on them for years to come… with a WS ring. I guess it would be tempting from his POV, but I think for the sake of the Cubs he knew that would be a rather mean idea. I’d rather have the Cubs go back into long sustainable success instead of a one year WS champ and then put a financial burden on the team that causes a long rebuild.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I think this is the best solution.
I’m wondering if what we are discussing actually had any bearing on the situation.
Ya know?
It’s not like they’re a terrible team, or whatever. They could probably just run it back & make the playoffs. It’s going to be pretty interesting to see how they move forward this winter. I see a lot of value on their roster, too. Man, if the Cubs decide to step back this winter that’d be a game changer to the hot stove.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I like your wordplay on bucky dent
Ducky Buckin Fent
Merci.
I’ve been told it’s not very original a couple times?
But, c’mon…say it fast 5 times in a row.
Rangers29
I think he saw that with the lack of a bullpen, and aging starters, this team was slowing down. The Cubs still have a nice core of Rizzo, Contreras, Bryant, and Baez, but it was slowing down and getting older. I would have started trading away those guys for 1 year off prospects like Jung on the Rangers or Deivi Garcia in NY. If he traded away practically the whole core for 1 year off guys like that, you could have a solid team in 2 years or so with some more free agents and well drafted and developed talent.
Technically correct
Hey Ducky and Rangers, I appreciate this respectful conversation with dissenting opinions. Hat tip to both of you.
The checks and balances I brought up was just the idea that there may have been a quiet shift to Hoyer and/or Ricketts behind the scenes because of Theo’s contract status. My boss (a good one) has been slowly giving more of her responsibilities while she transitions to her next role. I’d love to believe more people are doing that kind of positive reinforcement for the better of all involved.
Rangers29 shared my next thought already, where Theo does not want to become the next Dombrowski. He will be the most sought after executive from this moment until whenever he signs somewhere. He’s busted two huge championship droughts, so to Ducky’s point, one Hail Mary with the Cubs is not going to make much difference to his narrative. And the limitations we already know about regarding post-shortened-season rosters are probably not worth becoming the villain for trading away fan favorites or jeopardizing his own next big contract with a bad move. It’s unfortunate that there aren’t more titles, but people will start to be more thankful for 2016 with some space. Enjoy the victory lap Theo.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Every once in awhile, uh?
But yeah. I’d rather have a conversation that increases my understanding of the game than fight.
I’m not – however – always successful with that goal.
Anyway, that may be. I don’t think it’s all that big of a secret that Hoyer was/is/will be his successor.
As an aside, 2020 was really taxing for me. Which certainly doesn’t make me unique, uh?
I’m putting some things in place to take a step back. What your boss is doing is definitely a play I’m running, as well.
I get not wanting to be the next Dumbrowski, or whatever. I just think it’d be a helluva big temptation.
stan lee the manly
Wow, this is surprising. Definitely doesn’t help him with the whole wins one then leaves the franchise in shambles perception
shibbynotdude
The tea leaves say ownership wants to blow up the Cubs and Theo wants no part of it…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The ricketts are morons. They aren’t even fans. Sorry but. His first cubs game was in 1984 as 21 year old. If you’re a fan of the cubs, you’re a fan from birth. Joe Ricketts had money to burn Tom wanted a shiny new toy.
dpsmith22
Addition by subtraction.
Monkey’s Uncle
It’s the right thing to do. Whatever you think of how he left the Cubs, he is right to leave now rather than just playing out the string if his heart and mind weren’t totally into it. I would argue that if he was really interested in jumping immediately to another open GM post, he would have already stepped down by now.
walls17
It’s a stressful job and Theo has been at it nonstop as a GM since 2003. Take some time off and enjoy it.
flabbit
Angels should’ve waited to hire him
jima-2
Angels should have a president of baseball operations in between the GM and Arte.
VonPurpleHayes
While the Mets make sense, I think Theo would have more control with the Phillies. Interesting.
SFBay314
LGM
LordD99
It seems he can’t work in baseball next year as a condition for his leaving the Cubs a year early. That makes sense. Why would the Cubs let him walk directly into a position to help a competitor when they still had him under contract for a year?
As I noted elsewhere, it also didn’t make sense to have him leading baseball ops for the Cubs where he’d have to make long term decisions when he wasn’t going to be there long term. Let Hoyer make those decisions. Theo may have been all in on 2021, his final season, while Hoyer may want to begin selling off parts to build for the future, one that didn’t include Theo. It wouldn’t surprise me if this led to the departure. If so, it’s the right call on both sides.
Theo now gets to have 29 teams consider how they may want to hire him in a year. Not a bad situation. It’ll be telling now if the Mets leave their PoBO position open and only hire a GM. It says they’ll wait. Maybe not though. Alderson is likely still there and Theo will want to name his own GM.
UnknownPoster
Why would the Cubs let him walk directly into a position to help a competitor when they still had him under contract for a year?
There’s 10 million reasons why
bobtillman
The next time Theo’s in front of a microphone will be to say, “Would you like fries with that?”
Nah, Theo’s pretty good at what he does; team makes skads of money, even wins games to boot. A year off, takes Sandy’s place with the Mets. After Boston, dealing with Joel Sherman will be a piece of cake.
And Theo only goes to the side of the bread that’s buttered.
Aaron Sapoznik
I suspect that Theo Epstein would love to return to his beloved Red Sox when all is said and done. That is not likely in the short term with Chaim Bloom recently taking over the reigns in Boston.
My off the wall prediction for Theo’s next job will be with a different color Sox, He and his wife are comfortable in Chicago while current White Sox GM Rick Hahn is probably still seething from Jerry Reinsdorf’s hire of Tony La Russa. It’s famously known locally that Hahn grew up a Cubs fan in the north Chicago suburb of Winnetka. Hahn’s dream job would be running the other team in Chicago, the one that also has deeper pockets when it comes to spending.
It won’t happen this winter, but I can envision Epstein and Hahn switching teams as early as next offseason. Epstein joining a contending team on the southside would be very comparable to when MLB’s new “Boy Wonder” got his first job with the Red Sox back in November of 2002 at the age of 28. Meanwhile, Hahn has already established his own strong resume of being able to construct a contender from scratch when he finally convinced JR and KW that the White Sox needed to “blow things up” with a proper rebuild after being “mired in the mediocrity” of routinely retooling. Cubs owner Tom Ricketts also had to be impressed with Hahn’s ability to fleece Theo with the Jose Quintana trade at the 2017 July deadline.
Aaron Sapoznik
Even if you don’t subscribe to my latest cockamamie prediction, one has to enjoy the irony that would come with it. Jerry Reinsdorf hiring Theo Epstein with his resume of 3 World Series titles, replacing Rick Hahn who was angered with his owner’s recent hire of 3 time World Series championship manager Tony La Russa. Sometimes, Karma can be a……..!!!!
Dogbone
Aaron, do you really think that Reinsdorf is gonna be willing to pay someone like Theo, full value? Really! He only hires people who are going to work on the cheap.
Goose
Like him or hate him, he helped both franchises end the longest championship droughts in the sport.
If you look at both franchises his problem seems to be he does a good job building up a farm system. When the team is at a competitive level he seems to not get value for trades or free agent signings. I use to think the Red Sox management forced him into bad free agent signings and trades but it was the same with the Cubs.
The Tigers should make a move on him.
The Human Toilet
I think Theo joins the Mariners next offseason.
sufferforsnakes
So what.
pinstripes17
so what happened to that 3-1 lead?
whosyourmomma
The DYNASTY THAT NEVER WAS! 0 playoff wins since 2017, inexcusable with that team & payroll!
GoLandCrabs
Only the media declared them a dynasty despite the Dodgers clearly having a better roster by opening day 2017.
MoRivera 1999
The Cubs weren’t and aren’t a dynasty and neither are the Dodgers. The ONLY dynasty this century has been the SFG, who won three titles in five years. THAT’S a dynasty.
chrisarreola
That’s no dynasty either. Look at the record between those years. They sucked. The last dynasty was the Yankees, and the only team capable of it now is the Dodgers.
MoRivera 1999
3 titles in 5 years is most definitely a dynasty. Only a fool (like a homer) would say no.
Ry.the.Stunner
No it’s not. Like he said, they didn’t evne make the playoffs in any of the year in between those WS wins. Not a dynasty. A dynasty is constant.
MoRivera 1999
So, keeping with your logic, the Dodgers will have to win two titles in the next four years (or less) AND finish first in any year they aren’t champions. Wonder if your average Dodger fan can live with that yardstick. Because some of them seem to think they’re already pretty much there.
btw, I looked back in the record books and I saw that in 2013 the Giants finished in a three-way tie for last. Ugh. That blows a pretty big hole in the dynasty argument. They finished second in 2011 and I think I could look the other way on that but last place in 2013? That’s a hard one to get beyond.
UnknownPoster
LAD won 8 division titles, been in 3 of last 4 WS, so 3 of last 4 pennants, won 1 title. Have the same core and most are under 30
They win even one more, that’s eons more impressive than being a wild card team 3 of 5 years and riding individual historic performances to titles
Goose
A good question of what defines a dynasty. The Red Sox have achieved something strange. They have 4 titles in 16 years; 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018
The Patriots have 6 titles in 20 years; 2002, 2004, 2005 2015, 2017, 2019.
Are the Patriots a running dynasty or a double dynasty?
I always thought winning 3 titles in at least a 5 year time frame would make you a dynasty. It doesn’t end until you break the 3 in 5 rule.
MoRivera 1999
The Red Sox’s 4 titles is a fantastic achievement but not a dynasty. 1) Too many years in between. 2) Something like 3 last place finishes in there. I think you count the Patriots as having two dynasties, IMHO. And, yeah, the SFG 3 in 5 passes in my book. If someone says no I have to wonder if they are a NL West homer, especially a LAD (or SD) fan. I’m not a SFG fan but I can certainly tip my hat to greatness.
MoRivera 1999
So here’s an update in my position on the SFG dynasty, from above in the thread:
I looked back in the record books and I saw that in 2013 the Giants finished in a three-way tie for last. Ugh. That blows a pretty big hole in the dynasty argument. They finished second in 2011 and I think I could look the other way on that but last place in 2013? That’s a hard one to get beyond.
Goose
I would still call the Giants a dynasty, regardless of the one bad season.
Beyond the NBA it is tough to keep a team together to maintain dominance like we saw pre-2000’s.
UnknownPoster
Hahahahaha Mo, facts suck
UnknownPoster
Goose, they were miserable pretty much after every title run….
How are you a dynasty if you don’t even make the dance?
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The ricketts are morons. They aren’t even fans. Sorry but. His first cubs game was in 1984 as 21 year old. If you’re a fan of the cubs, you’re a fan from birth. Joe Ricketts had money to burn Tom wanted a shiny new toy.
gooddumps
But Theo…. what about our baby????!!!!!!!
mlb1225
I feel that if this was any other team, we wouldn’t be as harsh on them. From 2015 to 2020, they made five play off appearances, went to the Championship series three times and won a ring. Now sure, spending big on contracts that didn’t pan out certaintly closed their door faster, but let’s be honest. That’s not bad, and pretty good if you ask me.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m not against Theo, but I am criticizing the owners. The BS last year where they did nothing because they were crying poor really annoyed a lot of people. One thing I think Theo could have done better, though, was seek early extensions for their core. The best thing about a young core that comes up at the same time is your team can get really good really quickly; the worst thing is they all get expensive and then leave at around the same time. Cubbies have a lot of decisions to make on who to trade away.
drfitz702
I believe Jed and McLeod contracts are up after 2021, unless at least Jed gets extended, Cubs are in the same place as with Theo. McLeod would be better at a rebuild than Jed
Jose Tattoo-vay
Some dynasty that was…
hyraxwithaflamethrower
It’s awfully hard to win more than one title in any window. I think the Dodgers are better than the Cubs and they only just won their first title in a fairly long time. The Yankees have been among the favorites to win going into every year since Judge had his monster rookie season. Still no title for him. The Braves in the 90’s won a bunch of division titles and had 3 HOFers on their rotation; only one title. Dynasties are pretty rare.
fannclub6
Not surprised. Cubs are on their way down and that will tarnish his image and reputation. He goes from the bottom up not the other way around
Hyatt Visa
Yesterday (Monday Nov 16) was the Cubs’ deadline for season-ticketholders to commit to 2021 with a NON-REFUNDABLE 20% (minimum) deposit. If you think today’s Theo announcement wasn’t delayed a day or two so the Cubs wouldn’t be facing massive STH deserters worried about a rebuild, I think you’re naive.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I was wondering whether Theo would go all-in one final time or not. I guess this means they’re more likely to be sellers and try to retool than keep everyone for one more year.
drfitz702
Maybe Theo can be the next GM of the Chicago Bears. Can’t do any worse than Pace
bobbyk 2
Cubs knew this was coming for awhile. Finishing touches on extension for Hoyer tells me this has been in works probably since end of season. Also Dan Kantrovitz stating that he is going to totally rebuild scouting department from ground up using many good scouts other teams cut free because of pandemic. Kantrovitz is someone I do not want to lose.
In summarizing, thank you Theo Epstein for bringing us ‘16 and some great years besides. You laid groundwork for success to follow. Yes there will be a tear down. How big is purely speculation among all. Ricketts talks of “sustained success” and pioneering a new, expensive TV outlet plus buying 3/4 of Wrigleyville tells me aggressiveness will be in full view at Wrigley. This winter just got much more interesting. Now the question is who will report to Hoyer as GM? My pick- Michael Hill, formerly of Marlins. Or Hoyer could wait to seasons end and hire Haun from White Sox.
metfan4ever
Wow, so this guy breaks the 2 .longest running none w/s winning teams and some of you think he did a so so job. He has a job with any team he wants. Maybe Cleveland.
jhomeslice
I know many have called for Theo’s head as if he did a terrible job. He got the Cubs their first world series in 100 years, and to the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years, with two losses in the NLCS. I’m a Sox fan, and would settle for that kind of “failure” with the current rebuild on the South Side.
JoeBrady
There are idiot fans everywhere. Theo is in the HOF the day after he retires.
pennybabe
Y’all Have It All Wrong. After He Takes Off 2021, He’ll Be Joining The Yankees as President Of Baseball Operations Which Includes GM.
Brian Cashman Will Most Likely Retire!!
Peart of the game
He could also be joining Dombrowski in Nashville
its_happening
Nah. If Nashville is actually happening it means MLB would need a 2nd expansion team (unless Nashville is a relocation). Let’s pretend it’s an expansion team. It would be smarter for Theo to start up that 2nd team to join Dombrowski and Nashville.
larry48
rays to Nashville.
joshdonat
PLEASE let him take over the Mariners!!!
dman07
I wonder if the Blue Jays would be in on him…
AZPat
He will be the next owner of the Phoenix Suns.
92jays
Come to Toronto
thebaseballfanatic
Atkins will be extended for at least a few more years.
SJWMets
Theo would be a good hire for the Mets, but we need to hire a woma for the job… so we’ll pass. Thanks.
bot
He can pose as theola. Who dare question the bear ??
Joospife
Gracias Theo
cubsneedtomoveon
Que the Mets. He has wanted to join that organization since the new ownership.
bot
Theo for president
There’s several other curses need addressed
bot
Shot out to all the hater cubs fans who got a chicken bone stuck in throat right now ! All that Theo hatin….where did it get ya ??
heartbrokentexassportsfan
Please Rangers….please.
JoeBrady
I’d be slightly surprised if he didn’t sign up this year. His value is huge, and the NYMs (despite the Wilpons) and Philly are two huge openings.
And with a deluge of non-tenders available, those mid-level acquisitions are a Theo specialty.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Players cut deals with teams when they’re expected to miss a season with TJ surgery, so I don’t suppose there’s any reason why Theo can’t cut a deal to head another front office in 2022 and still take 2021 off, is there?
JoeBrady
He could, but I’ve never heard of anyone accepting a job, and then telling the organization he will be there in one year.
racerdave
He has been spotted on Clark Street in St Louis
dombrowski
Red Sox 2022
YankeesBleacherCreature
Why does everyone assume that Epstein walked away with $10M on the table to take another job with another team? The guy is taking a break. I wouldn’t be surprise to see him join Billy Beane’s business consortium RedBall.
bravesfan
Interesting. I’m gonna put my name into the mix
UnknownPoster
Sooo… they forced out their future hall of fame executive who’s overseen massive rebuilds….to save 10M bucks
Cubs fans, it’s gonna get ugly
Rsox
Cleveland next. Right now he goes into the HOF as a legend for exercising the curses of the Red Sox and the Cubs, if he won a championship in Cleveland he would go into the Hall as a god
TribeAllTheTime
I agree 100% 2016 World Series really stung badly for myself and other Tribe fans.
ericmvan
I had many long phone conversations with Jed Hoyer in 2005, my first as a Baseball Ops Consultant and Jed’s last as Assistant TO the GM (and hence my immediate boss). Great guy, great mind, and very deserving of this promotion.
In terms of Theo leaving and taking a year off, I feel great for him as well. You cannot imagine how hard he worked.
He was in genuine awe of the way Terry Francona managed the Sox bullpen in the 2004 post-season. A reunion in Cleveland would make a lot of sense.
BeeVeeTee
Theo Epstein has been a great general manager with a franchise that had an owner looking to win by buying players and depleted the farm system while not developing a pitcher from the farm system.
msqboxer
Theo’s Ego….doesn’t want to be part of an organization when he’s stripped it a part with bad deals and signings. He wants a big war chest to spend and a organization that can tank for a few years to get draft picks…I see the Mets or Orioles in his future. He could go into NY next year and tear it down while getting prospects.
citizen
HOF talk? doubtful. name one pitcher theo drafter who is a regular cubs starter.
OK with rebuilding Fenway park and wrigleyvile area., though it looks like diznee land. Too many signings of injured free agents epstein was hoping for a rebound and not actual free agents or decent draft picks.
wordonthestreet
Citizen your joking if you do not think Theo Epstein is already heading to the hall of fame.
ChiSoxCity
Theo’s next challenge, should he get the opportunity, is Commissioner. I think he’ll keep his “powder dry”, so to speak, and wait for a chance to run the league and impact the game at large.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Anyone is better than Manfred
n2northsiders
Theo left Chicago for one reason. Ownership closed the check book.
TribeAllTheTime
Bring a World Series to the team he beat in 2016, the Cleveland Indians!
FullMontilla
Epstein said he was looking for ways to serve the game in his time off – sign him up MLBTR!