im kind of tired of hearing about kyle seagers (poison pill contract) he is owed 18 million this year and has a club option for 2022 for 15 mil, that becomes a player option if he is traded. but if a team really wanted an experienced 3rd baseman who batted 122 ops+ this year with very good defence at 3rd the mariners kick in 15 or 20 million which the mariners would probably be willing to do for the right trade, that would leave him at 8 to 9 million a year for 2 years for the trading team which is actually quite good.
I don’t see why they wouldn’t have. The only time the deal ever looked “bad” was during and after 2018. He’s earned every dollar and then some in on field value (aka WAR).
Seager’s 10/5 rights kick in early in the ’21 season so perhaps in knowing that it may have been harder to trade Seager after he can nix a trade the option provision would make it easier to accept a trade as Seager wouldn’t be a rental player wherever he was traded to
It is biased towards the player but that doesn’t make it anything like a de facto no trade clause. The receiving team just has to decide if he’s worth paying for 2 years and $37M. It’s an overpay given the going rate for 2-3WAR players on the FA market these days but it’s not nearly as unappetizing as it appeared in 2018 and into the first half of 2019 (he finished with 2.8 bWAR in 2019).
There are more then one way for it to be a poison pill. Its a poison pill because if Seager exercises the option, that likely signifies he doesn’t believe he couldn’t do better then 1 year @ 15mil on the open market, which even for 1 year could tie a contenders hands. If he declines the option that means he’s likely valued higher then 1 year @ 15 mil which means he probably preformed well and you now have to pay him more or more for longer, plus you gave up whatever assets’ to get him.
Yes. But the point is most teams don’t want Seager for a 2nd year at 15M
So it’s more money the Mariners have to pay down if they want to get a decent return. Because Seager isn’t walking away from 15M to get 7 as a free agent..
The Braves actually could survive an extension for Freeman as their other payroll obligations aren’t that bad, especially when given the fact they willingly gave Drew Smyly $11 million for one year.
Seager’s contract is not terrible either, the option may actually make him more appealing to a team in need of a 3B (Nationals, Brewers, Blue Jays if they keep Vlad Jr. at 1B, Dodgers if Turner leaves). At least they know what they will be spending on him over the next two seasons
Yep. A lot of money coming off LA’s payroll next couple of years. But absolutely must resign (extend) Seager and Bellinger. Need a couple more years of Turner as well. He is the heart and soul of the team IMO.
im kind of tired of hearing about kyle seagers (poison pill contract) he is owed 18 million this year and has a club option for 2022 for 15 mil, that becomes a player option if he is traded. but if a team really wanted an experienced 3rd baseman who batted 122 ops+ this year with very good defence at 3rd the mariners kick in 15 or 20 million which the mariners would probably be willing to do for the right trade, that would leave him at 8 to 9 million a year for 2 years for the trading team which is actually quite good.
i still dont see why they gave him that contract
I don’t see why they wouldn’t have. The only time the deal ever looked “bad” was during and after 2018. He’s earned every dollar and then some in on field value (aka WAR).
but the trade provision is just so inherently biased towards the player. its a de facto no trade clause.
Seager’s 10/5 rights kick in early in the ’21 season so perhaps in knowing that it may have been harder to trade Seager after he can nix a trade the option provision would make it easier to accept a trade as Seager wouldn’t be a rental player wherever he was traded to
It is biased towards the player but that doesn’t make it anything like a de facto no trade clause. The receiving team just has to decide if he’s worth paying for 2 years and $37M. It’s an overpay given the going rate for 2-3WAR players on the FA market these days but it’s not nearly as unappetizing as it appeared in 2018 and into the first half of 2019 (he finished with 2.8 bWAR in 2019).
There are more then one way for it to be a poison pill. Its a poison pill because if Seager exercises the option, that likely signifies he doesn’t believe he couldn’t do better then 1 year @ 15mil on the open market, which even for 1 year could tie a contenders hands. If he declines the option that means he’s likely valued higher then 1 year @ 15 mil which means he probably preformed well and you now have to pay him more or more for longer, plus you gave up whatever assets’ to get him.
It is a team option unless the mariners trade him, Which means the mariners could pick up the option now and trade him afterwards
Yes. But the point is most teams don’t want Seager for a 2nd year at 15M
So it’s more money the Mariners have to pay down if they want to get a decent return. Because Seager isn’t walking away from 15M to get 7 as a free agent..
If Seattle is willing to take Roark or Grichuk in a deal, Blue Jays should be all over it.
Have you guys posted the free agency challenge results for what everyone picked yet?
1000% agree. Braves cannot afford to tie their hands behind their back with a 6+ year deal for Freeman.
Ya that was jack zduriencik, the gm at the time. He was a terrible gm
The Braves actually could survive an extension for Freeman as their other payroll obligations aren’t that bad, especially when given the fact they willingly gave Drew Smyly $11 million for one year.
Seager’s contract is not terrible either, the option may actually make him more appealing to a team in need of a 3B (Nationals, Brewers, Blue Jays if they keep Vlad Jr. at 1B, Dodgers if Turner leaves). At least they know what they will be spending on him over the next two seasons
Hard to c LA in a bind over money they are the Yanks of the west, just won the WS, cry me a river
Yep. A lot of money coming off LA’s payroll next couple of years. But absolutely must resign (extend) Seager and Bellinger. Need a couple more years of Turner as well. He is the heart and soul of the team IMO.