The Nationals and Reds have discussed Cincinnati third baseman Eugenio Suarez, though no trade appears close at this point, according to Jon Heyman of MLB Network.
The third base position was a problem last year for the Nationals, who ranked 18th there in wRC+ (89) and tied for 26th in fWAR (minus-0.1). Carter Kieboom played the lion’s share of games at the hot corner for the Nats, but he didn’t appear ready to take on the position on a full-time basis. And while Kieboom looks like the favorite to start at third in Washington in 2021, that could change with the acquisition of Suarez or another outside pickup.
Suarez, 29, was a 49-home run hitter just two seasons ago. His numbers declined to a significant extent last season, but he still posted a slightly above-average .202/.312/.470 line with 15 home runs in 231 plate appearances in 2020. He’s due a reasonable $43.5MM through 2024 (including a $2MM buyout for 2025), but with Cincy seemingly in payroll-slashing mode, it wouldn’t be all that surprising to see the club part with Suarez if it’s able to find an offer to its liking.
Wtf is even going on….
They are “moving around” money.
Everyone is broke and shopping at the dollar store. Except the Mets and Blue Jays. They’ll be having filet mignon this offseason.
C’mon…McCann is a rib eye from Outback, at best.
C’mon… don’t devalue the ribeye from outback …. lol
Mets are still on appetizers. McCann may be a bloomin’ onion. Springer is the rib eye.
Reds are taking it a bit far though
@DarkSide it’s brutal. Gotta be tough to be a Reds fan right now.
No they aren’t.
suarez dollar store? you must not even watch nl baseball, .265 and 30 bombs anytime he wants
30 HR and 90+ RBI…
None of them in the clutch…
Exactly. And the Reds don’t want to trade him away. I’m referring to the Reds as shopping at the dollar store. This is no comment on Suarez. Reds should be keeping him, instead they’re loading up on cheap players.
*want not don’t want
Simple- Mike Rizzo called Nick Krall and asked his price. Then someone (Mike Rizzo) told Jon Heyman Reds were talking about a Suarez trade so the Reds look to be at a disadvantageous position
U know this because?
Because it’s Jon Heyman
Most of what they put here turns out to be nothing. The Nationals are also interested in Realmuto.No kidding. I am sure every team is interested in him. Does every team have a chance of signing him? No. Do the Nationals have a chance of signing him? Very unlikely. I don’t know about Jon Heyman but the guy that just fills up space with stuff that comes to nothing nine times out of ten is the short guy with the bow tie Ken Rosenthal. Wonder how he feels being wrong so often. Jim Bowden is starting to be another guy that bothers me. Just a couple of weeks ago, he was talking about how the Dodgers can easily get Arenado. He was saying how good they would be with him at third and Betts and Bellinger in the outfield. I was thinking I don’t think so because it just so happens they play in the same division. Trades within the same division are very rare. Jim Bowden should know that. In 2019, he guaranteed the Yankees would get a starting pitcher at the deadline. Did it happen? No.Did he say he was wrong? I don’t think so.
Also disadvantageous to the Nats to call attention to rivals that Suarez can be had.
This was leaked by Cincy not Wash if anyone- They {want} the word out
Lmfao. Wash benefits from this. They are trying to get the Cubs and prolly the Indians to lower their prices for stars
So they’re looking at a long term relatively cheap alternative. This just makes the reds gm look like a liar
And before someone comes with the “ but they said no KB” Bs….. the dodgers gm in 2014 said Dee Gordon was the starting 2B to the media, one day before they traded him to Miami. This is all negotiating
Right, I’d like to think they’d keep him as a part of the core and trade one of the contracts away they signed in free agency last off season… This is crazy all NL central teams owners and GMs have lost their minds
This would be selling low. Doubt Suarez gets traded.
Unless he’s a one year wonder in which case the value could plummet even more. Remember he hits 50% of the time in the bandbox known as Cincy.
One year? He hit .283 with 34 HRs in 2018 and .260 with 26 HRs in 2017. He been an above average player for 4 years going back to the 2016 season even.
My bad to a point. I worry though about players coming from certain parks.
Try again….Suarez 77 HR away and 85 HR home.
Yeah that’s ignorant to call him a one year wonder
I’m no fan of his and consider him a bit overrated but his home-away splits don’t have a huge drop-off. If I were the reds its the best player to move to save money and get a decent return. Hes been solid-above avg for 4 years but let’s not make it seem like it’s 10 years either. The reds other big contracts are unmovable for any value back, ie. votto or nick and they already moved their closer.
Sonny Gray’s contract is absolutely something that could be moved for value.
Thanks Dirtymike and others. My fingers got itchy before my brain decided to dig deeper. I’m worried in general about power players coming from Philly, Cincinnati and Milwaukee in the NL the same way others look at lefties hitting in Yankee Stadium and average hitters Fenway. It’s not just Coors Field that can inflate stats. Time also flies as I didn’t realize he’s been playing as long as he has.
This comment is ignorant to the fullest extent of the ignorant law.
I realize I was wrong but there have been a lot worse comments on this site.
They just giving you trouble man… At least your not Dombrowski have to live with trading Saurez from Detroit for a rental reliever.
Some players who come out of Coors field still can hit. Matt Holiday is a good example. While he never hit as many homeruns as he did in Coors to say he wasn’t as effective would be troubling.
A rental reliever who started more than 30 games both the season before and the season after he was traded?
As a Tiger fan, Suarez was a skinny kid with little power when he was traded. He appeared to be a utility fielder type, and they were getting a starting pitcher coming off a solid year in Simon. Suarez put in a lot of work since to make it lopsided, but that’s not how it looked at the time.
Right at least loogie admitted he made a mistake…Something the vast majority of the commenters on here are incapable of..
However, even though you were wrong about Suarez, your overall sentiment is correct. There is a reason advanced analytics for hitting includes a stat that takes into consideration a player’s ballpark he’s hitting in when comparing him to others players..
That’s because it definitely can make a difference, and it can have a major impact on their performance!! So, dont worry bud, at least if you’re wrong, so are some of the smartest people that analyze the game of baseball for a living…
I’d much rather have them on my side rather than the commenters of the daily MLBTR articles!! Lol…
Dealin’ Dave says he regrets making that trade but I probably would have made it also. You just never know. A player can reinvent himself. Max Muncy was released by Oakland and look what happened. He worked on his swing and is a big part of the Dodgers’ success.
The Reds are dumb. Don’t doubt anything with them..
Cardinals and Cubs looking pretty stupid recently too. Anytime you get people calling your GM a dumpster diver that’s not good. And Cardinals royally messed up trading Arozarena. Libratore might pan out, but they should have played him in 2019 not let him sit on the bench after tearing up the minors for 2 years would have made more sense to trade one of the other white outfield prospects they had.
NL Central is getting weaker each year. Thus, Reds should not go for a rebuild at this time. Okay, they don’t have the cheese to re-sign Bauer, but no reason to dump Suarez and Sonny Gray. Jury is still out on Senzel until he gets 450 at bats. Big question with Senzel is, Will he ever stay healthy enough to get 450 at bats? Still, I wouldn’t trade him now.
Anytime you get people calling your GM a dumpster diver that’s not good.
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A lot of casual fans do that for every team. In Boston, anyone costing less than $20M per, is called dumpster diving.
LETS GO! The nats will do it since they in a win now moment with soto and turner in prime. And amazing rotation
They have to get a first baseman, catcher and someone in the outfield. Robles is not very good. I don’t see this happening because the Nationals have the worst or next to worst minor league system. If Kieboom is included, Reds don’t know what he will do. Better for Nationals to sign LaStella for third base and try to trade Robles for prospects.
Robles can be good hes shown it and why would they trade him for prospects. I rlly want them to sign la stella tho
I’m sure they won’t trade him for prospects but I think it is the best thing to do. He just isn’t much of a hitter.
Definitely send him to Boston.
Your drinking problem is now on display…
Robles was the best defensive CF in the game since the beginning of 2019 and he’s 23.
Probably true but he still isn’t much of a hitter. If he didn’t get hit so often, his obp would be just slightly higher than his batting average.
That title will soon belong to Christian Pache…Only a matter of time before he puts fans and the league on notice!!
Soto in prime? He’s 21 years old…. that prime will last quite a few years if he stays healthy!
Soto has been in “his prime” ever since he started playing baseball..lol The dude is just a natural masher, with one of the most advanced approaches at the plate I’ve EVER seen!!
Corbin had a bad year. Scherzer was supposedly hurt. Hopefully, that is the reason for this troubles in 2020. You could usually count on him to pitch into the seventh. He barely completed five this year. Strasburg gets hurt a lot. They need a couple of bats but I don’t think Suarez is the answer. He makes 10 a year and will probably cost a young pitcher like Rutledge or Denaburg. The Nationals don’t want to do that. They have the worst or next to worst minor league system. They won with Eaton but he was hurt two other years where he could have made a difference. Getting him cost Giolito and Dunning and some other guy. That trade hurt them very badly.
Eaton didn’t “make a difference”? The Eaton trade hurt Washington “badly”? You mean the same Eaton who was clutch in Game 7 WS, slashed .320/.420 in the World Series and was arguably the 2nd most important player on offense in that WS ? Oh contraire. Winning rings comes at the cost of giving up prospects. And let’s not make Dunning into an All Star yet — he was VG in 2020, not great.
When Eaton joined Washington, his edgy personality (and Max’s) was badly needed in a clubhouse of mostly passive aggressives. The Shawn Kelley incident is only 1 example.
Flags fly forever.
I would imagine Keiboom would be in the deal. Crazy that the Reds would even consider it though
Keiboom and a couple top pitching prospects. Nats should be all over it if they can pry him away. Bet reds will take that
It wouldn’t take kieboom + prospects. Kieboom already has more surplus value on his own. If the reds want a top pitching prospect plus kieboom they’ll have to throw in more. The reds could give up Suarez and gray for kieboom, Cavalli, and Rutledge. But they prob don’t want to package gray and Suarez together
The Reds don’t need to get rid of Suarez. The Nationals would be trying to get Suarez.
The Reds need to “slash payroll”
Cavalli & Rutledge aren’t going anywhere is a possibility!
Nope…Kieboom has done zilch in the majors. .181 Ave and .541 OPS. Granted that’s in less than 200 AB’s and he is young. But his stock has dropped the last 2 years. Also his 2019 stats are highly exaggerated by being in the PCL which had a league average .831 OPS, so his .903 OPS was only slightly above league average.
bot: I’d do this deal in a heartbeat:Kieboom, Mason Denaburg & Tim Cate for Suarez.
The Nationals are almost barren in their minor league system. They have Rutledge, Cavalli, Denaburg and Mendoza and that is about it. Maybe throw in Cronin and Romero. I don’t see the Nationals throwing in any of them for a guy making 10 mil a year.
Kieboom is trash, if the Reds want to take him off the Nats hands then that is more than welcome. Not sure about the long-term viability of this deal for the Nats though.
Kieboom was the #20 overall prospect in baseball going into 2019, he’s 23 now, has 138 career ABs and somehow you think he’s trash? You are funny. I want some of whatever it is you are smoking.
How has that worked out for perennial “top prospect” Francisco Mejia, who peaked at, what, #4?
When guys have a chances to break out and repeatedly don’t, that’s generally not a good sign.
That being said, I wouldn’t call him trash.
I wonder if they would put him at second base to take pressure off him. Third basemen are supposed to provide a lot of offense. Second basemen not so much. So far, he has hit like a second baseman.
Not trash but his top 20 is overrated IMO. He is more likely a top 75 prospect IMO. His 2019 PCL stats are exaggerated by an extremely hitter friendly league that had an average .832 OPS in 2019.
Kieboom is not “garbage”. he was rushed to the majors. He just needs a little more seasoning. Given the Nats Platoon approach at multiple IF positions, the Nats had high hopes the Carter could hold down the hot corner leaving second and first as Platoons.
Unfortunately, Carter was learning a new position on the fly at the same time he was learning to hit big league pitching.. Also remember the season was a mere 62 games last year. That’s a short track for rookie development.
Kieboom’s been a disappointment, but 138 AB’s over 2 seasons is not enough of a sample size to label anyone “trash”, or anything else for that matter. The kid needs to stop putting pressure on himself.
He was rushed a bit.
I don’t think he was rushed. He did very well at AAA.
100 Ks in 412 ABs is a lot, if a guy is not a strict power hitter. That would be 150 Ks over the course of a full season of AAA. What does that translate to in the pros? 200 Ks? And he was only 21 in AAA. I get what they did. They gambled he would do okay, instead of spending on a FA But it was a rush job.
If these idiots really do this, burn it all down. Castillo. Mahle. Sims. Garrett. Senzel. Winker.
I dont get the desire to sell low on Senzel when he has so much control left.
Questionable future with vertigo, don’t think he had an issue this past season, but it’s still a red flag. Compiling injuries on top of that, I was on the don’t trade Senzel train and not necessarily saying we should move him, but I wouldn’t be sad at this point because he’s just not trustworthy health wise, perhaps he has a healthy season for once and vertigo free.
Well the good part (if there ever is one in this) is they have a ton of trade value in those guys (including Suarez as well)
Lotta rebuilds dont have as many sellable assets in the beginning to start with- This feels like “till the end of Votto days”(3yrs) variety re-build so I agree burn it all down- Between Suarez Gray and Castillo you better have a top 5 farm in 2 years tho
Suarez would be a great get for Nats. The Nats are a clear rebound in 21 team.
If they are going to rebuild, they have a lot of good pieces to move. Kindly send Castillo to the RS.
“Castellini said, “Dick has an incredible baseball IQ, and his gift for innovation came at the right time in history. We are enormously proud of the contributions he has made to this franchise.”
I wonder if Castellini said that with a straight face? I have never seen a rebuild end so abruptly.
We can ask Nick Krall considering he took over Dick’s spot., Being a Reds fan, this guy is not giving me any good vibes for the future, Dick had his misses, but this guy is looking way worse.
“Dick had his misses” Love it.
Apparently anything that isn’t tied down is available in Cincinnati.
The Reds are morons. Selling low and buying high all day long. So dumb.
Worst ran franchise in baseball. That’s coming from a former red fan
Yeah, they’ve got to commit to something and stick with it. They rebuilt finally for a few yrs (rightfully so). Then commit to spending more and going for it in trades, and they give it only one mediocre COVID shortened season and pull the plug to rebuild again?! So dumb it hurts my head. Are you kidding me?? Just dumb…
If you’re a former fan then you never were a true fan. I’ve been a Pirates fan (hometown team) & a Braves fan (adopted team) since 1977. A true fan supports the team thru thick and thin, good, bad , great and really bad.
Well it’s sure convenient you have 2 favorite teams then. What do you suppose we do to Bot??
Yeah, I’m a Cubs fan and have been for 40 years. Obviously, it hasn’t been easy most of the time. I’ve never understood the ability to switch teams you’re a fan of. For me it’s like tattooed on my brain and I would love to switch often if possible. Lol
So if you have two teams how do you feel about Sid Bream?
I’ve got a friend, Bob Sacamano, well we got to talking and he can get you a player of Suarez’s capabilities for the league minimum after the trade…
BobSacamano: Yeah, I grew up in WV, the Pirates were my hometown team. My grandmother was the 1st person that I knew that had cable TV. She watched a lot of TBS, so I saw a lot of Braves games when I visited her. That’s how I came to have 2 favorite teams. I now live 45 minutes fr Cleveland and still follow the Pirates & Braves. As Paul Harvey said: Now you know the rest of the story.
Rking: Bonds, Bonilla, Bream. I wanted the Pirates to win vs the Braves.
Barry Bonds was almost a Brave twice. Prior to 1992 when the Pirates were considering trading Bonds for Keith Mitchell and Jim Leyland threatened to quit if they made the deal, and again the following winter when Bonds signed with Giants. Could you imagine an offseason where the Braves sign Bonds and Greg Maddux? That would have been wild
I traded for both Barry Bonds and Greg Maddux in the same trade in my Bill James League during the 1991 season. I think I gave up George Bell, Mitch Williams and Hal Morris. I won my division and then since it was a keeper league, I won my division the next three years. I know, fantasy baseball, who cares, but yeah, I can imagine acquiring Maddux and Bonds.
Some people adopt new teams because of geography. It is easier to root for a team when they are right there in front of you. But many of these fans also still like their original Hometown team.
I see nothing wrong with that, although i was a Senators Fan for from the birth of my Baseball awareness. That didn’t stop me from using the Orioles [who were a class organization during the EBW years] as my surrogate team until DC finally got the Nationals
I agree, adc6r. I have been a Detroit Tigers fan for over 30 years. I was born into it. But, DET would honestly be the last team I would’ve followed, had it not been for my Pops. I don’t blame anyone for crossing the line. After growing up and visiting many different stadiums & cities..I’ve considered it multiple times myself.
Anyone who gave you the NL’s best hitter and the NL’s best hitter for that trio doesn’t belong playing Fantasy Baseball. While you finished first the next few years, I bet that guy finished last.
Rking-My aunt Lucy could have thrown out Bream at home plate and her arm was meh at best.
Bonds could hit but he wasn’t exactly Clemente in the outfield.
Prospect-Good day!
Was that the free coffee one?
Like Yankees late owner George Steinbrenner used to say “why would I own a major league team if I’m not willing to spend. That just not who the New Yankees are”… Well, George is no longer with us and the Yankees are still the Yankees…
Cool Yankees quote. What does that have to do with the Reds she Nationals
Simple, Reds don’t want to spend or they are just unwilling to spend like the Yankees do hence why keeping a Major League Baseball team? It’s a business after all…
The Reds and Yanks aren’t really apples to apples tho. And I’m not sticking up for the Reds because they’re freaking morons and clearly ran poorly. But the Yankees have revenue coming in out the a$$. They’re revenue stream is in on another level then the Reds. So that’s not really fair. Regardless, the Reds are still dumb, make no sense, and have no plan.. Just saying…
any team can spend up to and well beyond the salery cap if they felt like it. just a matter of how much you want to cut into your profits. hint – you’ll never be in risk of losing money in normal economic times just spending up to the tax, even if you’re a “small market team.”
No, that’s not fair at all. The Yankees have the highest payroll because they make over $600 million a year in revenue. I can’t remember the exact numbers, but I believe that the Reds make around $250-300 million in revenue(this is from a Fangraphs article I read a couple years ago). It’s not just about cutting into profit levels. The Reds would actually lose a lot of money if they spent like the Yankees. You can’t act like small market team owners are cheap just because they don’t spend like the big market teams. They don’t make nearly the same amount of revenue.
I’m a reds fan…horribly run franchise for the past 30+ years but I like the new GM…like everyone else they’re coming out of a season that was impacted by a pandemic…but the team runs on a much smaller budget and margin than teams in all but 2-4 markets. They need to unload contracts for young, controllable talent regardless of how the fans feel about it. The other thing they could to, they could seriously look at relocating to a larger market. MLB needs to establish some sort of salary cap so that all teams can be competitive and they can keep MiLB teams they are losing now.
You don’t actually know any of that.
Might as well not even worry about lifting covid restrictions on cincy. No is going to show regardless
Wow. This would be a great pickup for the Nationals. I feel bad for Reds fans right now.
Don’t get too excited. I doubt it will happen.
What a shame to see Cincinnati go through such a fire sale one year making a run at the playoffs. The revenue losses really must have hurt the Reds more than we know. If they continue to sell off big pieces, they are looking at another 4-5 year rebuild. Too bad for such a proud franchise.
Cincinnati prematurely went for it all. They really weren’t ready for the drastic change of direction.
when did they “go for it all?” If you’re thinking the Bauer deal and the Dodgers deal were going for it all, that’s wrong. neither of those entirely depleted their farm.
Nicky Two Bags and Moose. Everyone wanted the Reds to win after that.
That isn’t true.
neither of those entirely depleted their farm.
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Almost no trades deplete a farm completely..
But the LAD trade was ridiculously bad. For the honor of assuming Puig’s, Kemp’s, and Wood’s salaries, the return to LA should been negative. Bailey was a negative value, but it shouldn’t have taken much more, if anything. Kemp surely would’ve been cut regardless of salary. Puig would be the #4, so LA was probably desperate to get rid of him.
But that is not the worse part. The worse part is that the trade was made for no reason. They won 67 games, IIRC. If they were an 85-win team, looking to move to 90 wins, I wouldn’t like it, but I’d understand it.
Trading your #1 & #2 picks to move from 67 wins to 75 wins, is absolutely crazy.
There was no problem with Cincys plan pre covid –
We have to assume different owners are going to act totally differently post Covid. It has affected rich peoples money and willingness/ability to spend money very differently- Cincy just got dumped on very hard it seems-
Its a tragedy, not a witch hunt to find a fall guy – I truly feel for this fan base
Nah, it’s going to be a 10 year rebuild.
This is pathetic my the Reds. And that’s coming from a Ranger’s fan who’s had to endure 3 years of a “retool” and now that the “retool” hasn’t worked, we’re “rebuilding”. The Big Red Machine is malfunctioning…
Out of all the Reds rumors, this one would sort of make the most sense. They have two ready made replacements in Moose & Senzel, debatable of the drop off, & could fill their hole at SS. Now with that said a cost cutting move at that. Their offense would be a huge question mark depending on a Votto rebound, along with Senzel & Kieboom health/performance. Be an interesting team to say the least.
Senzel isn’t proven though and really hasnt impressed since his call up. On the road to being considered injury prone on top of his vertigo issues.
What vertigo “issues”? He missed a bit of time a few years ago in the minors and never had any problems before or since
While I normally don’t agree with these takes, he hasn’t had the ability to settle in. Whether at 3rd or 2nd, he sort of needs a runway before we make judgements. Seems if they are intent on shedding salary, which all indication point to, Senzel would benefit from playing pretty much everyday at 3rd/2nd.
Trade Suarez, move Moose to 3B and sign a 2B for less than Suarez plus whatever you get in the trade. Save money and possibly improve.
Or not. NL Central gradually weakening.
Senzel at 2B since Akiyama is set in CF
Akiyama was a huge disappointment last year. No pop and no speed. Okay, 60 games might not be enough to judge him fairly, but even with that small sampling I’m pretty sure he’s not an everyday player (Can’t hit LH pitching.).
Suarez has one of the best contracts in baseball. Not sure the Nationals have the pieces to land him. I think Rutledge and Cavalli would just be conversation starters. If the Reds can take Suarez’s phenomenon contract and turn it into a ridiculous return old hate it. In fact, I’d even prefer moving Suarez over Sonny because we could slide Moose to third and bring Senzel back to 2nd and still be in good shape in the field. Honestly, I’d prefer they talk to a team with a little stronger farm system with some more MLB ready prospects. Suarez contract + production should net them a huge return if the choose that route.
I’d check in with the Braves & ask for Drew Waters and Tucker Davidson…
Kyle Wright and Austin Riley and it’s a deal
Tucker Davidson and Austin Riley and it’s a deal
They actually do match up well. Braves have the Ozuna salary to use, young players Cincy would be interested in.
Braves fan’s perspective- no on Waters. Suarez is worth it, but that’d be creating a future hole to fill a current one. Atlanta needs their young OFs.
Someone suggested Riley and Davidson, which I think makes sense. I wouldn’t even be mad if Atlanta threw in another pitcher from the minors.
People love to praise small market teams when they “try to win” for a year or two.
Then, everyone trashes (or pities) them when they have to rebuild for 3-4 years after that.
Rarely do people admit the problem is both structural and intentional.
100%….. Best post in the thread –
You have to feel for any front office member that had no say with the financials (which is over 95% of them)-
You have to feel for the fans right now as well.
Its just such a shame, that Div is/was ripe for the taking – Ill be rooting for them this year.
Not really. This issue is strictly a Reds issue. They completely botched a decent rebuild. It’s a bit like PT a couple of years ago when they blew up their rebuild for Archer. A lot of small market teams cycle thru the 3-year buildup and tear down, and I am okay with that. That’s structural.
PT & Cincy were just completely bungled.
NH for whatever reason thought that Archer would make them into a decent playoff team.The problem was that he gave up three good young players for one veteran who was overrated by him.The injuries and poor performance are in hindsight.It was taking a big chance that none of the three would become good major league players.
The Pirates had a decent team in 2018 and seemingly did have a chance at least for a playoff spot.Their plan has always been to make the wild card and hope for the best.That is the reason for the trade.
This trade did not bungle any rebuild plan as they historically have wanted to compete just for that wild card spot every year and none of these three players would have made any difference in their current standing.
It admittedly went against the small market team credo but rebuilds can take forever so I give them credit for trying but not for making a trade like NH almost always made in getting good young players in return.
The Reds on the other hand underperformed in 2020 but had the makings of a fairly good team.I think that their fans are justifiably bummed out at the trade and lack of contract offers to other players.
Even if CIN sells low, they could move a nice chunk of payroll. Maybe even get Kieboom back from WSH who I believe is a natural SS. Senzel or Moustakas can play 3B.
Reds are on the verge of becoming a joke
No.
Players getting shopped, teams going into fire sale.
2020-21 offseason is the best buyers market, in how long?
A few years?
Decades?
Ever?
Ill stop before saying ever but the best I can remember in the last 25 years-
All this news probably prolongs guys like Ordoozi being signed when you can net a better pitcher on a more suitable contract via trade.
Theres a lot more value in the trade market than free agency this year. This is a nice leak tho and probably gets the phone lines hoppin for Cincy from a handful of other teams as well
The offseason after the strike saw some teams do nothing and other teams grab everyone and anyone. Mostly one year deals and a lot of minor league deals. Could be what we see this winter
Without a no trade clause, Toronto should take this guy hostage.
Nats really going to try and compete just to finish in 3rd place
They tied with the Mets this year.
I hope they don’t trade Suarez but if the do they might be thinking of moving Moustakus to third and put Senzel at second . Although Senzel has been hurt too often to judge if he is a bust or over rated
Senzel reminds me of Roman Quinn (Phillies-OF). Lots of innate talent, but the guy just can’t stay on the field. Once read that the best predictor of injury is previous injuries. There are guys who, for whatever reason, just seem to get hurt more than others. David Dahl is yet another example of a talented player who has had one injury after another. Sooner or later, teams come to realize that they can not count of these guys. Might explain a player like Dahl signing a one-year deal with Texas for, what was it, $2.8 million? I’m sure his injury history seriously affected what Texas was willing to pay him.
From what I hear from people close to the Red’s front office, the Red’s lost 100 million last season. They are slashing and burning assuming fans will not be in the stands again this summer. They went all in last year and had the worst possible thing happen that could imagine from a payroll standpoint.
Yup the timing couldn’t be worse for them
I feel for them, but if I was another GM id be circling above right now and in constant communication with Cincy
Blockbuster trade James Harden to the Mets…for an Outback ribeye
But the Mets are the Knicks of baseball lmao.
No one is the NYKs of any sport. Krakatoa is not the NYKs of volcanos. There is nothing in history that compares to the NYK mismanagement by Jimmy Dolan.
Honestly, you could do things at random and do far better.
Many worse franchises than the Mets . I could name at least 5. And if Cohen is what we think he is the Mets could be a better franchise than at least half the league.
I am ok with the Reds trading Suarez, but the Nats don’t seem to be a good match for the Reds.
I agree. Braves may be a better option.
The Braves are not willing to give up low cost quality players for something they already have in their system. Suarez will cast them a lot of money down the road.
Suarez has a great contract, which likely ends at age 32.
Man, I will never get prospect hoarders
People in here saying Carter Kieboom has more value than a bonified 4-5 War MLB 3B in his prime on an primo contract
The world will be great in 2027 , enjoy 2021 while its here people.
If it happens this trade happens for two reasons:
1) To offload salary- this is the primary reason for the trade.
2) Related to one, To acquire top level controllable prospect(s)
I really don’t see Kieboom going the other way in a potential deal I think Luis Garcia is far more likely. That would allow Carter to go back to a middle infield position where he is far more comfortable
Man, I will never get prospect hoarders
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Mr. Turner and Mr. Soto said to say hello.
That said, I’d make that trade. I’m a hoarder, but Suarez is akin to a very expensive prospect since you have him for 4+ years. And I’ve seen too many teams hold onto prospects when they started to show signs of weakening. Kieboom is probably going to be pretty good, but some of the luster has left.
You know the REDS have and will be a great team again, Im a BRAVES fan that grew up in NY with a sister that roots for the METS and another sister that roots for the YANKEES, I remember watching the milwaukee braves in the 60″s. All teams win and lose, And we get to watch them. Isnt it great! We all need to just relax and watch the games
This rumor has my interest but it’s difficult to believe anything happens. Low cost, VERY productive players with several years of control are rarely traded for a reason. Most teams can’t bring themselves to pay the price so Suarez would be really, really expensive.
Just spitballing and I know it will never happen, but here is a HUGE, 13 man, 3 team trade.
Gray, Senzel, & Rutledge to Padres
Suarez & Castellanos to Nationals
Kieboom, Ross, and Romero (Nationals), Mejia, Weathers, Avila, Head, and Mears (Padres) to Reds
Clears $34.3 million off Reds 2021 payroll and nets them 5 guys that will slot into MLB roster immediately and 3 high upside prospects.
Nationals get 2 top level MLB players to fill 3B and RF and a realistic shot at competing for the NL East in 2021.
Padres get the starting pitcher they need, a former high prospect who has disappointed in Cincinnati, and a prospect with the potential to be a middle of the rotation starter or a dominant reliever in a few years.
So you guys get our best P, our best prospect and we lose Suarez, while you get the Nats’ best prospect and we get what are essentially lottery tickets.. LMFAO MF’er
Dont see the Nats taking Cast money-
Why not just simplify Gray to SD and leave Senzel out since you already have cronesworth
As a Dodger fan Im def fearing you guys getting Gray here to mesh in for 1 hell of a staff the next 3 yrs and beyond
Gray, Senzel, & Rutledge to Padres and Mejia, Weathers, Avila, Head, and Mears to Reds
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Mejia is a backup catcher. The other 4 are minor leaguers who are ranked #14, #32, #7, and #36 in your system. In exchange for the #14 SP in BB over the past two seasons with 3 years of control left, and a former top-10 prospect with 5 years of control,
So you want a top-tier SP, and a top-tier prospect in exchange for not giving up anyone ranking in the top-100? And probably not even close to that?
Oh god Koamalu. That trade is TERRIBLE for Washington. Mike Rizzo is not Brodie Van Wagenen. And then the Reds appear to be getting more quantity than quality here.
The only reason I could possibly understand the ineptness of the reds gm(krall) is if the owner ( castellini) told him to sell everything not nailed down and if that is the case I think the reds will be sold at a discount in the next 3 years if not sooner.
WTF! Are the Reds gonna dump a 29-year-old who hit 49 HR in 2019? Given how little they gave up to acquire him, Suarez might have been the Reds biggest trade steal in their long history. And now, rumors persist that they are also shopping Sonny Gray!
Reds were the chic pre-season pick to be the Cinderella team in 2020. Despite solid pitching by both the starters and relievers, it didn’t pan out last year. But that’s no reason to tear down the whole thing. The 60-game season was not a true barometer of this team’s talent.
But this is the same team that traded away Frank Robinson in his prime and let Pete Rose walk away in 1979. Okay, I get the money angle in all of this, but still Reds fans gotta be frustrated with this news.
Reds trying to give there good players away. How can you be a fan with a team being run like these clowns. One year run, Now back to a AAA. Team again. Getting low payroll players back in return yep that’s the reds. Joke
I would trade for him just to hear our announcer say his name at least 4 times per game lol.
Very nice reds , get to the playoffs get your fans excited, fans are all happy about 2021 , and what do you do trade your best players, way to stick it to your fan , dam trade votto that’s the money problem your have
Suarez is the best damn player on the team. By a mile. Leave him alone!