From the outside looking in, the Dodgers have clearly prioritized their bullpen this winter: trading for Corey Knebel, re-resigning Blake Treinen, signing injured Tommy Kahnle to a two-year deal. Behind the scenes, however, their offseason efforts have focused on finding a right-handed hitting infielder, writes the Athletic’s Jim Bowden.
On its face, this tracks. They have a need: right-handed infielders Justin Turner and Kiké Hernández are free agents, and of their remaining infielders, only Chris Taylor bats from the right side. Additionally, reports place right-handed infielders firmly in their sights. We know they’re making a run at DJ LeMahieu, one of the top right-handed infielders in the game period, and on the trade front, everyone and their mother seems to thinks Nolan Arenado is destined for the Dodgers (except – and this seems relevant – the Rockies).
But it’s somewhat maddening that the Dodgers haven’t just brought Turner back. He’s been the face of the franchise, a fan favorite, a clutch and steadying presence, and a hugely productive producer over his seven years with the team. This is circumstantial and narrative, but it’s a fact nevertheless: So long as the Turner has been at the hot corner in Chavez Ravine, the Dodgers have won the division every year.
Together, Los Angeles and Turner just won the first World Series of this long and dynastic era of Dodger baseball. The economic landscape in the game is strained, but this is the Dodgers, and they just won the World Series, and they need a right-handed infielder: make the deal, right?
Besides, he’s from Long Beach, he went to high school in Lakewood and college in Fullerton. Turner and L.A. is a proven fit.
The Dodgers, however, aren’t quite so sentimental. Turner might not be either. He’s reportedly seeking a four-year deal, which is a non-starter for a 36-year-old. For the Dodgers, a reunion with Turner is a no-brainer under the assumption that they can get him on a short-term deal. Four years isn’t going to happen.
Many in the industry project Turner as a candidate for rapid decline. Bowden writes, “Turner is now 36 years old and the analytics scream that his performance decline is at the high-risk level.” He’s not alone in anticipating a downturn in performance.
Turner’s whiff rate on fastballs jumped from 15.4 percent to 20.4 percent, and that’s a concern. Turner’s .153 ISO was his lowest isolated power mark since his first season in Los Angeles – and it wasn’t close. There was some slippage defensively – his success rate fell from 90% in 2019 to 84% in 2020 – though Statcast’s estimated marks suggest a less precipitous decline from 89 percent to 87 percent. Another point for the detractors, Turner runs less well than ever, finishing in the 18th percentile by sprint speed, down from 33rd percentile in 2019 and the 43rd percentile in 2018.
To soften the blow, one might consider that if the worst part of his game – which has never been an asset – is the biggest area of concern, then the alarm bells might be premature. Of course, none of that changes the fact that he’s entering his age-36 season. In the end, decline comes for everyone.
There’s plenty of cause to be bullish on Turner, however, beginning with his 140 wRC+ in 2020. His 10.3 percent walk rate was right around league average and the third-best mark of his career. He put the ball in play with an excellent 14.9 percent strikeout rate.
Not only was he putting the ball in play, but he wasn’t making cheap contact. His exit velocity in 2020 exactly matched his mark from 2019. His 44 percent hard hit percentage was a career high. His 11.2 percent barrel rate set a career high by a margin of 2.4 percent, trouncing the MLB average of 6.4 percent.
Lastly, and I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but it’s safe to assume he’s in the 98th percentile both for beard length and fullness. Not to mention, baseball-wise, he finished in the 95th percentile for xwOBA.
On the other hand, LeMahieu is very good, and if they can add him to Corey Seager, Max Muncy, Gavin Lux, and Chris Taylor in the infield, that’s something the Dodgers have to consider. There are other options on the free agent market as well, though not a ton that hit from the right side. Cesar Hernandez, Freddy Galvis, Jonathan Villar, Asdrubal Cabrera, Jurickson Profar, and Marwin Gonzalez are switch-hitters who could fill Kiké’s role. Only Andrelton Simmons and Marcus Semien really fit the right-handed hitting infielder mold the Dodgers’ seek.
With a payroll near $198MM, the Dodgers’ have a decent chance to exceed the luxury tax mark of $210MM, and that’s a line they’ve avoided in recent years. Turner should definitely keep them closer to the line than LeMahieu. But if the difference is marginal – say, $25MM AAV versus $20MM AAV – then it’s hard to argue against pursuing the current American League batting champion, even if Turner does rake again in 2021.
Diggydugler
$200m+ payroll! Living the dream.
reflect
Fans like winning. As fun as emotional attachment is I am sure Dodgers fans will move on from Turner and support DJLM instead if DJLM plays well.
Luc 2
Smart statement but if your saying that they love to win they should trade for mike trout and put him as short 🙂
BlueSkies_LA
Or, if they need someone to play 3B they should hire someone who actually plays it more than once in awhile?
And this just in, Francisco Lindor is not coming to the Dodgers to move Seager to a new position. As if that ever made any sense.
Rumors2godsears
Give Turner a 2 year deal with 2 team options. That’s the no brainer.. similar to the contract JD signed with the Red Sox only it’s the Dodgers that can opt out. that contract ended up looking solid for them, I feel it could work for the Dodgers and Turner.
seamaholic 2
From the player’s point of view, that’s the equivalent of a 2 year contract. If he was willing to accept that, he’d have signed by now somewhere.
Deleted Userrr
Actually it’s worse than a 2-year contract because the club options will be exercised if and only if the player doesn’t want them to be.
socalbum
Make the third year an option that vests based Turner’s games played and/or plate appearances
paddyo furnichuh
So album….I agree, or if possible also a 4th year that has vestments based upon PAs in third year. I doubt that is possible. Yet I think JT brings so value to the team that can’t be measured precisely. His defense is fading, but mental approach may help him compensate for reduced mobility.
How many 3rd baseman could have pulled of that double play in game 7 of the NLCS? I suspect that most would not have had the awareness to quickly throw back to 3rd after the diving tag. Pay the man. After he’s done, maybe he’ll start his coaching career within LAD organization.
This opinion is based on more sentiment than Friedman is likely to embrace in his decision making….Weknowdis
paddyo furnichuh
*socalbum* damn auto correct
BlueSkies_LA
Damn straight. Anybody who knows baseball knows those kind of smart game-changing plays don’t get captured in metrics. Defensive metrics are a mess, but eyeballs are not so easy to deceive.
paddyo furnichuh
Blueskies_LA Actually eyes…or our brains that process the visual input, are quite easy to deceive. Often the recall is shaded with various biases/thoughts we held when we visually observed what we observed. This is significant aspect of why eyewitness accounts are not very reliable.
That being said, there still is value to be gained from what we see that can’t always be quantified.
Cap & Crunch
Nobodies right/nobodies wrong here, its just whats happening organically – Dodgers will hold firm on a 2+1
Turner probably trys for a 4 but gets a 3 guaranteed somewhere else With the Dodgers +1 buyout it probably lands him (x )millions lower than said new team on the guaranteed 3
From there he makes his call – I love Turner but I want my front office setting the terms/yrs they feel comfortable with and not going over that line- We got a ton at stake the next 4-6 yrs in pending contracts that need to be signed – Every Dollar today inked will have an affect on something that gets inked 6 yrs from now in some fashion
What people often dont realize is its often a lot harder being a Gm of a winner than doing a re-build. Re-builds are kinda easy and probably feel like watching paint dry – Trying to build a dynasty probably feels like walking on eggshells all the time
larry48
I trust Andrew Friedman to do what’s right for the Dodgers. I just waiting to see what he does.
neurogame
That’s a “no brainer” for the Dodgers, but not a Turner. This is his last chance to maximize money and guaranteed security. I could see an AL team giving him 4 years but not at the high AAV his probably seeking. His prospects would be better had the NL adopted the DH.
Chev Chelios
How crazy is it to hope the Rangers & Dodgers can figure out a trade to send Andrus to LA?
vtadave
Quite crazy
seamaholic 2
Andrus would be like the 7th string SS on the Dodgers. He might not make the AAA team.
Chev Chelios
Yes I realize that, but he could flex over to 3B or 2B adequately. I’d just worry he wouldn’t hit enough at either position.
harrystyles
then why’d you suggest this
vtadave
Dude stinks. I think the champs are probably looking to upgrade.
GoLandCrabs
Yeah, a dude the mediocre Rangers want to stop giving playing time to will have a spot on the Dodgers.
solaris602
I’m not sure Turner would even be their second choice behind LeMahieu. If LA doesn’t land DJLM, I think they’ll approach CHC about Bryant. The ask shouldn’t be outrageous since he’s just a year out from FA and coming off a down year. Let him walk next winter after he turns down the QO, and by then Rios should be ready to be their everyday 3B.
seamaholic 2
When the Cubs traded Yu, they completed their cost-saving mission. They’re not in full rebuild.
scottn59c
I think they’ll still look to move Bryant if they see an opportunity.
rondon
Unless they spend some of the money they saved on the Darvish trade on some FA help, then I’d say they’re not done selling. Ricketts has already totally pissed off the fanbase and I don’t think he has any problem with continuing the salary dump. They’re just not calling it a rebuild.
larry48
Time will tell, Cubs have been trying to trade Bryant for 2 years but we’re always asking too much.
drasco036
Bryant makes more sense for the Dodgers than a trade with the Dodgers makes for the Cubs.
Although I’m sure the Cubs would be willing to move Bryant and roll the dice with Bote full-time at third, looking at the Dodgers prospects, they all seem pretty far off from being ML ready despite their advanced age in relation to their position. After stocking up on a bunch of teens in the Darvish trade, I could see the Cubs looking for something that makes a more immediate impacts. Maybe on the teenage front, Rodriguez would interest them plus maybe DJ Peters.
I have a hard time seeing a match but I’m also not a scout nor do I have a freaking clue what Chicago is doing.
Michaelchavez22
I wouldn’t mind seeing Rios at 1b and Muncy at 2b. Trade for Suarez and Castillo or José Ramirez and possibly Shane Bieber. Cleveland can have whoever they want. Gray, Ruiz and Lux for starters.
lowtalker1
Chris Taylor bats from the left side…
vtadave
Thank you for your contribution.
socalbum
Nope
TonyGwynnSD19
Chris Taylor is a Right Handed hitter
watford dodger
watford dodger
Mmmmm
larry48
No Taylor is RH batter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cecildawg
lowtalker – gotta be a little lower. False news dude!
harrystyles
DJ would look like a tall hot king in the royal blue
skyyalpha
Would make the tallest middle I field in baseball with Seager, both at 6’ 4”. I’m sold.
bahahahaha
Sign DJ now! JT is solid but when you have a chance to get a Top 10 hitter like DJ, you forgo emotional attachments and just get that new player. It’s business. The players get it. The GM’s get it. Owners get it. Agents get it. The fans need to learn this as well.
paddyo furnichuh
I agree to some extent, but JT should be 2nd option if they deem DJLM too pricey (cost including lost draft pick) or are trying to stay under luxury tax.
Royalsfan456
Maikel Franco is also a free agent and RH hitter. Might be an alternative to Turner on a one year deal.
vtadave
Something tells me the Dodgers can do better.
Rangers29
This is literally the Dodgers telling Turner to drop his asking price. Blatantly.
Cap & Crunch
Its a game in a game …. we actually told Turner to go out into the market and see whats there for him –
Hes gonna come back with what his best offer is, we will shave it off to “the most we can possibly go {which will be less} ) then he will make the final call-
I think from our perspective all we want is for him to be as expedient as he can with the process and their is 100% respect both ways no matter the final destination
Before the Padres bomb went off I was quite certain a team friendly ish reunion would occur but LAD might be thinking bigger today and relieving the risk of Turner creepin closer to 40 every day in one fail swoop –
Dream Big right, Ive been after Jose Rameriez for awhile now; Lets Go!
Paulie Walnuts
I think it’s a good time to cut bait on Turner.
He last played over 140 games in 2016, and is bound for further physical decline.
anthonyd4412
Bryant for Lux. Come on Cubbies!
semut
Dodgers aren’t trading Lux
neurogame
I could see them including Lux in a trade for Arenado, if he agrees not to opt out after 2021. It would just be a matter of who else the Rockies would want. I could see the Dodgers including Gonsolin, but not May, in that trade.
Any “yes” you’re right, including Lux for one year of Bryant would be madness.
itstimefordodgersbaseball
You wish
Cap & Crunch
Bryant wont require any big prospect – Your probably looking at White Knack and a lottery ticket
Its hard to even claim Bryant has ANY surplus value at the moment, hes still got that name on the back of his Jersey which does mean something but that something is White/knack/lottery ticket – If the Cubs got an extension to waive Bryant today they might very well use it knowing what they know now rather than 5 weeks ago
The market today for KB is grim at best, and I dont think Lad is a strong suitor –
TBS needs to make that trade with TNT tho for the old schoolers – He’d loook real good moving up from channel 16 to 17 on the remote
Melvino
@Cap& Why trade for a lottery ticket in your farm when I get a high draft pick as compensation for losing him in free agency? Help me make it make sense, please?
Cap & Crunch
Would be hard for me to do barring I dont think Lad is a strong suitor –
I would just hold Bryant till at least min the deadline to re-build value or potentially have them in first place for one last run
If I could net a good arm and a mid range arm today for KB by taking Ender I might bite, but other than that Im holding if Im CHC
ABCD
Right, the Cubs have enough talent (Bryant, Baez, Rizzo) for a good season in a weak division. Keep them, compete, and give them all QOs.
sgtschultz
Bad idea.
mlb9229
Beard length AND fullness. Liking the touch of humor. Thanks TC!
bobtillman
Puig claims the same is true of his tongue….and his hands….you know what that means…..
ABCD
Puig licks bats. COVID came from bats. Puig got COVID.
2020WorldChampions
Turners contribution to what’s happened in Los Angeles is immeasurable. Aside from his individual performance,His leadership and mentoring of young hitters like Seager , Bellinger is hard to overstate
That being said, at age 36 , a 4 yr deal ain’t gonna happen. Nor should it.
What hasn’t been written about is that Turner is the Dodgers MLBPA rep and subsequently he’s a straight up ‘ union man’ which means he’ll go where the most money is. Period
Lastly , at age 36 he belongs in the American League. If the Yankees lose DJ, Turner will end up in the Bronx at 3+1
Chev Chelios
That would be fun to see Turner in pinstripes. He could play 3B/DH easily.
larry48
Turner would have to shave.
HalosHeavenJJ
Hadn’t considered that potential swap. Interesting
Rsox
Because the Yankees need another DH on the roster?
Turner at his age and declining defensive skills is not likely to supplant Urshela at 3B either.
Cap & Crunch
I think Turner would be perfect for Toronto in all honesty –
They need what hes got between the ears just as much as what he provides between the foul lines –
On that same thought I think Kiki back to Mia is a great landing spot for them as well for pretty much the same reasons-
Mia and Tor are green, those 2 players add soo much
dodgers32
A tough call that would’ve been made a bit easier if Lux hadn’t had the year he did in ‘20. Would love to have both Turner and LeMahieu in LA to give DR the ultimate flexibility to move either around the infield, but there’s still more needs in the bullpen.
SCHWING and A Miss
I’m right handed, played a solid 2nd base for my high school team back in the late 80’s… that’s gotta get me higher up the prospect rankings than Lux at this point
bjhaas1977
How long is Turner’s suspension for exposing all those people to Covid-19?
Diggydugler
-1 games.
skyyalpha
He already served it in the last two innings of the WS.
antsmith7
I’d offer him 2 years. If he doesn’t take it, then God Bless and see you later.
TonyGwynnSD19
Even as a Padre fan I have a ton of respect for Justin Turner. But I have no interest in seeing LA strengthen and improve an already brutal line up. The Dodgers flat out MASH. Adding LaMahieu would just make them stupid good. Don’t get me wrong I’m confident in what the Padre hitters can do. But LA hitters are tough. And after them in the NL West the Rockies can swing it. AZ not as much and the Giants………Haha. The Giants are just BAD.
Loling @ you
This is a fine example of a padres fans talking about padres in a dodgers thread. Sorry man but nobody is worried about the padres 1 winning season in 7 season with preller at the helm and yes it was in a 60 game season. Clearly you didn’t see giants play this past season as they had great production from positional players and are developing there farm. They are a few starters away from competing with dodgers and padres. Arizona is easily the worst team of the bunch.
2020WorldChampions
The San Francisco Giants are way more than a ‘few starters away’ from competing w/ The Dodgers or the Padres . Who told you that ? Lol
San Francisco is 3-5 years away from even being in that discussion.
Yes, Zaidi has improved their player development but they’re farm ranking of 13th – 14th only makes them
League average now. And if you look under the hood, they have no potential impact arms. If their farm system cant produce arms it ain’t legit
Current roster is a bunch of washed up overpaid has beens. The Giants best player is Yastrzemski. And he’s basically a career minor leaguer who put together a good season in 2019 and seemingly did well in the short 60 game season.
That being said, zaidi is gonna have a bunch of financial flexibility in the next few years but he’s not gonna ‘buy a team’ that’s not how he thinks. He’s gonna continue to develop his farm and create a pipeline of talent and then and only then will he add via Free agency. Currently, they’re terrible. No pitching , weak hitters and no depth. They’ll finish bellow .500 again. They just don’t have the talent. There were wonky numbers over 60 games last year that made their fans think that they could hit , but it’s not real. At least not real over 162
Career minor leaguers like Solano for example , aren’t going to win batting titles. Haha
The Giants are years away from being competitive in the NL West
CommentsSectionCommenter
As a Dodgers fan, count me worried about the Padres.
2020WorldChampions
Indeed. The Padres are gonna be really good this year.
And yes, the Giants aren’t even relevant. They’re terrible. Back in the day it was a winning organization. But now? I don’t think they’ve finished w/ a winning record since 2015-2016. They’re terrible.
I expect Colorado to be better this year. AZ seems like they’re sort of rebuilding. I think the pandemic has had a direct effect on them financially
coquigo
Just give LeMahieu 4 years and call it a day. This team would have way too many MVP candidates…
socalbum
Dodgers are being used as leverage against the Yankees. LeMahieu will re-sign with NY
larry48
We will see, I don’t think LeMahieu go back to new york if they don’t increase years or AAV.
BlueSkies_LA
Everybody is being used as leverage against everybody else. That’s how it works.
DT.J.B.
Thanks for adding a little humor to the article TC. “everyone and their mother” is something I don’t expect from the MLBTR staff but liked this style of writing today.
semut
It was an odd line, considering all of the discussion has revolved around either Turner or DJLM for months. I think everyone moved on from the whole Arenado thing
Loling @ you
If arenado opted in I’d definitely include Lux plus other pieces. He fits long term is great defensively and is right handed and signed to a relatively cheap contract for the type of production he produces. Then go sign Cesar Hernandez to a cheap 1 year contract and call it a day.
Rsox
Arenado is set to make $35 million next season and you can guarantee Colorado is not going to send any significant amount of cash to the Dodgers so he can play against them. The Dodgers would have to be willing to go well above the luxury tax mark while still having to replace Kike, Joc, and whatever else they may look to add
Loling @ you
50+ million falls off books next year with kershaw, kenley and Kelly off books. I would assume that money would be going back in return for arenado as well so dodgers could fit him in relatively easily
socalbum
Send Price and Pollock to the Rockies as part of the deal – roughly $62M. Net increase to Dodgers only $137M. – just a way out idea
larry48
Dodgers have 110 million falling off after 2021 but 80 million to go to Kershaw, Seager, Pollock, Taylor, and Knebel. Does anyone remember Sierra he has 8.5 million due him this year?
Loling @ you
@socalbum was thinking the same thing.
Dodgers receive: Nolan arenado
Rockies receive: lux, ruiz, price, pollock
Dodgers add about 9 million in payroll and rockies save while adding quality major leaguers they can flip for additional assets. Lux and ruiz have high ceilings and would give them a potential replacement to story once he leaves
Loling @ you
Kershaw is gone unless he takes less on his next contract he will be 34/35? No way kershaw comes back for 30millon+, Kenley is gone 20 million and Kelly has club option which will be declined for 12 million. Taylor is also gone unless they can agree to an extension for around 10-12 million per season. If you get rid of pollock that frees up another 15 million….dodgers have options
mlbdodgerfan2015
Just because salaries are coming off the books doesn’t mean that you should blow up the team by taking a very bad contract. The Arenado contract is as bad as it gets. Price and Pollock contracts help offset it but then you’re going to throw in major prospects? Friedman is trying to make the team better not worse.
semut
Mlbdodgerfan – the guy you’re talking to just got through arguing that the GIANTS are a piece or two away from competing with LA & SD. I wouldn’t take him too seriously
mlbdodgerfan2015
Gotcha. Yeah, I’m very scared at what the Padres have done and will do in the future. Getting all that talent without sacrificing a lot of their major prospects just shows you what kind of farm system they compiled the last few years. SF? Not so much. They’re going the right direction but still a ways off to competing for the NL West.
Cap & Crunch
You guys are nuts with that Arenando package-
Take out Lux and thats what your looking at –
Love the idea of putting Price Polloock in but they would just go head over to Cle if they wanted to deal Lux and Ruiz together and get Jose Ramierez instead of Nolan which I have been saying for awhile they should do
Rsox
There is no chance at all that the Rockies want anything to do with David Price. Pollock, maybe as he would replace Pillar. Dealing to a division rival is going to come at a heftier cost than Lux, Ruiz, and garbage throw-in’s to offset salary
Rsox
Kershaw is probably a future Hall of Famer so i think the Dodgers don’t hesitate on bringing him back on a 2 year $60 million deal if thats what he wants
Loling @ you
Semut where did I say they were a piece away? Please show me where I said that
Loling @ you
@Semut is the same moron that didn’t watch giants play and finished a handful of games behind padres 29-31…anyone saying rockies and Arizona are closer to winning than giants don’t watch baseball. Probably the same guy that thinks Cubs got fleeced in there trade with padres lol
semut
I live in sf and although I’m a dodger fan i’ve seen ever single giants game since 2010. Shoot, I’d venture to say that I know immeasurably more about them than even you do. But stick with the name calling, it’s absolutely what I expect from your fanbase
semut
And my bad, you said “a few starters away”. Not much different than “1 or 2”. I also never said ANYTHING about AZ or CO. They are definitely worse than the Giants. But, do you happen to watch football? The NFC East is a perfect sports example of having teams behind you doesn’t mean your team is good. The NL West has two groups of talent: LA / SD, and SF / CO / AZ. I’m sorry you don’t like that but you really can’t argue against it.
Fwiw I love Zaidi and loved Kapler when he did player development in LA, so I think they’re finally moving in the right direction. The problem is Evans spending years trying to recapture Sabean’s lightning in a bottle set them back a huge amount and it’s going to be a good full 2-3 seasons before they’re actually contending for anything outside od 3rd place
semut
My apologies for the initial rude comment. I tried to delete it but I guess it was too late..
BlueSkies_LA
Uhhh, no. The Arenado contract is way underwater. They get no top prospects for his contract unless they throw in big bucks.
neurogame
Why would you think the Rockies would absorb the contracts of older players AND give up their superstar to a division rival.? Just because they’re freeing up payroll? They’d be helping the Dodgers in two ways – getting rid of aging contracts and giving them yet another All-Star.
And you didn’t even include prospects in your proposal (?) You don’t think the Rockies would want to gain an investment or three for their future? Lux would assuredly have to be gone for an Arenado trade. And the trade would just start with Lux.
neurogame
I have no idea what you said but this comment where you apologize is a breath of fresh on the internet. Props to you my man (or woman) for keeping tight social graces in a room of invisibility and brave anonymity. .
neurogame
“Probably”? Kershaw is a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer.
Kershaw will be 34 after this season. He won’t make $30M per year, but I would imagine the Dodgers give him a reasonable legacy deal somewhere between $20M – $30M. The Dodgers or the Rangers anyways.
BlueSkies_LA
A bit too much focus on the division rivals thing. First of all Colorado isn’t really a contending team and probably won’t be for a long time, and second, if the Dodgers give up something to a division rival they also get something from a division rival. Trades work when both sides get something they need.
cecildawg
lowtalker – gotta be a little lower. False news dude!
cecildawg
capncrunch? ” . . . which I have been saying . . .” Blah blah blah.
And they didn’t listen to you? Shame.
larry48
Kershaw is 32 will be 33(in March 2021 )I can see a 3-4 year deal with dodgers or whatever Kershaw wants.
Frahm_
Justin turner is still a phenomenal player and there’s no reason to believe he won’t continue solid production. Definitely makes sense to get him over DJ
Blank Frank
There are plenty of reasons to believe that Turner’s production will drop, starting with his age and chronically bad knees that require injections every spring. If I knew there would be a NL DH starting in 2021 then maybe I’d offer two years. But that’s it. DJL is a much better player at this point in their careers. Go Dodgers.
Frahm_
I mean turner is more likely to decline but he’s been a better player than DJLM the last few years and will require much less money. Since 2017 he has 5 OAA so it’s tough to say he’s bad in the field and he’s a consistently great hitter
cecildawg
B L – we need $ to sign the big boys. Seager, Billinger, and the Walker. Dang that’s a lot of dough. Mucho dude.
Rsox
The Dodgers already rewarded Turner with his last contract (4 years $64 million) so there is absolutely no reason for them to overpay or overcommit a second time.
Turner, if lucky, may only be good for 110-120 games in the field which still means carrying another player capable of playing the other 42-52 games at 3B. Even if the DH is inevitable i would still only go two years for Turner.
And its not only Turner, the Dodgers will need to replace Kike or sign him back to a new deal but also Joc Pederson or another Outfielder to take his place.
socalbum
4 years, $64M = an 8 WAR player over that period. According to Fangraphs he achieved a 14.4 WAR over that period, with a total value of $114.5. Dodgers by far got the better of that deal. Dodgers have replacement for Kiké (Zach McKinstry) and Pederson (Beaty/Rios/Reks)
mlbdodgerfan2015
They should re-sign Pederson if the market is light for him. He still hits righties well and Rios doesn’t play the outfield. I like Beaty but he won’t put up numbers like Joc. He has a good compact swing but won’t put up power numbers. Platoon Joc with Pollock in left field. Joc needs to lose some weight though. Looks like he put on some COVID weight last season.
Cap & Crunch
Dodgers got every red cent worth on Turner and then some
Now Kenley and Rich Hill not soo much
Kaz and BMC – Yikes
Kelley and Pollock- Shoot me
Friedman probably gets a little too much credit in free agency but your going after the wrong hombre to make that point Mr Red Sox
mlbdodgerfan2015
That’s the risk with Turner. Sure, he will be on the DL at some point with a hamstring issue and will get even slower. But he can still hit. If they do re-sign Turner I expect to see many days off and Rios on the field more frequently and hopefully Turner seeing some time at DH if that is still on the table. There are quite a few options at 3B, but not one that I really like. Maybe re-signing Turner over two years will be Friedman’s way of punting until he sees a better opportunity.
BlueSkies_LA
Turner can also share 1B with Muncy, which was the plan last year when the Dodgers were in the hunt for a 3B. Rios and Turner also form a pretty good platoon option at 3B. Turner fits into the Dodgers roster very well, which he will probably in the end once he sees he isn’t getting four years from anyone.
ray714
Dodgers need to get on the phone with Indians and swoop up JRam
socalbum
I vote yes
drysdale53
Bowden is the same clown who guaranteed that Arrenado would be a Dodger by Christmas. Maybe he meant Christmas 2021.
socalbum
and then wrote in The Athletic that he had not taken into consideration that the Rockies might not want to trade Arenado to Dodgers
mlbdodgerfan2015
Justin Turner away OPS in the last three years 0.883. Turner 0.860 overall OPS in 2020 in much smaller sample size. Arenado’s away OPS over the last three years 0.797. Sure, it’s a little skewed in that Turner gets some games at Coors and none at Dodger Stadium, and vice versa for Arenado. But that said, is Arenado worth all that money? He plays better defense and is younger but no way is he close to worth $35mm. That was a bad contract the moment he signed it. Pass on Arenado.
davpass19
Perfecto Analogy! Add in the intangibles and it’s a laugher value vs value! I see JT coming back on compromise deal. Say Goodbye to Seager as long as Boras lurks as his Agent! Mucho Dinero off the Books next offseason, so I see JT at DH(it’s all but a given for Univ DH!), DJ at
3B/2B flex at $100ML deal and Hand in #1 LH Pen guy at 2 yrs+. Forget Arenado, No Way Bryant…Story & others to look at replacing Boras boy Seager after $80+ ML off books next year!
cecildawg
B L – we need $ to sign the big boys. Seager, Billinger, and the Walker. Dang that’s a lot of dough. Mucho dude.
empirejim
I’d be shocked if the Dodgers went for a big-ticket player like LeMaheiu. One team can afford only so many huge contracts, and they have their share with raises coming for Belli, Seager, and Buehler. I wonder if Will Smith can play 3rd?
davpass19
No worries on Luxury Tax Issue! Dodgers been compliant for a few years now, so with $80+ ML off books next year they are good to go above this year with small consequences! 1 and out as WS Champs is useless! Costs to be a Champ, but that Development System stays highly productive…Best of all BB worlds fir LADs
YasmaniStrandall
Hoese could be up by 2022, they may only need a stopgap.
l9ydodger
I like that idea too! Platoon Rios & Smith at 3rd & then Smith & Barnes behind the plate. Can also play Ruiz & Barnes at catcher & see if Ruiz is the real deal or not. If the Dodgers don’t want to do that, then they need to move Ruiz in a deal for a need they have before Ruiz’s value goes away!
mlbdodgerfan2015
Anyone else concerned with DJ’s very poor away OPS? 0.757 over the last three years, which is pretty much the average OPS for all second basemen. The 0.757 away OPS ranks 13th out of 25 qualified second basemen over the three year period. He’s obviously played better at home but over the last three years that is one season at Coors and two seasons at Yankee Stadium. Coors the best hitting park almost every year and Yankee Stadium another very hitter friendly park. Maybe in general hitters hit better at home, so you can add some points to that 0.757 average. If he’s an overall high 0.700s OPS third baseman that would actually be the average for all third basemen and likely below Turner’s OPS even with some decline. Concerns? Signing Turner to a two-year deal maybe the best option for the Dodgers. That will ultimately be dependent on the other offers he gets from opposing teams.
davpass19
No worries on his OPS at all! He passes with high marks! Xlnt modern era prototype Hitter. There ain’t any Ted Williams, Tony Gwynns or Ruth’s or Clementes around any longer! Those guys are extinct! DJ next best to those today as
Contact/Power/Percentage Hitter. Nit saying he is that caliber, but who is these days?
mlbdodgerfan2015
I’m always wary of Rockie players putting up big numbers at home that skews the overall numbers. LeMahahieu was one of the few that was able to be even more productive elsewhere but he has done it at Yankee Stadium, which is not quite Coors but still a very hitter friendly ball park. And he’s showing even larger spreads between home and away hitting. Smaller sample size but still. Dodger Stadium is still a very much pitching friendly ball park. Still cautious of him. Is he a good 2B? Sure, absolutely, and we’d be lucky to have him but at what cost and contract? Does that contract prevent you from signing a Seager, Bellinger or Buehler down the line?
cecildawg
davpass19 – Bellinger and Seager i hope.
clayram83
After many discussions with a friend about Coors hitters over the years, I’ve backed off a tad on the Coors effect. As a Dodger fan it’s been all too easy to sneer at Rockies hitters, but it’s a little harsh to take their away stats 100% seriously. More like 75% seriously. Would you be more surprised if DJ OPS’d 900 as a Dodger next year or if he OPS’d 770? Honestly, they would surprise me the same. I’d expect more like 840. Still clearly down from the 1000 and the 890 he put up in Yankee Stadium, but not all the way down to the upper 700s dumpster fire at $25M AAV.
Don’t let the ballpark factor scare you too much, there are players who truly live off of it and there are players who’s peers/reputations vouch for them. Mookie came from AL West ballparks and still slugged in Dodger Stadium. We trusted that we were getting an MVP-caliber bat because we knew that he’s known to be one, and it’s well known that DJ is an elite pure hitter on the planet who probably had something click that let him tap into more power over the past couple years
semut
Uh, “everyone and their mother” thinks LA signs Arenado? He hasn’t been in the discussion for months!!
semut
Does anyone know when Hoese is going to be ready? I’m surprised this article skipped over the fact that one of LA’s top prospects plays 3B!!
Loling @ you
2/3 years at most, missing last years minor league season hurt his development
semut
Ugh, yeah I keep forgetting to take into account no MiLB last year.
larry48
Hoese was at the alternate training site in 2020 so he got one on one coaching and about 500 at-bats.
hoyce
Dodgers should target reds suarez
larry48
Suarez strikes out about 30 % of the time. Homers or strikeout is what he does.
Ducky Buckin Fent
@TC Zencka –
This is a really great write up.
Just felt compelled to post this.
Cap & Crunch
The dream is Jose Rameirez
If money aint no thang- (it is)- DLM
Hedge wedge- Suarez
Most likely – Turner
3rd world scenario – Maikel Franco/Todd Frazier platoons w Rios/Muncy… Dont think it gets here but who knows in Rona World
BuJoBi
The Dodgers have a very deep minor league system and are in a good position for a trade to fill 2nd base in they fail to get lemahieu.
Could Beatty be a replacement at 3rd for Turner? Also I’m not sure how much they need lemahieu with gavin lux and zack McKinstry knocking on the door at 2nd, both are exciting prospects.
mlbdodgerfan2015
I don’t think that they have anyone ready yet to take over 2B. Lux excluded but he needs to take that next step that has been elusive. Taylor will play 2B if Lux is not ready but takes away the luxury of having him playing multiple positions.
Beaty has a nice compact bat that will translate to better numbers with more at bats but he’s never going to put up large starter numbers. He’s better off the bench playing corner outfield and infield positions. He can play at 3B, but I don’t think that is his forte. From what I’ve seen he’s better at 1B and the outfield. He’s not going to hit enough to be a full time starter though.
They may be pursuing DJL to replace Turner. Not sure but that is a possible scenario. Or they could sign both, or neither. DLJ loses some value as a 3B though versus 2B.
I wouldn’t count on McKinstry to be a starter. It would be nice if he can fill Kike’s hybrid bench role but that is also not a given.
larry48
Michael Bush is the up and coming 2B was drafter in 2020,
GarryHarris
I never heard Nolan Arenado was being traded to LAD. Where did that come from?
BlueSkies_LA
It’s one of them rumor thangs.
CobiEven
Your mother.
puigpower
I love JT. I don’t want to do three years though, let alone four. If DH was in the NL pretty sure this would happen, but now I worry.
larry48
sign JT for 2 years and then 2 years as a front office assistant. The last 2 years won’t count for CBT.,