The Mets swung a massive trade Thursday when they unexpectedly acquired superstar shortstop Francisco Lindor and right-hander Carlos Carrasco from Cleveland. It’s the biggest story in baseball at the moment, so reactions have come pouring in over the past several hours. Here’s some of the fallout from the deal…
- Lindor is only under control for one more season, in which he’ll make a projected $17.5MM to $21.5MM, though the Mets will try to keep him around beyond then. Mets president Sandy Alderson said the team will “broach in the next few weeks” an extension with the four-time All-Star, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets. That’s not surprising news, as the Mets had to part with four young players (Andres Gimenez, Amed Rosario, Josh Wolf and Isaiah Greene) to get the deal done, and new owner Steve Cohen certainly has the money to pay Lindor on a long-term contract.
- While the Mets may be willing to keep Lindor around for the foreseeable future, it never seemed realistic for low-budget Cleveland to sign him to an extension. The club knew last spring it wouldn’t be able to extend Lindor, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, who reports that it offered the 27-year-old $200MM. That didn’t come close, though, as Lindor was then seeking upward of $300MM.
- In the wake of the Lindor/Carrasco trade, the Mets aren’t necessarily finished making big-ticket acquisitions, though it’s “less likely” they will sign free-agent outfielder George Springer because of an unwillingness to exceed the $210MM luxury-tax threshold, Andy Martino of SNY writes. New York is in the $190MM payroll vicinity at the moment, and it would like to open the season around $5MM to $10MM under the $210MM mark, Martino reports. The Mets have been tied throughout the offseason to Springer, arguably the top position player on the open market. The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
- The Mets had interest in free-agent righty Jake Odorizzi earlier in the offseason, but getting Carrasco put the kibosh on that, as Martino writes that they’re no longer in the running to sign him. The Mets are slated to rely on Jacob deGrom, Marcus Stroman, Carrasco and David Peterson as their top four starters, at least until Noah Syndergaard returns from Tommy John surgery during the summer.
- With DJ LeMahieu currently a free agent, the Yankees were speculative candidates to make a deal for Lindor. While the team did inquire about Lindor before the crosstown rival Mets reeled him in, the Yankees’ main focus has continued to be re-signing LeMahieu, Sherman tweets. Because they’re so locked in on LeMahieu, the Yankees only regarded Lindor as a fallback option.
- Mets general manager Jared Porter told reporters (including Anthony DiComo of MLB.com) that they have five to six prospects whom they have no plans to trade. To no one’s surprise, Porter did not reveal any names, though DiComo lists shortstop Ronny Mauricio, righties Matthew Allan and J.T. Ginn, catcher Francisco Alvarez, third baseman Brett Baty and outfielder Pete Crowe-Armstrong as farmhands who probably aren’t going anywhere. They each rank among the Mets’ top six prospects at MLB.com.
PapiElf
Lindor with the mid-2000s black Mets’ jersey in the photo!
angt222
I found it cool that that’s the Jersey they show him in especially after Cohen’s comments on them.
377194
I like the look.
Perksy
Looks like Jose Reyes
angt222
Yep, I thought the same thing.
padam
So did Jose Reyes.
lowtalker1
Just like that springer and Bauer’s markets have been drying up. What about what his face that was with Atlanta last year
drasco036
Ozuna?
IMO, the Mets need to target a true Center Fielder. I like Nimmo but not enough to suffer through his poor defensive showings.
I love the Lindor and Carrasco trade from the Mets perspective but priority number one should have been a center fielder and priority number two should have been bullpen help.
lowtalker1
Probably talk to the reds about jank.
astick
Jann?
astick
*Jank
paddyo furnichuh
Jankowski
YourDreamGM
Hit up jbj and call it a day. Couple of pen arms.
drasco036
Jackie Bradley Jr. and the Mets makes a ton of sense.
Cap & Crunch
Agree – JBJ J Wilson and perhaps 1 more Sp like GR
EasternLeagueVeteran
Not a big fan of JBJ. He probably could get more from another club, but not sure of what his market is right now. He is second prize to Springer.
padam
They added May. ‘May’ add Hand.
lolzmets
Just type out “In my opinion”. It’s not that difficult. That should be priority number one for you.
BuJoBi
Always one of those guys lol
chriscala
Yeah. Help him out Drasco ! He had to google IMO !
YourDreamGM
Should have took the money Springer
looiebelongsinthehall
I find it hard to believe the $150m for five was a real offer.
YourDreamGM
I have no idea. But if it was he can’t be feeling good. I wouldn’t be betting on the jays to beat it. Better hope angels get interested or something crazy.
Ma4170
I’m willing to bet the Mets didn’t offer 5/150… maybe 5/125… they wouldn’t go over the standard market projection w an early offer… and now they’re far from desperate so I doubt they go over 5/125 at all (if they even do at this point)
of9376
Springer was banking on Cohen being desperate to get a big name in NY.
JimmyTheC
Free agency cuts both ways. Just because he wants $175 million doesn’t mean anyone’s obligated to give it to him.
lolzmets
Thanks for pointing that out, you must be a real deep thinker.
BuJoBi
Lolmetz…..your life must really suck to have so much time to hate on everyone’s post. Do you have a actual comment on baseball or……?
Rsox
Ozuna spent the entirety of last season as a DH for the Braves. With already suspect defense a year off from playing the field can’t possibly be helping his market.
It is utterly ridiculous that we sit near the end of the first week of the new year with no definitive answer as to whether the NL will have a DH next season. We know that the league said to operate under the assumption of not having one but that is neither a yes or a no.
chriscala
Agreed. Ridiculous
thebaseballfanatic
Hello everyone, Jays fan here.
Please don’t sign Springer.
I really, really, really, don’t want them to.
But it seems inevitable.
Goodbye draft pick, goodbye salary space, hello future corner outfielder with his best days behind him.
(sigh)
YourDreamGM
I hate giving 30 year olds lots of money. Hate losing draft picks too. Listen to this person.
kylegocougs
The draft pick is way overvalued, half them end up not even making it to the MLB. Like 0.1% of first round picks end up being as good as Springer
YourDreamGM
It depends on what type you get and if you pay someone well above slot. And how good of a gm you have. It’s numbers game, so the more picks the better. But a good baseball person can make better use of the picks.
its_happening
Regardless, 14’s rationale is the fact that the Jays have a crowded OF and little SP horses. Can’t deal Grichuk, won’t deal Teoscar, shouldn’t deal Gurriel. Sprinkle that Springer cash on pitching.
MarkoRock68
kyle
0.1% is 1 in 1000. With 30 first round picks per year are you saying Springer is the best first rounder of the past 33 years?
Blue Jays Fan
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t know how our FO messed this up, it seemed inevitable they would be jays and now… it seems we’ll be stuck with Springer unfortunately.
drasco036
If you get “stuck” with Springer, you’re going to be very very happy.
I cannot figure out for the life of me why people think Springer is regressing. He posts positive defensive metrics in CF, he is a very good hitter that hits for both average and power. His OPS + is elite… like Mookie Betts/Mike Trout elite. Add that all to the fact that he hits in the playoffs and has a World Series MVP to boot (ill gotten or not).
Oh darn, stuck with a guy who has 63 games of playoff experience and nearly a .900 OPS… must be awful. Six DRS in 338 innings at center field… clearly he has regressed to a corner outfield position.
Cosmo2
He’s 31. General rule says he’s about to decline.
Rsox
If you sign Springer to a five year deal you do so knowing he won’t be a CF the entire length of the contract. Its reasonable for the Jays to play him in CF the next couple of seasons then move him to RF when Grichuck’s contract is over.
YourDreamGM
Better then getting stuck with miggy ellsberry albert or votto.
drasco036
The key is to be smart like the Dodgers vs. falling in love with your players the way the Cubs did.
I’m by no means a Dodger fan but how brilliant was shipping off Puig, Kemp, Wood and Farmer? They took back Homer Baily’s horrible contract immediately released him and got two stud prospects, one that helped land them Mookie Betts. The bigger picture is the Dodgers wisely was able to move those pieces to get under the luxury tax and make improvements to the then current team.
Blue Jays Fan
Yes, I’m aware of his numbers but I’ll pass… let the mets sign him. Not sure how my comment offended you, but as a jays fan speaking to another jays fan, who agrees with me and you don’t seem to be a jays fan, not sure how it offends you?
padam
Keep in mind that the Dodgers have more money than most teams, affording them the ability to do/make the moves you mentioned.
stymeedone
You forgot Vernon Wells, or are the comps too close for you?
MarkoRock68
bluejaysfan
Would you have been ok giving up Gurriel, Thornton, Van Eyk and Machado with no certainty of an extension? There are reports that the Jays almost had a deal but Lindor would not agree to an extension.
Blue Jays Fan
Gurriel is better than any player the mets gave up. I don’t see why he wouldn’t extend here but assuming he wouldn’t and gurriel wouldn’t be involved absolutely.
Marty McRae
Just saw Steve Cohen on MLB network categorically deny the projection by Andy Martino of “an unwillingness to exceed the $210MM luxury-tax threshold”. Martino routinely pulling out nonsense from nowhere, smh.
Did everyone forget it’s not illegal to spend as much money as humanly possible on a team? Because that is always an option. Moneyball never won a title, you only win if you spend and some owners would spend anything to get a title, others are only in it for personal gain and hate the fans. It’s better to the former.
DarkSide830
its not illegal, but its also not as profitable.
Marty McRae
Sometimes it’s not about profit.
bestno5
Says the person not paying the tax bill
lolzmets
Another Darkside deep thought. Not illegal, but not as profitable. Got it.
YourDreamGM
I think it is fine to go over for a year or two if necessary. My thought is if good contracts and arbitration take you over so be it. But I wouldn’t voluntary go over it. If they still want Springer etc then make it a 7 year deal. Stretch that money out and maybe get lucky that he is still hitting in his late 30s.
marcfrombrooklyn
Don’t be silly. They are all in it for the money, Every last one of them.
Cap & Crunch
The tax isnt as bad as most make it out to be-
11 mill on 250 payroll- Joe Lacob would laugh at this
Im glad the numbers there tho…last thing this sport needs is more separation from the top to the bottom
Its more or less used for the owners to appease the masses depending on how they want to bend the spectrum that year to their fans
YourDreamGM
The more years in a row you go over the worse it gets. More money taken and effects your farm system as well.
iml12
It’s a progressive tax that gets incrementally higher until it caps at 50 percent after 3 years. There is an additional surtax if you go over by more than 20 million that increases at 40 million. 250 million payroll would cost more than 11 million on year 1 and substantially more after year 1. Not to mention the higher you go the harder it would be to reset.
DarkSide830
in case anyone wanted reminding that the luxury tax does a fine job maintaining competitive balance…
iml12
Apparently Cohen is like every other big market owner.
drtymike0509
It does coupled with the revenue sharing. If the major markets didn’t kick down then their spending would go up imo, outside of the covid world right now, obviously. They all reset though, at some point, which makes it at least cyclical for each team…
YourDreamGM
Tax does it’s job. You don’t need to spend 200 plus million to win. Only 1 small market team has won the series in like 30 years but that’s because the owners are greedy. When you have a payroll closer to 50 million than 100 for like 5 years, you can step up to 150 for a couple of years. These small market teams make 70 million more a season when they are good, yet only step up payroll 20 to 40 million more. The pirates might have a payroll of 50 or less for 5 years in a row. And probably won’t go much over 100 in 2024 to 2033 when they will be able to contend. We will see, but if need be you should be able to spend a year or 2 if you have had payrolls well under 100 for 8 years or whatever.
drasco036
Has it though… sure some smaller market teams have made the playoffs and even made it to the World Series but since baseball made the luxury tax penalties stronger and capped amateur spending look at the World Series winners:
Dodgers
Nationals
Red Sox
Astros
Cubs
The Royals winning were a result of them spending and developing talent before the new rules took place. Since then, smaller market teams cannot afford to spend on high risk/high reward players in the draft like they did previously or spend as freely on international free agents. Also, large market teams are less inclined to give up highly regarded prospects which also hurt the smaller market teams.
YourDreamGM
I don’t see how the caps on prospect spending hurts. I mean a bigger market team brings in more money so they could dominate the international market. They still can since they can spend more on facilities and staff. Small markets get extra draft picks. Large markets can’t tank, yankee fans would go crazy. Small markets can and load up on top 5 picks for 5 years.
Before royals it was 20 plus some years ago a small market one. I don’t think it will go close to 20 again. Rays over achieved and we’re out gun, but cleveland had a great team.
For a cap to work it needs to be set at 150 max. You basically have 210 now. If you have 200 with a 100 floor it will just force the small markets to spend money on bad contracts and hurt them more. Cap with no floor or easy achieved floor. But owners are happy as it is so.
drasco036
Prior to the draft pools and limiting international spending, it wasn’t the large market clubs that spent widely in those areas. I couldn’t find the old report that I read but I remember at the time it was the Royals, Rays, Pirates and Red Sox as the teams that were spending the most on amateur talent.
Well ran small market teams knew they could not compete with the spending of the larger market teams on free agency but they spent significantly more in the draft and internationally than they did.
It was their way to compete in an unfair game and if you went back to the way it was, large market teams would take advantage of the loop hole like they did just prior to the spending caps.
I personally think, as you mentioned, there should be a floor, and the luxury tax threshold should always move up the way it is now. I won’t get into the economics and “fairness” of the game unless you want to venture down that rabbit hole but I think as the luxury tax threshold moves up, so does the floor, any team that spends UNDER the luxury tax threshold gets a certain percentage of that money they are under to spend on amateur talent however they see fit, in the draft or internationally.
YourDreamGM
It used to be that way with the international signings. The padres spent like 70 80 million in a year. It was like the moneyball effect though.like you said the red Sox were a big player. Then others came,and more. It takes the bigger teams awhile to catch on, but most of them do eventually. Hey instead of paying washed up 30 year olds hundreds of millions, maybe we should check into this. Large markets used to love giving away their top prospects for a rental. Won’t be too long and they will be trading off their arb 2 players. The rays indians method is going to be the norm with small and mid markets. Big boys will adjust. More money if the big markets are good, small markets will go along as long as they get a few scraps to keep making them money.
Cap & Crunch
Im personally all for the 100 floor 200 max with maybe some provisions to sign homegrown past 200 mill (like Nba Bird rights)
It would have to be set up in tiers so we didnt get one lucky fa class (NBA 2016) that gets overpayed overnight but it could be done over time (3 yrs)
I dont think this hinders small market whatsoever, in fact quite the opposite – Your going to develop a lot of interesting markets for Mid tier players and also open up teams like Cle an opp to keep a guy like Lindor if they want to go that way (studs and duds)
Doubt we ever see it but it would add a great infusion of interest for the 10-15 ballclubs who constantly have to dread not being able to be players in the off-season year after year
This new generation likes fairness, and while I dont like a lot of things about the new generation I cant argue with them on this aspect for the sport today- Look at the NBA where you have small cities like San Antonio Portland Mil Utah be able to generate exciting teams year after year bc the floors and caps allow them the chance
YourDreamGM
I like the strategy and evolution of the small teams trying to compete. Using advance stats. Using computers and video. Shifts. It’s all good until the competition adapts. Like you said, the international market was great for the small teams for awhile. Then LA Chicago Boston ended up giving those kids 40 50 60 grand. They put in a tax but those teams would simply just pay the 10s of millions in taxes alone. Even now that the large teams get less money so sign players, they still aren’t at a disadvantage. It helped, and needed to be done. Floor and cap need to be closer. The max teams will still be double the spending, pretty much like now. Needs to be so close that teams will spend roughly the same amount. Baseball is just so different than nba nfl. Baseball has to develop it’s own players. So richer teams would have more resources. Baseball has a lot of money with local TV deals. Teams now keep a lot more money from being shared with the poorer markets. It’s a mess without a easy solution.
YourDreamGM
Edit you didn’t say that. And million not grand.
drasco036
I understand where you are coming from in regards to wanting a more competitive league but I’m going to disagree with that notion.
Obviously, you and I are huge baseball fans, commenting on a MLBtraderumors board during the off season about teams neither one of seem to support so the following does not really apply to either one of us but:
Big market teams dominating is good for baseball. Go to Tampa and the Yankees have just as many fans in the area as the Rays do. Go to Miami and there are just as many Cub, Cardinal, ect fans and Marlin fans. No CASUAL fan wants to see a competitive league. Baseball needs powerhouses. Baseball fandom was at an all time high when the Yankees dominated in the post season. It’s not about you or I, it’s about the masses.
What is good for baseball is when the traditional teams are battling atop the division and occasional a darling makes a post season run. Think of the NCAA tourney, which is one of the most widely watch “playoffs” style event in the country. Powerhouses make it into march madness, the occasional 15 seed goes on a run, never wins but that is fine because they tried. As long as who wins changes from time to time and a Cinderella team makes a run, everyone is happy. That is what is good for the financial success of the sport and casting a wide fan base net. “Competitive balance” is a joke.
People like to say the NFL is the most competitive of all sports, which is a complete exaggeration evident by how dominate the Patriots were with Bill and Brady. It’s the illusion of competitiveness.
Now, while speaking about the financial health, that I wasn’t going to go down, look at who pays the luxury tax and who does not. There are only a handful of teams that drive the entire league and it’s laughable how much more the Yankees pay than everyone else. Over the past couple years, the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers and Red Sox have paid handsomely for their success to the rest of the league… but that is extremely good for baseball. If not for their success and their markets, teams like the Rays, Marlins, A’s, Royals, etc could not exists. Those teams drive the league and keep the small market stadium doors open, the last thing baseball needs them to do is NOT make the playoffs.
YourDreamGM
For the record I like it how it is. As a kid I was a fan of my rich team that won all the time. As an adult it got old and pissed me off when they would pay washed up 30 year olds 8 figures. I am a fan of teams that share my philosophy. Right now Tampa Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Smart poor teams can succeed. Rich teams don’t have to be as smart. And will lose if their owner is named art. Poetic huh lol Rich teams are more important but you still need the washington generals. The more teams the more money. But more viewers equal more money. That’s why Yankees red Sox are on every night I get it. Yankees Dodgers is much better than royals brewers. They will expand the playoffs so every 500 team will be in it and everyone is in contention for a wild card till September. I can care less. I am more interested in scouting and trades and such. Some of these teams are literally the washington generals though. I kept thinking eventually these teams will wise up, but they don’t. The reds trade their best prospects for old washed up dodgers. Over payed for non elite over rated free agents. Instead of firing their gm he gets a promotion. I love it.
dan55
All of these trades so far have to be bad news for the top free agents out there. I don’t see any team offering Realmuto, Springer, and Bauer their desired money now that the Mets, Padres, and White Sox have used trades to supplement their roster.
Marty McRae
Really? Acting like the Red Sox, Giants, Yankees and Dodgers don’t exist? Foolish.
Cosmo2
I doubt any of those 3 teams have any interest in the 3 players named above ( Realmuto, Springer, Bauer).
drasco036
I’ll actually agree with Dan here.
I do think the Red Sox and the Nationals could sneak in and be players in free agency but the markets for these players are drying up. I don’t see the Yankees being major players as they attempt to get under the luxury tax, Dodgers can fit in Bauer but do not have a need for Realmuto and not sure Springer would be a fit either unless they can unload Pollock.
The White Sox are still options but they seem like a team no one really wants to play for. Every major free agent they target passes on them but given the lack of options these guy are looking at, it may be the White Sox year to make a splash in free agency.
IronBallsMcGinty
Lindor and Carrasco leaving the division is a boost for the White Sox in itself as those are two players they’ve struggled against the past few years. While the other teams in the AL Central seem to be inactive and/or rebuilding, the Sox need to do a little more to bolster themselves.
drasco036
It’s all well and good to be the best in your division and maybe that gives you a little more wiggle room in developing your players but it’s about winning a title and not just a division.
YourDreamGM
Sox aren’t done yet. I don’t blame them or others for not being in on some of these deals. All these top free agents seem to be asking too much. I want Bauer under 30. Jtr and Springer closer to 100 than 150 and they may be wanting 200! I certainly don’t want to beat the padres trade offers.
stymeedone
Red Sox and Giants are not in the best position to spend big this year. Yankees are trying to stay under the threshold. Dodgers don’t have many needs team wise. Jays are the team with money, but few seem to want to take it.
dan55
The Yankees don’t have much interest in those three free agents. The Red Sox and Giants both could theoretically spend money, but they are both bad teams, and signing free agents who are 30 years old wouldn’t really fit in with where their respective franchises are going. And the Dodgers don’t really need to make any big moves, considering that they just won the World Series and are currently the best team in baseball. Plus, they have to worry about contract extensions for some of their players.
The White Sox, Padres, and Mets were the teams that I thought would have made the biggest moves this offseason, but now it seems like they are mostly finished with their offseasons and the top three free agents are still available to be signed.
drasco036
I’m going to disagree with you on the Red Sox front only because Henry has never been shy about spending money. I also do not think the Red Sox are as bad as people make out. Downs isn’t far off and Dalbec should be an upgrade at first base.
The White Sox IMO, haven’t made an impact move yet. Sure the Padres look fat and happy, the Mets still need to improve CF and bullpen help but the White Sox? Adding Lance Lynn is not a needle moving pick up and you cannot expect DK to dominate like he did last season. (and I love DK).
The Sox still have a couple moves that they could make, RF/DH, SP, bullpen. I wouldn’t be content with Lynn is all I’m saying.
dan55
I agree that the White Sox could definitely use another impact player, however I don’t see them making any more big moves after bringing in Lynn and Eaton. I do believe that they will sign a reliever like Hendriks, but that won’t cost nearly what the top free agents are asking for.
And for the record, I personally love the Lynn trade.
bestno5
The Indians just cleared out $48 million in payroll….what if they signed one of these players to a one year deal and then deal the at the deadline and/or take the draft pick. Say Springer one a one year deal at $17-$20 million. Or go nuts and give Bauer $25 on one year. True they wanted to save money but they still save a bunch and could compete with that rotation especially if they add Bauer
dan55
That would great if the Indians decided to go out and spend some money on these players. However, given their historical desire to make the payroll be as cheap as possible, I think it’s more likely that the Indians spend their remaining cash on lower level free agents like Jake Odorizzi and Jackie Bradley.
YourDreamGM
@best those guys would rather sit out a year then take a 1 year deal for that small amount. They will take a multi deal but not for what they dreamed about.
Priggs89
“Adding Lance Lynn is not a needle moving pick up”
Really? Lance Lynn is 8th in fWAR amongst all starters since the start of 2018; 5th since the start of 2019. That’s not a “needle moving pick up” for a team that needed to use a bullpen day in game 3 of the playoffs last year?
“you cannot expect DK to dominate like he did last season”
They don’t need him to. 2019 was the only year he has had a FIP north of 4 in the last 7 years. Even if he doesn’t pitch as well as he did in 2020, that’s closer to his norm than 2019 was.
“I agree that the White Sox could definitely use another impact player, however I don’t see them making any more big moves after bringing in Lynn and Eaton. I do believe that they will sign a reliever like Hendriks,”
I would definitely argue that the top reliever in baseball is an impact player…
Priggs89
Those numbers are about half of what they’d get if they took 1 year deals… If they’re taking those kind of AAV’s, they’re looking at closer to 10 year deals, even in a depressed market.
Roll
@Bestno5 the signing team would lose a pick on a 1 year deal as those guys were already offered QO and declined this year … also they can not have it put on them a 2nd time so they would not get a pick either. So basically you are betting on someone trading for a player they could have had for cash and losing out on a pick that may never pan out.
dan55
@Priggs89 – Like I said in the previous comment, Hendriks is a great player, but he will probably get around $15-20 million less per year than the Bauer or Springer. That’s what I meant when I stated that he is not a top-level free agent.
Rangers29
I think Bauer is going to get less than everyone is projecting. Maybe even less than 30 mil AAV. Not because he’s bad, but just because he hasn’t sustained his success for even 2 years in a row yet.
I am almost confident in saying that he is going to sign with the Giants though.
iml12
If anyone pays Bauer 36-40 million per they lost their mind. I honestly assumed he get something like Darvish got 3 years ago maybe slightly higher. He doesn’t have the consistency for that payday
bkbkbkbk
He’s gonna be a halo on a 5/150 or 4/128. Book it.
YourDreamGM
I agree dan. I will also add I believe these moves are because of unrealistic free agents. Bauer wants 35 40 million a year, well we will just trade for someone.JTR wants how much, we will just sign the next best catcher.
Cap & Crunch
It totally is Dan
I might be in the minority but I love it….. and the craziness its about to evoke !
JTR aside Bauer Springer DLM is not the class I want to get in a bidding War over for various reasons, especially when teams like Cincy Cle flashing controlled talent at half the locked in prices already
Rangers29
Hey Mets’ fans, how does it feel to be able to have this high of a payroll? It must be nice to be finally acting like a large market team.
Cosmo2
Meh, when they’re not in rebuild mode they’ve tended to spend quite a bit. Perhaps not wisely but they generally spent.
Rangers29
Let me rephrase then: How does it feel to be a *competent* big market team?
chriscala
Obvious yankee troll ! Lmfao
Like spending $3Billion in the last 15 years for one championship feeling ??
1984wasntamanual
So Blue Jays are at 5/115 and Mets are/were at 5/150? That’s a pretty big difference in value, if the mets are out on him, gotta wonder what that does to Springer’s market.
Cosmo2
5/125? That’s probably as much as I’d pay for him.
Cap & Crunch
4/110 take it or leave it !
dan55
Yeah, I don’t really see Springer making a lot of money. The Lindor trade seriously hurt his value. If I had to guess, I would say the Blue Jays are his number one option right now, and maybe the Braves or Marlins would be interested if they want to spend money. But I don’t really see him getting anywhere close to $175 million now that the Mets don’t want him.
Shrutefarm
Makes me wonder about Arenado too. It seems like many experts have been predicting he would opt out after next year. With this financial climate, I don’t think that’s a forgone conclusion. Maybe the Rockies trade him before he decides to opt -in for the remainder lol
YourDreamGM
I don’t know anyone knowledgeable thinking he will opt out. If he agreed to opt out it would increase his trade value. When that opt out comes we will see how much he cares about winning!
99 Captain Judge
For the Yankees, DJ has been the main priority all along. Just give him $115 million for 5 years, let’s get this done already!
drasco036
I think it’s wise for the Yankees to let the LeMahieu market play out more. I have no inside knowledge but it appears he likes playing in New York and his game is a perfect fit for Yankee stadium. Let DJ get some offers in hand and the offer something similar but less.
MoRivera 1999
4/$80 or move on.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Yankees have Justin Turner at maybe 4/70 as a backup plan if the Dodgers get DJ. But four years for JT is one year too long IMO.
Diggydugler
Jays are around 5/115 and Mets are around 5/150 and Springer didnt take the Mets?
Wadz
Martino isnt credible.,
bhambrave
If the Indians are in player dumping mode, I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade Ramirez to the Braves for Austin Riley and some good pitching prospects.
YourDreamGM
They only dump when it makes sense or they have to. Unless the padres are interested I am not trading anyone that doesn’t fit that criteria.
dejota
MLBTR I love you but could you please pick a side about owner financial situations.
All 2020 you have gladly carried the owners water and now you acknowledge Cohen can afford to pay players whatever. It can’t be both. The other billionaire owners are also no losing so much money they don’t have. Furthermore assets hemorrhaging cash don’t increase in value like mlb teams do. Please pick a side.
YourDreamGM
Difference between being able to spend money and making sense to spend money.
smuzqwpdmx
I don’t believe MLB owners lose money most years, but your argument doesn’t necessarily hold. People will buy status symbols like sports cars that are expensive to maintain and depreciate rapidly. MLB teams are status symbols for billionaires. If there are more billionaires than there used to be, and they’re bidding for the same number of status symbols, it could drive up franchise values.
dejota
I had never considered that angle before. Good angle and appreciated.
drasco036
You do realize that Cohen just bought the team and didn’t suffer the financial ramifications of 2020 like every other MLB team owner right?
SalaryCapMyth
Assuming Cohen doesn’t want to go above the luxury tax and assuming the Mets really did offer a contract of 5/$150M, I would say Springer made a mistake not coming down on his demands and except the offer.
YourDreamGM
Shoulda taken the money Toombs!
SalaryCapMyth
Nice movie reference. Chronicles of Riddick.
jim stem
When players with the proven track records of Lindor and Carrasco can be acquired for an 18 year old with 8 career milb innings pitched, a 19 year old who has not yet appeared in the minors, a rookie prospect SS and an underachieving SS, you make this deal every time. Well done, Mets.
Next required upgrade: center field.
jim stem
McNeil
Lindor
Alonso
Conforto
Davis
Smith
McCann
Nimmo
…that’s a pretty impressive lineup as is. Sign Bradley for CF and bat him 8th with Nimmo off the bench as the 4th outfielder is solid.
But adding Bryant (3b) place of Davis? Not that I like that idea, but wow.
McNeil 2b
Lindor SS
Alonso 1b
Conforto rf
Bryant 3b
Smith of
McCann c
Bradley cf
…with Nimmo as the 4th OF? Yowza.
iml12
The fact that you could potentially add Bryant and Lindor for very little prospect capital and pay them roughly what springer would make on his own seems like a sound financial and baseball decision.
YourDreamGM
I would have added bell too. Just in case there is a dh.
king beas
Pete Alonso JD Davis and Dom Smith leave the Mets with 0 use for bell
YourDreamGM
Who said anything about having a use for Bell? I just want to let these free agents know they can take their fantasy demands somewhere else. We got lindor bryant and Bell. We are good here.
mgomrjsurf
Pillar? Rays CF? Maybe could expanded Trade to included Cubs.
Shrutefarm
How many FA are still left out there? Seems like a bunch.
Jal179
I think the Lindor deal puts the Jays in the driver seat for Bauer and/or Springer. I don’t like the guy, but I think they have to prioritize Bauer at this point. I suspect both will come in close to $30 million AAV.
Jal179
The FA that will get way less than anticipated will be JTR. It’s starting to feel like JTR back to the Phils for under $100 million…
Orel Saxhiser
His ending up in Washington would be devastating for the Phils.
VonPurpleHayes
If JTR goes to Phillies for under $100 million, then the Phillies FO comes out looking pretty smart. That being said, I still don’t see a team that’s retooling necessarily agreeing to sign a 30-year-old catcher longterm. Would the Phillies even compete during Realmuto’s tenure? But if they don’t sign him, the Phillies fanbase will be rightfully furious. It’s a mess over there in Philly while the Braves, Mets and Marlins are all on the rise, and the Nats are only 2 seasons removed from a WS.
Orel Saxhiser
Robinson Cano might be worthy of some down-ballot MVP votes. If he didn’t get busted, the Mets wouldn’t have the payroll flexibility for all their moves. Brodie Van Wagenen is a genius!
rich 2
I think Gimenez is going to be very solid for a very long time. If we dont keep Lindor than we got robbed. Hopefully Sandy knows something that we dont.
VonPurpleHayes
You didn’t get robbed because you got a real good starting pitcher too. Even if Lindor walks, Mets made a great win-now trade without giving up a top prospect. This is what Mets fans wanted.
gussie busch
Springer is Dexter Fowler reboot. Falls fast and hard.
padam
5/175 is insane. 5/150 is unrealistic. 5/125 at best. I could see the Mets pulling the trigger at 25M per, but nothing more. Still have Thor and Conforto contracts to deal with if they move forward.
Aaron Sapoznik
If the Mets are indeed out on George Springer and the Blue Jays are really ‘low-balling’ him with their reported offer, this bodes well for my prediction of the free agent OF landing with the Red Sox.
Springer’s preference has always been to play for his ‘beloved’ Red Sox and latest ‘news’ might make that more realistic, even if it means him accepting a ‘pillow’ contract for 2021 and re-entering free agency next offseason without a QO.
I can envision Springer accepting a one-year deal with either Boston or his former team in Houston where he is ‘beloved’ by fans and hasn’t been vilified from the drum banging scandal. It should also be noted that Springer and Red Sox manager Alex Cora are very tight from their Astro days which might also bode well for him landing in Boston.
drasco036
I also predicted that the Red Sox would sign Springer.
I like the Red Sox offense with Springer at leadoff, playing CF and Verdugo playing RF and Renfroe/Benintendi splitting time in left.
If the Sox could get freaking Dustin Pedrioa to retire then they would be around 50 million under the luxury tax. Depending on which Evoladi shows up, signing a guy like Odorizzi gives the Red Sox a solid enough rotation (assuming Sale is Sale).
LordD99
Springer is not taking a one year deal.
BobGibsonFan
Marlins are looking over their shoulder and getting nervous. Mets might not be battling for the cellar.
I bet Cashman could have swung a deal better than what the mets offered.
chriscala
Lol. Troll
Nobody was putting a package better than the Mets bc they know the Mets will sign Lindor after next year anyway!
xSpecBx
The package the Mets gave the Indians was pretty sad. Understand Linder only has a year left, but the Mets got the better end of that deal even if he walks.