The Angels had trade talks with the Yankees about Aaron Judge this winter, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports, though it sounds as if the discussions were little more than due diligence. “It was the lightest of flirtations,” as Olney put it, “and perhaps a door-opener for other names.” No details about the specific nature of the talks were mentioned, though it’s safe to assume the Angels explored some bigger outfield names like Judge before eventually landing Dexter Fowler in a salary-dump of a trade from the Cardinals.
Needless to say, a Judge trade would have been arguably the offseason’s biggest blockbuster, and it’s fun to speculate about what exactly Los Angeles would have had to give up to land the slugger. (Cue the inevitable “Judge for Trout and Ohtani sounds about fair” jokes in the comments section.) The Angels and Yankees were somewhat imperfect trade partners since both shared a need for starting pitching, which could be one of the reasons negotiations didn’t get very far. Since getting under the luxury tax threshold seemed to be the Yankees’ primary offseason goal, finances would likely have played some factor in a hypothetical trade, though obviously the Yankees wouldn’t have just given Judge away to clear his relatively modest $10.175MM salary. Olney also observed that discussion about Judge’s future in the Bronx will soon become more prominent, as Judge is only under team control through the 2022 season.
More from the AL West…
- In figures released on Friday, the Athletics’ plans for their new ballpark at the Howard Terminal site in downtown Oakland will cost $1 billion for the stadium itself, and roughly $12 billion for development projects in the surrounding area. (Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times has the details.) The bulk of the costs would be covered by the team and private developers, though the A’s asked the city to provide $855MM for infrastructure improvements. That money would come from taxes related to the project, but a statement from Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf said that while “the city is willing to bring to bear its resources to help make this vision a reality…today’s proposal from the A’s appears to request public investment at the high end for projects of this type nationwide.” The Athletics have requested that Oakland’s city council vote on the project before the end of the summer.
- Mariners star prospect Jarred Kelenic will make his MLB debut at some point this season, though while GM Jerry Dipoto told MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand that Kelenic “is going to get here soon…I don’t expect that’s going to be in a matter of days.” Enough time has passed in the season that the Mariners have gained an extra year of control over Kelenic’s services, a tactic mentioned as part of the infamous comments made by former team president/CEO Kevin Mather during a rotary club speech in February. As expected, Dipoto made no mention of service time considerations, noting that the M’s wanted to see Kelenic get more experience facing left-handed pitching. The GM also said that “when you break camp with a team, committing to those players for the first 30 or 40 games, it would be unfair to judge what they do without giving them that sample to work with.” Looking at Seattle’s current outfield options, Mitch Haniger is off to a red-hot start, Taylor Trammell hasn’t hit but has looked strong defensively, and Kyle Lewis only just returned from the injured list. Ty France is also hitting well and has taken most of the DH at-bats, but France could also see more time at first or second base when the time comes for Kelenic’s promotion.
Yankees should listen on judge, you can’t keep him and Stanton in the same lineup.
Why not? As worked before and is working right now. Put Stanton a bit up, put the pressure on the pitcher of having to be careful with 2 guys who can easily hit homers coming to the plate one after the other and the results are there. A small sample of course but for now it’s making a difference.
And, in my opinion, if one of them has to go, Judge as played more, can play in the outfield without getting constantly injured (or a bit less than Stanton at least) and gets like a third of Big Mike’s salary, so really don’t think he should be the one to be moved
Cherish these times. You’re not getting anything for Stanton. He was a salary dump acquisition and is even more so now. Maybe things improve with DH coming that you can stick him in with a decent year, but he’s paid thru 2027 ($10M buyout) with MIA on the hook for $20M only. You can rip the tags off him, he’s your’s.
I still can’t believe anyone ever thought he’d “opt out” of this ludicrous contract.
If the Yankees don’t win a World Series by 2028, it’s because Stanton’s contract took up too much of the budget.
APD – As a DH with a massive contract, Stanton will be very difficult to move. That’s why Judge should be the one to go.
@Fever pitch-
Stanton (after what MIA chipped in) has the same AAV as JD Martinez.
Fyi.
& no.
Zero reason to trade Judge.
If Jarred Kelenic isn’t in the trade discussion for Aaron Judge I wouldn’t even answer the phone. The Halo’s don’t have the prospects to land Judge in a trade.
This is one of those “joke comments” with ludacris player valuations referred in the article, right?
Yankee- you planning on a 3 team trade? Jarred Kelenic is a Seattle Mariner. You must be thinking of the Angels prospect 1B Jared Walsh?
While there might be, as Buster Olney puts it – “minor flirting” from front offices, you might as well ask teams to include Tatis, DeGrom and Realmuto into a multi-team trade to get Seattle’s Jarred Kelenic because a move away from the PNW at this point is pure fantasy.
@ayrbhoy- no 3 team trade. The Yankees will have no interest in the Angels prospects. I was just mentioning Mariner prospects the Yankees would have interest in if they we’re going to move Judge. I find it hard to believe Seattle wouldn’t move Kelenic and either Julio Rodriguez or Kyle Lewis for one of the best players in the game. Smh
Judge is a good player and is probably the best player on the Yankees,, but the truth is that he would be the fourth best player in the lineup on the Angels. This does not address the Angels need, which is pitching.
@MrAngelFan- you meant to say Judge would be the 2nd best player in your line-up after that guy named Trout, right? Smh. Rendon is now better then Judge? Lol! Who else? Yes, your Halo’s need 4 starters to compete in the AL West.
Why on earth would Seattle want Judge with Kyle Lewis, Mitch Haniger, Taylor Trammell, Julio Rodriguez and 6 years control of Kelenic. And Ty France is our DH!
GET BENT!!
They wouldn’t. A smart team runs itself efficiently… Kelenic is young, looks great so far, and inexpensive and under control, that’s efficient. Paying Judge mega-bucks into his thirties is not. (Not to mention that a trade in no way guarantees an extension.)
Actually, he’d be the 5th best hitter in the lineup. And that’s when Stanton stays on the field.
Walsh is outhitting him. Ohtani is a better hitter. Rendon is a better hitter and Trout is a better hitter. And all of them are better at staying on the field.
@Yankee-4-Life 75 Top 100 right now has Trout#1, Rendon #8 and Judge #21, That is a east coast biased source. Rendon hits for better average, better OBP, and far more doubles. I, along with most other people, believe Ohtani will win a MVP before Judge does.
Yankee- You could’ve stopped after the first four words of your reply because there will be ……”no 3 team trade.” I’ll tell you why: the Mariners are 244 games into a total rebuild. We are only 2 offseasons removed since Dipoto decided to ship out all players (minus Kyle Seager) with large contracts so they could hit the restart button. Nothing is more valuable than super talented young players playing on dirt cheap pre FA contracts.
Seattle’s plan has been to build a top farm system and field a winning team with plenty of money (and prospect capital) in the budget to fill or plug any holes in their roster. The Seattle Mariners do not need OFers. If they make any trades or FA acquisitions it will be for Pitching, Catching and or middle INF’ers.
Funny, if Judge came to Seattle this year he wouldn’t even be the best OF on the team. He’d be 2nd best behind Mitch Haniger who is healthy and producing (159 OPS+) at his 6-7 bWAR All-Star pace. Oh and btw- Mitch has 13 XBH 17 RBI .292/.330/.562 w 159 OPS+ for less than a third of AJ’s salary.
You can’t have judge and Stanton in the same lineup? Why not. I think every team would love to have these guys hitting in their lineup. Even the Yankees.
Ready to see this kid play in Seattle
Removing Trout from the discussion, I don’t see the Angels having anything of value to trade for Judge that the Yankees would want. I guess that’s why it was brief.
Addell or Marsh would both be more than enough to headline a deal for Judge.
Maybe together they might be enough
Are you serious? There is no way both would be needed to get a trade done. Look at any of the recent trades for front of the rotation arms(Darvish, Snell, Bauer) and you’ll see that there wasn’t a single players with the value of Marsh or Addell in any of those trades.
Lindor and Carrasco didn’t even net Cleveland a player anywhere near the value of Marsh or Addell.
Judge only had 2 years of control left at the time. And while he is great when healthy he has had injury issues.
Has a team ever had both corner outfielders locked up for a long time at the same time? Not sure they have. Probably a reason for that.
LOL Judge has played ONE full season and y’all are treating him like he was part of the ’27 murders row…
The Lindor/Carrasco deal was a salary dump by Cleveland. We’re talking the New York Yankees here. They’re not salary dumping their star player, who only makes $10M, unless something significant is the return. A couple prospects won’t do it. Hence why it was a brief conversation.
@Tone Loaf- there will never be a trade with the Angels for Aaron Judge. So keep dreaming.
@Tone Loaf- if Addell and Marsh are that good the Angels should hang on to them then. The Yankees wouldn’t have interest in these players. Basically the Mariners are a better fit then the Halo’s.
Adell or Marsh may actually be an overpay in this case. Other than a great rookie year Judge hasn’t done much of anything and has missed significant time each of the past three seasons. Last thing the Angels need is more injury prone players
By fWAR 8.3, 5.1, 4.6 for 2017-2019, so he has done things outside of his rookie year. That said, I’d be very hesitant to give up a ton for him, but I’m not nearly as high on Adell as some are.
Those fWAR numbers are nice if you take out of consideration that in that time he’s missed 142 games
Do you not know how fWAR works? It doesn’t matter if he’s missed games, he’s still provided that value in those seasons. It’s not prorated or anything like that.
The point is those numbers are nice when he’s in the field but being on the field is the issue
The Yankees would have little interest in that deal. They’re in a win-now window, so they’re not going to trade their starting right fielder for a couple prospects, one of which—Adell—can’t even field. Clint Frazier was a top five pick in the nation, has shown he can hit in the majors, and he’s still having difficulty breaking into the Yankee lineup as an everyday player. We know Arte loves marquee brand position players. He’d love to have Judge, but the talent doesn’t match what it would take for the Yankees to trade him.
Does the team know about that mode?
Only the angels think adell is worth anything.
*angels and all top prospect lists and teams that articles have said checked in
Fangraphs haven’t checked in
Considering Judge is only under contract through NEXT YEAR, Adell OR Marsh & a couple of low level long term prospects (projects) should work. That is even if the Angels were truly wanted 2 yrs of Judge (1+ now that this season has already been played).
Tone Loaf- I wouldn’t want them on the Yankees for Judge. So trade your leftovers somewhere else. No thanks.
And the whole league knows Judge has little value coming into last seasons of arbitration. If hes worth an extension- Yankees woulda done that years ago.
@bot Define little value. Yanks aren’t big on buying out arbitration years but his recent injuries pretty much nixed that anyways. Plus he’ll be 31 at FA time and probably does not want to delay that at all.
Today’s market – no where near marsh or Adell. Bryant is much better and would have been unloaded for a headliner of either of those guys before the 2020 season. What they both have in common is their high arb salaries.
At Judges peak (2017/18)he would have been worth an extension of at least 5 additional years covering him to age 35. Roughly 25 mil per and Yankees passed on that
I think Jose Iglesias makes sense for NY. Yanks have the bullpen depth to make a fair offer. Not sure if LA has a keystone alternative.
Aaron Judge does not have near the trade value that you think he does. His injury history automatically limits what a team would be willing to give up to get him. He is also destined to be a full-time designated hitter sooner rather than later. Not sure how that works for him and the Yankees. You would also be trading for a player due to hit the free agent market in the coming years. Judge has value but it is absolutely limited value. Buyer Beware!! Yanks are in need of a rebuild. Angels have more than enough with Jo Adell. I am not ready to put Brandon Marsh into an Aaron Judge trade package. I would be swapping an outfielder for a soon-to-be DH who is an injury waiting to happen. Not doing that. Yanks need to take Justin Upton back in any deal I do here.
Judge would certainly be an upgrade over Upton but any asset capital spent by LA should be on pitching. Jose Iglesias is only thing LA has that would help the Yanks right now.
Angels need to focus on pitching
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Mantle
Berra
Ford
Martin
Munson
Mattingly
Jeter
Mariano
Judge…….uh, No.
…Costanza?
He’s still upset the Yankees traded Jay Buhner
Next chat: “Jo Adell for Judge?”
So the Angels had interest in Judge huh? Perhaps they could be interested in Stanton instead. He’s built similarly to Judge but with half the talent and also comes with an awful contract. What could go wrong?
Stanton’s problem is not and has never been talent.
That’s correct to a certain extent but along with his health problems Stanton hasn’t come close to being the hitter he was since being traded to the Yankees. The closed batting stance he uses now is horrendous and he’s more of a guess hitter than ever. It seems any pitcher who has good stuff low and away can strike Stanton out with ease
That’s fair if your bar for talent is peak MIA Stanton, but he’s actually been a pretty similar hitter to Judge, whom you compared him to (minus 2017 Judge). With players like him I always have to wonder of much of that is talent erosion and how much of it is caused by physical limitations due to the many, many injuries.
Stanton’s power is in line with Judge but Judge is the much better all around hitter. Stanton is also essentially just a DH now while Judge is a good defensive RF
Never say never but Judge will stay in NY short of a career altering injury. If they can get 130+ games out of them that would be a win. If Stanton can put up a good year maybe they can get 50 cents on the dollar in a Price type deal. Otherwise, they will need to start eating 3rd tier repeat offender cbt taxes. Not ideal by any stretch but they don’t need MVP performances from either to do well and they do need them “relatively healthy.”
The problem is Judge hasn’t come close to “130+ games” since his rookie year. Hard for the Yankees to expect something they haven’t been able to get
Agreed. That’s why 21 and 22 are crucial for him and the team in regards to his FA
You may want to review Stanton’s contract before you opine that he could be traded anywhere. He has full NTC, and unless a front-line franchise like Dodgers wants to trade for him, he’s not leaving the Yankees until his contract is up. No reason for him to leave the high profile of NYC to toil in Houston, Chicago (White Sox), or Seattle. He’s paid the same, no matter which team’s IL he is on.
White Sox?? I can speak for the entire White Sox organization here and emphatically state that the Chicago White Sox have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in Giancarlo Stanton.
@Very Barry- no worries Giancarlo will never be offered to the White Sox in a trade anyway. They have nothing the Yankees really want.
It doesn’t matter if a team trading for Stanton has anything the Yankees want, if you think you are getting anything of value back for Stanton, you’re insane.
If you can trade Stanton, and get the other team to pay even half his salary it’s a win. No one is giving much for him so your stuck. If trading him isn’t a salary dump, it ain’t happening
@1984wasntamanuel- the Yankees have ZERO interest in trading Giancarlo anywhere right now. That was my point that obviously went right over your head.
@Yankee-4-Life …. The way that Cashman is running the Yanks these days you are probably correct! White Sox have nothing the Yanks would want. Did you see Michael Kopech with 10 Ks in 4 innings today? He throws 100 mph. Dylan Cease? Young stud 100 mph heater. Garrett Crochet? Young stud 101 mph heater. Luis Robert? Eloy Jimenez? Tim Anderson? Jose “MVP” Aubreu? Yasmani Grandal? Nick Madrigal? Dallas Keuchel??? Lance Lynn???? Lucas Giolito?? You are right ….. The 1st Place White Sox have nobody that could help the Last Place Yankees.
Yes I’m sure Cashman would scoff at the likes of Tim Anderson or Lucas Giolito…
@yankee-4-life your comment is laughable. It’s more like the whitesox have no need for Stanton and his massive contract. The Yankees would jump in a hot second for Vaughn, Robert, Moncada, Anderson etc.
@123redsox- Giancarlo is staying on the Yankees. You sound salty? Worry about you’re own players.
@Very Barry- only you would try to trade injured players like Eloy Jimenez. Lol! Hang on to your damaged goods. Tim Anderson a (great player) but isn’t a need for the Yankees either with DJ and Gleyber here. Luis Roberts sounds good though. I usually don’t read your comments because very few of them make sense. It’s Jose Abreu. Smh. He’s probably your favorite player, right?
The Angels bullpen is now 26th in ERA and it’s worse than that because they have been horrible at coming in with men on base.
And they did nothing after acquiring a closer. It was dumb then, and that should be obvious to everyone by now.
They can’t keep ignoring the pen. Waiver wires and minor league free agents can supplement a pen, but you need a foundation. The Angels haven’t had one for years and that’s the biggest reason for their lack of success. It blows my mind everyone doesn’t see this.
I would trade Judge in a heartbeat but the Yankees never will. The Yankees will never win a Championship if both Stanton and Judge are in the same lineup. @Rangers29 would you trade Gallo for Judge? The Angels should of signed Bauer.
@mlbnyyfan- no way the Yankees would trade Judge for Gallo. I would call the Mariners about Jarred Kelenic, Julio Rodriguez or Kyle Lewis though. Judge definitely makes the Mariners better right away.
I think the Ms are fine with those three…why trade them now?
@Hawktattoo- I was saying to trade 2 of those players not 3 of them. Kelenic would obviously be one of the pieces coming back to the NYY.
Guess what I was trying to say is why trade any of them right now. They all have incredible potential and would hate to give them up for Judge at this point. Lower salaries…service time. But it can backfire also..and none work out.
Yankee-4: Better, perhaps, but with only 2 years of control, and there window not quite open yet, what would be the point? They need Kelenic more than they need two years of Judge on a mediocre team. Judge for Kelenic makes no sense for Seattle
@Cosmo2- why only 2 years of Judge? The Mariners should sign him to an extension lst for 5 or 6 years. Kellenic isn’t better then Judge and he would just be a piece going back to the Yankees.
Trading for him doesn’t guarantee they will extend him. They’re a young, still somewhat rebuilding team. They need a young, inexpensive, controlled potential stat. Not oft-injured Judge on a mega contract.
Kelenic is ours. Screw off! We don’t need a RF. Mitch Haniger is our guy. JRod is the RF of the future, And Kelenic and Lewis are CF and LF.
Seattle needs infielders. Judge wouldn’t get you Kelenic, Rodriguez, or Lewis anyways. Jerry Dipoto doesn’t take on stupid salaries or players like Judge.
No thanks! Get Bent!
If Haniger keeps hitting like this he’s as good as gone by the trade deadline unless we’re still in contention. Only think going against him in a trade is his age, but he doesn’t have the miles on him that lots of younger players have. And get bent? Are you 13?
Funny thing is that the Mariners are an organization headed in a great direction… but short-sighted thinking would have them trade away future talent for players that will be too expensive and aging when the window actually opens up. Patience, grasshopper, or something.
Most teams have guys they drafted as starters in their pen. We have C Rod in that mold and that’s it.
The complete failure to draft and develop talent tre last decade shows in so many ways.
The pen is a unique position. You don’t have to spend a lot of money. You don’t have to commit long term money, and you can’t set it and forget it. It has to be a priority every year and not an after thought, it takes a lot of work, brains and savy and the good teams know this.
The Angels have never made it a priority. You’d think they would wake up.
How about Shane Greene for the Halos pen problems?
Acquisitions this late almost never work out. The time to attempt to address the pen was last winter.
It may not have worked out, it would have taken a little money and a lot of skill, but they didn’t even try.
Depending on released players and minor league contracts wasn’t a plan, it was a prayer.
This pen is a predictable mess.
You sure called this one, @Halo11.
I’ve checked some Angels games. Or pieces anyway.
Watched Arihara throw against them, because I am pretty interested in his style of pitching. True to advertisement he threw 7 distinct – perhaps 8 (2 different change ups?) – viable ML pitches. Kept the Angels off balance. Wanted to see him face Ohtani so bad.
Alas.
Madden doesn’t seem to know if Iglesias is his closer or fireman. Tough spot. Watson looks fine & solid. Chisek couldn’t find the plate when I saw him. Claudio…mmmmm…good loogy? I guess?
Needed one more arm with some sizzle.
& I don’t think Shane Greene is that guy either.
I can’t think of anything that’ll demoralize a ball club more/faster than a shoddy pen. Everyone does their job & then it’s wasted.
*Almost* as bad as a kicker blowing a game in football.
I’ve Seen it, what, 3 games in a row given away?
The starters are good but this bullpen is not getting the job done. CRod will be the closer before long. Is he ready?
Rodriguez is going to be one of the foundational pieces. Mayer has value, but fly ball pitchers cannot come in the game with men on base. Watson has value. Iglesias gets the ninth.
They’ll figure it out, but they will continue to blow games until they do.
What do you know, Maddon figured it out, that’s exactly what he did.
The Angels problem is the inability to draft and develop pitching. You aren’t going to win when you are dependent upon lottery tickets and pitchers way past their prime. This is the recipe for failure.
I really think they should be patient with Kelenic. Lewis, Trammell, and Haniger are more than an adequate trio to handle the OF for most, if not all of the season. Kelenic barely has any playing time above A-Ball. Let him get more playing time at AA and AAA before making the call to promote him. Juan Soto-like players are the exception, not the norm.
They will probably trade Haniger this year tbh.
Doubt it. 30 year old vets aren’t fetching very good return rates. And Dipoto has also stated he will “NOT” trade Haniger unless he’s blown away. Mitch is the type of player you look to acquire when building a core.”
Worry about you’re own team, forget about ours!
#SeaUsRise
Honestly Trammell does seem a bit lost at the plate but being that it’s his rookie campaign, I’m more than okay to suffer the growing pains with him. I don’t want Kelenic called up prematurely as a knee jerk reaction to a 25 game sample. He needs meaningful development, and if he’s called up and doesn’t play daily, it’s a waste.
“Juan Soto-like players are the exception, not the norm.” I think this idea can be expanded to a lot of situations where people just tend to assume that because one dude did it, X player can do it too, without realizing just how rare the Juan Soto types are.
There are actual examples of service time manipulation. Kris Bryant is clearly the most notable and prominent example but now every time a top prospect is optioned, we call service time manipulaiton. People were calling service time manipulation on the Royals for optioning Bobby Witt even though he has less than 200 professional plate appearances. Wander Franco doesn’t even have a plate appearance above A-Ball, yet there were still a few people saying the Rays were manipulating service time on him when they optioned him from their Spring Training site.
If Kelenic gets called up in like May and struggles through his first 150-200 plate appearnces, I guarentee you that some of those people saying that he was ready and needs to come up will be saying he’s a bust and it’ll be a Jo Adell 2.0 situation. More will go right if you let Kelenic get nearly a full season’s worth of development in the upper minors.
Wrong. Trammell is clearly lost at the plate. He needs to be sent down to keep working instead of striking out 75% of the time and constantly getting into 0-2 counts
Yankees missed the boat on getting value back for Judge. Now they’re pot committed.
Judge was never going to age well and with Stanton already in the lineup Cashman should have pulled the trigger on a deal going into the 19-20 offseason. Yes, it’s easy to say this now but the writing was on the wall; Judge is a big dude and the chance of him staying healthy as he aged was not good.
Why would they trade a 28 y.o. all star caliber outfielder if they were expecting to win? Unless it resulted in an ARod type deal (elite player under contract) it would hardly ever be considered. The risk of keeping Judge, even now, is worth north more to the Yanks than most other teams.
In 2050 the A’s will still be “exploring” a ballpark site in Oakland and rumored to be moving if things “don’t work out”
Everyone does realize the Olney article is BS. first the Angels really don’t need him and the angels don’t have players that will help. Plus fan backlash on dumping judge would be terrible PR. Unless involved multiple players the conversation never happened.
The degree to which Yankees fans overvalue the talent on their roster is comical.
Judge had an other-worldly 2017, but has been just above average since then, when he hasn’t been on the IL. The fact the Yankees were listening to offers means the team may not be assured of keeping Judge past free agency. He’ll earn $13M to $18M in arbitration for 2022, and the Yankees will decide to replace his production with some 1st year player. And that player will be touted by Yankees fans as the logical successor to Mantle.
I agree with your first statement, but your follow up is just factually incorrect. He had 5.1 and 4.6 fWAR seasons following 2017 (150 wRC+ and 141 wRC+), that’s more than, “just above average”. There is enough reason to limit the value that Judge would have without being dishonest about it.
@GeoKaplan, Judge is literally 10th (145) in wRC+ since 2018. Also is 2nd (38) in DRS while only 14th in Innings for RF since 2018. Injuries an issue… absolutely. Slightly above average since 2018…wholly ignorant.
Regarding the A’s ballpark proposal, I used to think the phrase, “It takes money to make money” meant using your own money to invest and reap the potential benefits. Professional sports team owners have shown that’s not the way it has to be, not when they can get foolish sycophants, a.k.a. politicians, to buy them stadiums.
I understand the A’s are “only” asking the city for $855M of the $12 price tag, but that’s still a massive handout, and I’m glad the mayor called it such. I’m okay with the government helping with related infrastructure improvements, since the public will benefit from them, but I’ll be very happy when governments put a permanent stop to the giveaways to teams. I hope that trend already has begun.
Angels: Hi Mets, is Alonso available?
Mets: No, why don’t you call the yankees about Judge
Angels: OK
Arte will never get it…. seems he’s perfectly fine toiling in his stupidity
Yanks will let Judge walk unless they can get a small/low risk hometown discount with some team options
Arte Moreno is the epitome of the “one dumb owner.”
He really is…… you have to wonder if he even cares about winning or if he just cares about making a splashy splash
Angel fans hold some of the lowest expectations around which helps- Its always sunny in Socal
Too my pinstripe brothers…it is time we face up to the fact that our team is overrated.
Overrated can be based on a player that is just overrated in talent (also known as perception)…OR might have the talent but just cannot stay on the field due to injuries…..
So how many players to we have that are either Great or very very good? So here we go with just some of teh players.:
GREAT
Judge: Incredibly talented great player….just has trouble staying on the field….season still young though
LeMahieu….not much to say here
VERY GOOD ?
Urshela….maybe very good….but far from great
Stanton….when healthy a lethal bat (only)……ahhh but when healthy…enough said
TOO EARLY TO CALL
Frazier
OVERRRATED
Hicks…..
Gleyber..somebody needs to show him how NOT to swing for the seats every time. He is becoming borderline horrible too quickly
HORRIBLE
Sanchez…..Not even a bench player
Gardner …..Bench player
Tauchman…..Bench player
Of course there is Luke Voit……..will he become the next potato chip????
Real good hitter when on the field…..
Pitching staff is a whole nother story…
This is a sad team is not built for any successful Post season…..
Great post and I agree with whole thing until that last sentence !!
I think they kinda are built for postseason its the 162 that scares me with them
Hey Cap.
My comment on how they are not built for a SUCCESSFUL (consistent play over the course of FOUR series….Wild card, League Divisional, League Championship, and of course the WS)…….is a simple formula.
For the most part, the other Post season teams will have great pitching or at the least very very good pitching.
That shuts down any kind of great or very very good hitting.in their tracks.
The Yankees are built on Homeruns, period….. Batting averages and OBP% are no where…..Their hitting is nothing more than a bunch of fishes flailing away at masterful pitching…both SP and RP..
Now the reverse:, their Pitching.
Besides Cole…who steps out and shuts down the great hitting teams? Who and where is a Post season number 2 or even a 3?
Now it is true this could be somewhat of a grey area…..and there are enough guys that COULD step up and shine….Kluber, Taillon, German, and Montgomery could wind up being one of those guys but so far after only 4 starts their combined ERA is 5.50. YES I know a small sample size but still….
Then there is Severino. Who knows what he is when he comes back (or even where NYY will be in the standings by then)….., Deivi, Schmidt, and others…all nice names BUT…..
Cashman holds onto these prospects until it is too late…..
We happen t have just about one of the best bullpens in baseball and that is without Britton to this point. (BUT you need to have the lead to even get to them)
Boone has got to go……and they should have traded Sanchez and/or Torres when they had the chance….but now after only 20+ games, their respective values have actually dropped…
I will click my heels twice and maybe be proven wrong. I would love that…..but right now without any changes I am just not confident, at all.
@Yank76, I hear you. I’m not quite as pessimistic at this point. As the offensive woes continue I’m more apt to think Thames and Boone need to go. I’m starting to believe that leadership and approach are a bigger problem than anything else.
@yankee766766 I agree the Yankees are overrated. Way too many close your eyes and swing as hard as you can guys on the team. I expect they will do better once they start facing some mediocre pitching like the Orioles or even the Angels. I do not see them competing with the other playoff teams.
The east coast biased media tries to put the Yankees on par with the Dodgers, but I do not see it looking from all possible angles. The team I see giving the Dodgers the biggest challenge is within their own division, the Padres. If not the Padres the only thing that could stop the Dodgers in injuries like they currently have.
I’ll bite here.
Judge is Stanton, and Stanton is overrated. Neither stays on the field, neither offers much beyond power. These are dudes who win you regular season games, but vanish in the playoffs when the game changes and you’re playing for situational runs.
DJM is great, but that contract is going to be a disaster. Too many years.
Urshela is a dog, and I love it. He and DJ are the only guys I trust to put the bat on the ball when you need to move a runner.
Hicks is an abject disaster. And this political stunt that he just pulled should have been the final straw. I defended him for years as a switch hitter at a premium defensive position who offered value in a bunch of ways, but there’s no getting around the fact that he’s constantly hurt, and also seems distracted now.
Boy, remember when you could have traded Torres for just about any player in the game? Those days seem gone.
Sanchez, just meh. I’m piling on at this point.
This roster makes me LONG for the days when the Yankees traded their top prospects for players from other organizations who had a CHANCE of actually knowing how to play the game of baseball.
Seems like now, even when they do that (Torres, Frazier) those players quickly take on the all-or-nothing, dead-pull-slugger mentality that absolutely decimates this team’s chances of winning a post-season series.
I’m not a Yankees fan, but if they can get a Wild Card, Cole can get them to the ALDS. At that point, anything can happen if a couple of bats get hot.
Indeed ….its insane we still have 5 game series to determine 162 in this day and age
Makes a true SP1 always worth his weight in gold
One of my biggest fears for LAA too is….. Ok they sail the vast 162 sea but whoes on the hill game 1 & 5 come the reckoning ?
Judge is 29 and every year since his 52 homer year his numbers are going down. Ryan Howard type decline
Basically if I’m Mike Trout I would try to force a way to the Yankees. All this losing should be getting to him by now. Judge, Schmidty, Deivi and others would be in play for the Halo’s who definitely need starting pitching to compete. I’m sure the Yankees wouldn’t have any bones paying Trout’s contract.
Yeah no bones about paying Trouts contract..unless the last name is Steinbrenner. George turning over on his grave right now
I know the injuries are a problem but Judge is the kind of guy I want to see spend his career in pinstripes
My honest guess is that the ask would have been something centered around the idea of:
Judge for Dylan Bundy
And that the way that ended up “working” involved Jo Adell from the Angels and something involving either King, Deivi Garcia or Clarke Schmidt.
Knowing Cashman, the offer was Judge and Schmidt for Bundy and Adell, and the Angels probably wanted Garcia or BOTH King and Schmidt, and maybe something else.
I’m not personally high on Adell, but the entire rest of the game of baseball is, so I can see why that would be the ask, and also why the Angels just couldn’t let it go that easily.
You don’t trade players, you trade contracts.
My guess is Adell WAR will be at least 1.5 times greater than Stanton’s WAR from this point forward until their current contracts expire. I would not be surprised if more than twice as high.
If that’s the case, why would you trade Adell for Stanton straight up?
I’m very happy keeping both Marsh and Adell.