APRIL 22: The Padres do not plan to send Lamet for an MRI, Acee tweets. He’s likely to go on the injured list, though.
APRIL 21, 10:50 pm: Lamet is presently considered day-to-day but he’ll head for an MRI to determine the extent of the injury, manager Jayce Tingler told reporters (including Craig Elsten of 619 Sports and Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune).
4:18 pm: Padres right-hander Dinelson Lamet made his much-anticipated 2021 debut on Wednesday against the Brewers, but it didn’t last long. Lamet left with forearm tightness after two innings and 29 pitches, the team announced.
Lamet spent the past several months recovering from a UCL strain – an injury that brought a premature end to his breakout 2020 season. Prior to Wednesday, he hadn’t taken the mound for the Padres since Sept. 25 of last year. The hard-throwing Lamet ended last season with stellar numbers – a 2.09 ERA/3.16 SIERA with a 34.8 percent strikeout rate in 69 innings – and could help form an elite foursome alongside Yu Darvish, Blake Snell and Joe Musgrove if he’s able to recover quickly and stay healthy for the remainder of the season. Of course, that’s now up in the air in light of Wednesday’s news, which is especially troubling when considering Lamet previously underwent Tommy John surgery in 2018.
If Lamet does have to miss more time, it would be the second shot to the Padres’ starting depth this week. The team learned Tuesday that lefty Adrian Morejon, who began the year in their rotation, will undergo TJ surgery. Even without Lamet and Morejon, San Diego could still form a capable five-man starting staff with Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Chris Paddack and Ryan Weathers. However, there’s no doubt the Padres are a better team with a healthy Lamet, who finished fourth in National League Cy Young voting in 2020.
That is so unfortunate.
Called it. Dude needed tj last year and padres just ruined his career
How would delaying a second Tommy John by several months ruin his career more than if he’d had it last fall?
He was rushed with forearm tightness several times last year, padres ran him out there desperately to make postseason.
That doesn’t really answer gbs42’s question. What does 8 months matter?
Rushing instead of allowing an injury to properly heal often can lead to chronic pain. If you don’t take proper treatment at the initial injury, you’re making it worse for yourself long-term 99% of the time. It has nothing to do with the eight months and everything to do with (apparently) not taking proper care of it to begin with.
Getting the second Tommy John is career altering. Look at the rate at which those return after the first one versus second.
You nailed it, my group of baseball fanatics have similar opinions.
Speculation. The court will not allow
Sorry but our team is going for it. There are no sacred cows in the game. We play and we play hard.
And it’s sad he just had tj in 2018. Second time makes it harder
Jonny Venters had 3 TJ surgeries and kept pitching.
You and everyone else called it, except for the Padres apparently. What a joke.
I’ve never played professional baseball nor have I had TJ surgery before but by all accounts its a rigorous and difficult rehabilitation. Short of retirement, I imagine I would do everything in my power to avoid it a second time.
It’s quite possible the guy refused to do surgery again without trying rest and treatment first.
This is awful. Lamet could have been the difference maker.
Welllllll………
Tj for sure
Sounds like the next update on this cat is that he’s having Tommy John
Unfortunate… Although he looked pretty good in those 2 innings. Struck out 4.
this is very sad but i think it’s what everyone predicted
Can anyone name an MLB medical staff worse at handling injuries than the Padres?
Angels
But yes, Padres seem to continue doing this same thing to same results
Angels, but it’s close.
Interesting to look back at the A’s in the past 20-25 years, and the extraordinarily LONGGGGGG list of arms that they have absolutely abused and misused. The Angels and Padres are more fresh in the memory, but I think both pale in comparison to the names and young talented arms the A’s have wasted.
And we wonder why ni pitchers want to sign with them lol
I’d guess because they never spend any money. Always a bottom-tier payroll. The A’s largest traditional free agent commitment ever has been Billy Butler ($30 million in 2015) while their largest total deal was Eric Chavez’s $66 million dollar extension in 2004. That’s the lowest “largest free agent deal in team history” in baseball and third lowest high commitment in baseball.
I’m not sure how much a medical staff has to do with team injuries. Lots of different factors in play.
But: the ’19 Yankees set – rather dubious & undesirable – records in re to both number of different players to be placed on the IL & total time missed.
The argument could be made…
Injuries surely happen to every team. But the Padres just wasted 6-7 months of rehab time with Lamet. He was saying all Spring that by not pitching in the post season he avoided TJ. Who told him that?
They toyed around TJ the first 5 years of Jose Castillo’s career, They kept him “healthy” enough to pitch about 4 innings during that time, and then he needed the surgery anyway.
Dusty Baker deserves a drop
Absolutely killed Prior and Wood –
2 of the most exciting young players at the time
The Yankees, this exact same thing happened with Severino in 2019 but he didn’t end up having the surgery until spring of 2020 for whatever reason.
Yankees…. It’s a contractual requirement that you take at least 1 IL trip per season.
Nope. What an absolute joke! Every man and his dog was predicting TJ for Lamet at the end of last season, and the Padres just denied it over and over. This legit makes me angry. Complete idiots! Should have just given him the TJ at the same time as Clev and at least had him back for 2022. Now it could be 2023. What a shitshow, so poorly handled!
Teams can’t just “give”players TJ surgery. Players ultimately make their own decision.
Yeah Clevinger coming over been huge bust. Watch Darvish and/or Snell go down soon too.
A.J. Preller’s San Diego Padres?
The Mets
Sure, the Rangers. They have a handful of TJ’s every year.
See you in Cooperstown Dinelson……
……tickets are $24.99
Pleeeease keep using the same joke whenever a player gets injured. At least the third time I’ve seen you use it this week and it definitely gets funnier every time.
This is terrible. He already had TJS a couple years ago. Can’t catch a break With Lamet, Morejon, Castillo or Espinoza
Castillo needed the surgery like 10 years ago and the ace medical staff thought it would go away if they just kept creating new names for his injury.
If Padres players spent as much time taking care of their bodies and staying healthy that they do working on being “swaggy” and getting more bling-bling, they’d be in much better shape than they are now. Instead of Instagram pictures of sports cars, I want to see them working out.
Just to be clear, you are saying that guys that work out don’t ever need TJ?
I think he’s just saying that he likes to watch dudes work out. That’s what I took from that post.
As did I 1984. Probably every reader did. BTW, 1984, your post is nominated for post of the year.
Hello, Topps. I’ve got a wonderful idea for a baseball card set.
I can’t wait to get my hands on 21-22 Topps Homer Hunks featuring workout-used jock straps
They need to cure in a Rockies humidor
But the swag can be quite motivational. Just ask Trent Grisham, the 2020 Dodgers MVP.
2019 Nationals MVP*
Egon Spengler dishing out the racism once again.
I remember 6 days ago some were asking if it was too soon to bring Tatis back. Those questions were beaten back by the “I’m sure the medical staff knows better than we do” crowd. Interesting.
Tatis situation is completely different.He needs surgery at some point regardless.If he has it now he misses the entire season.If he can manage it and play “decent” he can have it after the season.Playing with this issue is NOT going to make the surgery any worse.It’s have it now or have it later already.
Did the Padres medical staff tell you that?
Regardless of whether the surgery is inevitable bringing him back the way they did (after 11 days, so he could make a series with the Dodgers in April) is questionable. Honestly what does it hurt to keep him out another week?
He hasnt managed to be anywhere close to decent so far….
To be fair, he was equally as bad before the injury this year.
At this point, how do you trust the Padres medical staff’s report to the media? The amount of qualified language that was thrown into every Tatis comment from a doctor was extremely telling
Here’s what they aren’t saying. If Tatis fully tears his labrum because he can’t listen to doctors orders, he could be out 12-18 months OR MORE just for rehab. There is a very real risk that he further injures himself. It took 6 innings for him to dive vs LA in game 1. He isn’t being cautious and to me and many many others, they’re playing Russian Roulette with his shoulder
I’d suspect Tatis can’t weight train like he normally would. So it wouldn’t be surprising if he lost a fair bit of muscle mass even though we’re not very far into the year. I didn’t see him pre injury (back in ST) so hard for me to say. But I thought I remember he came pretty jacked to camp
Honestly, i hope they don’t rush Gore/push Weathers harder now. But I can’t say I’m confident that will be the case, either
@MrPadre – As a former pitcher and two time labrum surgery patient you couldn’t be more wrong. Fixing a small labrum tear is much easier than fixing a large one. I chose to have my small labrum tear trimmed instead of repaired. It bought me two more seasons until I shredded it, requiring 9 anchors in my shoulder to fix it. End of career right there! If I had fixed it the first time (instead of being stubborn) I could probably still throw and bat pain free. I wasn’t close to MLB talent but I could have finished my college career at least.
Tatis can actually still be optioned to the minor leagues. After his contract, if he claims to be fully healthy, there is an expectation that he has to start performing to previous standards… if he wants to stay in the Major Leagues. If he’s not healthy, then he was lying to the team and they should be able to void the contract or reduce its value.
Yeah, tell us that works out.
The team already said they knew of the shoulder issues, going back to his minor league days. Which makes the decision to give him $340 million a really genius move……….
Look at all the errors and issues Tatis, Jr. is having since his injury. But the Padres medical staff says he’s good to go. Hahahahaha Yeah, right!
Tatis had plenty of errors and issues before the shoulder…. the injury is just a convenient excuse at this point
TINSTAAPP strikes again
Wow. Second TJ is less than 3 years. Not a good sign for Lamet. Such a shame to see…
I worry about this bullpen over the long haul
Getting taxed heavily already and its only 4-21
They 100% are going to need a swing man to give them greater length now. What’s R.A Dickey up too these days ?
I was saying over the winter how awful this would be one of the stories of the 2021 season. Now they’ll be calling up kids who had no minor league season at all in 2020. This is why Bauer was indeed the premiere FA. He gives you innings (now watch him go down as well).
Back in the 60s, Koufax and Drysadale’s careers ended prematurely due to Alston’s overuse, but at least they were pitching 300 innings. Now the burnout total is half that. We’ve come a long way since Sandy was burying his left arm in an ice bucket, though apparently not long enough.
Baseball needs to figure this out, a real mess. Maybe robot pitchers?
Idk if there’s anything MLB can really do specifically. This really goes back to how often kids are pitching when they’re younger, throwing more breaking/off-speed stuff, and doing it all year around up through their late-30’s. Today, when you turn 10, you’re already throwing to other kids. Then by the time you’re 13, you’re doing things like fall ball, baseball camps/clinics in the winter and then start training more when you get into high school and college. You continue doing that until you’re a pro when you have an everyday workout regime and routine. By the time a pitcher is 25, you’re talking about potentially a dozen plus on the arm already.
Yes, a complex problem and all of that needs to be looked at. Over the years, there have been so many opinions on how often kids should throw/.pitch. It is now 2021 and we still don’t know. I agree that there’s nothing specific that MLB can do. But they need to be part of the process because they’re paying these guys a heck of a lot of money. Most likely, there won’t be a one-size-fits-all solution. Tough on us fans.
Nabil Crismatt and Jordan Humphreys are in house options for that role. Nick Ramirez gave them two solid innings I think yesterday.
They can also bring up Gore or pick up a cheap 5th starter and move Paddack or Weathers to the long relief role.
Cey Hey – I’ve been strongly advocating extending the rosters too add an extra 2 arms to then pen for awhile now – Can function sorta how basketball has 2 spots designated for “two way” players
Baseball is always painfully and slowly reactive compared to proactive tho so its gonna take a buncha arms being junked before we see the light
Bullpens are already nine deep on many teams. We don’t need more pitchers and 4-hour games. I don’t know if there’s a way to de-emphasize max velocity and spin. I’m no doctor, but those seem to be leading to more and more injuries.
What a joke of an organization. Padres are probably planning on having him back for the series against the Dodgers. With franchise player Tatis and his torn labrum going 0-5 daily they will be unstoppable.
No need, I heard Clevinger was going to be ready for a start this weekend. Record recovery time from TJ, because Padres.
I worry about this bullpen over the long haul
All bullpens. Relievers are being used at a record rate. Getting back up to speed after a 60-game season with no minor leagues was never going to easy. Teams need to walk the tightrope between getting starters at full strength and not burning out their bullpen by June. It’s a strange time to be a baseball fan. The next time you refresh MLB Trade Rumors, you might learn that one of your team’s pitchers has been added to the list.
Meanwhile, strikeouts again on the rise as baseball experiments with pushing the mound back, which you’d think would lead to even more injuries when pitchers are asked to adjust. A tough era for p[itchers with no concrete answers for reversing the injury and strikeout trends.
Longtimecoming and Hudson6 where are you?
Like normal human beings they’re probably saddened for Lamet.
If they are going to lay it all so vehemently on the line and spar with me in the comments section only to end up with egg on face they will hear about it.
Warped man. This article is about a young guys career being threatened, why try to make it about your petty trolling games?
Because they chose to be complete a-holes to me for speaking the truth about Lamet! And on the last thread, Longtimecoming decided it was a good idea to mute me and still talk smack. Which by the way, that’s pretty cowardly right there. You can mute someone or talk smack about them. Not both.
Most Padre fans I read here seem to show awareness of Lamet’s tenuous and serious situation, those guys included. There may be shared blame within Padres org but 2nd TJS vs experimental rehab were both undesirable options and from my sources within Padre team it was Lamet who strongly opted for the rehab course.
I don’t care to police the exchanges here, at all, but when it’s a sad health report or major injury news it just seems wrong to hit that organization or player or fans when they’re down.
Never trust anyone who claims to have “sources within x team.”
Just hit the mute button and Shut the h*ll up already.
“ Longtimecoming decided it was a good idea to mute me and still talk smack.”
That’s some childish *ish right there. Why does the internet turn grown men into 15 year old girls with the same boy crush?
awful news but really not surprising the hear.
@Dunkington –
Ya know I’m such a damned optimist that…well, I actually am surprised. We just had an article on the Padres activating him ffs.
So I was excited he made it back.
Was glad to see some “good” injury news for a change.
Alas.
I am left with; “now what”?
Jeeez. I’ll never learn, man.
well…
I cant remember PRP injections ever working out. Always ends up in a TJ, just 6 or 8 months later. Bad thing, this probably costs Lamet all of ’22 as well.
This guy was probably damaged before he was ever drafted. Throwing a baseball is extremely hard on the entire body, and they’re doing it without perfect mechanics. The organization really isn’t to blame, other than being unlucky in picking talent. Kerry Wood threw across his body; he was destined to breakdown. Mark Prior threw from a flex T, or inverted W position, another mechanic Not built for longevity.
As fans, we look at certain pitchers and can correctly predict it. It’s as if they should just get the TJ Surgery immediately after the draft.
Everyone throws so hard today. And unlike the 60s and 70s when I was growing up, in today’s lineups every batter can take you deep. The result is higher emphasis on strikeouts and otherwise not allowing the ball to be put in play. Strikeouts 9.2 per 9 innings so far this year. By mid-decade, it will be at 10. Anxious to see if baseball finds a solution. In the meantime, we know 2021 is going to be a nightmare.
Lamet leaving with forearm tightness is a surprise to nobody. I was also met with pitchforks and torches with my views that the Padres had the most overrated offseason in recent memory. Nothing wrong with a little patience. The Padres were NOT ready to be World Series title contenders this year!!! They made the playoffs in an abbreviated 60-game season. Should the Red Sox open the checkbook and empty the rest of the farm system because they are off to a hot start this year??? If this was a 60-game season they would be playoff-bound. The Padres needed another year to see what they had and what they didn’t have in terms of young talent and especially pitching. A.J. Prellar is fool!!! Yet the media makes him into a hero. Who signs Eric Hosmer and Will Myers to long term deals?? A.J. Prellar!! Clevinger injured. Lamet injured. Morejohn injured. Snell injury will be coming. Mackenzie Gore appears to be way overrated at this point and also appears to be an injury waiting to happen. Farm system is now average after all the trades. Position players were always lacking after Tatis and Machado. Tatis now appears to be a bit fragile. Good luck with the next 14 years. A.J. Prellar is a fool!!! Chris Paddack now stuck in the rotation. Guys ….. bet against Paddack EVERY time he takes the mound! That bet will cash 80% of the time.
Harsh take. I’m not as bullish as you but I think they realistically had a 2 year window with all healthy arms. With salary cap likely staying or going down and all there arms needing long term deals in a year or 2 it looks bleak. Wanted it to be a nice rivalry but it looks like padres were just hot for 62 games
Who’s A.J. Prellar?
If that’s not a rhetorical question….he’s the Padres general manager aka the guy who put the team together
His off-season moves drew an A grade but his name lacks an “a”
@dodgerfan83 r/whoooooooooooosh
lol “most overrated offseason” and the first empirical piece of evidence used for argument are decisions made 4 offeasons ago (“who signs Hosmer and Myers to long term deals?”). I have my evidence-based reasoning pitchfork out for you, bud.
It’s just forearm tightness, don’t rush to conclusions.
Padres front office checking in at MLBTR comments. Solid.
Like I said, as he is not going in for an MRI.
Vegas, he’s not going for an MRI because the arm is so swollen the mri wouldn’t be able to see the ligament damage. He needs 2+ weeks of pain meds to reduce the inflammation, then he’ll get the mri. This is pretty standard with forearm tightness guys
The fact it’s pushed back is not a good sign man. It’s really bad honestly. If there was limited swelling, he’d have the images done ASAP
I agree with whoever it was that said the Padres will find themselves the subject of a UrinatingTree “how they failed” video in like 3 years.
They knew he was a long shot and explains bringing in 3 starters. What’s just as bad there’s very little power in the lineup
what was his velo like during the game??
Lamet pitched very well in the game. He was throwing with great command, and he had 4 strikeouts in 2 innings. His velocity was hovering in the upper 90s, slightly below where he was at last year, but about where you could reasonably expect him to be in his first start of the season. I didn’t notice any warning signs for Tommy John. This isn’t like Morejon where he had horrible command and his velocity was down over 7 mph. Honestly I had no idea he was hurt until the bullpen started warming up.
He was breaking off sliders non stop and then he broke his arm off
29 pitches+gone is not good. It’s amazing they let him throw that many sliders with a barking elbow. Amazingly dumb
Padres are currently soon to be swept at home by the likes of Brent Suter (wears a mask to hit and throws as hard as my grandmother) and Jace Peterson (cast off by many clubs including SD), so despite the loss of Lamet this bunch has much bigger problems right now.
How soon can your grandmother be on a plane to San Diego?
Bill Mckinney, Jace Peterson, Daniel Robertson, Travis Shaw, Dan Vogelbach. The amount of cast offs on this Brewers team in insane. And the supposed superteam Padres can’t even beat them once.
It’s April 21.
Yes, it’s early, but 20 games is enough to start seeing trends and I am very worried that this team isn’t going to give your powerful dodgers even a sweat. Right now they can’t hang with SF. They will be below .500 if they can’t at least win 2 vs dodgers. All facets of SD look horrible right now. At least they finally got a no-hitter.
Just one of those years with injuries.
Tatis Jr should get surgery and heal. Give Kim an extended look at ss.
OF should be Profar, Grisham, Meyers.
If they compete great if not shoot for 2022 with Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Clevinger, Weathers and put Paddack, Lamet, Morejon in the pen.
Paddack replaces stammen spot in pen
Lamet replaces Kela in pen
Morejon replaces Castillo in pen
@ I Beg what makes you think Lamet and Morejon will be ready for any part of ’22???? 16 months for TJ recovery is a little on the short side and that takes you to the last of the ’22 regular season. Pushing either one for the playoffs seems to be more of what got the Padres where they are now….
Long season. We have no idea what the full fallout will be from the 60-game MLB season with no minor leagues. Dodgers have already lost Gonsolin. Price and Nelson settling in as relievers. They are an SP injury away from rotation depth issues of their own. Bellinger out. I am not a doom-and-gloomer in regard to the Dodgers, but it is a long season and this is going to be for everyone. As a fan, take it 10 games at a time. Let it play out a little, just follow the team. That’s what I always do. The Dodgers aren’t hitting at all right, but I am no panicking. You shouldn’t panic, either. Two well-pitched games and a couple of hot bats can change the way you feel in a hurry. The 2019 Nats had a rash of injuries and started out 19-31. They turned out fine. It seems silly to be excited all winter only to give up in April. Plus, following a baseball team is more than winning or even competing for championships. Keep watching and see how they handle adversity.
12-18 months is typical recovery time.
12 months put us right around this time
16 months put us right around August
18 months they wouldn’t play in 2022.
thescorecrow.com/2018/09/28/tommy-john-surgery-his…
Not counting Morejon or Lamet to be starters in 2022. But they could certainly be weapons in the pen if/when they return in 2022.
While I won’t disagree with you, I really don’t think they can take that approach after the offseason they had and the ticking clock on control over a lot of these guys.
The rotation is all but set
Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Weathers, Clevinger, Paddack as a 6th heading into 2022.
Pen is in tact with Strahm, Pomeranz, Pagan, Williams, Hill, Adams. Theyll supplement the pen signing guys. They may or may not pick up stammens option, Johnson is a free agent as is Kela, and Melancon
Everyone but Pham is back. But profar replaces pham in the OF and Kim fills profars super utility role. They could use a left handed super utility player.
Sucks that injuries are derailing the season so far, but it happens. Tatis Jr should get surgery and rest. Kim gets an extended look. Paddack should work on developing a 3rd pitch.
Oh and get rid of Rothschild. They need a new pitching coach. I wonder what Kerry Wood is up to these days.
Yup, Amk is definitely frustrated. That’s for sure.
Amk is short for amına koyayım, which is Turkish to express feelings of frustration.
It’ll be ok man.
amina koyayim means something else, not PG and sexual in nature. In other news, Turks are still killing Armenians to this day…
Turkish slang
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=amk
Yeah, that’s a lot different than, “express feelings of frustration” isn’t it.
Definitely
Expressing feelings of frustration is like night and day compared to “express that you are frustrated.”
Your obsession with my random user name is strange. The frustrated one is the fan of the team who is about to be swept by a minor league lineup and can’t go a week without a major injury and has to police comment sections to take out that frustration.
More like concerned. Not healthy to go through life frustrated man. Bad for your health. Can cause a lot of issues.
Brent Suter is all kinds of nasty when healthy.
I don’t know how much the struggling Padre bats played into it, but that Milwaukee team seems to have developed one of the top pitching staffs in baseball.
I told you folks the Brewers pitching staff is monstrous and would shock the baseball world. Thought it might take more than a couple of weeks though. Wait till the bullpen comes around, and Yelich-Wong-Cain and Urias are back. Dodgers vs Brewers the real rivalry for the next half decade, at least in the playoffs.
Too bad for the Padres…
UCL Strain??? I know it’s splitting hairs, but healthcare providers hate seeing it reported like this. UCL, ulnar collateral ligament, can sprain… not strain. Straining something involves tendon or muscle. Spraining is for ligaments. Very different injuries and prognosis.
Lamet is an interesting, cautionary (I hope not) story. This is a guy who was never that great in the minors. Some interesting stretches, but nothing special. Was in AAA as long ago as 2016, and came up to the Padres for a bunch of mostly bad starts in 2017. Then had his first TJ surgery in 2018, and came up again in 2019, again to mediocre results. Finally came up again in 2020 and in that short season started throwing very hard sliders constantly and blew people away.
I think you could have looked at that background and put his risk of going down again for another serious elbow injury at a very high level. 2021 is (unfortunately) the exact correct timing for when TJ surgeries tend to fail, when they do. Three years.
If you think Lamet only recently started throwing very hard sliders you haven’t been paying attention. His stuff has always been nasty as can be, his command was the missing link early on..
341 Strikeouts in 258 big league innings. he’s been throwing nasty sliders all along.
I think it’s silly to say this team or that team doesn’t know how to handle pitchers. This is endemic to the sport. Kind of like climate change. But it’s a global change in how pitchers pitch and it’s at least partly a result of favoritism towards the hitters slowly leading to the compromises made by pitchers to get to the majors. Compromises that compromise their bodies. It’s not training or fitness shortcomings. It’s partly genetics, some withstand more than others. I would consider it a systemic problem and one that the game needs to address sooner than later. Sadly, the game is coming up with silly ideas like moving the mound back. A truly pathetic example of their contempt for pitchers.
Moving the mound back…talk about contempt for pitchers.
Is Gore ready for the rotation yet?
Only in the same way that PRP prevents TJS
That bites chunks. Thought I’d at least see him vs LA
Not trying to start a fight, but man did Preller get that extension in on time. For himself. Got it on headlines, not results. Some of those “castoffs” from the last 2 years would prolly be huge helps right now
It also blows me away how clearly different rehab programs are team to team. Some teams have these repeat injuries WAY more than others. So many facets to being successful in this game. Honestly gotta love baseball
Hope he can come back. Return from #2 is not easy
Porcello and others still out there…s d. Near mexico, call bartolo
The Padres should just go ahead and tell the Yankees which players they want them to draft in the 1st round the next three years. Tatis will be demanding a trade in the coming years as he doesn’t want to waste “prime” years losing in San Diego. San Diego has no shot at affording that contract. At some point, sooner rather than later, Tatis will be a Yankee.
Expecting to hear that the Padres are very “in” on Anibal Sanchez in the next day or two…
He’s unfortunately avoiding the inevitable. He needs TJS.
The Padres are 10-10. Going 2-4 on the road trip and 4-2 on the homestand would put them at 16-16 and buy some time. Even 15-17 wouldn’t be a calamity. The sky has not fallen.
Just a reminder for everyone to catch the Dodger/Padre 4 game series starting this Thursday thru the weekend
They only play 3 games vs each other the next 4 months after Sunday….Tune In
TJ Surgery is in the future for Lamet
Why do these writers keep including Paddack as part of a “formidable” padres rotation? The rotation ends at Musgrove as of right now.
No worries. They can simply trade away prospects to add another starter.
2016 called. They said eating a bunch of money on the big contracts, accumulating prospects and calling Preller a genius was also an option.
Why are these guys blowing out their arms? After already blowing out their arms? I don’t get it.
If I’m a team, I almost feel like I’d just not invest a dime into starting pitching and go nuts on the lineup and bullpen.
The strategy of pitching has changed. In the old days, every lineup had multiple Doug Flynn’s who couldn’t go deep if you placed the ball on a tee. Today, every guy in the lineup can hit the ball over the fence. As a result, pitchers are afraid to pitch to contact. Notice all those 0-2 counts that wind up being 7-8 pitch at-bats. Pitchers don’t trust their stuff. The job is to throw as hard you can while in the game. At some point, these arms give out due to the stress. It hurts watching these guys heave the ball toward the plate. So far this year, strikeouts are again at an all-time high. HBPs and wild pitches are also at record levels. I get what you’re saying about the all-reliever thing. Problem is, those guys are dropping like flies, too. It’s all velocity all the time. Whatever happened to changing speeds, keeping hitters off-balance, and trusting your stuff?
Hole, then you’d be Arte Moreno, and even with the best player in baseball, still not be relevant
Pitching is everything. Training and rehabbing players from injuries is clearly something that needs work in SD(and elsewhere, to be fair)
First off, not every TJ “takes”. I think it’s something like a 15% failure rate. But it takes a year to 18 months to ramp up to the level where you know whether it’s a success or a failure. So there’s a big time issue for these pitchers. The second surgery might happen two years after the first one. Then another time lag before you know if it worked. Some guys might even increase velocity because their bodies get stronger over time. My nephew was drafted out of high school in 2017, he’s having his second TJ in May, he has barely pitched two innings in pro ball. But he’s still young and he works really hard. Was hitting 94 MPH before he went down. We’ll see if he makes it back. It’s all he’s wanted to do since he was six. So I can only hope.
2nd TJ procedures seem like they are becoming commonplace now. With how much larger the data pool becomes each year, I wonder if we’re on the cusp of finding out more refined and efficient ways of keeping pitchers off the operating table.
Even if they’re commonplace, there’s really nothing to suggest A. The recovery from #2 has become better or B. They have any way of limiting future TJS. The human body simply has limitations
The numbers are climbing nearly exponentially
Pads have been pushing it all season. First they rushed Tatis, then they left Weathers out on the mound for 2x his career pitch count in an April game vs Dodgers, and now they rush Lamet back.
They seem hell bent on catching the Dodgers in one season but haven’t noticed that part of the reason the Dodgers are a juggernaut is because they don’t make many of these types of mistakes. They’ve been babying Urias’ arm for four years.
Hell-bent is particularly unwise the year after a ridiculously short schedule with no minor leagues. Meanwhile, the Dodgers at three quality vets with a full starter’s repertoire. Bauer, but don’t forget Price and Nelson didn’t pitch in 2020. Both are starting to look very good.
My theory is that if you need to make numerous major moves in a single offseason to contend, you’re really not ready to contend. Depth behind those guys is critically important for the reason we’re discussing. Injuries happen to all teams and you need quality replacements/bench players.
Speaking of the Dodgers and not making mistakes, I feel their biggest edge might be their attention to detail. It’s one thing to have talented young players. But when the Dodgers bring guys up, even the less-talented guys have enough maturity to step in without hurting the team. Luke Raley is an older rookie, but he has enough poise to be suitable for the role where he’s needed. It’s different from other teams, with Jo Adell and Luis Urias being examples. They weren’t ready to take that step at such a young age. Zach McKinstry at age 26 in eight days, no problem. Even younger Dodgers seem more ready once they get the call. Lux struggled last year, but that might be attributable to him getting COVID prior to summer camp. It’s as if they have a conveyer belt of players. Get them fully ready, put a stamp on their forehead, and send them to Los Angeles. As a fa, it is really comforting.
Cey hey, I think it’s very fair to say Preller is very good at building a system thru IFA and very good at making headline trades to fill MLB holes immediately
But he has not proven his system will consistently churn out quality MLB contributors. It’s a multi tiered problem a lot of people talked a lot about. Just because one trade didn’t take Gore or one of the other 4 keepers, it doesn’t mean the net of the trades would not have a very impactful effect. If they had Davies, for example, weathers is not in the rotation only built up to 38 pitches starting vs LA.
And damn. I think they need someone new to read and analyze their MRI’s. Someone, somewhere is not giving good information to decision makers. It’s one thing to lose 3 guys to TJs. But two of them seemed to get suspect recommendations too. That’s not good for business
BeforeMcCourt, Agreed. Organizational depth matters. How many times do we see a team fall completely apart due to a couple of key injuries? The better teams plug the hole and keep rolling, which either buys time until the players return or a deadline deal can be made. As you stated, it helps when players are in their proper place in the tier. With the Dodgers, you can already see them restocking the tier, which will keep them going beyond the current run.
Analyzing MRIs and health data seems to be the key. Friedman and his former team the Rays seem really good at it. Though I realize there was controversy surrounding Snell’s World Series usage, that trade has me watching him closely. It’s as if the Rays have a sixth sense for when to move pitchers, which of course isn’t a sixth sense at all. What are they looking at that other teams aren’t?
“ Though I realize there was controversy surrounding Snell’s World Series usage, that trade has me watching him closely. It’s as if the Rays have a sixth sense for when to move pitchers, which of course isn’t a sixth sense at all. What are they looking at that other teams aren’t?”
Completely agree. Trading with the Rays seems dangerous to get taken. I joke, but I’m also not kidding a little.
Snell really is interesting. The public reasoning Re: 3rd time thru the order seemed legitimate. But watching him more often, he just seems to throw too many pitches in any start. Maybe the Rays tried to change this and couldn’t, so they cashed in before he lost any more value? Maybe it’s that simple?
I do not believe they intentionally trade injured guys, not at all. But yeah. I wonder if they do more preemptive MRIs or something? Truly I don’t know. The Rays track record of trading a guy “just in time” does seem quite strong
Padres seem to have a knack for acquiring those kind of players….
I wasn’t suggesting they trade injured guys; just that they’re looking at some type of data that tells them now is the right time to move on from the pitcher. Pre-emptive MRI is an interesting thought. Regarding data, it seems that teams interpret it differently. Perhaps there’s some sort of trend the Rays see that indicates to them now is the time to move on from this pitcher.
As for Snell’s pitch counts, his are particularly unnerving but it is epidemic in the sport. The saying goes that the most important pitch is strike one. Yet most pitchers seem to approach each at-bat already thinking about strike three. They do everything they can to avoid contact, be it hard or soft. We hear so much nowadays about a pitcher’s ability to miss bats. The result is long at-bat after long at-bat. These pitchers need to stop worrying about home runs and find ways to get batters out via some type of soft contact.
TBC, cey hey, wasn’t trying to imply you thought Rays were trading injured guys. Just wanted it to be clear I wasn’t implying that either
I wonder if Snell had an approach more like a lot of dodger pitchers, weak early contact is better than K’ing every guy… if that would change anything. When I’ve seen him, it always seems like he is trying to K every guy with the perfect edge pitch
People upset with the Pads are failing to realize that any surgery is between the player and the doctors. The Organization isn’t doing anything different than all the others; sometimes, bad things happen and we would seem to have some bad luck going. Do you honestly believe Lamet, Castillo, Sunshine, etc. would be healthy-armed wearing a different uniform? Very silly notion…
You’re not wrong. But there’s clearly a pattern of subpar recommendations being presented to players. Really hard to deny that
Sure seems like they find the one doc who will say rehab will work, that’s the doc the players goes and sees, and then the player agrees to rehab “because that’s what the doc suggested”
See how that works? The team almost always controls MRIS, doctor visits etc. they’re required to do so. Not hard to suspect the GM who’s been suspended for shady medical dealings in the past knows what docs to send his stars to, to get them back on the field quickly
yes, I do, I think if they were on Dodgers they would have a better career.
LOL Padres. Feel bad for the player but laughing at the trash organization with a inferiority comes.
You think 2021 is over? Not even close. The Padres are going to win a lot of games.
Throwing fastballs 90MPH+ is super taxing on the arm. Add Larry Rothschild and his way of needing 60% sliders because, “fastballs get hammered” and you put even more strain on the elbow. Sure Lamet was lights out last year, but this is again the cost. A good pitching coach knows how to relive stress in a pitchers arm through their motion. As pitchers of his past, lead by Sonny Grey have said, “Rothschild sucks.” Bring back DARREN BALSLEY…
Where is DB now anyway? I know they had him working with the minor leaguers last year but was under the impression that was only for 2020 as he was already under contract for that year anyway.
Can you say TJ
Was he throwing with super low effort the whole time he was working his way back from his bicep injury (or whatever it was) or what? It seems weird that he was able to pitch simulated games, play catch, etc. for months, but two innings of MLB action and boom! he’s back on the shelf for who knows how long.
no hard sliders were thrown during rehab
Unfortunately we may have seen the last of Lamet til the All Star break–in 2022…
Someone on here called it, but can’t remember who.
Lame. Lamer. Lamet. The steady progression of woe for hurlers.
Rotation went from “stellar” to “capable” in less than one month.
Gotta love all the experts proud of themselves saying they knew this would happen.Well obviously everyone thought this was a high probability.But man…show some grace and sympathy for this dudes arm and career instead of patting yourself on the back.
Sheesh.
Those things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if you read through the comment section you can actually find many examples of people saying they figured this would be the outcome and then also saying that it sucks for him and they hope it gets better.
I wasn’t referring to them.
Obviously my point was directed to those who were only concerned with letting everyone know that they knew this was coming.
Pretty sure everyone knew this was likely….
The comments on stories like this always spawn medical experts spontaneously, no medical schooling required. It’s practically a miracle.
What the hell are you talking about Blue skies?!?! You didn’t get your Ph.D at Couch Potato University like the rest of us?!?! >=}
Good ol’ Couch U. I can still remember the college cheer, “sit down, lie down, nap, nap, nap!”
Dont have to be a medical expert. Seen a few opt for PRP treatments and it mostly ends in TJ a while later. The poor track record speaks volumes. As far as feeling sorry for him???? Seriously? The dude will be catered to and get the best surgeon money can buy, all the while getting paid. Sheesh yourself.
You don’t often see a guy in the news feed for a story about being activated and another story about being injured.
Sucks for the Padres, but they weren’t going to take down the Dodgers anyway.
Brewers would probably give them Lauer back for just about nothing
With a series against the Dodgers on the horizon it wouldn’t be the worst idea (he has always pitched well against them)
No MRI? Great idea, Padres………Good Lord!
There’s no bad news if you don’t know about it…
Exactly what I thought, and I had to read that line twice. If we don’t have the MRI then we won’t have any doctors to burden us with any more TJ surgery recommendations. We already have enough pitchers out for that reason. Man up, Dinelson, rest for 10 days, and then head right back to that mound.
And pitch 6 good innings
And if you feel any pain or tightness, pitch with your left arm. Hey if Pat Venditte can do it, so can you.
No MRI…. It’s like they want to be ridiculed as incompetent…..
So what determines an MRI vs. no MRI?
Ignorance……
That’s about as succinct and on point as you can get……
Soooooo… He’ll be set for his 2nd TJ surgery by Sunday??
I understand not pushing for TJ right away. But why the hell would you not at least do an MRI? Isn’t having the most information possible the best way to make a smart decision? The padres are absolutely idiots when it comes to these situations. Lamet’s arm and Tatis’s should are both ticking timebombs.
This latest update makes no sense. Why would you not get an MRI if you are placing him on IL?
Plausible Deniability. “Hey, he said he was fine so we ran him back out there asap.”
No MRI? After the team said he would get one yesterday? WTH is going on over there?
Couldn’t a pitcher decide to throw without the UCL attached? I remember Joba still hitting 100 after he tore his UCL.
I mean a lot of pitchers already take heavy duty NSAID injections in-between starts. Considering the graphing becomes more difficult with subsequent TJS, I’m just curious if anyone would rather just beast through the inflammatory pain rather then put in another 15 months of grueling rehab.
Not getting an MRI reeks of smashing your toe and not wanting to take off your sock because you really don’t want to know how bad it is.