The Lexington Legends of the independent Atlantic League announced that they have signed left-hander Tony Cingrani and infielder Jordan Pacheco.
A third-round selection of the Reds in the 2011 draft, Cingrani became a major leaguer a year later and immediately held his own in the majors. To this point, Cingrani has thrown 334 2/3 innings of 4.01 ERA/3.76 SIERA ball between 2012-18 with the Reds and Dodgers, who acquired him from Cincinnati at the 2017 trade deadline. Shoulder problems have hampered Cingrani, though, and he hasn’t pitched in the bigs in the past two-plus seasons.
Pacheco, 35, became a big leaguer when the Rockies used a ninth-round pick on him in 2007. The former catcher most recently appeared in MLB with the Reds in 2016 and has batted .272/.310/.365 in 1,149 PA at the game’s highest level.
I’ve always thought that Jordan Pacheco has an unusually square jaw.
I see what you’re saying but maybe that’s not a bad thing. People seem to listen to guys that have square jaws. I’m not sure why but they do. Maybe they are afraid of what that person might do to them with that chiseled jaw. Hear me out, hear me out. Look at Jay Leno. What would Jay Leno be without a square jaw? Nothing. Look at Superman. What would Superman be without a square jaw? Nothing. Look at Stan from American Dad. What would he be without a square jaw? I’m pretty sure he admits that’s the only source of his power. Then look at all these people with weak jaws and no chins. Nobody listens to those people. They don’t listen because those people don’t mean business. If you aren’t even in the business of having a real chin and a solid jaw… What business could you possibly be in?
See. This Youtube video is proof people listen to guys with square jaws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZvA922kAcg
I don’t know if I would listen to that guy in the video. I would run and hide first.
Pacheco also was a member of Lexington last year.
No he wasn’t, considering Lexington was KC’s Class A team and this guy was never a KC farmhand
The minor league baseball season was cancelled last year and the minor league teams were free to operate independently or in summer collegiate circuits. The Legends linked up with Florence of the Frontier League and the two locations operated a 4-team indy league for one year.
The players had no affiliation with the Royals and were signed off the street for just that season. Brandon Phillips was the biggest name for the Legends, but others like Pacheco suited up.
https://kingsofkauffman.com/2020/11/01/kc-royals-farm-futures-teams-keep-busy/
Former Cardinal great Tony Cingrani.
That’s bizarre.
It says Tony Cingrani has a career WAR of 2.4. I would have thought the sabermetrics and algorithms would have tagged him for a team to pick up since his WAR is above replacement level? Pacheco’s is way below zero, so that one makes sense, but not Cingrani.
Article says “shoulder problems” so that might explain the lack of interest.
Article?
Article is a term used to define any group of words linked together (see Wikipedia or Webster’s for specific definition) to express thought – before you jump In with both feet being critical just to criticize, maybe check yourself. A post qualifies as an “article” by definition. You use your word and I’ll use mine.
I’m sure there are lots of other players with positive career WAR values who haven’t played since 2018. The goal isn’t to play until your career WAR is zero.
That would be bizarre.
That’s why at some point , war is going to be obsolete ! It’s pointless
WAR! Huh! Good God, y’all! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin! Say it again!
After I read this, I got the Rush Hour scene playing in my head.
It will never be entirely accepted by all baseball fans. Being that Bill James invented it in the early 2000s, you can’t properly compare players by era anymore. If Barry Bonds or Ken Griffey Jr. had sabermetrics to obsess over — to get their WAR, UZR, or BLORG7 rating (whatever the latest one was), they wouldn’t have had near the careers that they had.
It’s sad there’s such an obsession when the two biggest sites — Baseball Reference and Fangraphs — CAN’T EVEN AGREE ON HOW TO CALCULATE WAR. There are different formulas for WAR. I don’t even know what bWAR or fWAR is, and I don’t want to know, but when 3.7% of people know how to actually calculate it, come on, simplify it. Nobody needs a complex equation just to figure out if a player is good or not!
Look at Dante Bichette’s 1999 season. .298, 34 home runs, 133 RBI? Looks GREAT, and it was great at the time. Now we have dorks like Bill James saying he was one of the worst players EVER! -2.3 WAR?!? Get out of here with that! I’m tired of it.
https://thegamehaus.com/mlb/dante-bichette-1999-season-defense/2020/03/30/
Sabermetrics and algorithms have messed with players’ minds too much to the point where it’s hard to even play the game. What’s my spin rate? What’s my launch angle? I’m hitting better on the road on Sundays with men in scoring position? Let me stress out trying to figure out what I’m doing differently.
This is also why there are so many more mental problems with today’s players.
Dante Bichette had a WAR that low because of his defense. It’s not all about offense. The article you linked even explains it. Stay ignorant.
But you can’t tell me (or demonstrate) which specific games were lost due to his defense; however, I could point out games that he won with his offense — a game-winning home run, double, sac fly, etc. More games were ACTUALLY won in reality with his offense than were HYPOTHETICALLY lost with his defense.
What ACTUALLY happened, instead of a hypothetical fantasy formula that says what a player is “supposed to be” worth? Let’s step back into reality and watch what actually happens.
Why are you calling defense “hypothetical”? It’s a very tangible part of the game and it has cost teams games when their team has a bad defense.
I get it, you’re very loud and opinionated and intellectually incurious. All of the questions you have… have answers. Very easy ones. You could just Google them.
Why do fWAR and bWAR disagree? Mostly over which fielding and pitching metrics they use. Also fangraphs incorporates pitch framing.
Why does Dante Bichette’s season get downgraded? Well mostly because he played in Coors during the steroid era. So that kind of offense wasn’t rare for the time, and was even less impressive when you consider that Coors didn’t have the humidor and inflated a lot of offensive totals. So him hitting a ton while not fielding well and his team is also getting out hit, isn’t actually that useful! And lo and behold, the Rockies weren’t that good, they finished 72-90
The whole reason we know about Bichette’s 99 season is that researchers use the new ways they have to explore data and find outliers, find new ways of looking at old things. Bichette wasn’t an all star in 99, and in fact the Rockies didn’t think he was all that good. They traded him to the Reds after the season was over. They felt, even back then, that his defense probably was bad enough that his offense wasn’t doing enough to be a contributor. We just have the tools to show it in numbers now.
I feel dumber after reading this. Wow
Using pre humidor offensive numbers to prove your point hahaha. Thanks for the laugh
Every team has an analytics department that delves as deep, if not deeper into the concepts you currently can’t get your head around. Yes, the way every team evaluates is wrong, and you’re right.
Crack open another beer, watch some highlights of the 1998 season, and don’t judge people by your own limitations.
I have to ask. Is your reference to the 1998 season because of his example or just a random point in history? Just curious.
Bill James has nothing to do with WAR
I agree with you
To be fair, BLORG7 was just BLORG6 plus the speed at which the player’s hands move while doing jumping jacks. BLORG8 does a much better job of projecting their actual ability to do calisthenics.