July 28: Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic tweets that the Giants are “backing off” any proposals from the Cubs which center around Bart.
The San Francisco Chronicle’s Susan Slusser recently reported that among Giants top prospects, Bart may be the “most” available, but that doesn’t means the club is flat-out shopping him or willing to include him for a high-priced rental player such as Bryant (or the majority of Chicago’s other trade candidates).
July 27: The Giants and Cubs have had discussions about a possible Kris Bryant trade, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com (Twitter link). Chicago is evaluating San Francisco catcher Joey Bart as a possible part of those conversations, according to Morosi, although he unsurprisingly adds the Giants aren’t likely to give up Bart for Bryant alone.
Bryant has plenty of experience at third base and all throughout the outfield, making him a viable fit on the rosters of plenty of contenders. San Francisco’s expected to get Evan Longoria back from the injured list next month, so the front office is likely eyeing Bryant as a potential outfield pickup. Giants left fielders (primarily Alex Dickerson) have a below-average .214/.288/.395 slash line this season.
Bryant could also offer some cover in center field. Steven Duggar has had a great season, but he’d never before hit at anything near his current .284/.358/.484 clip. Moreover, Duggar’s current .405 batting average on balls in play is unsustainably high, masking an alarming 31.6% strikeout rate.
Finances might be a concern for many clubs interested in Bryant (like the Rays, reported to have had preliminary discussions about a potential deal this morning). The 29-year-old is making $19.5MM this season, his final before hitting free agency. About $7.13MM is still owed for the remainder of the year.
That tab shouldn’t pose much of a problem for the Giants, who have ample financial flexibility. Ownership has previously approved payrolls above $200MM, but their current figure is in the $150-152MM range in the estimation of Cot’s Baseball Contracts and Roster Resource. San Francisco’s nowhere near the luxury tax line, so there should be room for president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi and general manager Scott Harris (a former Cubs’ assistant GM) to spend to upgrade a roster that currently leads the Dodgers by two games in the NL West.
Of course, Bart would be an ambitious ask for less than half a season’s worth of work from Bryant alone (although he is reportedly the most likely Giants top prospect to move in the next few days). The former #2 overall pick hasn’t yet found major league success, but he’s a highly-touted young talent. Baseball America slotted the right-handed hitting backstop as the game’s #22 overall prospect in their updated top 100 list this week. While Buster Posey has catcher locked down at the big league level in San Francisco this year, Bart has had a strong campaign at Triple-A Sacramento. The 24-year-old is hitting .310/.372/.532 in 188 plate appearances, his first crack at the minors’ highest level.
There’s no indication the Giants and Cubs are in specific discussions on players other than Bryant, although it’s possible the sides could work out some sort of package deal. Speculatively speaking, relivers Craig Kimbrel and Ryan Tepera could hold appeal to a Giants bullpen that has pitched well but is generally short on past high-leverage experience. Kimbrel would be the more impactful — but far more expensive — pickup. He’s playing out the season on a $16MM salary (about $5.85MM of which remains), with a $16MM club/vesting option for 2022. Tepera, meanwhile, is making an $800K salary and will reach free agency at the end of the year.
Cubs don’t need a catcher.
They could if they think they can move Contreras. Remember the catching market is kinda weak and there are teams that could probably pay a king’s ransom for a catcher like Contreras
Ugh that would be brutal. Contreras is like the one player I’m desperate to keep.
Trade em all and rebuild with a plethora a prospects like they had in 2015/16!
No kings ransom for any of these free agent to be players. Cubs may get a guy like Bart for Bryant and Baez combined. The days of top prospect s for free agent to be are long gone!
Kimbrel is not a free agent to be.
No chance they package Bryant and Baez and even for a half season Bart plus numerous others would need to come. Former MVP’s that can play 5/6 positions do not grow on trees and demand always dictates the market – someone will overpay for half season of Bryant and I doubt its Farhan.
Technically he has a team option for next year. I believe around 16 million
Contreras is not a FA to be either.
I hope you posted this before the haul the Yankees gave up for Gallo
Yeah that’s why they should hold onto Bart until scherzer is off the market. Washington needs a good catcher.
If the Cubs intend on competing next year trading Contreras makes little sense
They’re not resigning Contreras and Amaya is nowhere close to being ready, so yes they do
Contreras has 1 more full year. If they move on from Rizzo, Baez and Bryant. They need to build around Contreras and Brennan Davis
Bart and Davis
No, they should not.
Tru, but still think Javy will resign. Maybe Rizzo too even tho I’m certainly not opposed from walking away at this point… willy not going anywhere he will be extended. Dh next year get the best prospect you can figure out the rest later
Prospects shouldn’t be acquired for need. You just focus on getting talent. You fill needs through free agency.
“Except when it comes to catchers” is how all 3 of those sentences should have ended.
Make an argument or gtfo
@ Steve Nebraska;
Catchers were always the most important position plyer in MLB. But in today’s MLB, Catchers are even more valuable. It has nothing at all to do with hitting.
o Calling a game and handling a staff.
Pitching staffs used to be 10 guys. Now most teams carry 13. During the season pitchers care called up, traded for, and signed off the waiver wire 3-4 times week. (Example – It’s July 28, the Braves have had 27 Pitchers throw innings for them this year.) The Catcher has to work with the Coaches to understand how each Pitcher is to be worked with and brought along. The mental aspect of Catching is unlike any position in MLB.
o Playing Defense.
Pitch Framing and throwing out base stealers mean next to nothing. Stats count the number of pitches out of the strike zone the ump calls a strike – they don’t subtract the number of pitches in the strike zone the ump calls a ball. Runners steal bases on the Pitcher.
Pitchers are throwing more and more hard breaking balls that hit the dirt. Therefore, blocking balls in the dirt is the most important quality in Catcher defense. If a Pitcher doesn’t have confidence in his Catcher doing so, he’ll shake off signs to throw a hard breaking ball low with a runner on 3rd in a close game – meaning he’s not using his best pitch option. How do you measure that with a statistic?
o Getting beat up physically. No other position in MLB has guys that retire whose fingers are permanently crooked, along with aches and pains throughout their bodies the rest of their lives.
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I’m watching what the Pirates are doing. Ben Cherington is sharp. He has a sensational Catcher now in Stallings. He took one with the top pick in the draft. He’s loading up on young Catchers during this rebuild as he trades off veterans. It takes years to train Catchers. You need good ones to win. And if you have extra good ones, they can always be traded to get quality back.
None of that addresses the original point. Acquire talent, solve needs later. It just explains why catching is important. SS is important. Pitchers are important. Why does catching get special pleading?
The people in this thread are saying the Cubs don’t NEED a catcher. I am saying who cares about needs? If a catcher is the most talented player you can get, you get him. Nothing you said does anything to disagree with that.
Are you the kid in school who instead of answering the actual question just wrote a lot of random facts down about the reading in hopes the teacher gave you half credit? I’m sorry you wasted your time with that needlessly long post.
Even though it is completely off-topic, I want to address a few of the points you made for being absolutely incorrect since I got some free time at work this morning.
1. Pitch Framing and throwing out base stealers mean next to nothing.
No, this is almost entirely what catchers are judged on. Austin Barnes has a job for these two reasons alone. Roberto Perez and Austin Hedges have been starting catchers because of it. Pitch framing and baserunner management are two of the most important factors in grading how good a catcher is defensively.
2. Blocking balls in the dirt is the most important quality in Catcher defense.
Wrong again. Blocking the ball is a good quality for catchers to have, but it is by no means the most important. More and more catchers are catching from one knee which makes it much harder to block, but much easier to frame pitches. Why do you think that is? You think the majority of major league teams would purposely make their catchers worse at the most important aspect of catching and better at a meaningless aspect of catching? Nah. It is probably just that you have no idea what you are talking about.
3. No other position in MLB has guys that retire whose fingers are permanently crooked, along with aches and pains throughout their bodies the rest of their lives.
Thanks to Buster Posey, catchers don’t have to worry about those type of injuries. Yes it is still a more physically demanding position, but any catcher born after 1985 wont have these extreme issues anymore.
4. And if you have extra good ones, they can always be traded to get quality back.
That is literally my entire point. Done.
I wanted to make it clear that catcher injuries are down thanks to Scott Cousins, not Buster Posey. If you watch the video replay, Posey gave him plenty of room to score and he easily could have if he wasn’t so preoccupied with steamrolling Posey.
It directly addresses the point.
Why is Catching important? Did you read what I wrote? It’s because pitching is the most important aspect of a teams success, and Catcher are the ones between the expanded pitching coaching staffs and the man on the mound. The Braves pitching stinks this year because they never had a good Catcher to work with their pitchers.
Of course SSS is important. I would argue that the mental challenge of the position is just as important as the physical as the SS in moving on every batted ball if a runner is on base. But his responsibilities pale in comparison to the amount of preparation a Catcher has to do each game – and the Catcher is active on every single pitch in the game…..from multiple pitchers. There is no comparison to any other position on the team.
Quality Catchers make an entire pitching staff better. And poor catchers hurt a staff. I think you’ll find that most MLB FO’s agree with what I wrote – particularly those that are constant winners. It’s why so many with quality #2 Catchers won’t trade them as their teams are stuck if #1 goes down to injury. But a team can always find a quality SS to play defense in the case of an emergency.
Are you the kid in school that asks the teacher a question and when he/she answers it you’re not bright enough to realize it?….so you personally attack the teacher.
FYI – I find most of your takes incredibly myopic. Did you ever play baseball? Learn from coaches? Read books about how to play the sport?
You still haven’t addressed the point, dude. Why would any of that mean a team should NOT acquire a catching prospect? If anything, it argues for my point. Do you understand what I am even saying?
Alright kid….
1. Roberto Perez recently went through an entire season without a passed ball. He won the Platinum glove. The Indians admit that they have a way of handling pitchers and it takes time to learn it. Hedges is still adapting. It’s no different then a baseball or basketball team that plays a system and a centerpiece such as a QB or point guard runs it.
Do you watch games? Umpires have different strike zones depending on where they set up. A Catcher is the beneficiary of some calls just because he’s working that day. FYI – The computerized pitch calling may well take effect next year.
2. See #1.
3. Really? Salvador Perez jokes about some of his fingers being crooked, and he’s still playing. I’ve heard other Catcher make light of it. Where do you come up with this stuff?
FYI – Statistics and video often lie, I spent a lifetime working with computers. Spoke the other day with a nationally known Doctor that talked about MRI’s and Chest CT’s that are often written up wrong for numerous reasons, including the angles and the experience of the person doing the write up. Data is only as good as the person(s) knowing how how to interpret it…..and they’re often changing their vies based on additional evidence. There are no absolutes,,,,,unless one is playing a computer game running AI…..and AI is always being improved.
4. As I asked before – did you ever play baseball.
Steve and Samuel, just get a room!
What the heck are you talking about?!?!?!?!?
Where did I write that “a team should NOT acquire a catching prospect?” I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE – that Ben Cherington is sharp and is loading up on Catching prospects.
Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever? I’ll ignore your posts in the future. Feel free to insult me.
Okay… I say this one last time. Read it very slowly.
My point was that team shouldn’t take need into account when acquiring a prospect. Instead they should acquire the most talent. If that means adding a catching prospect when they already have a good catcher, then do it. This was in response to the several people in the thread saying the Cubs don’t need a catcher.
You then @ me with an argument against my point. This would imply you disagree with me.
So did you write a novel of a response just to tell me about the importance of a catcher? It seems you actually agree with my initial point, and I find it highly amusing that you would insult my reading comprehension when your entire rant is based off not understanding what you read.
Steve, respond to Samuel’s main point, por favor.
Did you or did you not play baseball? If you did, only then will your points carry weight.
Sam ignores and dismisses all comments from that fraudulent non-baseball-player Farhan Zaidi. Muted him, in fact. You don’t want to be next.
Only people who have played baseball can have an opinion? What nonsense. A lot of females have never played baseball, can they not have opinions? For example.
He was making fun of Samuel for being an idiot and a bigot.
All you unemployed gms calling it as you see it. Glad the decision lies with Farhan. Pitching and defense wins the big games.
They will after they trade Contreras.
That would be a big mistake trading him. They’re not in full rebuild mode. Trading Contreras would contradict that.
Not planning a full rebuild doesn’t mean they’re looking to be competitive in 2022. Planning to be competitive in 2023 also wouldn’t be a full rebuild. Replenishing the farm with close to MLB ready prospects by trading WC wouldn’t be contradictory at all. Especially if they were to acquire Bart.
Trading Contreras wouldn’t be a rebuild move if you have Joey Bart.
It would absolutely be contradiction. You don’t trade a top 3 or higher Catcher for a prospect.
He’s already 29 and he’ll be a FA before they’re good. Yes you do.
Exactly. They build around Willson Contreras.
Agree 100% and I love Contreras, but if you are trading away basically everyone sans Baez that will be FA’s after this year and then are left with Contreras on a year deal before the same situation now is the time or this offseason to get the most for him. Plus he would command more major league near ready players IMO.
A lot of Cub fans seem to think the team could be good next year, and I tend to agree.
I agree. They very well could be.
They also could use Bart/Amaya to trade to another team needing catching depth for a similarly ranked pitching/other position prospect. Similar to the Chisholm for Gallen trade. Both young guys swapped.
Contreras has only one more year on his contract. And Bart isn’t ready to take over. Could use him as the back up next year and groom him slowly. Keep in mind the Cubs have used 6 different catchers so far this year. Depth isn’t really there and there beat future guy hasn’t got to upper minors yet
Interesting… Bart would probably be the main guy in the deal
He’d be the guy from the Giants and Cubs would likely have to send someone else with Bryant to fetch Bart which I could see happening for sure
For a rental?
Will Wilson and Gregory Santos, maybe…
Most logical scenario, would be a savvy move by the Cubs to buy low on Santos after a PED suspension because the potential for an electric arm is there.
Bart’s tearing up AAA… I don’t think his value has dropped significantly considering he was rushed in the 60 game season. To trade him for Bryant alone, or even for Bryant + Tepera would be foolish in my opinion. I think his value is higher than that.
Edit: In fact after checking, his status on the top 100 rose from #25 to #22 in the midseason rankings.
Played well in his limited appearances in the Majors this season as well, would hate to see him moved but Bryant’s bat is something the Giants could really use
Or Cubs get Bart and have option of trading WC or flipping Bart in another deal.
Bart would prob require more than KB, maybe Tepera?
No way in F will Joey Bart be sent for a rental in Kris Bryant.
Not happening. You’re not sending a top 25 MLB prospect for Kris Bryant alone. I think Bryant would be great on the Giants, but not solely for Bart.
Yeah that would be a move Brian Sabean would make, not Zaidi , thankfully.
Yeah that guy that won multiple World Series titles knows nothing about building a baseball team.
Bobby Evans would make that trade, not Sabean.
Cubs could add Amaya to the deal with Bryant.
On 60-day IL so don’t think he can be traded?
I think it’s possible. IIRC. The Yankees tried to get Schwarber for Chapman. Schwarber played 3 games before tearing his acl. Then played 4 games in the world series. So as well all know it went down as Torres for Chapman.
Bryant & Kimbrel for Bart, Mayos, & Estrada. Who says no?
lol real MLB GMs
Estrada looks good thus far. The kid definitely has talent.
Matos is the deal breaker. Kids gonna be a stud.
Giants say no
Definitely NOT!
Kris Bryant pleasssssssse come to the Mets!!!!!
Bryant has no say in the matter, even if he wanted to go to the Mets.
What would you be willing to give up? I don’t wanna give away the future for a rental.
If Bart is the center piece I’d be shocked if it’s just for Bryant. I’d see what else they’d want for Bryant and Kimbrel both personally.
It’ll never happen. Farhan Zaidi isn’t stupid.
Gotta love the Giant homeys acting like their prospects are already in the HOF.
No one is acting like that. A lot of straw men being thrown around these days.
Let’s be real, if either Bart or Ruiz leave the NLW, it’s likely for a player with more than one year left, or more than one player in a larger deal
You don’t give away elite catching prospects for rentals
I still think the giants want either Davies or Hendricks though they said Hendricks isn’t being dangled
Hendricks leads the majors in wins and is a cheap ace. His value is much higher than the rentals the Cubs will deal. Darvish was “traded” to the Padres to dump salary as the Cubs figured they would have 100 percent empty seats this season and that Darvish was a candidate to end up injured again. A salary dump. Hendricks has little risk of blowing up and is signed at a friendly salary for his production. Takes more than Bart to get him. On the other hand Davies worth is much less than Bart. Davies is a free agent after the season while Hendricks has at least two more years left on his deal. Bryant and Tepera for Bart. Would be an over pay for the Giants but sometimes things are done to win now.
Bart value > hendricks value
Hendricks is not an ace lol.
But… but… but… wins!
Bryant and Tepera for C Patrick Bailey and LHP Kyle Harrison.
They’re not giving up Harrison. They went wayyyy over slot to sign him 12 months ago and he’s showing very well in his first A ball action. No chance. He’s 19. Much rather see Bart go
Giants aren’t trading Kyle Harrison, let alone another one of their top 10 prospects for 2 rentals.
verybarry, what were you ssying?
He’s still in the middle of making 20 comments on the previous article
He’s figuring out what other 26 year old “prospects” he can add into his Hendricks offers lol
Bryant, Kimbrel & Tepera for Bart & Santos
giants would need to throw in more players than bart. No power. No HRs in the majors.
Got a hunch none of the players the Cubs acquire would have any HRs in the majors.
2020 was bart’s AA season, the only reason he was playing in the majors was that the giants were thin at catcher and there was no minor league season. He only had like a season of high A under his belt before he came up so I don’t regard his 2020 numbers as mlb stats….
Neither do many other AA guys.
Bart is a consensus top 25 prospect in baseball and you think that isn’t enough for a few months of Bryant? I want what you’re smoking
Jake and Elwood for four fried chickens and some dry white toast.
We’re on a mission from God!
My car had a flat tire. An old friend came in from out of town. I had to pick up my suit from the cleaners. There was an earthquake, a hurricane, a terrible flood! I swear to God it wasn’t my fault!
The penguin was definitely a contact hitter with that yardstick.
But if you trade away your chickens and toast, how are you gonna feed your Jake and Elwood?
As a Giants fan, I’d personally love to see Kris Bryant, and or Craig Krimbel on the Giants. Maybe Javier Biaz too.
I’m not high on Baez tbh. Dude Ks a ton and doesn’t get on base, but the other two I agree.
San Francisco, with the possible exception of Toronto, can offer the most to Chicago. A deal is there if the San Francisco GM wants it. It’s decision time for him.
Don’t forget that Giants GM worked under Hoyer-Epstein in Chi.. They might work a very friendly trade!
Oh, yeah, Scott Harris. I keep thinking Farhan is still doing the job.
Decision made. San Francisco goes with what they got. For Chicago, Los Angeles appears next up.
Every trade proposal that is made, fans from the team sending prospects say there’s no way this guy is getting traded. If your team thinks the MLB veteran rental is the missing piece to help them win the ring this year, all bets are off especially in a market lacking a lot of high end talent where multiple teams are vying for the minimal amount of players. You’re going to see better prospects moved at the deadline this year. It’s a sellers market unlike a lot of the more recent trade deadlines we’ve seen.
History has shown that rentals do not net perennial top 25 prospects and especially not when you’re dealing with the stingy Farhan Zaidi.
The Giants are in a heated battle with the Dodgers and Padres for the NL West crown and most likely home field advantage in the playoffs. Don’t be shocked if you see all 3 of them make moves you wouldn’t expect even if history is opposed to it.
Difference between the Giants and Pads/Dodgers is Giants have a ton of open payroll and Zaidi has proven he finds untraditional ways to add talent. If he has to absorb Heyward to get Bryant for limited prospect capital I’m sure he’d do it.
Haha. I am sure the cubs would take a PTBNL for a Bryant/Heyward trade
Zaidi had done a good job building the team to compete in the future and repeatedly afterwards, anyone thinking he’s going to use this opportunity when his window has opened early to take on two Goliath’s in the Dodgers and Padres who have consistently gone all in as their payrolls max out and their farm systems thin? Or would the patient PBO Zaidi be prudent to make some moves without leveraging the future to show the players/fans alike that he is in it to win it. The latter sounds like the most likely outcome for this trade deadline. Taking a measured approach until they regress a bit seems more logical.
I hope he can deal from position of strength as far as depth goes (catchers,relievers,outfielders,infielder)maybe use a current mlb piece or two to alleviate any roster crunch for the postseason push and I’d be happy to see Bart headline a package for Bryant and Kimbrel, Tepera. Maybe they can even exchange a minor leaguer that Scott values more than the Cubs do since he has good understanding of their farm as well. Somewhere I saw a Camilo Doval mention and although I don’t know a ton about the guy he has electric triple digit stuff if he can control it, he had some success early on in the season but couldn’t hold it together so they sent him down. I could see him being a decent secondary piece that can contribute to a Cubs team not to far off if he can maybe take a MPH off or two like Moronta and really find your control valuable asset.
Also after seeing Tauchman at bat I’m perfectly fine with the giants paying his salary to play out the season in Chicago maybe he can rob a few homers and hit a grand slam for you guys, but I think it’s worth the money to open up the roster spot haha or just DFA him NOW!
“ Difference between the Giants and Pads/Dodgers is Giants have a ton of open payroll and Zaidi has proven he finds untraditional ways to add talent. ”
Difference?!? Hahahaha. He learned that in LA! What are you saying?? The dodgers batting order 2/3/4 for most of the year are former castoffs signed to minor league deals or acquired in minor trades
SF has had a top 5 payroll for most of the back half of the decade. They just sucked so you don’t talk about it. Idk why you’re pretending they never spend…
Baez, Bryant and Kimbrel for Bailey. These guys are rentals and not much more!
I’d agree to that. My expectation is that we’d be able to resign two of the three.
Kimbrel is not a free agent to be.
Except Kimbrel has an option for next year, so he’s not a rental. This is also a sellers market, and Bryant appears to be the top position player available, while Kimbrel is far and away the top high leverage reliever. Lesser players are going for more than they have in previous seasons. What makes you think that those variables can somehow be ignored? You may want to pay pennies on the dollar for a rental, but if you’re competing with other teams for limited assets, and all parties are highly motivated to add that asset, then the price goes up. Supply and demand are at play here, and the market simply isn’t favoring buyers, unless several other teams decide to sell at the 11th hr.
You’re an idiot… Kimbrel still has an option for next yr and a QO for Bryant and Javy are both higher value picks then Bailey… So quit talking baseball with 0 knowledge of how it works and stick to your MLB the Show trades
Munkes- didn’t the giants draft Bailey in the first round? Correct me if I’m wrong but QO are compensatory picks that come after the first round so stating Bryant and Baez picks would obtain you a draft position of Baileys or higher I Disagree. Bailey was drafted 13th overall compensatory picks after the first round meaning every team had gotten to choose their favorite players prior to the pick, the likeliness of it happening are slim that talent like Bailey would have fallen 20 positions unless it was a slot overpay for a player the organization loved. Not saying it could not happen.
The comp picks can’t just be valued in terms of what you get with that pick alone. As we’ve seen recently and many fans don’t understand rarely do the top talent go in order of which teams view them. Generally there’s a bunch of off the board picks throughout the first round because teams want to go under slot early to get a guy who falls later. Having a comp pick allows you more options in the draft.
Teams acquiring a player midseason cannot extend a QO to that player. The Cubs are the only team that can extend a QO to Bryant or Baez at the end of this season. If the Giants acquire them now those players are pure rentals and become unqualified FAs at the end of this season.
Obviously everyone knows that.
Hard to tell based on the returns some commenters think the Cubs might get.
Just cause giants took Bailey #13 doesnt mean that was his value… I’m saying with keeping bryant and Javy and giving them a QO , what ever comp pick they get they can pick someone just as good as Bailey… Most likely at both comp picks… So this Bailey for 3 Cubs players is about as dumb of a idea as it gets
Just because he was drafted in a certain spot doesn’t mean in a different draft you couldn’t acquire a similar talent at a slightly later spot(talking 15 spots max here..)
One thing to remember is the nl will likely have a dh next year. The cubs could have Contreras still be the primary catcher and a guy like Bart could get a bunch of at bats as a backup, dh and filling in maybe at first some.
I agree with keeping Contreras though. Bryant is a goner this week. Would prefer as a cubs fan a potential young controllable starter or an outfielder. We’ll see.
Even with Posey on the team next year and possibly beyond there is still room for Bart. Posey plays 3-4 days a week and Bart would learn a ton as his backup for a full season or two. Bryant is really tempting but he has injury issues and would be a rental so that’s too high a price to pay. Trade Bishop and Bailey instead since they have little chance of ever making it to a big league roster like most of the guys Farhan has drafted!
I get the feeling Giants value Bailey over Bart
Farhan likely does, but Bart could play next year whereas Bailey is still a few years off.
That’s probably true but that doesn’t mean they don’t value Bart. I value the dog over my wife, but I am not trading her away anytime soon, though that’s probably because I would need some serious cash considerations to offset the money still owed to her if I DFA’d her. Either way the dog is a lot younger much cheaper and is much better for locker room atmosphere. He also is a much better fielder.
There is 100% room for Bart on this team in the future what if belt doesn’t resign? Slide buster to first more often and have a cheap Bart build his value or make his case to stay! Also I don’t think Bryant is going to be the headliner of a deal for Bart it would be a Pitcher like Kimbrel or Hendricks that’s controllable for another year, add in Bryant for the playoff run for versatility and I’m ok with losing Bart because it’s losing 1 top 100 when I think we just recently added 1 or possibly 2 so it’s not weakening the system terribly while at the same time showing your players and fans your attempting to win now.
It would cost a hell of a lot more than Bart if Hendricks is involved. He has 3 more years at 15 mill per with a 3.14 career ERA. Not sure the Giants have enough for something like that. The Dodgers do though.
Hendricks does not have as much value as you think: Baseballtradevalues.com
The Giants have a better farm than the Dodgers now
Nobody takes that site seriously
The only way this happens is some kind of combo deal. I think Giants would want Bryant and Kimberly, or Bryant and Hendricks. Obviously it would cost more than Bart, but he could be a start. The Cubs could end up saving a lot of money and get multiple guys who could be ready to start to contribute by 2023. The Giants have a lot of depth in their system. This could get interesting. It’s not likely they strike a deal, but it is a realistic possibility.
I get the feeling this is another click bait article. Its probable that every contending club in MLB has inquired about KB.
Source: Giants not discussing Bart in trade talks with Cubs
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The Giants definitely have the farm depth to get Bryant without Bart. Kimbrel I’m not quite as sure but to be completely honest I think the Giants bullpen is good enough as is. McGee hasn’t given up a run since like late May
I’d be happy with dealing some really young prospects with promise that aren’t going to help anytime soon and some depth and holding onto to Bart for Bryant and say Tepera. I have a feeling the highest bidder (Padres or Dodgers) will blow a prospect haul on Kimbrel making him to high priced for the giants. But maybe Dubon + others or someone of that caliber would be a good fit on their roster because he also brings versatility. He seems like a thing of the past with the way Thairo Estrada has been playing since his call up.
The more I think on it I really don’t see the Giants getting Kimbrel because I think there’s teams (the Blue Jays come to mind) that need/want him so much more. The Giants bullpen really hasn’t been that bad this season. SP > LF > Reliever is the priority order imo
Cubs already have a few Dubon types in Happ and Hoerner and Bote. Not happening
Joey Bart sucks…Kris Bryant is a former MVP and can rake in a few months and can make the giants go from pretenders to contenders…I’ll be pissed if they get Bart…he won’t pan out
lol
I know! Can’t wait to get that supplemental pick in the draft instead he is going to rox!
You are going to end up being very disappointed in whatever the return for Bryant ends up being.
If it’s Bart or Matos I will be happy. Anything less like Ramos would be disappointing so I plan on being disappointed.
Best record in baseball for 2 months = Pretenders. Got it.
Cubs already have Amaya In the minors.! Ho get ARMs.
The Cubs really screwed this up. They should have moved Bryant in 2019 now they’re stuck trying to trade a rental piece which isn’t going to garner a great return. Asking for Joey Bart in return is plain silly and I can’t imagine any team giving up one of their top five prospects and if it were up to me I wouldn’t even entertain a top ten prospect going the other way it’s just not worth it. To me if a guy doesn’t at least have one more year of control his return gets bumped down to second and third tier prospects. Now if Kris Bryant were the type of player to carry a fringe team on his back helping them make a legit push, sort of like C.C. Sabathia did for the Brewers a while back, well that’s different but he’s not even close to that level.
It wouldn’t be just Bryant for Bart. Read the article.
Bryant will most likely get traded and sit on the bench for 4-5 weeks with some sort of injury. Id stay far away from this rental as i could.
I bet the Giants will trade Bart in a deal for Scherzer if he signs an extension…
There is no way the Giants are going to part with Bart. They need a catcher for the near future. Plus our Cubs have Contreras, the best all around catcher in the NL, under contract through 2022. Bart currently plays in AAA Sacramento where the Pony Express began. There’s a rumour that Bart could be related to another former popular Northern Californian, who also got his start in Sacramento. That was Black Bart of Wells Fargo fame.
Actually I think it’s very likely the Giants will trade Bart.
You definitely get the feeling there is something about Bart the Giant do not like. His value will probably never be higher. These high level catcher prospects seem to fail at extremely high rates. Cubs should extend Contreras and fill other needs.
He’s former regimes prospect not Zaidi
No way! I’d never heard that about black Bart being related to Joey. I’m going to have to look that up, that’s pretty cool if there’s validity to it.
Ok I feel stupid it took me about 15 seconds to figure out black Bart was a nickname. Man if I had hair I’d be a blonde. You got me I’ll admit it, now I feel stupid.
That’s very insensitive to blondes. It’s 2021
If the Giants won’t trade Bart or Matos they aren’t getting Bryant. They don’t have anyone else the Cubs would want. (Luciano is obviously untouchable)
Nobody would trade Matos or Bart for a couple months of bryant. Bart is a top 25 prospect in baseball and a top 2 catching prospect in the game. Matos is a top 100 prospect who will climb further down through the list after this season. If he surprised if the Cubs get more than 1 borderline 50 grade prospect
Then Jed needs to move on.
And he has.
Nope Mets trade for Bryant. Or they are dead
Giants should be in on Gallo/Kennedy/Gibson
Bart and 4 FV45’s for Gallo/Kennedy/Gibson
Now the Dodgers are jumping into the Kimbrel sweepstakes. This is working out just the way Hoyer dreamed.
The potential swap of Kris Bryant for Joey Bart was a garbage story by a garbage writer who was just searching for clicks!!
Oh I am sure there were more pieces being negotiated in the talks. The two teams matched up quite well trade wise. All respect to the SF GM for his decision. Los Angeles next in line. Kimbrel major need there.
Honestly, I think Bart’s bat is really overrated. The power is there, but I’m not sure the plate discipline or vision is there. He only has 13 walks in 188 PA this year in AAA; projecting ahead, it’s hard to see him getting more than 30 walks in any year in the MLB, which severely impacts the overall line.
He might very well be a .250/.290/.450 (.740 OPS) type bat instead of the .280/.340/.520 (.860 OPS)-type line most here seem to be expecting.
What? The kid hasn’t even played a full season in AAA and is doing quite well with the bat with a lot of upside. Plate discipline or vision comes with at bats, Bart is a stud dude. He’ll be a .280 .290 hitter with 20 to 25 bombs a year type hitter.
As a side to the KB rumour mill, and thinking of our Cubs player value and return for investment; Jason Heyward is getting paid $308,000 per hit thus far for 2021.
I can only hope that the Cubs have finally learned their lesson regarding 8+ year contracts.
Red Sox need him or somebody like him to play 1B.
Why does it feel like the Cubs are going to get shut out trading anyone before the deadline.
Giants have no trading chips for Bryany unless they send millions. Giants farm system is one of the worst in MLB. This is basically a loan, Bryant will retire a Cub along with Rizzo and Baez. Yes i would like BI ryant to have a chance to win another WS since we are Vegas kids.
Right now the team that needs a 3B is Boston. Watch him go to Boston.