Oct. 25: The Cardinals have formally introduced Marmol as the 51st manager in franchise history. He signed a three-year contract that’ll run through the 2024 season, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Oct. 24: The Cardinals are set to announce bench coach Oliver Marmol as the team’s next manager, according to Katie Woo and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). The Cards have called a press conference for Monday morning to officially introduce Marmol.
The hiring concludes an unusual start to the St. Louis offseason, as there wasn’t any indication that previous manager Mike Shildt’s job was in danger before the Cardinals surprisingly fired Shildt 10 days ago. As president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told reporters, “philosophical differences” emerged with Shildt, and while some reports have surfaced about what some of those differences may have been, it appears the issue was indeed with Shildt alone. It seems as though the Cards will be bringing back most of their coaching staff for 2022, though a new bench coach will now be needed with Marmol being elevated to the top job.
Marmol was seen as a candidate essentially from the moment the news broke of Shildt’s firing, and at age 35, Marmol is now the youngest current manager in the big leagues. He is also the first person of color to work as the Cardinals manager in over 80 years, since Mike Gonzalez briefly managed the team on an interim basis in both 1938 and 1940 (a total of 23 games).
Despite his young age, Marmol already has plenty of experience on the bench. Originally a sixth-round pick for the Cards in the 2007 draft, Marmol played four seasons in the minors before transitioning to coaching and managing in the St. Louis farm system. He has spent the last five seasons on the Cardinals’ MLB coaching staff, working two years as first base coach before working as Shildt’s bench coach for the last three seasons.
Marmol is now the third manager Mozeliak has hired during his tenure as the team’s GM and president of baseball operations, and like predecessors Shildt and Mike Matheny, Marmol also has longstanding ties to the St. Louis organization. In a sense, Marmol is something of a blend of the two previous skippers — he has Matheny’s relative youth and more recent playing experience, but also a resume of managerial experience in the minors and coaching experience in the majors, a la Shildt. Marmol has been mentioned as a potential manager of the future for the Cardinals and other teams, so the Cards’ hiring decision may have been partially inspired by a desire to keep Marmol in the fold.
The newly-minted skipper will face plenty of expectations in the top job, as the Cardinals have reached the postseason in three straight seasons but suffered two early exits (losing to the Dodgers in this year’s wild card game and to the Padres in the 2020 wild card series) and a four-game sweep to the Nationals in the 2019 NLCS. St. Louis fans are always expecting to win, and since 2022 will be Yadier Molina’s farewell season, there is perhaps even extra pressure for extended playoff success next year.
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Well, I guess I’m not getting that outside hire 🙁
Insert a bunch of nonsensical predictions about how good or bad he will be as a manage below.
Wow. The Cardinals took all of about a week to fill their managerial hole. What the heck is taking the Padres and Mets so long? The Mets should at the very least have hired a GM by now.
This is quite the existence you’ve carved out for yourself.
looks like Cardinals decided on another piece of shildt!
They could have had the Clapp.
you dont hire a gm before hiring a pobo
odd, people of color were allowed to manage white players but not play against them in the late 30’s early 40’s
@kahnkobra: True. I actually meant to say POBO. They should have at least done that by now. It seems like they have an excuse for everything at this point. They don’t have a manager because they need a GM first but they don’t have a GM because they need a POBO first. These guys have known they need a POBO to replace Alderson for over a year now. Make a hire already. I guess they are just waiting for the World Series to end so they can consider people in the Astros and Braves systems, too. Regardless, they need to hire that POBO as soon as the playoffs are over and then hire a GM and manager all very quickly after that. That is a lot of hires they need to make before free agency starts. Just get it done already. Unless the POBO is truly going to come from the Astros or Braves they are wasting precious time. Pretty new owner though so it’s probably taking him a little longer to learn all the ins and outs. Considering all the people they need I still think they should have pushed harder for Epstein. He has experience and the Mets just need to get the ball rolling. Epstein as POBO, Sabean as GM and just going back to Beltran as manager or choosing Bruce Bochy, Buck Showalter or Mike Schildt instead could all be done right now. I personally think they should say screw the optics and just go with Beltran. AJ Hinch and Alex Cora all got manager positions back. Do what you think is best for your team and don’t worry about what the New York Post or anyone else says about it. Unless the Mets really want Ron Washington or something I see no reason why they have to wait this long before they make even their first of what needs to be 3 major hires before free agency begins.
Aww, don’t hate, boo.
Aww, don’t hate, boo
They could have had a Rusty Kuntz too…
“Avoid the Clapp”
-Jimmy Duggan
I personally think they should say screw the optics and just go with Beltran. AJ Hinch and Alex Cora all got manager positions back.
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In any event, I have no idea why anyone would have an issue hiring these guys. It’s the same with PEDs users, or DV players, etc. The commissioner decides on a punishment. You serve your punishment, and you are allowed back.
Same as in the real world.
Mike Gonzalez actually played 16 years in the major league before becoming a manager, so…
A stubby one at that!
No one with any sense wants to work for the organization.
World championship within 3 years
Big shoes to fill!!! Marmoil was only hired to be Mozeliak’s puppet manager. Mozeliak’s front man and Yes Man!!!
Wait until July and we’ll see if I’m wrong!!!
@17dizzy i’ve been saying the same thing
no outside hire wanted to be a puppet
@timyanksit: Great comment. That seems to be happening with more teams than ever now. It basically killed the playoffs for both the Yankees and the Dodgers. I love analytics but when will these front offices learn that a computer cannot do a managers job. I have a great idea. Let’s take a 20-game winner and turn him into a relief pitcher in the playoffs and see how that works out because a computer said to do it. Well… Now we know how it works out. You think they will dare try to make that move again? I doubt it after it cost them the championship they spent over $280 million trying to get. I think the Astros have worked out so far because they have a balance. Super analytical front office combined with a super old school manager. You can’t go too far in one direction otherwise the moves get so crazy they won’t work. Balance is a good thing.
thanks @The Mets “Missed WAR”
just being realistic
I have a great idea. Let’s take a 20-game winner and turn him into a relief pitcher in the playoffs
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I checked this one out. He appeared as an RP in game 5 against the Giants, and single-handedly won the series for them. It didn’t work out afterwards, but the Dodgers don’t get to the ‘afterwards’ if Urias doesn’t beat the Giants.
The playoffs are where a manager is most important. Analytics cannot gauge adrenaline or fatigue. October is a time of emotion and digging deep and that is where the human element is crucial. It becomes obvious when two evenly matched teams meet in the playoffs and one manager is a stronger leader.
I’m curious what exactly you checked out. Urias pitched 5 innings in one game and 4 in a second game. How did he singlehandedly win the series? I think he played a key role, but he didn’t do it alone. Wondering what you meant by that.
Second, I don’t think the point is about using Urias in game 5 in SF (he actually was on normal rest in the SF series) – it was that the Dodgers overanalyzed the deployment of their pitchers and while what they did worked (i.e. they won) against SF, that approach ruined them against the Braves. Urias lost game 2 in relief and Schrezer said his arm was dead after pitching on short rest. Then Urias was bad in game 4 on short rest. That is a strong indictment of the approach they took. They used 2 of their best in one game – and lost that game.
Stepping back from the details, I think analytical approaches neglect one important, yet obvious point. You don’t need to win every moment of every game. It is a series where you need to win 4 games, not 7. The Dodgers approached the series like they needed to win all seven games. They played every inning of every game like an elimination game (at least tactically). You obviously try to win every game, but not by putting yourself at a disadvantage for the next game(s).
Good essay “The Mets “Missed War'”. Now if we can convince the nerds in the analytics department that all hitters are not created equal and that leads to demolishing the “launch angle” approach as a one-size-fits-all, that’ll work for the best.
To wit, could you imagine some Ivy League Physics major telling a HOF player like Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn, “Listen, man. Ya gotta hit the ball in the air.”? I don’t think so.
@tim and mets your both on to something analytics is tool not the end all be all, tbh i think we made a huge mistake firing schlidt. Analytics will get you to the playoffs but other than a few outliers doesn’t help in oct. when you get to oct you have a new set of variables, the 2 big ones being player fatigue and the fact every game your facing the top 3 starters of any team so no easy wins there like in the regular season where you can face a teams 4/5 guy. sometimes especially in the post season sometimes you gotta manage from the gut. imo the perfect manger in today’s game is one that embraces analytics but isn’t afraid to make calls from the gut when maybe it’s not the right call analytically. all of sports regardless of the sport there will always be situations that cone up that are off script and that’s what separates a pbo/gm’s yes man and a real manger.
Congratulations. Marmol could become a great manager. Great job by Mozeliak giving the opportunity to Marmol to become the next manager.
So basically what your saying front office can be great manager!
skip 2- Are you good?
@Francys01: Yeah. I’m not sure what skip 2 is saying there. It kind of seems like he missed the entire point. I see you on here a lot, Francys. I appreciate your opinions. I was a little harsh on some Cardinals fans a couple weeks ago but it was the heat of the playoff race and all that blah, blah, blah. I truly have nothing but respect for the Cardinals. In terms of Championships the Cardinals are basically the Yankees of the National League but they don’t try to buy it. You have to respect a team like that. I was really just trying to figure out why they thought THIS year was their year given the circumstances. I don’t think any intelligent person doubts the Cardinals franchise’s ability to win it all on any given season.
Steve Nebraska- Thank you. I see you commenting here too and I like reading your insights about what you think about baseball in general too. Well, I know many people were believing in the Cardinals they could win it all after winning 17 games in a row, but I also I thought we had a chance to get deep in the playoff but not for winning 17 games straight, but because the team had chemistry. They were coming from behind and also scoring first and playing extremely well. The Cardinals had a long time that they did not play like that as a group. The last time I saw the Cardinals playing like that was in 2011 when they had a unbelievable September. But, I knew that the competition wasn’t going to be easy especially playing the Dodgers, the super team in the wild card game, and if we did advance then playing the Giants who won 107 games during the regular season.
Sorta agree. I like Marmol, he is smart and will get along well with the players, but I fear he will be rode roughshod by the upper management, and if the players start to think so he will have a more difficult time earning their respect. The DeJong issue was a tough one. I still believe his benching played a role in Shildt’s firing. Here is to hoping Marmol can be his own man!
@ Eli – you were the right guy for that role. Turning up naked for the interview was the mistake. Again
Will Marmol aid them? Or will he be spread too thin?
@A’s – sorry for letting you down again
I’m happy for this hiring of Oliver Marmol he seems to have been the guy Shildt confided in? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember Shildt fist bumping Marmol after a game, with quite some force, with a pen in his hand. Lol
@hippy can i have some of what your smoking because it has to be fire. all i see in this hiring is that mo got his yes man and unfortunately the birds are going to suffer this season. mo should take a step back and realize he is the pbo and constructs the team and the manger runs the day to day and puts them in the best position to win with the talent on hand.
Uh, ok.
They should’ve hired me for manager. I would bring a championship to St. Louis
You were a close runner up I’m sure
What an absolute waste.
How? Like what?
Oh, okay then. Good for Marmol, should be interesting to see how he manages the Cardinals.
Not surprised in the least. They wanted someone who would agree to keep the other coaches so only an internal hire made sense. It was Marmalade or Clapp. I was pretty sure it would be Marmol.
i dunno about this one…
There’s really no reason to think he’ll be worse than Shildt. No real reason to think he’s better either, though.
That’s just demonstrably false. Marmol is a super bright, analytical-minded guy. He’s the absolute antithesis of Mike Shildt.
So is your comment. Shilt is plenty bright. And it wasn’t like he was anti-analytical. He just believed in both, and wouldn’t kiss Mozeliak’s ass.
spot on spudchukar since schlidt took over for matheney he took the cards farther than our roster allowed. i love the cards but i’m also realistic cabs since 11 we haven’t had the horses to really win especially after 18. imo last few years the only reason cards have been relevant is because of schlidt not because mo. i see this ending badly for mo he has gotten to complacent and just wants to surround him self with yes men.
Shildt was pretty good. So there’s plenty of reason to think he’ll do worse IMO. This Cards team went on an incredible run. I don’t see that happening again without a big roster revision.
The only position in the starting 8 (when healthy) that needs a new starter is SS. The rotation needs an addition but it’s starting with Waino, Flaherty, Hudson, and Mikolas with some prospects knocking on the door. It needs tinkering, and health, but not a big revision.
Exactly. Schildt had a .559 winning percentage with the Cardinals. There’s plenty of reason to think anyone would do worse than that because that’s a great record.
Shildt was pretty good? What games were you watching? Shildt is a great example that winning percentage does not equate with solid managerial skills. Matheny was one in the same. Both of them never learned the in-game management side of things despite so many opportunities to learn from their mistakes.
I don’t think there’s any reason why Schildt got more out of the roster than anyone else.
Pretty much sums up every criticism of every manager by almost every fan who thinks they know more.
I don’t see Waino matching his 2021 season, which was one of his best ERA wise, but of course he’ll still be solid. Cardinals are a fine team, but I think it can’t be overstated how much that amazing streak changed the course of the season. Without that streak, they are a 3rd place team in the NL Central. I think it’s going to be difficulty to replicate that in 2022, but I could be wrong.
@mack423 No offense, but this is typical fan bias. Every decision is put under a microscope. Shildt was a fine manager who got a lot from his players. That’s all you can ask.
Certainly, they don’t replicate the streak in 2022, but they also get Flaherty, Hudson, Mikolas, and Hicks back, not to mention MacFarlane, and Garcia for a full year, and no more Carp, Miller, and probably Martinez. Meaning they most likely won’t be under .500 near the end of June. I would like to see them keep one of their late season lefty starters and move to a 6-man rotation, especially since they have other starting options. Marmol should have a better 26 than Shildt.
I hear what you are saying, 2022 will have more young additions, with room to grow and veterans getting older, but also players like O’Neill, Carlson, and Bader building upon solid, if not breakout seasons? I think health will have a lot to with it, as well as how much learning those young players, in specific pitchers end up having to do at the major league level.
I cant wait until we get to 81 man rotations. It is sad how little starting pitchers do in today’s game. Modern training fails starting pitching and the game as a whole.
Mr. Marmol is the Cardinals answer to Aaron Boone.
Cardinals and Yankees are mirror images of one another.
The Cards have always been the Midwest version of the Yankees; a rich baseball history, the most championships in their league, classic uniforms, their own way of doing things, & the refusal to ever punt on a season. If you need a reason for that refusal: the 2021 Atlanta Braves, man.
The Yanks & Cardinals just have no desire to be crappy. Neither fan base would accept (another similarity) some decade long rebuild/reorganization like your KC Royals are in the midst of.
& what you term “a random collection of players” is typically just plugging holes. Which is something that teams trying to compete actually do. A Michael A Taylor extension – for example – would not cut it as a marquee addition in St Louis or The City.
@ducky spot on man and i wish more owners took after the nyy and cards philosophy there would be no need for tanking. look sometimes you just have a bad year i.e. min this year or to some extent the braves (yes i know there in the ws but up until the last week there were about to be eliminated from the playoffs). imo if you build teams to try and win year in and year out you can sell tickets even in a down year. there is a reason why fans of bos, nyy, & the cards keep going to games even in “down” years to is because in our “down year” were all still in it (or at least you feel like your in it ).
Well they have been the most successful franchises… just saying
Uh, I think you left a couple of teams out of your “most successful franchises” discussion.
Certainly, they don’t replicate the streak in 2022, but they also get Flaherty, Hudson, Mikolas, and Hicks back, not to mention MacFarlane, and Garcia for a full year, and no more Carp, Miller, and probably Martinez. Meaning they most likely won’t be under .500 near the end of June. I would like to see them keep one of their late season lefty starters and move to a 6-man rotation, especially since they have other starting options. Marmol should have a better 26 than Shildt.
@ CardsFan77;
Actually, they WERE the most successful baseball franchises in the 20th century, along with the Dodgers (the 2 NL teams playing Branch Rickey baseball).
They have not been in the 21st century, as they have not adapted to the times. There is a lot more at play then simply “Analytics”. Both franchises are lost, and have reverted to throwing money at name veteran players, then pandering to them. That doesn’t work anymore. Teams have to make the players on their roster better, and put their players in position to produce. They need to use all 25 players on their roster, The good teams have learned to do that. The Yankees and Cardinals favor the high priced guys and push around the rest of the roster.
So the 21st Century has been bad for the Cardinals? 15 playoff appearances, 4 trips to the World Series, and 2 World Series victories….yup that’s a rough go in a 21 year span
@Samuel what in the world are you talking about? The Cards have been one of the better teams in the 21st century and so have the Yankees. Teams don’t have to win a title to be one of the “better” teams in the game. Just because a team spends more than other teams does not mean they’ll win a title it just puts them in contention more often. Wow it’s all or nothing with some fans. Also how do you put today’s player in a better position to win other than paying him and putting him on the field? With the money these guys make these days teams are forced to play guys who back in the day would be benched. It’s a different game now and it’s not better in any way in fact it’s getting tougher to watch and tougher to root for players. Out of all the players in MLB this season only two played 162 games yet they all make more money. Pitchers are making millions and can’t go more than five innings. Years ago a pitcher would be embarrassed to pitch only five innings. Closers threw multiple innings on back to back nights. Now Max Scherzer is spent because he threw a random inning in relief?? Sad. Blame the players for the issues in the game not the managers.
“Just because a team spends more than other teams does not mean they’ll win a title it just puts them in contention more often.”
LOL
@ Mystery Team;
You just killed your own argument.
The Cardinals and Yankees spend money on high salaries for a group of players. That’s all.
Yes, they don’t have to go to the WS each year.
But if you think that it’s an accomplishment to get to the playoffs when you’re in the top 15-20-25% of payroll each year – think twice.
1/3’rd of MLB teams make the playoffs. Each year around 1/3’rd are in some form of rebuild, and a few more teams have players that suddenly have down years. It’s not hard to make the playoffs if you’re throwing around money.
The Cardinals and Yankees do not play solid fundamental baseball. And in the end, that’s what wins.
Heh.
I see you are unfamiliar with sam. He shows up on all the Yankee threads. “Hates” us. He pretty much just spews endless HOTTAKES, man. Check some:
– Just a couple days ago he posted how Cashman/the Yanks are behind other teams in their analytic department. Bro. For better or worse the Yanks have had the biggest analytics dept in MLB for at least a decade.
– He also thinks players get hurt (many of them Yankees) via a combo of “hot dogging” & “playing too hard”. Which is really bizarre.
– My fav: WALLS OF TEXT about why the Orioles would be better than the Yanks last spring. Yes. He was serious about it too.
In the end, his takes come down to some kind of, “wins don’t matter fundamental baseball matters” or something.
He is a Royals fan & thinks Moore is a genius. It appears he has now discovered Cardinals threads. Enjoy.
@ Ducky;
Give it up.
Accusing me of the hate and stereotyping me. I’m taking baseball here. And I’m accurate in what I’m writing.
Your comments are what 14 year-old kids do on social media because they can’t address issues.
MLB has changed. The Yankees and Cardinals are two teams that are struggling to keep up (throw the Mets and a few others in there as well). They have large fan bases that give them money, so they have to sign “stars”. Fine. It takes an entire roster of players today to win in MLB today. When you cater to 6-8 it doesn’t work. I keep writing……
A starting pitcher can only throw every 4-5 games, and for around 100 pitches. A celebrated bullpen pitcher only pitchers 60-80 innings a year. A defensive player can go an entire game without a ball hit to him – only a Catcher is in on every pitch, and quality FO’s know the value of having a smart Catcher that can call a game, handle a pitching staff, and block breaking balls in the dirt. Consequently there is a shortage of quality Catchers in MLB. As for hitting – a hitter can only bat once every 9 guys – this is not football, basketball, or hockey where a team give the ball or puck to their best offensive players.
The construction of both teams is questionable – moving quality young, cheap players away from their natural positions and ruining them in order to accommodate expensive veterans for over 10 years now. Again, sharp MLB FO’s have passed those teams by. They need to make major adjustments…….like the Red Sox realized so they hired Chiam Bloom to run Baseball Ops.
They had one of the best defensive teams and one of the highest baserunning WARS. But that’s not fundamentals? Seriously wtf are you talking about.
You’re a true MLBTR treasure @Samuel.
“And I’m accurate in what I’m writing.”
You know you posted the exact same thing when you cranked out 1000’s of words on why the Orioles were going to be better than the Yanks, right?
Just because you “write” something does not make it true. Have a good one, sam.
Cardinals sign stars? What big free agent have they bought besides Fowler? They mostly just spend on retaining their own players. And if they are as careless about spending as you say, surely they are in the top 5 payroll this year. No? Last year? No. Any year since 2000? No. The Cards generally fall in the 10-15 range.
The top five teams in postseason appearances since the turn of the century:
1) Yankees 17
2) Cardinals 15
3) Dodgers 13
4) Braves 12
5a) Red Sox 11
5b) A’s 11
World series Championships
1) Red Sox 4
2) Giants 3
3a) Yankees 2
3b) Cardinals 2
Cardinals have done just fine for themselves
The Yankees no longer play good fundamental Baseball, St. Louis still stresses that style!
As many have stated, Samuel is making ridiculous claims. Just biting off one piece of this ridiculousness, which players has STL moved to a new position to accommodate overpaid veterans?
@samuel you must of not watched the cards this season, other than june and after june the cards were the most solid fundamental team in the mlb (it was one of the reasons i thought the cards were going to make a run after the 17). imo where the cards fell short is because we didn’t have the horses and in that wc game the lad did and they beat us in a walkoff hard to say anyone is at fault. playoffs are a crapshoot 3 weeks ago if you said atl would be in the ws i would of told you “what are you high” they limped in oct and there key players are out for the season but they made it and tb, lad, nyy, bos, & the cards are just watching the ws. i’m sure all mentioned teams thought really good about themselves winning the chip this year.
Sam Holbrook would have been a great fit.
He answered the help wanted ad. It said “yes man wanted”.
Bingo
I remember reading somewhere (Athletic maybe?) that he’s considered to be some kind of rising star. Could be he was being sought by other teams. At 35, I think that makes him the youngest manager in MLB; maybe the Cards are trying to do with him what the Rays did with Cash, i.e. let him learn on the job.
Or it could be they’re just cheap.
shildt didn’t learn very good
@bobtillman this all comes down to that mo wanted a yes man in the dugout, i know no and tlr didn’t get along to well but mo had to deal with tlr because ownership loved tlr and he basically had a lifelong contract. imo at first matheny was his “1st” yes man but mike was stubborn and didn’t work out. now comes schlidt an “in house hire” and given that this was schlidt shot and was turning the team around but his downfall was that he wasn’t the yes man mo wanted. i feel this move was years in the making, when schlidt was put into the manger we were winning despite the fo, but now multiple playoff appearances and nothing to show allowed mo to fire him and get the yes man he wanted. i may be wrong on this but i want my gm/pbo to build the team and let the manger (bleep) run the team.
Dynasty in the making. They’ll be steamrolling MLB for decades with this move.
But don’t the Cubs have like 96 years of world domination left..?
I think the Maddon costume parties and escape room dates distracted them.
Heard this yesterday
They seriously passed up on the opportunity to have a Stubby, Goldy Nootbaar?
they passed on lacock, clapp and shildt
Did he know they were considering him for the job?
He’s been the leading candidate this entire time…
Nope! Mo and DeWitt showed up at his other job during the off-season, ordered two strawberry shakes, and said “thank you, drive trough.” When they got to the window they asked “hey have you ever thought of managing the cardinals?” He was like “no way, me?” They they all shared a laugh as he called to quit his paper route.
the drive trough is on the way to the bottom of the barrel
I figured we’d get an announcement on a new manager on one of the off day before the World Series. It was clear they were going to hire internally. Still would love to know how
…or what Shildt did to get canned.
35 years young… dang.
Should have gone with Carlos Marmol…
On the post announcing Shildt’s firing, I commented that Marmol would be a solid internal hire for the Cardinals. I still think that. The guy is a rising star and has all the faith of the FO.
Collected a ton of his 2007 Bowman cards back in the day, lol.
Well, he gets a point from me because he knows much more about his team than I ever will. That’s actually one of the advantages of a site like this. If you are interested in that kind of thing.
Cards have been playoff caliber team for years under previous manager. The expectations are quite lofty and usually very difficult to follow in those footsteps because there is NO room for anything less.
That is a very tough scenario for any type of new manager. I wish him luck, but I never heard of him before as a manager on major league level, so this will be one to watch.
Ahh, nice marmot…
His first act should be to hire Carlos Marmol as pitching coach. I have no idea if they’re related or not. I just want to see Carlos teaching pitchers how to walk the bases loaded and then strike out the side.
Carlos Marmol for a while was just as entertaining as any pitcher in the league. I just looked and 3 of his first 4 years w/ the Cubs, he held batters to OPS of .500! That’s absolutely dominating. Then his control went from poor to awful, lost some velocity. and was done pretty quickly.
Probably tough when you had a kid at 4 years old like some of these comments think.
Good for Mármol. The hope he is not a “yes kinda man”….
Were the Mets or Pads interested in him?
Mets called him, but he sent it straight to VM once he saw who it was.
You know you’re old when you’re older than an MLB Manager LOL
Well thanks to Billy Heywood, this applies to everyone here.
wait until you’re older than the preacher
Wow I was hoping they would come get Mike Matheny again from the Royals. He needs to go back to St. Lous and work on his sucking as a MGR
This is exactly what people will be saying about Shildt in San Diego in less than a year, I guarantee it. Boggles my mind how so many on here are blinded by his W-L record.
Isn’t a manager judged on wins and losses? I know that analytics are in vogue but I would want a manager with a good win and loss record
We tried
Probably my second favorite Marmol behind Carlos Marmol. Just like Carlos, this one will probably fizzle out in 3-4 years as well.
St. Louis is still boring.
The cardinals staying in the birdhouse with this one.
will be an empty nest soon
Cardinals fan here — I mean this sincerely — I read these comments saying that Marmol is a “rising star”.
Based on WHAT?!
C’mon, man. There are so many pieces out there that shed light on Marmol’s baseball philosophy. It’s not like he’s a complete unknown.
So his philosophies make him a rising star? I’m not trying to be a smartazz, it’s just that he’s still wet behind the ears and he has about a cup of coffees-worth of experience and now he’s a “rising star” somehow.
Well, he was just hired as the manager of the Cardinals at age 35, becoming the youngest manager in the game, so there’s that.
Does this make Stubby Clapp his Bench Coach? I’d hire Skip Schumaker as his bench coach!!
I’d like for Skip to be on the staff as well
Teams cannot sign free agent players until after the World Series. Why is it not the same for coaches? People like Ron Washington are now unable to get the STL job. Although, this signing implies that STL was not interested in Washington, and I just answered my own question.
That you did. If St. Louis had been interested in Wash they would have only had to wait like ten days. There’s no reason to change the manager hiring process when it doesn’t hinder anything. The Cards just knew who they wanted here, so they went on and did it.
Reads like Marmol is the reason for Shildt’s firing. As opposed to Shildts firing being the reason for Marmols hiring. Wanted to get more analytical and they knew the answer is already right there.
I don’t think you’re far off, at all. Problem last season seemed to be including Shildt on the same page with the rest of the coaching staff. If you take away Shildt, and promote the guy with an actual brain, that’s no longer a problem and those decisions no longer need to be taken one more spot up the totem pole.
The idea that Shildt didn’t have a brain is risible.
Accept email from analytic staff with lineup and bullpen usage, hit print, sit back and enjoy the game.
Mate, I’m a Giants fan. Watched a lot of games. They love a bit of data and Gabe seemed to be working bloody hard.
All I can imagine is the faces of goldschmidt, arenado, Molina, wainwright, etc (older star players) being “corrected and taught” by a 35 yr old never was yes man. Like really wtf kind of hire is this for a seasoned team?? This is something you do when your to start or are in the middle of a rebuild. And the bs of POC hire is just beating a dead horse now. Give the bs up already. No one’s ever going to be happy about anything no matter the color. How about crying that the baseball is white. Demand that should be a color as well while your at it. Move on with your thin-skin political garbage and talk about the actual hire of being a good or bad fit for a team. SMH
Marmol has been with the organization since Waino’s second full season and Yadi’s third.
The Cardinals are arguably the whitest team in Baseball. Good to see some more “color.” That said, while a few players still hold on to prejudicial views, by and large they are far ahead of fans when toleration is considered. Why? Because they work, play and live together. They know better!
“The first manager of color in over 80 years”
Except Tony LA Russa’s mother was from Spain. And he speaks Spanish too. Guess he doesn’t count huh? So quick to play the race stuff you lied by omission
Are you that stupid to think that Spanish people are persons of color?
So then how is Marmol a person of color? Lol
That’s… immediately offended for someone else posture; then…oh. Lol.
Asked and answered, African or Native American heritage.
You seem to be confused with ethnicity and race. Both La Russa and Marmol have ancestors from Hispanidad which would make them hispanic or latino Americans. But too my knowledge only one, Marmol, has African or Native American heritage which would make him “of color” whereas La Russa would still be considered white by American racial definition. For the record, there are hundreds of millions of white hispanics. Another example would be Jerry Garcia and Jennifer Lopez, both hispanic only one “of color”.
What a dud of a hire! A yes man who speaks Spanish! Just what the resume requires
person of color-stopped reading when I saw that. Guess I should delete this app now that it is no longer a sports app. Let’s go Brandon!
Lol
You meant “Let’s parole Bannon”..
“I love the poorly educated”
Marmot will be a crap manager
Marmollous.
That’s awful as I was hoping they would hire Aaron Boone if he got fired.
But he got an extension last week
Most comments are saying this is a bad hire.
Article mentions other clubs had interest in this guy as they saw him as a rising manager.
Whose opinion would you rather take?
website guys vs mlb FO guys????
You mean website guys vs article writer. There were no names given of the other teams that were interested. It could be a complete fabrication of a source like they do all day everyday.
Guess we know who the brains of the operation was during their unprecedented winning streak.
Being colorful doesn’t make you a good ANYTHING!
Look at our great Manager luis rojas!
This race bs needs to stop!
Hire the best candidate regardless of race!
Mozeliak is turning this organization into a joke. You fire a manager that got you to the playoffs 3 years in a row because of philosophy differences. Then hire the guy that Schildt drafted and tutored his whole career. I wonder what philosophical difference Marmol processes that he didn’t tell Schildt?
It’s pretty readily available if you do just a minimum of research on it. Marmol is more willing to incorporate analytics into the every-day decision making where Shildt was resistant to it. Management had to step in to get Sosa more atbats when DeJong was terrible for instance. They clearly want to move to a more numbers-based approach rather than defined bullpen roles and gut-feel decisions.
Something smells rotten in STL. What are they hiding?
Good luck to Marmol and the Cards, hope to beat you guys in the World Series next year.
A Yankees vs Cards series would be miles above in class and interest compared to the inbred series we are getting this year.
Perhaps the most asinine post I’ve read all day, and that’s really saying something
Cardinals got their yes man. Unfortunately he’ll be gone in 2 years. He’ll get tired of taking orders from people who don’t know how to run an organization.
They might not have been to the Series since 2013 but I don’t understand how anyone can look at a team that has had one losing season in 20 years and say the people who run it don’t know what they’re doing.
Schildt seemed to make a point to recognize his appreciation for Marmol in his farewell press conference. I’m assuming it was a “no hard feelings and good luck” thing because this was in the works the whole time.
I will be holding off my opinion, I can see each side of the argument for him as manager and for someone from the outside. What I am looking at is he will be the youngest manager in MLB. I have wanted them to infuse some youth into their staff for a few years now, so I am ok waiting to see if he is the “yes, man” everyone is saying he will be, or if he will be the one to take a newer approach to handling the staff. Because in the end I believe a manager’s main job is really to be a bullpen manager. The lineup and defensive positioning works itself out with the other coaches and a professional hitter should be able to hit from anywhere in the lineup. This is all about how the pitching staff will be handled.
When life gives you Marmols, make marmolade.
I was trying to find a “Lady Marmalade” reference, but this works.
Hey, how the new Cards manager likes to dress at night is his own business….
So keep it in house so no other teams know what your cheating err doing
Proof or stfu.
another bad hire by the GM he will not make it a whole season.
Nothing against Oliver Marmol, because I know nothing about him, but this hire 100 percent confirms that Moze and Co. want complete control in that dugout, and Shildt wasn’t going to give it to them. A 35 year old with zero experience will.
I hope his assistant coaches are called Marmol-aids.
Mo has Dewitt brain wash so sad to see this great Organization take this stupid step .
I guess managment wanted a “yes man”.
Pretty funny reading the exact safe stuff that was said about the Shildt hiring, then reading that Shildt was greatest thing ever and run out on a rail. Cards fans are mostly fine with what transpired, the rest can eat it while the Cardinals continue to put forth winning teams year after year despite not picking top 10 or having a top 5 payroll in any season going back to 2000.
Thanks for weighing in Mr DeWitt.
Ollie The Puppet Night seems way too logical of a giveaway not to market.
That was really fast
This kid had been picked and groomed for this jobs several years ago. On the bright side within 3 years Ollie and Molazak will be gone.
Sorry to be cynical, but it sounds like Mozeliak just wanted somebody who would take orders and shut up. One thing, though. The Cardinals better make the postseason next year or both Mozeliak and Marmol could be gone. Firing a manager with a .559 winning percentage is risky in the first place. Hiring a replacement with no managerial experience makes it riskier. A bad season in 2022 might make it (metaphorically) fatal.
That might be the case in a lot of organizations. However, Mozeliak and Dewitt Jr are in total lockstep. All these people who predict Mo’s demise fail to recognize that DeWitt knows he would never get anyone else to do his bidding so absolutely. The Cardinals will keep Mozeliak until he either has about 3 consecutive losing seasons, which isn’t going to happen, or if he gets embroiled in some sort of scandal that he can’t pin on a leutenant.