The Cardinals have fired manager Mike Shildt, as first reported by Rob Rains of StLSportsPage (Twitter link). At a press conference announcing the news, St. Louis president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told reporters (including Jeff Passan of ESPN) the organization made the decision based on “philosophical differences” between Shildt and the front office about the direction of the franchise.
It’s a shocking development, since there was no prior indication Shildt’s job was in jeopardy. Indeed, the broader expectation as recently as last week had been that Shildt and the team would try to work out a contract extension, with his current deal running only through the 2022 season. Instead, the Cardinals will go in another direction in spite of the club’s strong run of play during Shildt’s tenure.
Today’s announcement concludes Shildt’s nearly two decades in the Cardinal organization. The 53-year-old began his career as a scout and minor league coach in the St. Louis system in the early 2000’s, steadily working his way up the organizational ladder. By 2017, he’d earned a spot on the big league coaching staff, and he took over as the major league manager on an interim basis in July 2018 when the club fired Mike Matheny. The team removed the interim tag a month later.
St. Louis won the NL Central and advanced to the NLCS in 2019, Shildt’s first full season at the helm. They finished in second place and lost in the Wild Card round during last year’s shortened season. This year, the Cardinals hovered right around .500 for the first few months before rattling off a miraculous 17-game win streak in September to coast to a Wild Card spot. St. Louis lost to the Dodgers in last week’s Wild Card game and ultimately won just one playoff series during Shildt’s tenure, but the club advanced to the playoffs all three years in which he was at the helm.
While there’s little to quibble with from a results perspective, the front office clearly determined a new voice was needed behind the scenes. While announcing the news, Mozeliak noted that the Cardinals believe they have “quality internal candidates” who could be options to step into the manager’s office, although he declined additional comment when asked whether the team planned to stay internal or look outside the organization for Shildt’s replacement (via Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post). Mozeliak added that he hoped the rest of the coaching staff would return in 2022, although that’s yet to be determined.
Given the Cardinals’ success under Shildt, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him land another coaching or managerial position elsewhere in the near future. He was named the National League’s manager of the year in 2019 and his teams posted a 252-199 record (55.9% winning percentage) over the past three-plus seasons.
The Cardinals become the third team looking for a new manager this offseason. The Padres fired Jayce Tingler a few days after the end of the regular season, while the Mets announced they would not pick up their 2022 option on skipper Luis Rojas.
Wtf???
I wasn’t expecting this at all
See ya toots
Pretty stunning
Lololololololololol
What a silly move
Cardinals
Bad news, Cards fans. If Milwaukee fixes their offense this offseason, they are going to win the NL Central by 10+ games next year regardless of who the Cards’ manager is. Milwaukee’s pitching (both starters and bullpen) is top 2 or top 3 in all of baseball and well ahead of even a decent Cardinals rotation. Can’t wait to see what Moz says next year when they are right back in the same place as they were in 2021…fighting for a second wild card berth.
Can I get the lotto numbers while you’re at it, nostradamus?
Milwaukee will just wilt at the end of the regular season just like this year (IF they lead the division at all, but especially if they have a double digit lead at any point in September) so it won’t matter if they fix the offense. And I doubt they’ll do that anyway, because it costs money, and they’re giving all of that to Yelich to yawn at strike 3, for out number 3, in the 9th inning of a win or go home playoff game.
Dorothy-Mantooth is one of the soothsaying Sawx fans who last winter said Bloom was in over his head and Keekay wasn’t worth $14M for two years.
I hear they are gonna make a play for Buck Showalter.
No you didn’t and no they aren’t.
it seems the trend is going back to seasoned, leadership and you don’t get more seasoned than Showalter. However, the leadership that still needs to go is Moe.
That is surprising. Have to wait and see why of course but on the surface it’s definitely a head scratcher
Eh. I guess scorching earth and winning 17 in a row to earn a playoff birth doesn’t count for anything anymore
This surprises me. I think he will find a job pretty quickly. Padres?
This is Mets all the way
whoa!
Cards had a lot of pitching injuries this year, no fault of Shildt’s.
This is a sad move, guy should have been given more time.
But pitching a guy that is struggling in a tie game isn’t smart either get Hudson or Jack up. Never play for tomorrow in a tournament.
Dave law, you’re right. The team had a very weak rotation in spring training and even that went to crap with injuries because of no depth. This is a front office and owner problem, not Shildts problem. They need to rebuild the pitching staff around Flaherty and Hudson. Keep Waino for leadership and a few wins but don’t rely on a 40 year old to give you more than 6-8 decent starts. Dump Martinez and Carp and DeJong and go after some good starters and one of those 5 excellent FA short stops and give Knizner a chance to fish or cut bait. We’ve watched several decent catchers traded off because the team played Yadi constantly. Give Knizner a chance and replace him around mid season if he doesn’t produce on offense. The rest of the team will be solid. Will any of this happen with a tight fisted owner like DeWitt? Pretty unlikely.
3 years, 3 consecutive post seasons . Definitely sounds like it was time to go! Lol
For a middling team too. It’s not like he’s taking the best team in the league to the playoffs and then losing.
Unlike Aaron Boone.
@jdgoat Exactly jdgoat. If anything this team over performed. I don’t see them winning 91 next year, barring any huge additions which is very possible.
Whitey Herzog finished first with the Royals 76-78. He didn’t in 79 and was axed.
Not to mention that he took over in 2018 for Mike Matheny (47-46) and then went 41-28 to close out the year. 252-199 (.559) over ~3+ seasons. Have to think someone (Mets, Padres) will back up the Brinks truck for this guy.
Typical, Classless, John Mozeliak philosophy. Condensed into this phrase—
“Stupid is as Stupid does!!”
next article Padres looking at Mike Shildt
The next article will probably be something about Jon Heyman reporting that the Mariners had interest in trading for a backup second baseman at the trade deadline, but ultimately didn’t do it.
Sounds like an interesting read
Insane, this guy is great. Mets and Padres can’t possibly mess this up more than the Cardinals. Hire the guy!
*Hold my beer* – Mets front office.
Mets not messing up would be the first step in the right direction for that franchise.
They been stuck on that step since the Titanic’s maiden voyage.
Based upon what measurements is he great? Everyone thinks he’s the reason they made the playoffs when in fact they made the playoffs in SPITE of his horrendous decision making during the season.
He’s no better than Matheny. Has no clue how to run the bullpen. Plus, he slotted Carpenter in the cleanup spot like 8 different times during the season. Who in their right mind bats the worst hitter on the team at #4 ??
Finally, in the WC game, he proceeds to put Reyes into the game in the 9th…. the guy who is most likely to give up a big hit out of everyone in that bullpen. Horrible decision that cost them the game/playoffs.
2018:
Matheny – 47-46
Schildt – 41-28
Same players (potentially a little worse since they traded Pham away), drastically different record. Not sure you can say he’s ‘no better than Matheny’ when he lead the same team to a much better record. Small sample size, though, I will concede.
Jonny — What are you talking about? Shildt took over a meandering team playing terrible sloppy ball. They led the NL in fielding errors and every time they got a man in scoring position Carp or someone else would run the bases like a blind man and kill a possible rally. Matheny burned out every decent reliever we had. Shildt came in with the team on track to lose 85 games and got them playing better defense than they had for years and he got Oqendo to work with them on base running basics and stopped the mistakes there immediately. Between his arrival in mid July and the end of that first season we saw the team turned around. Instead of losing 84 games they won that many. Shildt then went on to win manager of the year. The only reason he got fired is because he’s not a yes man for Moz and DeWitt. He wanted to win, they wanted to win without going after the talent needed to get it done. I think they head downhill next year. The one saving grace could be DeWitt selling the team to a new owner who cares more about winning than he does about the bottom line.
I would’ve preferred to get rid of C-Mart. This is definitely a surprise and a head-scratching move for sure.
But…we did already
C-Mart IS gone.
He IS gone though, assuming they don’t pick up his option
Club limiting move. Well done, Cards. We Reds fans approve.
He must be devastated being a loyal Cardinals lifer. He brought along some young players and led them to the wild card with a mediocre pitching staff. If it wasn’t for Kapler, I would have voted for him to be NL Manager of the year.
I didn’t know you had a vote, I’m gonna start addressing you with a little bit more respect. Ahahahaha!
Obviously none of the people posting here watch any Cards games. He made so many terrible decisions. The team succeeded to a point IN SPITE of his managing. Let’s start with Reyes and Carpenter.
This team has a lot of potential. But not with him.
I agree
Obviously we don’t , but we all see on paper that Braves, Brewers, Dodgers and Giants have better teams than the Cards. Well, maybe Giants not, but they are defying the laws of baseball this year in any aspect.
The worst was when Goldschmidt or Arenado had a day off and he’d just put Carpenter in their spot in the order instead of 8th.
There’s a lot of competition for worst. I’ll give you top 5 though.
@fanclub6 Everyone says that about their manager. It’s ironic, but fans of the team are often the worse judge of their team’s manager.
I have rarely said that about my team in over 50 years. Vern Rapp was terrible, Kenny Boyer was not much better. But then we had 3 great managers in a row for over 30 year. So I disagree with your comment.
It was time for Matheny to go and apparaently time for Shildt to go as well.
I watch cardinal games and trust me, there wasn’t a good reason to. I get what Reyes did, but don’t fire him over that. Plus Carpenter didn’t even get much playing time and was a bench bat. Plus he’s gone regardless cause he’s a free agent
I watched every game this season.
I agree he made some bonehead decisions, but none worse than bringing in Reyes to get 1 out against the Dodgers in a win or go home game that was tied.
That, or stopping a 17 game winning streak and taking away their season ending momentum by benching as many starters as he could the remaining games following the 17th win and clinching a wild card spot. It was hard to watch. I doubt that pleased the fans that went to the games or the front office who wanted those fans in the seats.
Lol wtf. Wow
Cashman, are you paying attention? Here’s your chance.
I don’t think you want to see small-town Mike be completely lost in NYC. His managing would be exposed so quickly. His main strength is being a “player’s manager.”
Torre 2.0
Sign me up for some of that.
philosophical differences.
Mike: I want to win.
Cards brass: we DON’T want to win. you’re fired.
Mike: Extend me or fire me.
Cards: OK, done.
That’s what I was thinking, if you can’t make the call to extend a guy and a lame duck manager is a distraction so you cut ties. Mike’s getting paid regardless. That said, it’s still a front office call, so if they flop in 2022….
Mike: who is that hot chick in that photo? I want of piece of that action!
Dewitt: That’s my daughter!!!!
Then cue to Benny Hill seen…
Where did you see Benny Hill?
Crap….
Benny Hill? Wasn’t he that shortstop in the Seattle organization?
ANY Benny Hill reference is gold!
Mike Schildt; I’d like a different Head hitting coach for 2022.
John Mozeliak; Sounds reasonable— “You’re Fired!”
lol wow. What the hell do you have to do to keep your job? Nobody (outside of maybe Cards fans) had the Cardinals winning 91 games. They performed really well. Mets should hire Schildt.
Err it would help if I spelled his name right. Shildt.
Maybe there was a clubhouse personality conflict or a philosophical disagreement between him and the front office. A surprise for sure.
Bill DeWitt Jr. is the surprise!!!! He knows this firing is Wrong. DeWitt knows Mozeliak does not like Schildt.
This is just another power move by John Mozeliak !!! Right or wrong—- it’s Mo’s way or the Highway!!
The Owners have no say so at all!!!!!
I’m going to guess that it came down to Jeff Albert. Cardinals want him to stay in as hitting coach, Shildt probably wanted him out. Only a guess.
I’d love to see the Cardinals aim high and see if they can hire away Kevin Cash.
Or Kash Patel.
Or Crash Davis…
No one cares about hitting coaches. Heck, most veterans have their own private hitting coaches.
No good reason to fire Schildt, I am thinking that something beyond just baseball is at work here.
Una opción mas para Boone!
Let’s go Mets!
Oh Shildt!
So much for that picture of Cardinals kumbaya in St. Louis.
Guy went to 3 playoff appearances in 3 years. Not sure what they were expecting. Seemed pretty solid to me.
Making the wildcard game is not the playoffs it’s a play in game and he has never been a great manager! Poor decision after poor decision cost him his job look at the wildcard game in the bottom of the 9th! Now that being said Cardinals need to go out and get a veteran manager or this move makes no sense!
Riiiiiight, because the 106 win 2021 dodgers are such a slouch.
The NL wildcard this year’s was like playing the NLCS level team. It’s a fluke you saw that level of talent as a wildcard, I’m no statistician but I’m not sure the same division has ever turned out a pair of 105+ win teams before..
That sure sounds like Schildt either refused to fire a couple of his coaches, or refused to accept one or two new ones.
Or Yadi wanted him gone.
Pop Warner, should have been moved from third base last year.
If it is an insider maybe It’s Marmel. Ouendo, or Stubby.
It’s amazing how many so-called fans of the Cardinals can’t even spell the guy’s name right.
Not a Cards fan, but this was pretty unexpected. High standards in St. Louis.
Very surprising move considering the success Shildt has had the regard most of the baseball world has for him.
Not sure Shildt is that well regarded at all. He’s a valuable organization liason, not a manager.
kinda surprised the yankees arent being mentioned, since when is boone a lock to come back?
Probably since it’s been mentioned that Hal is leaning towards retaining Boone. Hal is happy with 90 wins and a playoff birth, winning a championship would just be a happy bonus
I am thinking of ‘internal options’ leads to the Cardinals announcing Jose Oquendo as new manager.
Maybe in 2006. He’s been long surpassed by Marmol. I don’t think Oquendo has had a managerial interview since the Nationals, and that was like 2010.
I thought Stubby Clapp was next man up
Could be either, I’d think. Marmol was Shildt’s right-hand man for in-game management, though.
A Stubby Clapp is never next man up…
Yadi will be the manager of the Future.
Pujols the new hitting Coach.
Adam Wainwright will be the new pitching coach.
Season 2023
The oldest baseball rule still applies. No matter what went wrong, fire the manager.
Lol Cardinals are a mess
MetsFan22, My 77-85 prediction for the Mets was on the money. You promised to stop posting if that came true.
Dude… You’re a Mets fan
Do you even watch baseball?
Mets22 why – I know I am dreaming to expect a response- do you continually denigrate virtually all other baseball teams? Virtually every thread you post in regarding the subject matter of a team not involving the Mets, ends up with making nasty and snarky remarks. Why?
Zusu says: “Daddy, every time MetsFan22 denigrates another team, something bad happens to the Mets.”
Keep denigrating, Metsie!
“They have quality internal candidates”
In other words, Schildt was a dead man walking and had no idea.
Showalter- Cards
Tingler-Mets (will do anything owner wants)
Bochy-Padres
Schildt-?
Twins?
Bochy. Retired!
I am so happy. Maybe, for the first time since 2011, the Cardinals will finally nab a qualified manager and not an in-house square fitting into a circle peg.
I do think Marmol would be a quality promote, though.
You’re about to be disappointed, I’m afraid.
The philosophical difference with the FO was probably that Shildt refused to fire Marmol.
Based on what? Marmol seems like he’s on the same page as what the front office desires. Has been in the organization since 2007 but is still only 35 and comes from a different generation than Shildt — and he’s much more analytically inclined.
In my job I’ve run into a couple cards players and a couple former cards minors players, and they say marmol is an absolute d#ck. Will throw anybody under the bus. So yes they may give him the job, but somebody like that loses the locker room very quickly. Internal I’d hope clapp, outside younger I’d say Schumacher. Older outside I’d say joe mcewing
They replaced Mike Matheny with Shildt specifically because he was aligned with the analytical side of baseball. It’s not the analytics, Shildt was with the organization for many years and won several awards as a manager in the minors. This makes no sense at all. The fans deserve a much better explanation from Mo than “philosophical differences.” That’s just ridiculous – and arrogant.
If they stay within the organization than Stubby Clapp, Jose Oquendo, or Willie McGee immediately come to mind. Outside the organization Joe McEwing could be a possibility
“philosophical differences”
Yea like “Don’t put that *#%$&@ guy on the mound !!!!!”
Yada gets what Yadi wants in St. Louis.
WTF
Skip Schumaker
would love that honestly
I came here to say this too. Skip Schumaker would be awesome to have as our manager.
He is not an internal option, but he does have ties to the organization.
Your new Cardinals manager, Pop Warner! I personally would like to see Skip Schumacher make a return to STL.
He’ll be hired by the Padres before the month is over.
There has to be more to this story.
Shildt had moderate success. With Goldy, Nolan, Waino and Yadi approaching social security this is it…time is now. Shildt just found out that Mo still has the juice. The Redbirds will hire a manger that will be similarly successful and Shildt will land on his feet.
Jose Oquendo
Philosophical differences may mean the FO wanted to swap out a couple of coaches and Shildt defended them. Alternatively, maybe Shildt wanted more freedom making out the lineup card.
Marmol was responsible for most in-game decisions as the Bench Coach as well as being the liaison from the analytics department to the players. To me he seems like the one that was most likely to be canned.
Boy—- were you wrong on that one.
Cards are built for the regular season and not the playoffs. It’s not Shilts fault
What are you basing that on? A one-game playoff?
Yes!!!!
The Yearly 4 main goals of The Cardinals
1. Have a .500 record at the end of the season
2. Trade no highly rated prospects for quality, proven, impact current mlb players.
3. Insure 3 million tickets are sold each year.
4. Making the post season without making in season improvements to advance further than the first round.
5. Always agree with Captain John Mozeliak
Dumbest move ever!!! How about John Mozeliak starts taking accountability!!!
What?? How does Boone keep his job with that payroll and he loses his?
Boone is a solid manager. He led the Yankees a 103-59 record in 2019 despite an uncommon rash of injuries. Career won/loss percentage of .601. If not for some Astros shenanigans, things might have been different. But they, let’s fire the manager. Fans are funny that way. So anxious to fire someone. I suppose it makes them feel authoritative.
Seems like the Red Birds are willing to do what the Yankees are unwilling to do.
He’ll have another job by the end of the World Series.
But this is a surprising move by the Cards to say the least.
Was the lemonade not sweet enough for the Cardinals? No one thought you were going to compete let alone go on a 15 game win streak. What more could they have asked of their manager?
Fans are on board with it because they overrate the talent, which is always the case.
He was pretty successful and the team he got from Mo has some weaknesses but I guess after spending for arenado and goldy expections just got a little higher.
Still the cards have only about the 5th or 6th most talented roster in the nl but I guess philosophical differences mean that he is more old school and not open to implement Saber metrics and the cards need that to squeeze the last bit out of their talent
I honestly don’t even think their roster is in the top 10 in the NL. I think they played over their expectations which is usually a credit to the manager and roster construction. Keep in mind they were the hottest thing in baseball for a the last month or so.
I think they are easily top10.
Dodgers, giants, padres, braves and Brewers are more talented and reds, Phillies and Mets are maybe about even with them. That would put them like 6 to 8th or so.
Don’t forget they were bad in the First half but also had lots of injuries
I have the Dodgers, Braves, Giants, Brewers, Padres as definitely better than the Cards. I’d take the Phillies, Mets and perhaps the Reds as well. So yeah. I spoke too hastily. Definitely top 10 in the NL, but closer to 10 than 1 IMO.
Ozzie or Willie…..
Pujols
Personally would have kept him around, better than many who still have their jobs.
Cardinals schildt all over this guy.
Mike Shildt wants the Cardinals to act like one of MLB teams that it is near the top of revenue and spend some $$$$ on quality FA’S. Cardinals owners and FO probably resisted the need to spend big. Like the now cheap Ricketts, the poor Cubs and Cardinals had Biblical losses during the pandemic.
Every team in baseball can afford to spend. No exceptions.
Schildt was so much better than matheny. Also, the players definitely had his back way more. Moz must be feeling pressure & needed a fall guy… sad for schildt, but he’ll find another gig (me thinks anyway).
John Gibbons
Welcome to the Mets. Let the bad puns and easy jokes fly when the Schildt hits the fan in the big apple.
Jim stem FYI no “c” in Shildt
Sorry about the ‘c’. I’m Pennsylvania Dutch – the ‘c’ is very common in names that use ‘Sh’ as the first sound around here. Just a habit.
I might be out of touch with the Cardinals fanbase, but was this necessary? I thought this guy was a great clubhouse manager and was really getting them back on track to being that playoff contender they always are? Yet David Ross got an extension?
Maybe using Reyes in the 9th instead of Somebody like Flaherty did him in? in the WC game?
If Shildt was saving somebody like Flaherty if they win for the NLDS, then you don’t want that guy managing your team in the postseason.
All hands on deck!!
So glad to see him gone! Thought we’d be stuck with him after two weeks of good baseball.
He probably wanted to fire Alberts the hitting coach who came from the Astros during their cheating scandal. O’Neil and Bader both improved this year after going and getting their own personal hitting coach’s . Everyone else has regressed under Albert. Mo fired every hitting coach in the organization that opposed Alberts methods the last few years.
Makes more sense than anything else I’ve heard.
Good Riddance. Look no further than his clueless pressers and you’ll get a sense just how ridiculous his hire was in the first place. Get a real manager. Go outside the organization or they’ll just be repeating this cycle every two or three years.
I do not want Yadi as the player manager as manager’s ultimately get fired. I don’t want Yadi’s legacy to be tainted in any way
Shildt out. Molina in.
I’d take Schildt on the yankees
He won’t be unemployed for long. The San Antonio Scorpions will need a manager when they come into the league.
Any in demand candidate would take the job in SanDiego over St. Louis. No real manager wants to put up with Molina and his diva behavior.
Something is on the radar with Shildt… This wasn’t no matter what Mo said due to “philosophical differences.” Rumors says it’s Mark McGuire’s job to turn down…
The NL Central would love for that to be true.
What I don’t get is that STL asked for permission from the league to release this news today with the elimination NLDS game going on, which a Washington Post reporter said indicates it’s “urgent” and then they say it’s “philosophical differences”.
It’s weird enough they’re firing him after being relatively successful, but stuff like that makes me wonder what else there is to the story.
Could be they are wanting to make an offer to someone that is in high demand and have to move quickly. Or, it could be they want to bury the story under the playoffs.
That is why I think its something more than just baseball.
Meanwhile Girardi still napping.
…..and playing the veterans…
St. Louis is boring.
One of the greatest 3rd basemen of all time. I’m surprised..
Yadi is announced as the player-manger for 2022
Something is on the radar with Shildt… This wasn’t no matter what Mo said due to “philosophical differences.” Rumors says it’s Mark McGuire’s job to turn down…
3 straight years in the postseason with teams that were not expected to be there and they fire him? Something else other than baseball going on here. Or maybe he refused to fire one of his coaches. Whatever the reason, he will not be unemployed long.
NO SHILDT !!
I know. I Shildt my pants when I read the news.
Being a city slicker myself, I always got a kick out of Shildt’s laconic farmboy drawl and practical common sense approach/demeanor. Dude cracked me up.
Mets
Mike is up Schilt’s Creek without a paddle.
This being a rumors site, let me start by saying Shilt was caught sexting Bill DeWitt Jr.’s wife.
He will have a job quickly. Terrible move by the GM. Big EGOs here.
…And after he just invested in a St Louis fitness franchise. Lol
Yeah that diva Molina whose around for one final season will make a difference in any managers decision to come to St. Louis.
Not that it matters. They won’t hire anyone but a puppet within the organization. My guess is they’ll hire Clapp and that clown Albert will be allowed to continue as the hitting coach per Bowtie’s orders.
It’s probably political. I wouldn’t be surprised if Manfred told MO that his team is too white.
You also might not be surprised if pigs can fly, but you should be.
Their starters certainly do lean caucasian, but I think they’ve met their diversity requirements in the bullpen and on the bench.
In the Cards last 8 postseason games from the last 3 years, they have only scored 1 run or less in 5 of those games. 3 times against the Nationals while being swept, once against the Padres last year, and this year’s WC game.
That is the primary reason Schildt was fired. That and Mozeliak knows that he went all in on Arenado and Goldschmidt and neither are producing the way they did before they came to St. Louis. Arenado had his worst offensive year since his rookie year (2020 doesn’t count) and he is under contract for like 6 more years.
Johnny Mo wants to save his job and thinks they need a manager that will help produce better run support, especially in the postseason. There you go. It isn’t hard to figure out people.
Ahh, yes. Send me the postseason-extra-run-support manager.
I’m just saying managers get fired all the time for performance and the Cards anemic postseason offense the last 3 years is a huge reason why Schildt was fired.
You fire a manager if you think that a change will help with the problems of the team. Anemic offense is a problem of the team. Post-30 years old Arenado is a concern and part of that.
That’s an odd one. They went 21-2 down the stretch. It feels like there has to be more to the story.
Bring back Tony.
Haha.
They should hire me for the position I would bring a World Series to St Louis. I deserve the position
I hope Albert goes with him
the cards must have some shildty emails
#grudem
Just remember that there are two kinds of Managers, the ones that have been fired and those that will be fired.
You have to wonder if this had to do with continuing to play Carpenter and him including Reyes on the Postseason Roster. I knew as soon as Reyes came in the game was over.
The Carpenter angle doesn’t make sense. If the front office didn’t want Shildt to play Carpenter, they could have just released or traded him. They did that with Matheny. When he insisted on playing certain players, they just got rid of those players. I’m guessing the guy who ordered Carp into the lineup wears a bowtie. The Reyes thing is overblown. Yes it stings to lose that game after the terrific end to the season, but we only scored ONE run. It’s something else and I think that something else would be embarrassing to Mo if it got out. That’s why this happened the way it did and why Jeff Albert gets to keep his job.
Yet Jon Daniels is still employed smh
We want Stubby Clapp!
You say that now. But once you have it you won’t be able to get rid of it fast enough…
He always came across as a huge d-bag and I’d say he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
This was surprising. I guess the Cards fans know more of everything behind it.
I forgot that managers of playoffs teams can get fired. MLB is coming completely back.
Two takes from this: 1) Preller will be calling for Shildt. Just can’t see him going to the Mets. They will hire a “seasoned manager” 2) Since O’Neill was mentioned above it’s opens the door to mention he’s the next guy getting a steroid related suspension. McGuire was his private hitting coach however they never brought any bats to the hitting practice. Only lotion to try to conceal the BB marks on the face and an oversized batting helmet.
Giants got screwed
Go Dodgers.
Angels…
Unreal. What does a guy have to do to be impressive to Cards FO?!?! He will have a job shortly elsewhere. Padres???
I deserve the position. I will deliver results because it’s my name. I have been working on algorithm for 4 years and I can built a World Series winner. Sad they hire fools for these positions. Missing key components and I do this just because I enjoy the numbers. They sit in offices for hours, sweating, wondering what they can do to get over the wall. I have achieved that status. I deserve to be hired for all of the positions available
There is quite a few glory holes that could use your obvious talents.
That is funny.
Is that you, Dr. Daystrom?
He was more boring than the city of St. Louis.
The disconnect between “Mo sucks because the Cards have winning teams that just make the playoffs and don’t compete for championships” and “Shildt is great because he makes the playoffs” is staggering.
Add him to the list for the San Diego Padres, Mets etc..
Cardinals need to shore up their roster. It was a very good team with some holes and not a World Series team this year.
As usual, the Manager takes the fall for the Front Office failures
in building a complete roster.
When You’re Out of SHILDT,
You’re OUT of BEER !!
Any team that’s not hiring Storm Davis right now to be their coach is a dinosaur. Do it now!
Whoever Yadi wants most likely Oquendo,Yadi gets.Yadi did not want Shildt anymore and that is why he was fired.Maybe Yadi setting up for himself to be Mgr.
I predict Jose Oquendo will be named as the new manager.
The fact of the matter is the Cardinals are we’re talented enough to win the division, but injuries happened at the wrong times and it causes them to take setbacks which lead to a .500 year most of the year. Obviously I don’t know what was different in September, but whatever it was it worked. We won 17 straight and we got into the playoffs. We get there and we have to face a 106 win team. There was no way they should have been in that game with the Dodgers, but they some how, some way, we’re tied with them all the way to the bottom of the 9th, and guess how we lost? Shildt mismanaged the bullpen, which if you watched the majority of close Cardinals games under Shildt, that happened a lot. That’s one of the big reasons he got fired i’m sure. Don’t get me wrong Shildt is a good manager, but he is not the guy for a contending team so my advice for San Diego and New York if they want to win, look else where.
And oh yeah, Matt Holiday is going to be the next manager of the St. Louis Cardinals.
Don’t know what is so surprising to these so call baseball experts and or fans. The team sucked up until a few weeks in September. A lot of us called for him to be booted mid season.
Oh No Jose Molina not returning to Angels staff could it be coming to Cardinals to be Mgr
that would keep Yadi happy.
Does anyone remember back in June when Tommy Edman commented on the teams lack of preparation with offensive game planning? Maybe his firing had something to do with that.
Yet Jeff Albert is keeping his job. Curious.
I have a different philosophy than the GM in St Louis. I wouldn’t trade away all my best players than blame it on them manager.
Has to be more to come on this. The Cardinals are typically loyal to a fault to their staff. He has shown in the past that he can be can be excitable, I wonder if the postseason review meeting got out of hand and he said some things that caused an irreparable rift.