The Cardinals have fired manager Mike Shildt, as first reported by Rob Rains of StLSportsPage (Twitter link). At a press conference announcing the news, St. Louis president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told reporters (including Jeff Passan of ESPN) the organization made the decision based on “philosophical differences” between Shildt and the front office about the direction of the franchise.
It’s a shocking development, since there was no prior indication Shildt’s job was in jeopardy. Indeed, the broader expectation as recently as last week had been that Shildt and the team would try to work out a contract extension, with his current deal running only through the 2022 season. Instead, the Cardinals will go in another direction in spite of the club’s strong run of play during Shildt’s tenure.
Today’s announcement concludes Shildt’s nearly two decades in the Cardinal organization. The 53-year-old began his career as a scout and minor league coach in the St. Louis system in the early 2000’s, steadily working his way up the organizational ladder. By 2017, he’d earned a spot on the big league coaching staff, and he took over as the major league manager on an interim basis in July 2018 when the club fired Mike Matheny. The team removed the interim tag a month later.
St. Louis won the NL Central and advanced to the NLCS in 2019, Shildt’s first full season at the helm. They finished in second place and lost in the Wild Card round during last year’s shortened season. This year, the Cardinals hovered right around .500 for the first few months before rattling off a miraculous 17-game win streak in September to coast to a Wild Card spot. St. Louis lost to the Dodgers in last week’s Wild Card game and ultimately won just one playoff series during Shildt’s tenure, but the club advanced to the playoffs all three years in which he was at the helm.
While there’s little to quibble with from a results perspective, the front office clearly determined a new voice was needed behind the scenes. While announcing the news, Mozeliak noted that the Cardinals believe they have “quality internal candidates” who could be options to step into the manager’s office, although he declined additional comment when asked whether the team planned to stay internal or look outside the organization for Shildt’s replacement (via Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post). Mozeliak added that he hoped the rest of the coaching staff would return in 2022, although that’s yet to be determined.
Given the Cardinals’ success under Shildt, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him land another coaching or managerial position elsewhere in the near future. He was named the National League’s manager of the year in 2019 and his teams posted a 252-199 record (55.9% winning percentage) over the past three-plus seasons.
The Cardinals become the third team looking for a new manager this offseason. The Padres fired Jayce Tingler a few days after the end of the regular season, while the Mets announced they would not pick up their 2022 option on skipper Luis Rojas.
Wtf???
Well, I like Schildt but I believe it’s the right decision. In the last three seasons in the playoffs we lost against the Nationals 2019, Padres 2020 and this year against the super team; Dodgers. We did not even win the division this year. Thank you Shildt for everything that you did for the Cardinals. It would be cool to see Yadi as a player and manager as the same time. I believe Yadi would be an excellent manager.
He reached playoffs at least – that is a winning.
It’s not enough because what is the point of getting to the playoff when your team cannot win. Schildt is a good manager, but the change is necessary. Also, the Cardinals should look for a new hitting coach. This is an excellent move by Mozeliak. If the Padres or Mets want Schildt is available.
The Cardinals upset the Braves in 2019. Last year was weird. This year they lost a Wild Card playoff to the 106-win Dodgers. I don’t like the Cardinals but you make no sense.
Except no one ever predicted them to actually win anything….
Shildt was not fired due to productivity. I’d bet he was most likely fired due to a philosophical belief that had been festering for a while and the Cardinals decided it was better to cut ties now than drag it out for another year.
Or maybe he kissed the owner’s wife. Who knows?
Yadi probably wanted him gone.
Here’s the deal with St Louis, and I heard it on a Yankees pod cast, they are having the same problem the Yankees are, it’s analytics! You can hire and fire all you want and do all that and spend 230 million dollars and get beat by the 70 million dollar Tampa Bay Ray’s or the 90 million dollar Milwakee Brewers because they are smarter than you. They are ahead of you by every step of the way in the book and will beat you by miles because they play smarter baseball than you, so I hope the reason they fired Shildt was because he was refusing analytics and they plan on bringing in someone who is analytics first and start running this thing like a damn science club like the Ray’s and Brewers are doing and win 95-110 games a year
Playoffs are mostly a coin flip – especially one game wild cards. If you have an organization judging you solely based on the results in the playoffs, then they aren’t really into analytics.
They have too much talent to not win the division.
Francys, weren’t you the one talking about how great the Cardinals did in September? You were so certain the Cards would go deep in the playoffs and so happy Schildt took a team that was seemingly out of contention and actually got them in the playoffs. Now you want the guy fired? Would you feel the same way if he had beaten the Dodgers? You would really support a man losing his job because he lost one road game against a 106 win team that had Max Scherzer on the mound? My guess is none of that is true and you are really just a Homer that will support any decision the Cardinals will make and no matter what act like you believe they are poised for a deep playoff run. The Cardinals didn’t lose because of Schildt. They lost because ownership built him the worst playoff team in baseball. My guess is this guy ends up managing the Mets and Ron Washington ends up managing the Padres. We’ll see if I’m right. I was 3 for 3 last season guessing Hinch to the Tigers, Cora back to the Red Sox and La Russa climbing out of the morgue to manage his best friends team again. I’m calling it now while it’s still early. Cardinals go in house, Padres hire Ron Washington and Mets hire Mike Schildt.
No coin flip when you put in Reyes who’d given up 9 9th inning HRs over the last few months, after Schildt burned him out in the first half. Not when you’ve got a guy like Hudson who could easily have gotten Taylor who was in a 9 for 74 slump, out with a ground ball and pitched another inning or two. Flaherty was available too, as Mikolas among others. Ago hands on deck in a game such as this. Can’t worry about saving anyone for a hypothetical NLDS series.
Can’t win in the playoffs if you don’t make the playoffs. Lost to the eventual World Series champs in 2019 and defending champs in 2021. I think this is another one of those where the GM wants to control things from the air conditioned office
Counsell should have been fired at lot sooner for the same reason.
That said, unlike the Brewers, the Cards have a lot of young talent that is still developing.
@Hippyripper – How did that work out for Tampa & Milwaukee this year? Both teams lost in the opening Division Series round. The fact of the matter is that these teams aren’t good enough to win, analytics or not.
Maybe he was good enough to take an 81-win team and turn them into a 90-win team.
“Any team that doesn’t win the world series didn’t have winning seasons” is the worst take of the day.
Every team that makes the playoffs can win in the playoffs. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Dorothy_mantooth the fact of the matter is you don’t understand the playoffs are a coin flip. The rays and brewers are fine and if they played another short coin flip 5 game series they just as easily could have won.
Call me when Tampa or Milwaukee wins anything.
F- anal-Ytics ! Hit the ball where they ain’t,and play great defense!
‘Philosophical differences’ usually indicate more is wrong than a one game loss in the playoffs? Idk but that’s just what I’d think?
‘Philosophical differences’ usually indicate more is wrong than a one game loss in the playoffs? Idk but that’s just what I’d think?
I’d think Tampa and Milwakee better get to firing Counsel and Cash then don’t you Dorthymantooth? Boston has the “smartest man in baseball” according to baseball doesn’t exist and that guy doesn’t seem wrong?
Meh … Most of their key players are getting old actually. Goldschmidt, Arenado, Wainwright, Yadi. Those are not only older players but some of the most important on the team, including two of their three best hitters, their ace, and their coach-on-the-field. They are probably feeling the heat to advance far into the playoffs now, before they have to rely on their young kids.
There’s probably more to the story. in today’s world, it will come out.
Ok. Rays and Brewers you point to….how did their playoffs go?
No surprise to me Boston beat the Rays
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Analytics can get you a few more wins during a long season but championships are built on pitching and timely plays. intangibles can’t be measured by a computer.
@ZLee if you meant in other sports, you’d be getting tons of calls.
Boston has the man that taught the Rays everything they know, kinda like how the Astros had the man who drafted the players that had the Cardinals dominate through 2012-2015 those were Jeff Luhnows choices, so tell me Chaim Bloom doesn’t know something the rest of the world doesn’t? Now he has a team with a decent payroll sky is the limit for Boston under Chaims tenure
Bait that hook before you cast it
No on Snow
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They got him for nothing
Dumb take. Only 10 teams reach the playoffs. Cardinals once the gold standard of well run teams has really fallen to a new low.
Another anti vaxer gets the boot
@ Francys01;
I’ve been writing for years that the problem with the Cards is Mozeliak and his staff.
You’re a long-time Cardinals fan. Your TV announcer keeps talking about “tradition” every 5 minutes. Well, the the Cardinals tradition of having an abundant farm system that develops quality pitchers and strong fundamental position players is no longer.
I’ve also written that the Cardinals tradition went high-tech and is alive and well in Houston. Jeff Luhnow brought analytics to the Cardinals, built the farm system that brought them their last championship, all of which Mozeliak took credit for. On his own Mozeliak and his staff are a bit below ordinary – forcing them to take on big salaries in trade. Sort of a lightweight version of the Yankees.
When Yadi retires any semblance of quality baseball being played in St. Louis will be by some of the visiting teams.
This is an epic day in Cardinals history.
No Schildt.
Or he gave her a foot massage.
Then you would say at least get to playoffs. Don’t care if lose. Just get there. You can never lose your arguments
Yadi will be played manager. He’s all knowing. All powerful.
The Yankees have a gigantic, incredibly expensive analytics division, so it’s not that.
Whiff who cares how their playoffs went. It’s a short coin flip of a series. Why can’t you buffoons figure out the playoffs are a coin flip.
Here’s a question why does the best team in baseball rarely win in a short series when other sports the better team has a much higher winning %? It would take a 75 game series for baseball to achieve similar stats as other sports.
Yeah because analytics got the Rays and Brewers real far. The Rays cost themselves a World Series last season because Cash thought he was so much smarter than everyone else so he took Snell out after five amazing innings and the Rays pen gave it up. Analytics get you so far then you need plain old good players who can play under pressure. I’m tired of hearing about analytics already, Baseball made it a long way without all these ridiculous analytics.
@Samuel
No longer developing quality pitching and strong fundamental position players? Edman, Bader, Carlson, O’Neil (although came over in trade spent years in minor league system), Dejong, Wong, Arozorena. I feel like that’s a high quality position group in the last several years.
JF, Hudson, Reyes and some quality arms they’ve traded away to get Arenado, Ozuna, and Goldy.
If you have a gripe, it should be with contracts handed out to Dejong, Carp, Fowler, Miller. Although, all were needs (except carp). Just happened to whiff on those contracts.
Analytics are for the regular season. Why? Because there is a large enough sample size for the numbers to play out. In the post season, there also has to be some gut by going with who is playing well.
I still believe analytics cost the Dodgers the World Series against Boston. They sat two of their best hitters (Muncie and Bellinger) against Sale and Price; knowing full well starters were only facing the order twice at most.
I’d rather rather have an 0-2 Bellinger hitting in the 6th against the RHP than a pinch hitting Bellinger coming in cold off the bench.
Schildt got the vaccine so that is not the philosophical disagreement.
Yadi should not play and manage.
Hot takes.
Brewers lost to braves cuz they stunk it up and did NOT stick to analytics.
Leadership and development are the critical piece to long term success.
Analytics are essential. So are good players, coaches and team building.
Winning in regular season is achieved differently than winning a playoff.
Counsel should not be fired. But he didn’t manage effectively this time. Opportunity lost.
Post season baseball is awesome.
Dad – Yes! I’m so tired of reading about a bad pitcher with the comment “but he has a great spin rate” or some other stat minutia. If the great spin rate doesn’t lead to a good result, then it’s an irrelevant stat.
Truly a franchise in decline. Once the old men retire they will be back at the bottom of the central with the pirates. The farm system is weak, definitely a bottom 3rd overall. I will enjoy watching this cheating, no good franchise fall apart
Mystery team analytics did get the rays far. It won them 100 games good lord you people don’t know anything. Not even going to read past your first sentence. You’re mad because great low budget teams like the Rays are winning instead of buying the best free agents every year. Stay mad.
That’s a great point Down with OBP. All you can do as a management group is best position your team to get to the playoffs. Especially with the very short series in the first two rounds of MLB playoffs now, literally any team that makes it can win.
Pretty much right on. There is still a need for the human element. Analytics are important, but they don’t get injured. They don’t have personal issues, Some things cannot be measured. The Cards seem to want the importance of a manager. Looking for a robot to carry out their input. Don’t think the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain will work.
Hippy Friedman runs the best FO in baseball. Watch how many FO guys besides AA and Farhan go on to have stellar careers. But he did have roots in TB.
Unfortunately part of the reason that Shildt is gone is due to the fact that he was not totally onboard with Jeff Albert or his hitting philosophy. John Mozeliak is sold completely and Albert isn’t going anywhere. Never mind the fact that the Cardinals have been statistically toward the bottom of the league offensively every year under Albert. They hit much better after there was what was termed an “offensive intervention” in the second half of 2021, adjusting their hitting approach….apparently that didn’t matter to Mozeliak.
Their problem was pitching all season long. They knew they had no depth back in spring training. I don’t have any inside info but my crystal ball tells me that the very capable Shildt was dumped because he wanted to manage a solid contender and with a weak rotation that wasn’t going to happen. DeWitt is in this for the profit rather than to win. Thats where the philosophic difference is.
Mystery. You’re wrong about analytics. They’ve made winning teams out of teams with tight budgets like Tampa, Oakland and others. I do agree with those who say a teams pitching strength is the deciding factor given that other assets are reasonably close. The Cards hitting was off and on much of the season and the rotation was weak most of the first half. After we picked up Lester and LeBlanc and Waino started winning we did well but we only had one stud starter in Waino. That’s not enough to do well in short playoff series. Shildt knew that and continued to tell our front office that and now he’s gone. If the Cards don’t get more reliable starters, next year will be the same or worse. What’s a real shame will be the squandering of having 3 HOF players and being too tight to go out and buy a few more good starting pitchers to make us competitive in the post season.
It was partly because of analytics. I believe I heard on a Mets broadcast when the Cardinals were playing in New York near the end of the season that only two other teams shift less than the Cardinals shift.
Also, the cardinals were under or at .500 in September for the streak. Killing the streak by resting every possible starter he could rest is “what brought it to a head.” When the front office wanted to push the momentum into the post season.
This Cardinal team underachieved all year. Schildt needed to go. He wasn’t the same Manager he was when he first took over for Matheny.
@francys you sound like a typical spoiled Cardinals fan
But, do you think any of those three losses were due more to coming up against teams with deeper lineups and superior skill, playing at a higher level beyond managerial control? Or because of managerial errors?
It’s like “hmm, dysfunctional Mets are receiving too much attention? Here, hold my beer….” – sincerely, your St. Louis Cardinals.
But here’s the deal, the Cardinals have the talent to win 100 games, they just are lacking sufficient depth like the Padres. Bader didn’t play a full season and was worth 3.9 WAR, Tyler O’Neill didn’t play a full season and was worth 4.5+ WAR should be placing in the top ten in MVP voting. Jack Flaherty only pitched half the season and Dakota Hudson pitched in 2 games coming back from TJS, Miles Mikolas didnt pitch much as well. There depth was well tested and didn’t live up to par, the season was almost lost because of it. I’m not making excuses as to why they didn’t win, you gotta go out there and find a way to get it done, and they didn’t. It falls on everyone. Whatever adjustment they made in September, that worked? And I really wonder what happened behind the scenes that we don’t know about? Because that played a major factor in then making the playoffs
The Cards do not have 100 win talent. They have some excellent players but lack the depth necessary to win 100 games. Injuries occur throughout the season and the Cards didn’t have a sustainable bench or bullpen for the long haul.
EVeryone has injuries. Cards actually were top half of baseball in overall health this year. Adam Wainwright making 32 starts is all you need to know about how well they did on the luck front.
They’re about a 500 team that had a crazy run (very much like the 2007 Rockies) in September, based on everyone getting hot at the same time and playing a bunch of teams with nothing to play for.
Please prove the cardinals were top half in health…I love when people throw out random opinions as facts
A bunch of teams with nothing to play for? Are you really this ignorant of facts?
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St Louis was not even close to being near the top in days lost due to player injuries.
San Diego, NYM, TB, Toronto and LAD top five.
They do not have the talent to win 100 games. Schilt got the max our of them. O’Neil, Bader and Carlson will not be as good next year.Everyone else is old.
“best fans in baseball”
lmfao
you reek of jealousy…
You reek of smugness…
Eureka!
You reek of putrefaction
Actually, I read this a couple of years ago. The Cardinals are the team that fills up their ballpark more than any other team. Cardinals fans go to games.
believe what did you actually read? They certainly didn’t have the highest average per game home attendance.
They were 2nd in attendance in 2019 to the Dodgers. 3rd in 2018 to the Dodgers and Yankees. 2nd to Dodgers in 2017. St Louis fans come to the ballpark, that is for sure.
out but that wasn’t the comment made by believe. And this year fourth. But they don’t “fill up the seats more than any other team”.
No one fills seats more than the Dodgers, home it away. That’s a fact. Not since the Rockies changed stadiums has anyone consistently outdrawn the Dodgers. They’re an attendance machine.
Well, nothing else to do.
outinleftfield… Because there’s nothing else to do in St. Louis.
John kinda looking smug right now. I think it was something like 18 pitchers that made starts for the Cardinals this year? One of them went 0-6? For 3 months of the season you had -1.6 WAR Justin Williams out there partoling left or right depending on who was hurt? Idk this just seems crazy to me
Yep it’s true 2020 Cardinals tied for top attendance in the league..
Cards fans started staying away this season. They were drawing in the low 20’s much of the summer when they were playing sub 500 ball.
It’s hard for any team to out draw the Dodgers and Yankees. They both have massive fan bases to draw from and both spend money like it’s water.
@Francys, I like Schildt too. While the most surprising loss in the postseason over the past three years was to the Nats in 2019, the other losses in ‘20 and the WC this year to the Dodgers seem acceptable (if not a bummer!). That said, Mo & Co seem to me to be a little impatient. Learning how to manage in the postseason is a different skill set than managing in the regular season. Look at Roberts and how many mistakes year after year he made in the PS before he and the Dodgers finally broke thru last year. I think Schildt deserves more time…..that said: Go Giants!! (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
It wasn’t that surprising that the Cards lost to the Nats in 2019. They were a weak hitting team and had to confront the Nat’s excellent starting pitching. The Nats were also hot at the time.
I’ll agree to most of what you said other than then the loss to the dodgers in the wild card game this year. Shildt knew Reyes had been super vulnerable to the home run when he put him in the bottom of the 9th, yet did it anyway. He had 2-3 other guys I would have much rather of seen come in, in that situation, and get the necessary outs. Reyes was a mighty fine closer in the first half, but his innings were already a career high and he rode that horse til it buckled.
On a side note, his bullpen and bench management have been horrendous recently and I, as a Cardinal fan, am glad to see him go. I just hope Mo and the rest of the front office find a better replacement and make the necessary moves to lead this team the right way.
He only had one plus reliever., and the bullpen is what usually makes long win streaks impossible (you just use them way too much). I thought Schildt did an amazing job in September managing that pen that had Gallegos and a lot of hopes and prayers.
He got them to the postseason when they didn’t have the talent. Sorry if your expectations are out of whack, your highness.
A very weak division will do that. I think we found out late in the year just how not-as-good-as-they-looked the Brewers actually were. And they had a mid-double digits lead before collapsing.
I feel like this is an example of a student on a math test who somehow writes out a bunch of garbage that makes no sense and somehow still gets the right answer.
In 2019, we lost to the eventual champions.
In 2020, we lost after having a miraculous run to even be in the playoffs (when you consider our COVID problems early in the year and the fact that they played basically without a single day off for the last month, often playing double-headers).
In 2021, we lost a one-game playoff against a 106-win team that everyone picked at the beginning of the year and at the beginning of the playoffs as the odds-on favorite to win the World Series.
It doesn’t bother me to see Shildt going (it surprises me, but doesn’t bother me), but man, your method of getting to “Shildt needs to go” does sound ridiculously privileged to the point I’d expect to see more out of mid-2000s Yankees fan than a Cardinals fan.
So they lost to the 2019 WS champs, in the weird 2020 bubble, and, as stated, to a super team in a one-game playoff on a walk-off. Yeah, this manager sounds like a real problem.
This reminds me of the Rangers fans after the back to back world series appearances complaining about Josh Hamilton’s “garbage” MVP caliber numbers every year and how he needed to be traded lmao. Good lord do I hate sports fans man.
Then why do you come to a sports site and scroll down to the comments?
“I hate sports fans!”
“Ooh look, comments made by sports fans! I better go read them!”
I come on here due to optimism. I then proceed to be quickly reminded that stupidity is a problem for which no cure exists….
Stupidity isn’t the issue, in my opinion. It’s the fact that they believe themselves to be highly intelligent (dunning-kruger syndrome) and haven’t a clue as to their ignorance.
You wouldn’t fire a manager based on a one game wild card. Anyone can win or lose a single game. Plus, I would argue the Cards shouldn’t even have won 90 games given their talent and injuries. By most accounts Schildt was well respected by his players.
No, this wasn’t results based – it had to do with his relationship with the front office. These days, if the manager won’t go along with what they tell him to do, he won’t be around long. He has to be aligned with the views of the organization. I don’t necessarily like this, but it’s the way it is these days.
“We did not even win the division this year.”
Spoiled, spoiled fans Winning a division in baseball should not be a given no matter what team you are. 24 teams in MLB didn’t win a division this year. Should they all be fired?.
Put the Cards in the NL West or AL East, and then talk to me about expectations about winning the division. They wouldn’t see the front end of those divisions with a telescope.
lmao, totally agree. As a Mets fan, we’d kill to just squeak into the playoffs (not to mention win 90 games like the Cards), and I’d imagine there’s fans of like 15+ other teams who feel the same way.
Agreed. Winning a division title is like winning a batting title or a pitcher leading the league in wins, it just doesn’t matter anymore. As long as a team gets to the playoffs is all that matters. Well, maybe that doesn’t matter either. Schildt was long gone before and after the 17 game win streak. Winning streaks do not matter. What the hell does matter? As long as you take the ANALytical path, your job is safe as long as you win that way. Unfortunately for Schildt , he won, but with a more old school style and that obviously didn’t matter either.
YADI player manager is the best suggestion I’ve heard on any thread in a long time.
How about retire, coach, manage. Yadi sure needs to stay a big part of Cardinal org.
Ayn Rand – Current generation considers it fashionable as well as a display of their personal feelings for others to see. Me, I never cared for such things. Just something else to keep me in tune on the radio and not television.
this makes no sense to me
He lost to the eventual WS champion (Nats) in 2019; a super and superior Padres team last year, and most likely this year’s WS champion (Dodgers) and the guy gets fired!
Have long respected the Cardinals organization. Even when they were down, they weren’t down for long. But this move is puzzling.
Obviously, there are some reasons as yet unsaid that are behind this decision, and reasons that may never come to light.
They were down most of the season playing mediocre ball until the streak in September. You don’t play winning post season ball with a weak pitching staff and a gang of guys who hit in the 220’s as a team until the final month when they came alive. They were really lucky to get a sniff at the post season the way they played the first five months.
I agree Shildt’s approach to hitting and his unwillingness to replace his hitting coach shows he isn’t the guy for the job. When he first arrived on the scene his style ok was refreshing and aggressive then after the new contract I feel he got complacent.
Cardinals need to shore up their roster. It was a very good team with some holes and not a World Series team this year.
As usual, the Manager takes the fall for the Front Office failures
in building a complete roster.
“We did not even win the division this year. ”
I’m no Schildt fan but why would the Cardinals expect to win the division this year? Yadi and his 1.8 WAR? Wainwright and his 3.7? P.G. at 6.2? Actual question.
To me this is just the latest move by a team that’s largely been lost since Albert Pujols moved on/declined. The expectations fans seem to have for a team of this market size/payroll don’t align with present-day reality imo. Sure, 11 titles, but all but three of those were won in the 60s and before. The last WS appearance was 2013, and the last win was with Pujols in 2011, a decade ago. Different team, different times.
Francy you may believe him leaving the Cardinals is the right move, but I think that is a huge mistake. I just hope this guy goes to San Diego and win one there. The Cardinals front office is to blame for their misfortunes. From re-signing aging vets to lack of developing and/or trading for younger talent. The Cardinals are the oldest team in the league and it won’t be long before the wheels completely fall off. Nothing against Yodi, Mainwright, and so on, but it’s time for younger talent to come in. I may dislike the Cardinals for several decades because they are always there. But they have been shown their age during every post season the last 3 years. Padres could use Shildt and he has majority of the pieces to contend with the Dodgers and Giants. Improvement with pitching, would push the Padres to the next level. Shildt at the helm in San Diego, could have a serious impact on free agents willing to go there now. Is resumè and character is very appealing to any player looking for a championship ring.
I guess the old saying sticks here, “one mans trash, is another mans treasure”. Come on Padres, don’t let your fans down and sign this manager before someone else swoops in.
WOOOOOOOOOW? What is going on? I get this feeling I need to be placed into coma and if the world is still around in 5 years somebody should wake me up like Disney
Where is Jeff Albert and why is he not going with him? You gotta be smoking me
Yadi the next Pete Rose player/manager?
The team you manage wins a astounding 17 games in a row and the team at least make it to a wild card playoff game. 1 week later you’re fired??? Count me in for confused.
That John Mozeliak is a piece of work!!
Although —- in his defense—-how can he possibly See what is going on around him??
His (Mozeliak’s) head is so far up Both Bill DeWitt’s rears—- he sees nothing but crap!!
Therefore, he leads by how he sees it. Mozeliak makes crappy signings and crappy decisions like “Firing Mike Schildt!
I wasn’t expecting this at all
See ya toots
Pretty stunning
Lololololololololol
What a silly move
Cardinals
Bad news, Cards fans. If Milwaukee fixes their offense this offseason, they are going to win the NL Central by 10+ games next year regardless of who the Cards’ manager is. Milwaukee’s pitching (both starters and bullpen) is top 2 or top 3 in all of baseball and well ahead of even a decent Cardinals rotation. Can’t wait to see what Moz says next year when they are right back in the same place as they were in 2021…fighting for a second wild card berth.
Can I get the lotto numbers while you’re at it, nostradamus?
Milwaukee will just wilt at the end of the regular season just like this year (IF they lead the division at all, but especially if they have a double digit lead at any point in September) so it won’t matter if they fix the offense. And I doubt they’ll do that anyway, because it costs money, and they’re giving all of that to Yelich to yawn at strike 3, for out number 3, in the 9th inning of a win or go home playoff game.
Dorothy-Mantooth is one of the soothsaying Sawx fans who last winter said Bloom was in over his head and Keekay wasn’t worth $14M for two years.
I hear they are gonna make a play for Buck Showalter.
No you didn’t and no they aren’t.
it seems the trend is going back to seasoned, leadership and you don’t get more seasoned than Showalter. However, the leadership that still needs to go is Moe.
That is surprising. Have to wait and see why of course but on the surface it’s definitely a head scratcher
Eh. I guess scorching earth and winning 17 in a row to earn a playoff birth doesn’t count for anything anymore
This surprises me. I think he will find a job pretty quickly. Padres?
This is Mets all the way
whoa!
Cards had a lot of pitching injuries this year, no fault of Shildt’s.
This is a sad move, guy should have been given more time.
But pitching a guy that is struggling in a tie game isn’t smart either get Hudson or Jack up. Never play for tomorrow in a tournament.
Dave law, you’re right. The team had a very weak rotation in spring training and even that went to crap with injuries because of no depth. This is a front office and owner problem, not Shildts problem. They need to rebuild the pitching staff around Flaherty and Hudson. Keep Waino for leadership and a few wins but don’t rely on a 40 year old to give you more than 6-8 decent starts. Dump Martinez and Carp and DeJong and go after some good starters and one of those 5 excellent FA short stops and give Knizner a chance to fish or cut bait. We’ve watched several decent catchers traded off because the team played Yadi constantly. Give Knizner a chance and replace him around mid season if he doesn’t produce on offense. The rest of the team will be solid. Will any of this happen with a tight fisted owner like DeWitt? Pretty unlikely.
3 years, 3 consecutive post seasons . Definitely sounds like it was time to go! Lol
For a middling team too. It’s not like he’s taking the best team in the league to the playoffs and then losing.
Unlike Aaron Boone.
@jdgoat Exactly jdgoat. If anything this team over performed. I don’t see them winning 91 next year, barring any huge additions which is very possible.
Whitey Herzog finished first with the Royals 76-78. He didn’t in 79 and was axed.
Not to mention that he took over in 2018 for Mike Matheny (47-46) and then went 41-28 to close out the year. 252-199 (.559) over ~3+ seasons. Have to think someone (Mets, Padres) will back up the Brinks truck for this guy.
Typical, Classless, John Mozeliak philosophy. Condensed into this phrase—
“Stupid is as Stupid does!!”
next article Padres looking at Mike Shildt
The next article will probably be something about Jon Heyman reporting that the Mariners had interest in trading for a backup second baseman at the trade deadline, but ultimately didn’t do it.
Sounds like an interesting read
Insane, this guy is great. Mets and Padres can’t possibly mess this up more than the Cardinals. Hire the guy!
*Hold my beer* – Mets front office.
Mets not messing up would be the first step in the right direction for that franchise.
They been stuck on that step since the Titanic’s maiden voyage.
Based upon what measurements is he great? Everyone thinks he’s the reason they made the playoffs when in fact they made the playoffs in SPITE of his horrendous decision making during the season.
He’s no better than Matheny. Has no clue how to run the bullpen. Plus, he slotted Carpenter in the cleanup spot like 8 different times during the season. Who in their right mind bats the worst hitter on the team at #4 ??
Finally, in the WC game, he proceeds to put Reyes into the game in the 9th…. the guy who is most likely to give up a big hit out of everyone in that bullpen. Horrible decision that cost them the game/playoffs.
2018:
Matheny – 47-46
Schildt – 41-28
Same players (potentially a little worse since they traded Pham away), drastically different record. Not sure you can say he’s ‘no better than Matheny’ when he lead the same team to a much better record. Small sample size, though, I will concede.
Jonny — What are you talking about? Shildt took over a meandering team playing terrible sloppy ball. They led the NL in fielding errors and every time they got a man in scoring position Carp or someone else would run the bases like a blind man and kill a possible rally. Matheny burned out every decent reliever we had. Shildt came in with the team on track to lose 85 games and got them playing better defense than they had for years and he got Oqendo to work with them on base running basics and stopped the mistakes there immediately. Between his arrival in mid July and the end of that first season we saw the team turned around. Instead of losing 84 games they won that many. Shildt then went on to win manager of the year. The only reason he got fired is because he’s not a yes man for Moz and DeWitt. He wanted to win, they wanted to win without going after the talent needed to get it done. I think they head downhill next year. The one saving grace could be DeWitt selling the team to a new owner who cares more about winning than he does about the bottom line.
I would’ve preferred to get rid of C-Mart. This is definitely a surprise and a head-scratching move for sure.
But…we did already
C-Mart IS gone.
He IS gone though, assuming they don’t pick up his option
Club limiting move. Well done, Cards. We Reds fans approve.
He must be devastated being a loyal Cardinals lifer. He brought along some young players and led them to the wild card with a mediocre pitching staff. If it wasn’t for Kapler, I would have voted for him to be NL Manager of the year.
I didn’t know you had a vote, I’m gonna start addressing you with a little bit more respect. Ahahahaha!
Obviously none of the people posting here watch any Cards games. He made so many terrible decisions. The team succeeded to a point IN SPITE of his managing. Let’s start with Reyes and Carpenter.
This team has a lot of potential. But not with him.
I agree
Obviously we don’t , but we all see on paper that Braves, Brewers, Dodgers and Giants have better teams than the Cards. Well, maybe Giants not, but they are defying the laws of baseball this year in any aspect.
The worst was when Goldschmidt or Arenado had a day off and he’d just put Carpenter in their spot in the order instead of 8th.
There’s a lot of competition for worst. I’ll give you top 5 though.
@fanclub6 Everyone says that about their manager. It’s ironic, but fans of the team are often the worse judge of their team’s manager.
I have rarely said that about my team in over 50 years. Vern Rapp was terrible, Kenny Boyer was not much better. But then we had 3 great managers in a row for over 30 year. So I disagree with your comment.
It was time for Matheny to go and apparaently time for Shildt to go as well.
I watch cardinal games and trust me, there wasn’t a good reason to. I get what Reyes did, but don’t fire him over that. Plus Carpenter didn’t even get much playing time and was a bench bat. Plus he’s gone regardless cause he’s a free agent
I watched every game this season.
I agree he made some bonehead decisions, but none worse than bringing in Reyes to get 1 out against the Dodgers in a win or go home game that was tied.
That, or stopping a 17 game winning streak and taking away their season ending momentum by benching as many starters as he could the remaining games following the 17th win and clinching a wild card spot. It was hard to watch. I doubt that pleased the fans that went to the games or the front office who wanted those fans in the seats.
Lol wtf. Wow
Cashman, are you paying attention? Here’s your chance.
I don’t think you want to see small-town Mike be completely lost in NYC. His managing would be exposed so quickly. His main strength is being a “player’s manager.”
Torre 2.0
Sign me up for some of that.
philosophical differences.
Mike: I want to win.
Cards brass: we DON’T want to win. you’re fired.
Mike: Extend me or fire me.
Cards: OK, done.
That’s what I was thinking, if you can’t make the call to extend a guy and a lame duck manager is a distraction so you cut ties. Mike’s getting paid regardless. That said, it’s still a front office call, so if they flop in 2022….
Mike: who is that hot chick in that photo? I want of piece of that action!
Dewitt: That’s my daughter!!!!
Then cue to Benny Hill seen…
Where did you see Benny Hill?
Crap….
Benny Hill? Wasn’t he that shortstop in the Seattle organization?
ANY Benny Hill reference is gold!
Mike Schildt; I’d like a different Head hitting coach for 2022.
John Mozeliak; Sounds reasonable— “You’re Fired!”
lol wow. What the hell do you have to do to keep your job? Nobody (outside of maybe Cards fans) had the Cardinals winning 91 games. They performed really well. Mets should hire Schildt.
Err it would help if I spelled his name right. Shildt.
Maybe there was a clubhouse personality conflict or a philosophical disagreement between him and the front office. A surprise for sure.
Bill DeWitt Jr. is the surprise!!!! He knows this firing is Wrong. DeWitt knows Mozeliak does not like Schildt.
This is just another power move by John Mozeliak !!! Right or wrong—- it’s Mo’s way or the Highway!!
The Owners have no say so at all!!!!!
I’m going to guess that it came down to Jeff Albert. Cardinals want him to stay in as hitting coach, Shildt probably wanted him out. Only a guess.
I’d love to see the Cardinals aim high and see if they can hire away Kevin Cash.
Or Kash Patel.
Or Crash Davis…
No one cares about hitting coaches. Heck, most veterans have their own private hitting coaches.
No good reason to fire Schildt, I am thinking that something beyond just baseball is at work here.
Una opción mas para Boone!
Let’s go Mets!
Oh Shildt!
So much for that picture of Cardinals kumbaya in St. Louis.
Guy went to 3 playoff appearances in 3 years. Not sure what they were expecting. Seemed pretty solid to me.
Making the wildcard game is not the playoffs it’s a play in game and he has never been a great manager! Poor decision after poor decision cost him his job look at the wildcard game in the bottom of the 9th! Now that being said Cardinals need to go out and get a veteran manager or this move makes no sense!
Riiiiiight, because the 106 win 2021 dodgers are such a slouch.
The NL wildcard this year’s was like playing the NLCS level team. It’s a fluke you saw that level of talent as a wildcard, I’m no statistician but I’m not sure the same division has ever turned out a pair of 105+ win teams before..
That sure sounds like Schildt either refused to fire a couple of his coaches, or refused to accept one or two new ones.
Or Yadi wanted him gone.
Pop Warner, should have been moved from third base last year.
If it is an insider maybe It’s Marmel. Ouendo, or Stubby.
It’s amazing how many so-called fans of the Cardinals can’t even spell the guy’s name right.
Not a Cards fan, but this was pretty unexpected. High standards in St. Louis.
Very surprising move considering the success Shildt has had the regard most of the baseball world has for him.
Not sure Shildt is that well regarded at all. He’s a valuable organization liason, not a manager.
kinda surprised the yankees arent being mentioned, since when is boone a lock to come back?
Probably since it’s been mentioned that Hal is leaning towards retaining Boone. Hal is happy with 90 wins and a playoff birth, winning a championship would just be a happy bonus
I am thinking of ‘internal options’ leads to the Cardinals announcing Jose Oquendo as new manager.
Maybe in 2006. He’s been long surpassed by Marmol. I don’t think Oquendo has had a managerial interview since the Nationals, and that was like 2010.
I thought Stubby Clapp was next man up
Could be either, I’d think. Marmol was Shildt’s right-hand man for in-game management, though.
A Stubby Clapp is never next man up…
Yadi will be the manager of the Future.
Pujols the new hitting Coach.
Adam Wainwright will be the new pitching coach.
Season 2023
The oldest baseball rule still applies. No matter what went wrong, fire the manager.
Lol Cardinals are a mess
MetsFan22, My 77-85 prediction for the Mets was on the money. You promised to stop posting if that came true.
Dude… You’re a Mets fan
Do you even watch baseball?
Mets22 why – I know I am dreaming to expect a response- do you continually denigrate virtually all other baseball teams? Virtually every thread you post in regarding the subject matter of a team not involving the Mets, ends up with making nasty and snarky remarks. Why?
Zusu says: “Daddy, every time MetsFan22 denigrates another team, something bad happens to the Mets.”
Keep denigrating, Metsie!
“They have quality internal candidates”
In other words, Schildt was a dead man walking and had no idea.
Showalter- Cards
Tingler-Mets (will do anything owner wants)
Bochy-Padres
Schildt-?
Twins?
Bochy. Retired!
I am so happy. Maybe, for the first time since 2011, the Cardinals will finally nab a qualified manager and not an in-house square fitting into a circle peg.
I do think Marmol would be a quality promote, though.
You’re about to be disappointed, I’m afraid.
The philosophical difference with the FO was probably that Shildt refused to fire Marmol.
Based on what? Marmol seems like he’s on the same page as what the front office desires. Has been in the organization since 2007 but is still only 35 and comes from a different generation than Shildt — and he’s much more analytically inclined.
In my job I’ve run into a couple cards players and a couple former cards minors players, and they say marmol is an absolute d#ck. Will throw anybody under the bus. So yes they may give him the job, but somebody like that loses the locker room very quickly. Internal I’d hope clapp, outside younger I’d say Schumacher. Older outside I’d say joe mcewing
They replaced Mike Matheny with Shildt specifically because he was aligned with the analytical side of baseball. It’s not the analytics, Shildt was with the organization for many years and won several awards as a manager in the minors. This makes no sense at all. The fans deserve a much better explanation from Mo than “philosophical differences.” That’s just ridiculous – and arrogant.
If they stay within the organization than Stubby Clapp, Jose Oquendo, or Willie McGee immediately come to mind. Outside the organization Joe McEwing could be a possibility
“philosophical differences”
Yea like “Don’t put that *#%$&@ guy on the mound !!!!!”
Yada gets what Yadi wants in St. Louis.
WTF
Skip Schumaker
would love that honestly
I came here to say this too. Skip Schumaker would be awesome to have as our manager.
He is not an internal option, but he does have ties to the organization.
Your new Cardinals manager, Pop Warner! I personally would like to see Skip Schumacher make a return to STL.
He’ll be hired by the Padres before the month is over.
There has to be more to this story.
Shildt had moderate success. With Goldy, Nolan, Waino and Yadi approaching social security this is it…time is now. Shildt just found out that Mo still has the juice. The Redbirds will hire a manger that will be similarly successful and Shildt will land on his feet.
Jose Oquendo
Philosophical differences may mean the FO wanted to swap out a couple of coaches and Shildt defended them. Alternatively, maybe Shildt wanted more freedom making out the lineup card.
Marmol was responsible for most in-game decisions as the Bench Coach as well as being the liaison from the analytics department to the players. To me he seems like the one that was most likely to be canned.
Boy—- were you wrong on that one.
Cards are built for the regular season and not the playoffs. It’s not Shilts fault
What are you basing that on? A one-game playoff?
Yes!!!!
The Yearly 4 main goals of The Cardinals
1. Have a .500 record at the end of the season
2. Trade no highly rated prospects for quality, proven, impact current mlb players.
3. Insure 3 million tickets are sold each year.
4. Making the post season without making in season improvements to advance further than the first round.
5. Always agree with Captain John Mozeliak
Dumbest move ever!!! How about John Mozeliak starts taking accountability!!!
What?? How does Boone keep his job with that payroll and he loses his?
Boone is a solid manager. He led the Yankees a 103-59 record in 2019 despite an uncommon rash of injuries. Career won/loss percentage of .601. If not for some Astros shenanigans, things might have been different. But they, let’s fire the manager. Fans are funny that way. So anxious to fire someone. I suppose it makes them feel authoritative.
Seems like the Red Birds are willing to do what the Yankees are unwilling to do.
He’ll have another job by the end of the World Series.
But this is a surprising move by the Cards to say the least.
Was the lemonade not sweet enough for the Cardinals? No one thought you were going to compete let alone go on a 15 game win streak. What more could they have asked of their manager?
Fans are on board with it because they overrate the talent, which is always the case.
He was pretty successful and the team he got from Mo has some weaknesses but I guess after spending for arenado and goldy expections just got a little higher.
Still the cards have only about the 5th or 6th most talented roster in the nl but I guess philosophical differences mean that he is more old school and not open to implement Saber metrics and the cards need that to squeeze the last bit out of their talent
I honestly don’t even think their roster is in the top 10 in the NL. I think they played over their expectations which is usually a credit to the manager and roster construction. Keep in mind they were the hottest thing in baseball for a the last month or so.
I think they are easily top10.
Dodgers, giants, padres, braves and Brewers are more talented and reds, Phillies and Mets are maybe about even with them. That would put them like 6 to 8th or so.
Don’t forget they were bad in the First half but also had lots of injuries
I have the Dodgers, Braves, Giants, Brewers, Padres as definitely better than the Cards. I’d take the Phillies, Mets and perhaps the Reds as well. So yeah. I spoke too hastily. Definitely top 10 in the NL, but closer to 10 than 1 IMO.
Ozzie or Willie…..
Pujols
Personally would have kept him around, better than many who still have their jobs.
Cardinals schildt all over this guy.
Mike Shildt wants the Cardinals to act like one of MLB teams that it is near the top of revenue and spend some $$$$ on quality FA’S. Cardinals owners and FO probably resisted the need to spend big. Like the now cheap Ricketts, the poor Cubs and Cardinals had Biblical losses during the pandemic.
Every team in baseball can afford to spend. No exceptions.
Schildt was so much better than matheny. Also, the players definitely had his back way more. Moz must be feeling pressure & needed a fall guy… sad for schildt, but he’ll find another gig (me thinks anyway).
John Gibbons
Welcome to the Mets. Let the bad puns and easy jokes fly when the Schildt hits the fan in the big apple.
Jim stem FYI no “c” in Shildt
Sorry about the ‘c’. I’m Pennsylvania Dutch – the ‘c’ is very common in names that use ‘Sh’ as the first sound around here. Just a habit.
I might be out of touch with the Cardinals fanbase, but was this necessary? I thought this guy was a great clubhouse manager and was really getting them back on track to being that playoff contender they always are? Yet David Ross got an extension?
Maybe using Reyes in the 9th instead of Somebody like Flaherty did him in? in the WC game?
If Shildt was saving somebody like Flaherty if they win for the NLDS, then you don’t want that guy managing your team in the postseason.
All hands on deck!!
So glad to see him gone! Thought we’d be stuck with him after two weeks of good baseball.
He probably wanted to fire Alberts the hitting coach who came from the Astros during their cheating scandal. O’Neil and Bader both improved this year after going and getting their own personal hitting coach’s . Everyone else has regressed under Albert. Mo fired every hitting coach in the organization that opposed Alberts methods the last few years.
Makes more sense than anything else I’ve heard.
Good Riddance. Look no further than his clueless pressers and you’ll get a sense just how ridiculous his hire was in the first place. Get a real manager. Go outside the organization or they’ll just be repeating this cycle every two or three years.
I do not want Yadi as the player manager as manager’s ultimately get fired. I don’t want Yadi’s legacy to be tainted in any way
Shildt out. Molina in.
I’d take Schildt on the yankees
He won’t be unemployed for long. The San Antonio Scorpions will need a manager when they come into the league.
Any in demand candidate would take the job in SanDiego over St. Louis. No real manager wants to put up with Molina and his diva behavior.
Something is on the radar with Shildt… This wasn’t no matter what Mo said due to “philosophical differences.” Rumors says it’s Mark McGuire’s job to turn down…
The NL Central would love for that to be true.
What I don’t get is that STL asked for permission from the league to release this news today with the elimination NLDS game going on, which a Washington Post reporter said indicates it’s “urgent” and then they say it’s “philosophical differences”.
It’s weird enough they’re firing him after being relatively successful, but stuff like that makes me wonder what else there is to the story.
Could be they are wanting to make an offer to someone that is in high demand and have to move quickly. Or, it could be they want to bury the story under the playoffs.
That is why I think its something more than just baseball.
Meanwhile Girardi still napping.
…..and playing the veterans…
St. Louis is boring.
One of the greatest 3rd basemen of all time. I’m surprised..
Yadi is announced as the player-manger for 2022
Something is on the radar with Shildt… This wasn’t no matter what Mo said due to “philosophical differences.” Rumors says it’s Mark McGuire’s job to turn down…
3 straight years in the postseason with teams that were not expected to be there and they fire him? Something else other than baseball going on here. Or maybe he refused to fire one of his coaches. Whatever the reason, he will not be unemployed long.
NO SHILDT !!
I know. I Shildt my pants when I read the news.
Being a city slicker myself, I always got a kick out of Shildt’s laconic farmboy drawl and practical common sense approach/demeanor. Dude cracked me up.
Mets
Mike is up Schilt’s Creek without a paddle.
This being a rumors site, let me start by saying Shilt was caught sexting Bill DeWitt Jr.’s wife.
He will have a job quickly. Terrible move by the GM. Big EGOs here.
…And after he just invested in a St Louis fitness franchise. Lol
Yeah that diva Molina whose around for one final season will make a difference in any managers decision to come to St. Louis.
Not that it matters. They won’t hire anyone but a puppet within the organization. My guess is they’ll hire Clapp and that clown Albert will be allowed to continue as the hitting coach per Bowtie’s orders.
It’s probably political. I wouldn’t be surprised if Manfred told MO that his team is too white.
You also might not be surprised if pigs can fly, but you should be.
Their starters certainly do lean caucasian, but I think they’ve met their diversity requirements in the bullpen and on the bench.
In the Cards last 8 postseason games from the last 3 years, they have only scored 1 run or less in 5 of those games. 3 times against the Nationals while being swept, once against the Padres last year, and this year’s WC game.
That is the primary reason Schildt was fired. That and Mozeliak knows that he went all in on Arenado and Goldschmidt and neither are producing the way they did before they came to St. Louis. Arenado had his worst offensive year since his rookie year (2020 doesn’t count) and he is under contract for like 6 more years.
Johnny Mo wants to save his job and thinks they need a manager that will help produce better run support, especially in the postseason. There you go. It isn’t hard to figure out people.
Ahh, yes. Send me the postseason-extra-run-support manager.
I’m just saying managers get fired all the time for performance and the Cards anemic postseason offense the last 3 years is a huge reason why Schildt was fired.
You fire a manager if you think that a change will help with the problems of the team. Anemic offense is a problem of the team. Post-30 years old Arenado is a concern and part of that.
That’s an odd one. They went 21-2 down the stretch. It feels like there has to be more to the story.
Bring back Tony.
Haha.
They should hire me for the position I would bring a World Series to St Louis. I deserve the position
I hope Albert goes with him
the cards must have some shildty emails
#grudem
Just remember that there are two kinds of Managers, the ones that have been fired and those that will be fired.
You have to wonder if this had to do with continuing to play Carpenter and him including Reyes on the Postseason Roster. I knew as soon as Reyes came in the game was over.
The Carpenter angle doesn’t make sense. If the front office didn’t want Shildt to play Carpenter, they could have just released or traded him. They did that with Matheny. When he insisted on playing certain players, they just got rid of those players. I’m guessing the guy who ordered Carp into the lineup wears a bowtie. The Reyes thing is overblown. Yes it stings to lose that game after the terrific end to the season, but we only scored ONE run. It’s something else and I think that something else would be embarrassing to Mo if it got out. That’s why this happened the way it did and why Jeff Albert gets to keep his job.
Yet Jon Daniels is still employed smh
We want Stubby Clapp!
You say that now. But once you have it you won’t be able to get rid of it fast enough…
He always came across as a huge d-bag and I’d say he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
This was surprising. I guess the Cards fans know more of everything behind it.
I forgot that managers of playoffs teams can get fired. MLB is coming completely back.
Two takes from this: 1) Preller will be calling for Shildt. Just can’t see him going to the Mets. They will hire a “seasoned manager” 2) Since O’Neill was mentioned above it’s opens the door to mention he’s the next guy getting a steroid related suspension. McGuire was his private hitting coach however they never brought any bats to the hitting practice. Only lotion to try to conceal the BB marks on the face and an oversized batting helmet.
Giants got screwed
Go Dodgers.
Angels…
Unreal. What does a guy have to do to be impressive to Cards FO?!?! He will have a job shortly elsewhere. Padres???
I deserve the position. I will deliver results because it’s my name. I have been working on algorithm for 4 years and I can built a World Series winner. Sad they hire fools for these positions. Missing key components and I do this just because I enjoy the numbers. They sit in offices for hours, sweating, wondering what they can do to get over the wall. I have achieved that status. I deserve to be hired for all of the positions available
There is quite a few glory holes that could use your obvious talents.
That is funny.
Is that you, Dr. Daystrom?
He was more boring than the city of St. Louis.
The disconnect between “Mo sucks because the Cards have winning teams that just make the playoffs and don’t compete for championships” and “Shildt is great because he makes the playoffs” is staggering.
Add him to the list for the San Diego Padres, Mets etc..
Cardinals need to shore up their roster. It was a very good team with some holes and not a World Series team this year.
As usual, the Manager takes the fall for the Front Office failures
in building a complete roster.
When You’re Out of SHILDT,
You’re OUT of BEER !!
Any team that’s not hiring Storm Davis right now to be their coach is a dinosaur. Do it now!
Whoever Yadi wants most likely Oquendo,Yadi gets.Yadi did not want Shildt anymore and that is why he was fired.Maybe Yadi setting up for himself to be Mgr.
I predict Jose Oquendo will be named as the new manager.
The fact of the matter is the Cardinals are we’re talented enough to win the division, but injuries happened at the wrong times and it causes them to take setbacks which lead to a .500 year most of the year. Obviously I don’t know what was different in September, but whatever it was it worked. We won 17 straight and we got into the playoffs. We get there and we have to face a 106 win team. There was no way they should have been in that game with the Dodgers, but they some how, some way, we’re tied with them all the way to the bottom of the 9th, and guess how we lost? Shildt mismanaged the bullpen, which if you watched the majority of close Cardinals games under Shildt, that happened a lot. That’s one of the big reasons he got fired i’m sure. Don’t get me wrong Shildt is a good manager, but he is not the guy for a contending team so my advice for San Diego and New York if they want to win, look else where.
And oh yeah, Matt Holiday is going to be the next manager of the St. Louis Cardinals.
Don’t know what is so surprising to these so call baseball experts and or fans. The team sucked up until a few weeks in September. A lot of us called for him to be booted mid season.
Oh No Jose Molina not returning to Angels staff could it be coming to Cardinals to be Mgr
that would keep Yadi happy.
Does anyone remember back in June when Tommy Edman commented on the teams lack of preparation with offensive game planning? Maybe his firing had something to do with that.
Yet Jeff Albert is keeping his job. Curious.
I have a different philosophy than the GM in St Louis. I wouldn’t trade away all my best players than blame it on them manager.
Has to be more to come on this. The Cardinals are typically loyal to a fault to their staff. He has shown in the past that he can be can be excitable, I wonder if the postseason review meeting got out of hand and he said some things that caused an irreparable rift.