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Johnny Cueto Can Still Help A Rotation

By Steve Adams | February 21, 2022 at 3:20pm CDT

If you were to sit down and make a list of the best pitchers in baseball from 2010-16, you’d be hard-pressed not to include Johnny Cueto in some capacity. The two-time All-Star finished among the top six in National League Cy Young voting three times in that stretch, including a runner-up finish to Clayton Kershaw in 2014. He received at least one down-ballot MVP vote in all three of those seasons as well. From 2010-16, Cueto turned in a 2.86 ERA, a 20.6% strikeout rate (at a time when that number was much more impressive than it is in 2022) and a terrific 6.2% walk rate. Cueto was viewed as a No. 1 or No. 2 starter, and rightly so. He ranked fourth out of 228 qualified starting pitchers in ERA during that time, and his 1294 2/3 innings were the 16th-most in baseball.

Given that context, it’s no surprise that Cueto hit the open market as one of the most in-demand free agents in the game following the 2015 season. He’d struggled a bit following his trade from Cincinnati to Kansas City, but Cueto’s final impression on the Royals was a two-hit, one-run complete game in Game 2 of the World Series, which the Royals won 7-1. Not a bad way to set out into free agency for the first time.

Cueto’s six-year, $132MM contract with the Giants made him the third-highest-paid pitcher of the 2015-16 offseason, trailing only David Price and Zack Greinke’s pair of $200MM+ deals (and beating MLBTR’s expectations by a year in the process). For the first year of his contract, the signing looked quite strong. Cueto hurled 219 2/3 innings of 2.79 ERA ball, made the All-Star team, and enjoyed both Cy Young and MVP votes in his first year with San Francisco. The Giants’ “even-year” dynasty was cut short at three years (2010, 2012, 2014) — but not for any fault of Cueto’s. He made one appearance in the playoffs that winter and took a brutal complete-game loss that saw him allow just one run on three hits and no walks with 10 strikeouts against the eventual-champion Cubs.

Cueto missed a handful of starts in 2017 due to an ongoing blister issue and wasn’t at his best when healthy. His 4.52 ERA that year was his worst since his rookie campaign back in 2008, and it was a particularly poorly-timed slump, as Cueto could’ve opted out of the final four years of his contract and tested the market a second time, had he turned in another healthy season of Cy-caliber results. Ankle and elbow injuries wound up hobbling Cueto in 2018, and by August of that season, he was headed for Tommy John surgery. Cueto returned late in the 2019 season and tossed 16 pedestrian innings, and his work in the shortened 2020 campaign was the worst of his career (5.40 ERA, career-high walk rate).

Expectations for Cueto were light heading into the 2021 season, then, which made his rebound effort with the Giants something of a pleasant surprise. Cueto missed nearly a month with a lat strain and was on the IL for much of September with an elbow strain. The latter of those two injuries is particularly concerning, since we didn’t see much from Cueto after he hit the IL. He made a lone rehab appearance in the minors (1 2/3 innings) and pitched 2 1/3 innings of relief in the Majors on Sept. 30.

It’s not a great note on which to end a season, but Cueto’s 92 mph velocity in that final outing was right in line with what he’d done throughout the season. And, when he was healthy, Cueto was the best version of himself fans and opponents had seen in years. No, this wasn’t Cy Young runner-up Cueto, but it was a very serviceable version of the quirky right-hander, who slotted nicely into the fourth spot in a deep San Francisco rotation.

At 35 years old, Cueto wasn’t the fireballer he was earlier in his career, but his 91.9 mph average fastball velocity was the highest mark he’d posted since that outstanding 2016 campaign. His 6.1% walk rate was also his best mark since that ’16 effort, and Cueto’s 9.7% swinging-strike rate and 31.4% opponents’ chase rate were his best marks since 2017. Cueto’s average exit velocity, hard-hit rate and barrel rate were all better than the league average, and his walk rate was in the 81st percentile of MLB pitchers.

Cueto was much more effective through his first dozen starts of the season (3.63 ERA) than over his final nine appearances (4.72), but perhaps some late fatigue was to be expected. His first “full” season back from Tommy John surgery, after all, was the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. The 2021 season was the first time since 2017 that Cueto had started the season healthy in April and was still trying to pitch into August and September.

The end result of Cueto’s 2021 campaign was a respectable 4.08 ERA and peripherals that largely backed him up (4.05 FIP, 4.27 xFIP, 4.43 SIERA). It’s not necessarily a dominant profile, and projection systems are down on him by virtue of factoring in his ugly 2019-20 results in the wake of Tommy John surgery. ZiPS has him at 92 innings of 4.43 ERA ball. Steamer is more bullish in workload (144 innings) but much more bearish in results (5.05 ERA). You’re forgiven if you are not overly optimistic for Cueto’s outlook in 2022 and beyond. The past few years, taken as a whole, have not been great.

A team that’s more focused on Cueto’s 2021 characteristics — the increase in velocity over 2018-20, the upticks in swinging strikes and chases — might see things differently, however. Cueto shouldn’t be penciled in for a return to his halcyon days of 200-plus innings and 33 starts, but he did make all 12 of his starts in 2020 and was more healthy in 2021 than he’s been since undergoing Tommy John surgery. He’s not the complete-game threat and workhorse he once was, but Cueto averaged 5 1/3 innings per start in ’21 and had been averaging about 5 2/3 per outing up until the All-Star break. It’s not out of the question that he could bounce back a bit further and make 24 to 25 starts with average or better results. At his per-start output, that clocks in somewhere in the range of 130 to 140 innings.

Maybe 135 innings of low-4.00s ERA doesn’t jump up and excite fans, but for the right team, that’s plenty valuable. The prevailing, but often incorrect, mentality is that every team possesses some guys in Triple-A who could come up and fill that role. However, there were only 89 pitchers in MLB last season who pitched at least 80 innings and posted an ERA under 4.25 — about three per team, on average. Bulk sources of respectable innings don’t necessarily grow on trees.

Clubs that already have solid options in the top four spots of their rotation could look to Cueto as a fairly affordable means of rounding things out. The Mets, Mariners, Blue Jays, Braves, Cubs and the incumbent Giants all fit that billing to varying extents. A team in need of filling out multiple rotation spots (e.g. Twins, Nationals, Rangers) might look for a bit more reliability, but perhaps even they’d see some merit in installing Cueto as a steadying presence while awaiting the arrival of some younger arms.

Regardless of Cueto’s eventual destination, it’s a bit surprising that he’s become something of a forgotten man this time around in free agency. There’s been nary a word about his market since the Giants opted for a $5MM buyout over a $22MM club option for the 2022 season. At a net $17MM, that option was never getting picked up, but Cueto had a decent rebound campaign in ’21 and probably ought to be getting a little more consideration as fans, pundits and teams alike consider the post-lockout market. He might not command more than a one-year deal, and that comes with serious bargain potential — relative to other names who’ve signed thus far, anyway.

Corey Kluber got $8MM from the Rays, and Cueto pitched as much in 2021 as Kluber has over the past three years combined. Jordan Lyles received a $7MM guarantee from the Orioles despite leading the Majors with 38 homers allowed last year and leading the Majors in earned runs allowed since 2020. Andrew Heaney got $8.5MM from the Dodgers. The Red Sox gave $7MM to Michael Wacha. This isn’t to disparage any of those deals individually. The teams paying those salaries are paying for varying levels of perceived upside, relative youth and/or bulk innings. However, it’s hard to see those figures and think Cueto won’t command something similar, if not better. And if he does clock in south of that range due to concerns over the late elbow issue, he has some significant bargain potential.

It seems silly to call a multi-time All-Star and former Cy Young candidate who just finished up a nine-figure deal “overlooked,” but Cueto hasn’t gotten much attention even in terms of pure free-agent speculation, despite the fact that he just turned in a pretty decent season overall.

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  1. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    Not if there is no season…

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    • Deadguy

      3 years ago

      Don’t say that, the image of Johnnu Cueto kicking Jason LaRue in the head over and over was bad enough already

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  2. amk1920

    3 years ago

    Giants didn’t think so. They’d rather throw the same relief pitchers against the Dodgers over and over again.

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    • Baseball 1600

      3 years ago

      Cueto was coming off an injury and only had one start before the playoffs started since that IL stint. It made sense to keep him off the roster

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    • nukeg

      3 years ago

      The Giants declined a $22M club option for 2022. That was the easiest decision the organization has ever had to make. We’ll except maybe to procure a larger helmet for Barry Bonds.

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  3. rond-2

    3 years ago

    Twins should consider Cueto, why not?!?

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      Now that the Braves have a real championship and the Dodgers have a fake championship, the Twins and A’s are the top two teams in terms of most postseason appearances this century without a title…real OR fake.

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      • Deadguy

        3 years ago

        Fake and real championships! All I can do is laugh

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      • gbs42

        3 years ago

        The record books show the Dodgers as 2020 World Series champions, no asterisk. Thinking differently is fine, just don’t expect much agreement.

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        • Bob Sacamano 310

          3 years ago

          Yeah and even with the shortened season, there was an extra team they had to beat with the expanded playoffs that season.

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        • a_giant_donut

          3 years ago

          one extra playoff round hardly makes up for the ONE HUNDRED PLUS games that they didn’t have to go through during the regular season. lmfao.

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        • gbs42

          3 years ago

          donut, they played by the same rules as everyone else, they dominated the regular season, and they won every playoff series. No one else accomplished this. They’re legit 2020 World Series champs, period.

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        • a_giant_donut

          3 years ago

          they didn’t play a regular season.

          they’re a champion in the same way that my plastic soccer participation trophy is made of 24-karat gold.

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    • nukeg

      3 years ago

      Read how many times the article says “when he was healthy…”

      Reply
  4. angt222

    3 years ago

    Cueto to Boston to fill a starting rotation spot and bring a little Luis Tiant resemblance on the mound.

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    • Cosmo2

      3 years ago

      Needs the ‘stache

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    • 123redsox

      3 years ago

      Lol sale, eovaldi, Hauck. Hill, pivetta, wacha with Paxton back mid season and seabold ready to debut

      Reply
  5. Vizionaire

    3 years ago

    Mariners!

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    • crazybaseballgal

      3 years ago

      He’s one of the most fun to watch. But I’d only take him at low $$$ and 1-2 years tops.

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      3 years ago

      I hope they go get someone who can make more of an impact. They have the trade ammo for Castillo or Gray from the Reds, or one of the starters the A’s are likely shopping as well.

      Reply
  6. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Cueto can likely be had on a one year deal so he could appeal to teams with eyes on contention (Tigers, Mariners, Rangers), teams that could use the help (Twins, Phillies) or even teams hoping for an trade chip at the deadline (Pirates, Nationals)

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      AA likes one-year deals for veterans in Atlanta so that’s also a possibility. I don’t think it’s the most likely scenario though.

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      • FredMcGriff for the HOF

        3 years ago

        @48. Let’s hope not. Johnny has seen better days. I’m with you in leaning towards it won’t matter due to the season probably getting cancelled. Both sides are too far apart.

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    • tigerfan4ever

      3 years ago

      I think shortly after the lockdown ends, Wily Peralta may be pursued by the Tigers. He did a pretty decent job last season after being promoted and could be a nice piece at the back of the rotation.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        I don’t see the Tigers gambling on Peralta, again. Alexander looked ready, and Wendt is available too. They are both better options. I do think the Tigers will look to add a starter to cover for Turnbull being out for the year. They will want someone more reliable than any of those three, though. Its why I mentioned Cueto as a possible option yesterday. They will be looking for someone on a one year, or one plus an option contract.

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        • For Love of the Game

          3 years ago

          Alexander is more a piggyback or swing guy than a fifth starter. Hopeful on Wendt. Still need seven starters to hopefully have five at all times. Faedo to the pen when he’s ready.

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          Once Fetters worked with Alexander on his cutter he became much more effective. He was a starter in the minors, but made the team as a reliever, so they had to build him back up by piggybacking when they needed him in the rotation. Only due to the circumstances was he not ready to go starters innings. If slated to be in the rotation at the start, I’m sure he will be capable.

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        • Hello, Newman

          3 years ago

          I would like to see Rony Garcia in the rotation mix this year.

          Faedo and Wentz should start the season in Toledo; regain some confidence and get back in a groove.

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    • PiratesFan1981

      3 years ago

      Pirates could use his veteran leadership. If he isn’t dealt at the trade deadline, it would be rewarding to the Pirates young pitching staff. Another veteran in the rotation or bullpen, could give those young arms a chance to learn the art of pitching

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      • Monkey’s Uncle

        3 years ago

        I wouldn’t at all hate Cueto coming to Pittsburgh… although the first thing I always think of when his name is mentioned is him dropping the ball on the mound right before giving up that homer to Russell Martin in the 2013 playoffs. That’s entirely unfair of me, as Cueto is a heck of a pitcher, but I can’t help it.

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  7. bruno202

    3 years ago

    24 career starts vs LA Dodgers, 239 /.296 /.386
    6 career starts vs SF Giants, .215 / .287 / .262
    Padres could use some of that

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    • PiratesFan1981

      3 years ago

      But gets smashed by Colorado and Arizona. Pick your poison

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      • bruno202

        3 years ago

        19 career starts vs Colorado .256 /.313 /.370
        22 career starts vs Arizona .232 /.299 /.398
        This is getting smashed?

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        • Cosmo2

          3 years ago

          Considering he’s at the extreme back end of his career are his career stats really relevant anyway?

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  8. jessaumodesto

    3 years ago

    Rumor I hear is that he may sign with Korea. Not sure if it’s North or South, but definitely a Korean team

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    • bucsfan

      3 years ago

      Lol

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      There’s nearly a zero percent chance of him signing in Korea. At the absolute worst, he’ll be offered $5M by a MLB team once the lockout ends (probably much more), but even at $5M, that will be at least 2X what a Korean team would be able to pay him. In fact I think the KBO has a maximum salary for a first year, foreign-born free agent and it is close to, or less than, $2M per year (I could be wrong). Regardless, with all the money he’s made career to date and with a strong post lockout market for pitching, there’s no reason for him to consider moving across the globe to play for less money unless he just wants the personal experience of playing/living in a new country.

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      • tstats

        3 years ago

        r/woosh

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        • Jbigz12

          3 years ago

          Missed the sarcasm.

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  9. The_Voice_Of_REASON

    3 years ago

    Great article and great pitcher.

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  10. Dorothy_Mantooth

    3 years ago

    I could see Cueto getting a similar deal that the Red Sox gave Garrett Richards in 2021; maybe a little less expensive. Richards signed a 1 year, $10M deal with a $10M club option for 2022 (which Boston chose not to pick up). I could see Cueto getting a 1 year, $9M offer with a 2023 club option with a $1M buyout. So he’d be guaranteed $10M for 2022 if he were to be bought out.

    It really comes down to his medicals. An elbow strain in September is certainly concerning but if his MRI comes back clean, some team will take a chance on him. He’s a savvy pitcher who gets all he can out of his talent and he would be a great teacher/mentor for younger pitchers on the staff. Personally, I would have preferred a Cueto signing by Boston instead of the $7M Michael Wacha deal. That $7M seems like a waste of money to me.

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    • Jbigz12

      3 years ago

      blogs.fangraphs.com/red-sox-fill-out-rotation-with…

      If anyone wanted to see the logic behind Wacha’s signing this article breaks it down.

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  11. fred-3

    3 years ago

    I said it at the time… the Giants screwed up royally not pitching Cueto in G4 vs LA. He had playoff experience and great success at Dodger Stadium. They went with Disco instead and he got shelled

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    • a_giant_donut

      3 years ago

      cueto was coming off an elbow injury and one two inning relief appearance in september and you wanted him to start a playoff game?

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  12. Timothy Frith

    3 years ago

    If MLB and the MLBPA agree to a new CBA and end the lockout for good, all 30 teams will continue making offseason moves before the shortened 2022 spring training begins in mid-March.

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  13. JerryBird

    3 years ago

    Cueto is toast. The Giants got one good season for $130M. Injured or not, the Giants got F-d, like most long term contracts for starting pitchers. If he had value, the Giants would have kept him. Let him go overseas where mediocre players can look good for a season or two.

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    • solaris602

      3 years ago

      The thing that really amplifies the futility of that contract is the fact they also signed Jeff Samarzdija at the same time. Both contracts were for too much and too long, and neither pitcher did anything remarkable in that time.

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    • nukeg

      3 years ago

      No way Giants keep him for 2022: the “keep” price was $22M.

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  14. BlueSkies_LA

    3 years ago

    Worth something for the entertainment value alone. I get a real kick out of watching that guy pitch.

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    • GarryHarris

      3 years ago

      It’s like a combination Luis Tiant – Dean Chance delivery.

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    • crazybaseballgal

      3 years ago

      agree. Plus he tips his cap and expresses thanks to the defense when they make a good play. So fun

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  15. Cosmo2

    3 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind him on the Mets. They basically need rotation filler.

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    • rct

      3 years ago

      If he was more durable, I could absolutely see him on the Mets. They need an innings eater.

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      • Cosmo2

        3 years ago

        Yea. I was kind of seeing him as an innings eater but at his age and with his history there’s a better than not chance that he’ll be injured a chunk of the season. I guess he’s the proverbial “if you think he can stay healthy” type.

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  16. ohyeadam

    3 years ago

    Welcome to Twins Territory!

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  17. Stan 2

    3 years ago

    I can see the Yankees taking a flyer on him to be their Corey Kluber of 2022

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  18. angels1961

    3 years ago

    He fits Angels on 1 year deal.

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  19. twinky

    3 years ago

    Cancel the season. Next year if the brats get it settled, they can play. Many fans will write off the sport all together

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    • Armaments216

      3 years ago

      Great idea to bring in the brats. The racing sausages will get it settled.

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      • Cosmo2

        3 years ago

        That would be the wurst

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    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      canceling the season to repel fans somehow doesn’t seem like a good idea…

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  20. aTouchOfSarcasm

    3 years ago

    Cueto approaching 8 to 10 million would be a real kick in the head.
    -Jason LaRue-

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  21. mrmackey

    3 years ago

    Kluber is fragile for sure, but he did start to look like his prime self for a stretch in 2021, including throwing a no-hitter. Cueto is way past his prime.

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  22. Triteon

    3 years ago

    Make him take a kick to the head — with cleats — before signing anywhere. POS shouldn’t be in baseball.

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  23. mlb1225

    3 years ago

    Cueto is just one of those pitchers on the market who really fits any team. A contender can viably slide him into the #5 spot. A rebuilding team can use him as a potential trade piece.

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    • Herc33

      3 years ago

      Only thing with that is durability. If you’re the Pirates or Dbacks and you’re taking a flier just hoping you can trade him at the deadline, there’s some serious risk built in based on injury history. I think a lot of people would rather have him than Lyles or Wacha, so I’m thinking he’s going to be like $8-$10M probably.

      He really seems to me to be an ideal backend option on a contender who could use another arm.

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    • NoSaint

      3 years ago

      @mlb1225

      Mostly agree with your assessment. I see him more as a #6 on a contending team because of the durability concerns. He still has value, but not getting the ball every 5th day IMO.

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  24. brucenewton

    3 years ago

    Old and injured former all stars have Cashman drooling. As good as signed.

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    • crazybaseballgal

      3 years ago

      Lol

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  25. 5toolMVP

    3 years ago

    “Open your mind”

    ~Kuato
    Total Recall

    Totally unrelated…but every time I hear the name Cueto I think of Kuato and now you do too. Haha!

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  26. joew

    3 years ago

    he would start the season near the top of the Pirates rotation. Could be a good stepping stone for a possible trade chip like Quintana if they perform at all.

    The pirates do have some younger arms that need innings, but some of them are a bit longer shots now like Keller.

    Of course someone will probably out bid the pirates. If nothing else he would be nice to come here for the Fun PR after that ball drop and home run.

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    • Pete'sView

      3 years ago

      I think the Giants made a mistake DFAing Quintana. I think the Pirates will be pleasantly surprised.

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  27. Pete'sView

    3 years ago

    Johnny Cueto is one of the most entertaining pitchers in baseball, and would be worth a one-year contract to be #5 in a rotation. And, even in the past couple of years, he could still make some hitters look silly.

    I will miss the guy when he retires.

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  28. mikemcsaudi

    3 years ago

    Since when is an ERA above 4.00 “respectable”. It used to be a ticket to the minors out to early retirement.

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    • Cosmo2

      3 years ago

      A 4.00 ERA has been respectable for many years now. The game has changed.

      Reply
  29. mister guy

    3 years ago

    I don’t understand: “even-year” dynasty – like you could say “even-year dynasty” as in – the quote, even year dynasty or even-year “dynasty ” if you are trying to note it as a so-called dynasty but in the above “even-year” dynasty you are essentially saying – yes you believe it as a dynasty but that the even year is in title only. Absolutely no one challenges the years that the giants won.

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