Mets right-hander Jacob deGrom was to undergo an MRI today, and the news isn’t positive for the former NL Cy Young Award winner. As per ESPN’s Jeff Passan, deGrom suffered a stress reaction in his right scapula. The Mets announced that DeGrom will be re-evaluated after being shut down for the next four weeks.
Between the shutdown, the necessary ramp-up period, and probably some natural caution given all of deGrom’s recent injuries, a 60-day IL placement seems likely. That would put deGrom on track for a June debut in a best-case scenario, and thus it will mean that the ace will be going roughly 11 months between Major League outings. DeGrom last pitched on July 7, 2021 before then suffering a forearm issue that wound up ending his season.
Between that forearm problem and multiple smaller injuries beforehand, deGrom pitched only 92 innings in 2021, though he was spectacular in that abbreviated campaign. DeGrom had a 1.08 ERA, 45.1% strikeout rate, and a 3.4% walk rate, and seemed to be on pace for a season for the ages. Despite all his missed time, deGrom’s performance still earned him a ninth-place finish in NL Cy Young voting.
If there is any silver lining to today’s news, a stress reaction is at least preferable to a more serious shoulder injury, as Passan writes that “typically, stress reactions are healed through rest.” Retired right-hander Brandon McCarthy (who suffered the same injury early in his career) also chimed in, tweeting that the stress reaction “really isn’t a big deal. Not as big as it seems. [DeGrom will] be just fine.”
With deGrom out of action, the Mets’ rotation depth will be tested again. Max Scherzer, Carlos Carrasco, Taijuan Walker, and the newly-acquired Chris Bassitt will now form the top four, and one of Tylor Megill, Trevor Williams, or David Peterson will step into that fifth starter’s role. It could be that the Mets use more than one of those hurlers as a starter, and as always, a new acquisition can’t be ruled out given how aggressive the Mets have been this winter. However, GM Billy Eppler told reporters (including Deesha Thosar of The New York Daily News) that deGrom’s injury doesn’t necessarily make a trade for pitching any more likely.
Beyond the short-term impact of the injury on deGrom’s status and on the Mets’ season, there is also a longer-term contractual situation looming. DeGrom has already stated that he plans to exercise the opt-out clause in his contract following the season, though naturally this latest injury could change his thinking. DeGrom is owed $33.5MM this season and $30.5MM in 2023, and New York has a $32.5MM club option on his services for 2024. If deGrom returns from his injury and posts his usual numbers, he’ll still surely opt out in search of a lengthier and more lucrative deal with the Mets or another team. Should he miss more time, however, or struggle following his return, it will create more of a decision for deGrom in choosing whether or not to test the open market.
Shocked!
Just a thought, I always have maintained that the constant throwing of a 100 mph fastball and a 90 mph slider wasn’t conducive to a long term career, as awesome as it seems in the moment.
Its the problem these days and a sign of the times….not every pitcher was meant to throw 95+mph heat but nowadays analytics very strongly promotes those types of pitchers, so its gonna get worse rather than better
Wouldn’t it be funny if it came out tomorrow that the Mets were just pulling an April Fool’s joke? It wouldn’t be the first time the Mets made a huge, high profile April Fool’s joke about an ace level starting pitcher. Maybe this is karma paying the Mets back on April Fool’s day for the Sidd Finch trick they played on their fans. The Mets pretended they had an ace one April Fools when they didn’t. Now they lose their ace on another April Fools. That sounds like karma to me.
In case anyone doesn’t know who Sidd Finch is, here’s the link to the Sports Illustrated story. They claimed he could throw “168 mph.”
https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/2020/04/01/sidd-finch-april-fools-article-george-plimpton-lane-stewart-joe-berton
Say that to Randy Johnson
yankees2016rebuild…………..
Randy didn’t throw straight over top….huge difference. The human body is not designed to throw over-top, especially not with such force.
Sign Johnny Cueto ASAP
Bartolo Colon
Colon was great for the game.
By cheating?
The game is always better with “Big Sexy” in it
He didn’t cheat he was just married to two different women at the same time
Bad news for sure on deGrom. Someone better do a welfare check on Metsfan22…
Another gut punch for deGrom and the Mets
And I’m not piling on here … would love to see Jacob pitch this year.
One of the best but can you imagine what a loss like this would do to a small market team. The Mets will just go out and buy someone to replace him!
And who exactly could replace the best pitcher in baseball? It’s a massive loss for the sport as a whole. DeGrom is an artist, but his injuries are giving me Johan Santana vibes.
For now, anybody can pitch better than an ace with a jacked up shoulder. Anybody!
Ugh. Sorry Mets fans.
Evergreen.
Too many young stars getting injured over & over again, why? This sucks for baseball
Bring back the roids lol
Hemorrhoids never did me any good, I’d say leave’em behind, literally
no lol from my end
I knew you were George Brett. Good job in 81.
Thanks, I was itching to get out there & play, butt it was hard to get my seat off the bench
Incoming trade for Montas…
It’s going to cost them. A’s are hugging him pretty tight, several teams have been trying to get him all month.
I’d rather have Manea. Montas has the PED suspension on his resume.
And that’s all we need.
At least he, Cano, and Marte will all have something to talk about
Yeah, I’m sure they’re gonna trade all those top prospects they still have in…oh wait
Baty can go, Mauricio is not going to stay at SS, probably move to 3B
and we still have Vientos 1B/3B/OF.
A’s need a replacement for Chapman.
A’s have Kevin Smith who they got from the Jays for this season and Zack Gelof should be ready next season. A “replacement for Chapman” may not be the centerpiece of a deal
Mets have plenty of top prospects.
Oh no.
Look.
I enjoy a good lolmets joke as much as the next guy. But this is just terrible. deGrom might be the most dominant pitcher in the game. Which is a pretty Big Deal to lose.
They should be used to it by now.
I get that he’s dominant. When he’s healthy. That’s a huge caveat. He misses so many starts that it’s hard to say he’s the best pitcher in the game. Durability matters. If he could dial it back 10% and stay healthy, then he’d be generate the type of value for his team that his paycheck says he’s going to generate.
Not sure where he gets the reputation for not being durable. He pitched the most innings in baseball from 2017-20. Last year is when it all started.
Got it from Reese Encibias. Seems like only yesterday…
Time to start the missed WAR counter.
@ham Many have your thoughts. When healthy, he’s fun to watch.
The problem is that guys become “most dominant” because their bodies have been manipulated (legitimately, not talking PED) to do things human bodies aren’t designed to do.
Pitchers don’t need to be Tom Glavine either, but somebody needs to start training pitchers for longevity more than just peak ability.
Ted – The game has changed because teams have jumped on the analytics bandwagon that says to use lots of hardthrowing pitchers for short amounts of time each game.
Before, pitchers actually pitched instead of hurled. Starting pitchers would leave something in the tank each inning with the expectation they’d still be in the game in the 7th. Relief pitchers would reach back for a bit more velocity on occasion.
Now, starting pitchers are expected to throw as hard as they can for 5 innings.
Relief pitchers are expected to throw as hard as they can for 2-3 batters.
And to accommodate these shorter appearances, 9-pitcher bullpens is now common.
It’s crazy how so many teams are like sheep. Rather than think for themselves, they simply try to emulate other teams that have had moderate success.
Did the Wilpon’s put a hex on the Mets on their way out the door?
Ouch. He’s a great talent. Baseball is better with him.
And so it begins
I only wanted to watch baseball this year for deGrom. I’m done. Mets stay cursed.
So you were only going to watch one game every 5 days anyways?
Yes.
That’s about how much I tune in to watch my NY Knicks which I’ve been a fan of… for forever… unfortunately. I can empathize with Mets fans for prior organizational mismanagement bc the Knicks are even worse for far longer.
Being a Knicks fan was the single most important element of my abandoning the NBA. Mercy. The sheer incompetence.
I had season tickets one year. I didn’t like taking my daughter to see them for fear of her picking up bad habits. There was one game I saw the opposition taking uncontested shots ten trips in a row. Not layups or anything, but a couple were. And some threes where it looked like the shooter was measuring the 3-point line like he was taking a foul shot.
Those are definitely some bad habits I don’t want my kids to adopt either. NBA is bad for children
Yes for sure. It seems like for a brief period last year maybe they were making a resurgence. But now they’re back to their same old same old
As a Laker fan, I can totally relate to you Knick fans this year.
Mess gonna Mess.
Damn, DeGrom and Tatis out is no bueno for MLB
Both were completely preventable. One guy (deGrom) didn’t need to be trained to throw the ball as hard as humanly possible every pitch and one guy (tatis) is a selfish moron who will never win anything in the league.
you would know about being a “selfish moron” judging by your condescending attitude.
Tatis has already won some meaningful accolades in the league.
Man, if only they had you, an anonymous internet commenter who posts with the benefit of hindsight and speculation, deGrom and Tatis would be sitting pretty.
You don’t need hindsight to know that throwing the ball as hard as you can every single throw isn’t good on the human body nor do you need the benefit of hindsight to know riding a dirt bike isn’t dangerous especially given his fragile shoulder to begin with. So quit thinking you had a gotcha moment on me and use that pee brain and think.
As a Padres fan, I feel your pain Mets fans. Best of luck for a quick recovery. deGrom is one of my favorites
Uggh.
You hate to see this, I hope he recovers to full health before the end of the year.
This SUCKS!!! Even as a Braves fan I HATE not seeing the best on the field. I truly hope this dudes career is not cut short because of arm problems.
Same crap different year.. best players are going down one by one and the season didn’t even start yet. Really fed up with watching the best players in the league missing months at a time
With all the advances in training, nutrition, bio-mechanics, load management, etc, it is just so strange that modern ballplayers struggle so much more to stay on the field than in years past.
I think it is a circular problem. With all the stresses on the body produced by competitive sports, teams and athletes have to be extra attuned to the things you pointed out. When everyone does those things, sports becomes even more competitive. So you keep pushing yourself to out-compete, but physiology hasn’t changed as much.
Yeah, I think you might be on to something there. I’m certainly not smart enough to figure it out.
Teams used to always have at least one player that played in 162 games. Now the entire league may have one or two.
Ducky, what’s interesting is Ryan was doing max effort before everyone else followed. Ryan, however, was a freak.
I am not sure about that.
Ryan would “dial it up” in certain situations. I really don’t think it was on every pitch. Granted I was pretty young & lacked a lot of nuance in my understanding of baseball (& everything – heh) so I certainly could be flat out wrong here.
You are absolutely correct — Nolan Ryan paced himself throughout a game. He understood, as many great pitchers in the past did, that they needed to throw 200-300 innings per year to help their teams. In every game, there were moments when he needed to throw at max effort, so he did. But most of the pitches were not at max effort. Throwing with max effort is a huge mistake and it’s a scourge of the game.
Nolan also could have used steroids. He certainly had teammates who did. It’s hard to understand how he could have pitched so well for so long at the age he did without help. I mean there’s Barry Bonds, someone who had help and took advantage of it, and there’s pretty much every other player in MLB history. Everyone got older, slower, less quick, less strong, etc. except Barry and Nolan.
Ducky………………
All the ” training, nutrition, bio-mechanics, load management, etc,” in the world cannot make up for the fact that pitchers today are being asked to do something the human body is not designed to do.
Max effort delivery has definitely been a game changer for pitchers. It’s a trend with position players too.
Ducky it’s just like cars. Finely tuned racing cars are awesome. My old Chevy truck will be running long after they’re gone to the scrap heap. I’m just not sure the human body is made to do the things top athletes are doing now.
I think it’s cumulative. Little League to Legion (select teams), High School, then either college or professional baseball (if gifted and committed)…
That’s a lot of throws on an elbow, shoulder etc…
Hmmm surprise, surprise!!! Stop the presses!!! Analytics cant prevent injuries!! Shocking news!!
If anything they may be involved in causing them…
For sure. I think what also enters into it ,is unlike the old days, players make so much money now ,that they and the teams are super conservative about not playing them with the slightest ailment. I’m not denying that some injuries are really serious. I think in the so-called old days, they played regardless of health oftentimes because they wanted to earn their paycheck, and teams didn’t shut them down so quickly to protect their investments as they do now, in my opinion.
Seems like a legitimate reason to get irrationally angry
Sign Johnny Cueto now
DeGrom career is over
Doubtful. If anyone can adjust to pitching a little slower and more accurately, a la Greg Maddux, it’s Jacob deGrom.
They should put him in the pen as a lockdown closer.
I’ve wondered if DeGrom is too skinny to hold up….kinda like Chris Sale who keeps getting hurt.
He incurred an injury to his arm years ago and has been pitching through it. That’s probably why so many other little issues are bound to pop up. He’s pitching on a damaged arm and has been for some time.
Yep, when a pitcher tries to compensate for an arm injury it causes other injuries.
At best, we won’t see Jake till June. We’ll see what happens. But he’s not opting out now. And if he’s back, and healthy for the 2nd half of the season, it’s all good.
Honestly, not to be a pessimist, but this is the beginning of the end.
Shut down for 4 weeks. 5 week ramp up. Setback at some point. All-Star break at best,trade deadline addition likely,but oh man.
Just part of the game. I know a 32 year old woman with three kids, 6,3, 6 months who has liver cancer and will be dead by fall. Her family will be medical bankruptcy victims. Husband runs a card shop. They don’t make 30 million a year.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
Some people have bigger health issues than a stress reaction in a scapula. One is painful while the other could be fatal. DeGrom is set for life; the commenter’s friend probably is not.
respectfully, and the point being?
I feel for them but I don’t know what you’re getting at.
That will cure everyone’s depression. Thanks, sunshine.
At this moment people are being murdered in Ukraine by the hands of Russians. Life is wildly unfair.
To add, impressionable young men whom are poorly-trained being sent in as conscripts to a slaughterhouse. Pure cannon-fodder. So unnecessary.
I feel for the woman and her kids, very tragic, but there are even worse case scenarios, and I’ll refrain from sharing
A 3 month lock out didn’t help. Teams have no idea what players were doing during this time. No regular medical attention or time with training staff. He could have been throwing or training in a way that was negatively affecting his arm and led to this. I think the players need to file a grievance against the league for this and and at least have this portion changed in the next lockout which will undoubtedly come during the next cba negotiations in 6 years
DeGrom is 33 years old. Has been training for decades, with the Mets organization for over 10 years. I believe he knows how to throw and train by now.. Most likely he was training with whomever the private trainer that he normally trains with in the off season while the lockout was going on. Weak to blame the lockout for any injury. Most likely the injury would have happened if there was no lockout as it was stress related. and he had issues with his shoulder and elbow all last season so it seams it was going to happen no matter what.
Yup, kind of silly to blame the lockout, imo. This just falls under the category of “most pitchers get injured”.
Well, that’s a grievance that will never get filed.
that’s no excuse. If DeGrom was a rookie that no body had ever heard of than yeah the lock out could be to blame. He is one of the best highly paid pitcher in baseball, Years of experience. He should know how to train and who to call medically if he has any problems. He can afford the best.
And the Mets are bursting into flames again…….
Not comparing the injuries..but is scapula the same body part Jimmy Nelson injured 3-4 years ago?
;Looked it up. Torn rotator cuff and labrum.
Thanks. Now I remember it..but not why scapula is familiar. Oh well.
Msybe cause Nelsn’s was a weird injury like this one was., I had forgotten about Nelson too and that is why I looked up. He got hurt diving back into 1st base to avoid getting double off. Though it was dislocated and thought it popped right back in. Went out and threw 17 pitches in the bottom of the inning hitting 93 and held the Cubs scoreless.,
Well Hell’s Bells! This ain’t the way to start.
wow! as a Phillie fan that makes me happy. But being a Philadelphia sports fan I know how if feels when a major player gets injured.
psssst…most of the fellas on the board played ball at one time or another. Celebrating a players injury is probably the most efficient way to piss everyone off. Particularly at the one doing the celebrating. FYI.
Might wanna keep that “take” to yourself in the future.
+1 to everything Ducky said. Stay Classy Philly!
Multiple Phillies fans, myself included, expressed regret and disappointment. Let’s not lump an entire fanbase with one comment.
yep, and here’s the inevitable overgeneralization…
No offense intended, cross off Philly in my response with bumpy.
As a Phillies fan, nothing should make you happy. You and your miserable ilk.
Stay classless bumpkin…
Sucks when the greats can’t stay on the field due to injury
as a baseball fan, this sucks.
I’m thinking Jake will rethink opting out after 2022 and take the 32.5M for 2023.
Good post. I think if he can get 20 starts he will opt-out but 20 starts may or may not happen.
Rest in Peace Metsfan22
Nah. He’s got his excuse now.
Being a Mets fan builds character. Right? Lemons and making lemonade – yes.
Hang in there Mets fans. Buck had a lot less to work with down here in Baltimore and he made it work … he’ll more than make things workout for you as well.
Can you Say Steroid Effects…
can you say conspiracy theory?
I can say it, but it doesn’t make it true.
Can we do swears here?
Damn ******* right we can.
Terrible… just terrible.
Really feel bad for Jacob and all baseball fans!!!
nobody should lol or joke, if your a baseball fan this sucks, no matter what, forget about being a met fan this will just be terrible for fans hoping to watch these 2 pitch, hopefully he doesnt miss the entire season
Well said?
Get well soon, deGrom!
There’s no replacing deGrom but hopefully we get the Carrasco of 2014-2020 and Megill becomes the the mid rotation guy I think he’ll be.
This Stink, DeGrom is the most exciting pitcher to watch in the game.
Sometimes you wonder averaging 100mph in his starts last year did long term damage to his arm.
Sounds like a precursor to a major arm and/or shoulder surgery.
Mets will string this along until they can land another starter. Mets are on the line with Billy Beane/
A’s as we speak about one of their 2 top starters on the trading block,
Apparently, you don’t know where the scapula is.
Scapula–That’x a potato dish, right? Gonna have some with the ham for easter 🙂
First, I said all along that between deGrom and Scherzer they should expect on the average to get one full year of starts. DeGrom was the higher risk.
Second, better buy lots of bubble wrap for Max.
Three, Mets will not get Sean Maneaa or Frankie Montas without trading Francisco Alvarez, Ronny Mauricio or Brett Baty. Sorry, Uncle Steve.
Four, if Max gets injured, they will be lucky to be ahead of either Miami or Philadelphia.
Too bad, but completely expected. Jacob deGrom was one of the most exciting pitchers that I have ever seen. And a good hitter, too.
Beane now has them by the short hairs.
I’ve said it before, but DeGrom is done. It’s time to move on. I’ve been watching him for years as a Mets fan and waiting for this day to come
The bones have always been brittle. I’ve been expecting the bone to shatter as he pitches. It just did, but thankfully it wasn’t too serious
He’s a 9th round pick that wasn’t really a great talent. There’s only so many bullets in there
There’s no way to fix it. No way to get it back
“typically, stress reactions are healed through rest.” the article says.
He hasn’t pitched since last July not counting a little in spring.
What’s rest going to do? Bite the bullet and try to trade for the best option out there because he is not coming back… at least for long.
I was off by 2 weeks. Mets are snake bit.
Mets continue to impress
Shocked!!!!! April fools!! It would be shocking if he was actually able to be healthy.
They probably won’t, but the Mets should convert him to a closer, period
It’s the only way to salvage his career. The arm and shoulder will shatter with multiple innings
I’m saying similar things about Lamet right about now!
Oakland Receptionist: “I have the Mets on line 1.”
Early start for Mets apologists. Hope he returns soon and doesn’t miss any more time, just so that we don’t have to keep hearing excuses from Mets fans in ’22
Tough when we lose the best pitcher in the game, do the Mets now look to sign Manea or Montos?
What is with the Mets and pitching injuries? It is just insane.
So many comments can be said…both serious and some jabs on certain posters.
Serious note: Father Time hits everyone. Unfortunate for deGrom and his career. The Mets fans that stated things like deGrom was exempt from aging due to his innings, are just delusional or uneducated in the human aging process. But overall, sad for the guy in his career. Father Time catches up with all of us.
It’s not even time, his arm has been fundamentally damaged his whole career. This really was just a matter of time. Hopefully he recovers quick, but the next shoe will likely drop not long after.
That’s the other thing. When some of your Mets brethren was arguing with people that deGrom was different, it absolutely made zero sense because of his health history and his age.
Definitely something that was easy to see coming. I guess he won’t be opting out after this season…but I sense that doesn’t appease you Mets fans either considering what it may mean for the remainder of his contract.
Bad news. I hope he get well soon.
Jabs for the trolls and certain Mets fans:
Paging @MetsFan22…paging @MetsFan22…updated us on the Mets missing WAR.
Further for @MetsFan22, I have seen some jinxing, but nothing like this before. Seriously, your statement that deGrom didn’t have to do anything else in his career to make the Hall really backfired. He got injured in his very next start and has been hurt since. I live in Miami where we have Santeros with Santeria and Voo Doo priests and priestesses, and I don’t think anyone has put together a hex on anyone as strong as the one you hit deGrom with. You’ve got some skills kid. How’d you do that?
I’ll save the next one for another post.
I get that he gets under your skin but maybe be the better person, your post just lowers yourself to his level
I’m guessing that you’re not aware that I’m not the only one that calls him out for his stuff. In fact, this is the first time I mentioned the missing WAR part that many many others have been cracking on him about ever since he said it.
You’ve got a lot of people to lecture on this board in defense of @MetsFan22. He’s made a lot of friends who enjoy his “intel”.
@MarlinsFanBase I don’t think anyone is defending a certain poster who is undoubtedly a troll.
Knock knock…
Mets: Who’s there?
Voice: Father.
Mets: Father who?
Voice: Father Time.
Mets: Go away!
Voice: No. You can’t avoid me. In fact, prepare the guest room for me. I may be visiting a lot this year.
Steve Cohen is drinking a 50 year old bottle of wine from France right now by himself.
If he drank Sam’s Choice, Winn Dixie, Publix or some other generic wine brand, he’d be able to spend another $500 million for more 33+ year old players with good years in the rearview mirror.
Why are you doing this? Your team doesn’t even have any other fans besides yourself. Pretty bad look and quite petty.
Is it a worse look that you all claiming to be World Series champions every year during the offseason, and then most of you disappear during the season once your team falters?
Knock knock
Marlins: Who’s there?
Jeter: Not me
@PitcherMeRolling
FYI – South Florida doesn’t worship Jeter like the northeastern U.S. does. But I can complete your ‘Knock Knock’ joke since you cut it short.
Knoch Knock
Marlins: Who’s there?
Jeter: Not me.
Marlins: What’s your excuse now after you claimed that we didn’t want to spend any more money, and we went ahead and signed Jorge Soler? Besides, Mr. Sherman said you can go…and don’t let the door hit your pelvic sores on the way out. And we’re not giving you a gift basket either. The box that we gave you for your belongings is all you get. Now leave before we call security or Josh Beckett again.
I don’t live in the NE. But, yeah, the Marlins showed everybody by signing Soler.
They didn’t show everybody in the context you’re trying to jab with, but they did showed the lack of credibility in Jeter’s statements out the door.
Do we need to go over Jeter’s statements? I don’t see how anybody can try to say Jeter looks good or carries any credibility with his statements after the Marlins did indeed spend on another addition. Only a Jeter fanboy would try to make something of Jeter’s comments after they were discredited.
I don’t particularly like Jeter. I think he was overrated as a player and didn’t do much to stand out in his role with the Marlins.
But, that doesn’t mean he’s not right. If the same thing happened to the Mets, Angels, Mariners, etc you’d probably be repeating the same knock knock joke on those posts, too. You don’t have to like it when people mention the Marlins in the same light.
Stick a fork in both him and the Mets. Both done before the season even started.
Great part time pitcher. I like him a lot. but I don’t expect him to pitch a full season from here on out. Sucks because he’s obviously the best starter out there and seems like a really good guy. Don’t underestimate Scherzer.. He could well make all of his starts. As a Giants lifer I’ve watched Cueto for years and he would be a solid pickup but he’s pretty much a part timer now too. Good luck Met’s fans.
The next headline for DeGrom this season will be Tommy John surgery!
I’m pulling for Jacob but isn’t it something that if he never threw another pitch, he’d still make it to the HOF. Even with 77 wins and barely 1,500 K’s.
I don’t know if he makes it without a bit more time. There’s a lot of dominant pitchers who’s prime only lasted 2-3 seasons. Injury just take their toll. deGrom was among the best, and I hope he will be again, but there’s reasonable doubt.
I believe the minimum HOF requirement is 10 years. He’s entering his ninth year this season. His counting stats now fall short but with two more full seasons of vintage DeGrom, he’ll have a good case even if he falls short of 100 career wins.
I’m not familiar with this type of injury, but from what I’m reading, it sounds like it’s manageable so we can expect more vintage deGrom.
I was checking out some old time HOF pitchers and noted a couple of things. First, if deGrom gets in his ten years, his peak years would have been so dominate, he could make a HOF case along the lines of Sandy Koufax. Second, if deGrom can have two more solid years with 30’ish starts, his career starts will be equal to Bob Gibsons career complete games (198 GS vs 255 CG)… my how times have changed.
I agree Angels, but I question if we see vintage deGrom again. It just really reminds me of other dominant pitchers who fell apart quickly. If deGrom has just 1 more excellent season, I see him as a HoF candidate. If this is it, then it’s sadly debatable.
“I’m not familiar with this type of injury, but from what I’m reading, it sounds like it’s manageable so we can expect more vintage deGrom.”
Seems it depends on how serious the injury is and how seriously it’s treated
This type of injury is unbelievably rare. I know of only 5 other guys who had it. Of them, 2 never came back, 1 had issues with it the rest of his career. The two most recent cases are split as far as post injury results, but post injury Michael Wacha is not like what pre injury Wacha showed, and Matt Harvey is a, let’s say, difficult case to guage
We don’t know how deGrom will fair yet, but the past is not too comforting from what I see.
Matt Harvey had thoracic outlet surgery. This isn’t that.
In June 2017, Harvey had this issue
Harvey out several weeks with shoulder injury
June 15th, 2017
NEW YORK — For the first time this season, Matt Harvey admitted publicly on Wednesday that he was worried about his right arm. It turned out that his concerns were well-founded. Testing at Manhattan’s Hospital for Special Surgery on Thursday revealed that Harvey has a stress injury to the scapula bone in his right shoulder. The Mets expect him “to miss several weeks.”
He missed 2.5 months and had a 9.18 era over his remaining mere 14 games with the Mets after recovery
Right, he needed thoracic outlet surgery. deGrom doesn’t. If deGrom does need thoracic outlet surgery, I’ll be a lot more concerned.
I’m really puzzled as to why you’re so dead set on saying easily disproven things
Harvey had thoracic outlet surgery (which is a rib issue) in July 2016
He came back from it and had a 5.25 ERA in 16 games until mid June 2017, when he suffered the same injury deGrom now has
Harvey came back from that scapula bone stress (which is a shoulder issue) and threw 14 games of a 9.18 ERA before the Mets gave up on him
It wasn’t the TOS that ended Harveys time in New York, it was the Scapula
You clearly didn’t watch Harvey after the TOS. I get it, his stats got even worse after he got hurt again. That’s no reason for me to be concerned.
Yes, I did.
He came back from TOS not great but at least usable, we all saw that
Then he suffered a scapula bone issue and was literally unusable upon return – an issue which resulted in the Mets shipping him off
Right. TOS plus the injury deGrom has = bad. Luckily, that’s not the situation.
If you watched Harvey pitch after TOS and think he was at all comparable to the pitcher he was before, we occupy different realities and don’t need to agree.
All you’ve really done here is make things up or try to change reality to feel better
Reality is
Kurt Ainsworth – never came back
Edwin Correa – never came back
Brandon McCarthy – came back with a normal for him ERA, but off a recovery time of 10 months. His scapula stayed a recurring issue his whole career as well
Michael Wacha – had a career 2.79 era prior to the injury. Was out 2.5 months and had a 5.40 ERA the rest of that season
Matt Harvey – had a 4.85 ERA pre-TOS, 5.25 post-TOS. Missed 2.5 months with this injury and had a 11.28 ERA the rest of that season
So deGrom is almost certainly out at least 2.5 months, maybe longer (maybe forever) and is probably going to have a high-4/low-5 ERA (or worse) when he comes back (if he can even come back. He’ll have to change his motion a bit, and who knows what stress that will put on the rest of his already an issue arm)
That is what history says is likely for him this season, and it doesn’t change just because you try to make things up to feel better
Yup, 2 different realities.
Maybe he should rethink that opt out
If you can’t admit that the thought of this didn’t give you a chuckle at the expense of MetsFart22 then you’re no one I’d ever want to have a beer with
Getting amusement at the expense of others is no way to go through life, son.
That’s it. They are now the Rochester Rabbits. This is NOT up for debate.
These are starting to look like the Mets I know.
uh oh….here we go again. Mets are cursed
Off-season training is probably a big part of the problem with today’s pitchers. They need to shut it down completely during the off-season. IMO. I mean, lift nothing heavier than a cup of coffee shut down. Baseball is a LONG season. Let the body recover.
That is close to the philosophy Scioscia installed in the Angels organization the last decade plus – don’t exert yourself until in game situations
It has led to a team that has notoriously battled endless usage injuries (pulls, strains, tears, etc) across the board, and can’t keep pitchers healthy especially
The Mets are the team with the closest injury issues to the Angels over recent seasons, and it’s worth wondering if they might have a similar mindset. That’s to say, the issue may just be the exact opposite of what you put forward
If he was a horse they would have shot him by now
And if you weren’t a human you’d be shot by now.
Really does suck though.
But it’s America and freedom of speech so you can say your comment and I can say mine. Hid what a beautiful country .
Call the A’s about Manae for JD Davis, Szapucki and a prospect, the Mets can use a Lefty starter plus it’s saves the A’s $$ isn’t that what it’s all about for the A’s, saving $$.
This guy will never be healthy a full season again…. Sad
Jake just needs to rest up and return healthy. That trade for Bassit becomes all the more clutch now.
Uh oh spaghetti oh
I hate to see stuff like this with such great players.