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Padres Notes: Clevinger, Abrams, Paddack, Weathers

By Mark Polishuk | April 3, 2022 at 8:02pm CDT

Mike Clevinger is battling soreness in his right knee and is expected to begin the season on the 10-day injured list, Padres manager Bob Melvin told reporters (including Kevin Acee of The San Diego Union-Tribune).  Clevinger has made only one appearance this spring, and lasted only 1 2/3 innings.

The IL placement “allows us to kind of smooth things out and slow it down some,” Melvin said.  “We don’t feel like it’s a significant thing, but it actually might be a little bit of a blessing because it did feel like we were kind of rushing him a little bit.”

It has already been a lengthy absence from a big league mound for Clevinger, who underwent Tommy John surgery in November 2020 and subsequently missed all of last season.  The Padres were already planning to ease him back into action on limited innings, pairing Clevinger with another pitcher in piggyback fashion.  It seems likely that the team might still pursue this strategy when Clevinger does return, though the extra recovery time could allow Clevinger to start a bit deeper into games.

San Diego has enough of a pitching surplus to withstand Clevinger’s absence, particularly after Sean Manaea was acquired from the A’s earlier today.  However, rumors continue to swirl about the possibility that the Friars could trade from their pitching depth to facilitate another deal, and the Padres reportedly came close on a four-player swap with the Mets yesterday that would’ve seen Eric Hosmer, Chris Paddack, and Emilio Pagan all sent to New York for Dominic Smith.

That trade would’ve been largely about getting luxury tax relief from Hosmer’s contract, though the Padres have also pursued other big-ticket moves to add talent.  San Diego has long been rumored to have interest in the Pirates’ Bryan Reynolds, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports that the Padres offered two arms in Paddack and Ryan Weathers in exchange for the All-Star outfielder.  That wasn’t enough for the Pirates, as talks were scuttled when Pittsburgh additionally wanted top prospect C.J. Abrams added to the trade package.

While Padres president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has been willing to deal notable prospects in the past, he has mostly resisted trading any of the true upper-tier names from his farm system.  As a consensus top-15 prospect in baseball, Abrams fits that billing, even coming off an injury-shortened 2021 season.  The Pirates are known to be seeking a major return in exchange for Reynolds, so while Abrams is a justifiable ask for a player of Reynolds’ proven ability, it remains to be seen if the Padres (or any team) would be willing to trade away a blue-chip minor league talent.

In fact, the door remains open on Abrams contributing to the Padres’ own big league roster as early as Opening Day.  Abrams has been hitting well this spring, and with Fernando Tatis Jr. set to miss as much as the first three months of the season, there is a vacancy at Abrams’ natural shortstop position.  Abrams has also been playing at second base, and Melvin has suggested that he could get some reps in the outfield as well, acting as some center field depth behind Trent Grisham.

It would be an aggressive promotion considering that Abrams has only played 42 games of Double-A ball, and has never played at Triple-A.  That said, the Padres didn’t shy away from putting Tatis on their Opening Day roster in 2019, and that was even before the new Collective Bargaining Agreement introduced the “Prospect Promotion Incentive,” which allows teams to potentially gain an extra draft pick if a top prospect spends an entire season on the active roster and has a high finish in awards balloting.

Returning to the pitching rumor mill, Paddack drew some attention from New York’s other team last month, when the Yankees and Padres were discussing Luke Voit in trade talks.  SNY’s Andy Martino reports that the Yankees initially wanted Paddack in return for Voit, before finally settling on a less-experienced hurler in prospect Justin Lange.

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  1. Deleted Userr

    3 years ago

    Every day that goes by is a day that the Clevinger trade looks worse.

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    • darkstar61

      3 years ago

      Clevinger, 4 starts over 1.5 years and counting

      Kluber, 1 inning pitched under remainder of control traded

      Carrasco, just 12 starts with a 6.00+ ERA so far, and not looking great in spring

      Bauer, pitched to a 6.39 the rest of 2019 in Cincinnati, but then did infamously use stickum to win the 20 Cy

      Caution: anyone looking to deal for a Cleveland starter, clearly

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      • tstats

        3 years ago

        To be fair… Bauer pitched through an ankle injury iirc but yeah the point is there

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      • Cap & Crunch

        3 years ago

        I wouldn’t say caution more just tip my hat to Cle’s org for making the right calls when they knew the press would assault them next day

        Bauer was rightfully traded on attitude, he’s been good and durable when {able}

        Kluber- I mean he got hit on a comebacker for half the downtime

        And ofc Cle doesn’t spend and has a stable of arms so it was always easier for them to send these arms outta town moreso than a mid- top level spending team ever could justifiably do

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    • Ha-Seong Kim

      3 years ago

      As far as arias and maybe cantillo who knows, Naylor and Quantrill would not be on this padres team though. They have better pieces.

      If clevs arm flares up I wouldn’t mind the padres using both him and lamet as late innings guys. Would be fun to watch and strengthen that pen with the new SP depth.

      Could even still deal paddack for a guy like Haniger

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        “Naylor and Quantrill would not be on this padres team though. They have better pieces.”

        LOL!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Where would Naylor play?

          We’re would cal slot in the new rotation?

          I’ll be waiting a while harambe…

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          1st base or DH

          The Padres also had a “logjam” in the rotation to start 2021 and ended up doing bullpen days before the end of April. There would have been room for Quantrill. Without that trade maybe they aren’t forced to trade for Manaea and get to take their chances on Euribiel Angeles or trade him to fill a different need.

          31 minutes may be a while, but not a long while…

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Josh Naylor has a career OPS+ of 87, marginal MLer at best. I’d rather have Hosmer (OPS+ 104 last year – his worst year ever)

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          My memory’s a little bad Brew88. How much more $ is Hosmer making than Naylor? And how much older is he?

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Discount marginal players are only of interest to cheap owners like Dolan of Cleveland

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          And nothing personal I’m just frustrated with mlbtr incessant perpetuation of same old dead narratives.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          And expensive marginal players like Hosmer are only of interest to A. J. Preller.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Sure let’s talk about Hosmer some more…

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        disagree, Q is a very good swing-man at worst. he would be useful to the Pads.

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Quantrill had stretches of good showings in SD, like he’s had in CLe. Never been able to put together a full season of that play though. I’d slot him below Martinez/manaea but above paddack

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      • Ma4170

        3 years ago

        They could get better than paddack for haniger

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Btv has paddack at 18 and Haniger at 10.

          If that’s not what the mariners want, that’s fine shop paddack elsewhere but still acquire Haniger

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      • AgentF

        3 years ago

        There’s a name who has been faded by pretty much everyone. I always thought Cantillo would be legit. I understand that he’s been out injured and missed a lot of time, but still interested to see how he performs this year.

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    • Brew88

      3 years ago

      You’ve said the same thing in every post, but Cleveland is a mess

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      • CKinSTL

        3 years ago

        “Cleveland is a mess” seems dramatic.. I get it, people are upset with the payroll. They keep putting quality teams on the field though.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          I feel for the hugely talented players running through there, they can’t compete though if Ownership won’t invest.

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          Wtf are you talking about Cleveland can’t compete? Cleveland has been a contender for nearly a decade, with a shoestring budget. The simpletons like brew88 need to figure out spending doesn’t equal winning. It’s not up for debate it’s just wrong.

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        I’ll stop saying it when Padres fans stop defending the trade. Deal?

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Okay but I don’t see a Padre fan defending the trade as 1st post here so arguing with self?

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        • Padres2019ha

          3 years ago

          His name is 5 second Reyna. He’s on repeat

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Anyone here drunk enough to understand what this guy/gal is saying? I’m not.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          See the comments by Ha-Seong Kim

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  2. angryyankeesfan

    3 years ago

    I feel like the Yankees should have thrown in a prospect with Voit to get Paddack.

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  3. jakec77

    3 years ago

    Still waiting for another shoe to drop. I have to think the Padres have another move coming.

    Although I suppose the plan could just be to wait until Clevinginer is ready and then move a SP for an OF.

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  4. Cap & Crunch

    3 years ago

    You can’t say Sd isn’t fun for the viewer

    I Imagine the Met’s tried to pick a little more off the bone in the Hosmer deal as they should….but if money isn’t a thing to Cohen taking on Hosmer + perks should have continued interest…times on their side, can still get a good deal midseason with the covet of more info

    Really think this is the route teams like Det or Tex should have taken earlier with their available cap … AJ’s vulnerable, the amount owed after this year to Hos gets overstated, a team not trying to tow the CBT won’t be burdened as Sd will thus creating more potential profit room

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    • NewYorkSoxFan

      3 years ago

      Hosmer and Perks would be a hell of a combo for Cohen to take on

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    • jakec77

      3 years ago

      If Joel Sherman’s sources are correct, Cohen does seem to have a limit- he doesn’t want to have to have the first $300 million payroll.

      Or, at least he is reluctant enough that they aren’t doing it unless they really are excited about who they are adding.

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  5. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    3 years ago

    The Padres need to get that Reynolds deal done. Wonder if Campusano instead of Abrams would do anything for the Pirates. Maybe throw in a AA prospect outside the top 10 to sweeten the pot.

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      Why would the Pirates want Campusano when they just drafted a catcher at 1/1????

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      • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

        3 years ago

        Because most likely, it’ll be a 3-4yr wait on him..then Campusano can DH, catch part time, play some 1b..etc.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          They aren’t going to contend during these 3 years anyway and can sign a stopgap catcher in FA for something like $4m. They don’t need Campusano.

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        • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

          3 years ago

          Or pay less for Campusano..plus give the fans some reason to watch..

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        • mlb1225

          3 years ago

          Pirates will definitley be competitive within the next 3 years. They should be competitive in 2023. Unless a team comes knocking, willing to give up at least 2 top 50 prospects, then Reynolds isn’t going anywhere. They wanted the Marlins’ top 3 prospects and the Mariners’ top 2 prospects.

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        • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

          3 years ago

          Campusano and Weathers were both top 50 before Weathers got promoted..add in Paddack, and a AA flyer, and it seems like we should be about there.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          1. It’s not paying less when you consider the trade capital that Campusano will cost them.
          2. Who the Hell cares about “Giving the fans some reason to watch?”

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        • sensiblepiratesfan

          3 years ago

          That is what all these people don’t understand. The pirates don’t have to trade Reynolds. They have 4 years of control left He isn’t going anywhere any time soon unless the Pirates want him to.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Pirates would be better off going for Gore or Hassell. They aren’t getting Campusano without taking less elsewhere. No reason for them to do that for another catcher.

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        • Simm

          3 years ago

          If they are looking long term the pirates should have interest in padres short stop Jackson Merrill. 18 years old in camp this year looked very good. He would be more on the time frame of the pirates catcher. By next season I think he will shoot up the charts.

          Perhaps him and hassell as the main pieces.

          Just depends on when the pirates brass think they will want to compete.

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        • RunDMC

          3 years ago

          There’s no way SD is getting Reynolds without including one of Abrams, Gore or Hassell III. Not familiar with their farm, but Reynolds seems to make an OF A-level (Hassell) less necessary…and Abrams looks like he’s a man possessed in ST (read: untouchable), not unlike Gore.

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        • mlb1225

          3 years ago

          Gore would almost have to be a third player involved in any package involving Reynolds. If MLBTR is right about the Padres considering the Pirates ask for Reynolds as “prohibitive,” then they must have asked about both Abrams and Hassell. They consulted the Mariners about Marte and J-Rod. Why wouldn’t they ask about Abrams and Hassell?

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        • I speak the truth

          3 years ago

          Why not just let the fans watch Reynolds? Padre fans, same with all the other teams linked to Reynolds, need to understand.
          1. The Pirates don’t need to trade Reynolds.
          2. If they do trade him it will be for a load of prospects. With at least 2 top prospects and then a couple lottery tickets added in.
          3. Your 6th best prospect or two underachieving pitchers (Paddock and Weathers) isn’t cutting it. Not for an All-Star CF in his prime with four years of control at a cheap rate(especially considering his production).
          4. The Pirates have ever right to ask for both Abrams and Gore plus more. The hope is Abrams can one day be as good as Reynolds. Will he? That’s an unknown. The others are the cost for the Pirates taking that risk.
          5. Why don’t the Padres just sign Conforto for $100 and not give up prospects?

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        • Cap & Crunch

          3 years ago

          Scratch Paddack, Gore makes more sense on the timeline

          Gore Weathers Hasseell gets the deal done

          If that’s a No Go there’s 10+ teams that will offer better for a young controllable CF these days

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        • Javia135

          3 years ago

          That isn’t happening, which is why the trade didn’t happen.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Yeah! If they are concerned about “giving the fans someone to root for” or whatever they’re better off just keeping Reynolds.

          That’s still the worst excuse I’ve ever heard for trading for a guy you don’t need ever.

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        • beersy

          3 years ago

          If that is who the Pirates are asking for, then they better contact those other 10+ teams.

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        • I speak the truth

          3 years ago

          The Pirates aren’t contacting anyone. They aren’t trying to trading Reynolds. It’s the Padres who called. Just sign Conforto for $100 Million and your outfield problem is solved. Well, you’d at least have a somewhat comparable bat, who’s not a switch hitter, who’s older, not as good of a center fielder, cost way more and blow you past the luxury tax. Or meet the Pirates asking price.

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        • Javia135

          3 years ago

          The Padres don’t need a CF, they need a LF. That is a much easier need to fill. I’m sure that a player like Austin Meadows would be quite a bit cheaper than Reynolds.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Cant believe we’re still talking about this non story.There is no deal between SD and Pirates, it’s an old rumor and most teams are “interested in Reynolds” but Pitt would say no to Trout and Ohtani offer

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          @ speak truth. Your point #1 is all that needs to be said. The trade rumors with Reynolds are exaggerated and have little basis in reality, but mlbtr sure tries to keep the buzz on

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        • Vegasnightlife

          3 years ago

          @mlb By the time 3 years are up, the Pirates would be on their third rebuild with a new cast of good affordable prospects to trade to the highest bidder.

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        • Kennyb217

          3 years ago

          Of Davis takes 3-4 years to reach MLB then that’s probably not a good sign for his development. Even being a catcher, he should be up in 2024 at some point.

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        • 3Rivers

          3 years ago

          @mlb1225 2024 at earliest, DEFINITELY NOT 2023. #1 not enough pitching
          #2 IF the young position players can produce at the big club. IF keyword.

          Please explain how they’d be competitive in 2023. Listen, id almost give an ear or a finger for this to come true, but I don’t see it. 2024 is even a stretch, unfortunately.

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    • YourDreamGM

      3 years ago

      I have questions about all the Padres top prospects. Think it would take mutiple ones. Pirates have a catcher this year and not contending. At most they will need someone for 2023. They might take him but Hassell or Gore might go with him. Paddock Weathers at the very least.

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      • Ma4170

        3 years ago

        Exactly… it’s not as if SD’s top prospects over the past several years have panned out other than tatis… and Urias somewhat once he went to a hitters haven

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Bro aren’t you a mariners fan?

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          A mariners fan w questions about padres prospects? Seems a bit odd if you ask me

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        • SportsFan0000

          3 years ago

          Padres prospects traded have replemished farm systems in Tampa, Cleveland, Seattle and much more. Padres pitching is in rotations around the league including Cleveland and Tampa. Padres position players are also doing well around the league in their new homes.
          You just have not been paying attention.
          Guardians Rotation Cal Quintrell, Logan Allen(Padres)
          Franmil Reyes is the Guardians slugging DH(Padres)
          Pirates surging Farm system has at least a dozen former Padres farm hands.
          Seattle has their starting 1B and many other former Padres players and farm hands
          Tampa has loaded up on top, young Padres players and prospects
          at least one is in their rotation Luis Patino, Francisco Meija is their backup catcher, Manual Margot is their RF all former Padres.
          Padres have been overly generous in building up other teams and their farm systems in trades.

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        Not one of the 8 teams that have made offers for Reynolds that were far enough along for this website to have an article about it since mid 2021 have offered their top prospects. All the offers have been similar to the Padres offer.

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    • worthington

      3 years ago

      They would need Hassell.

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    • Ha-Seong Kim

      3 years ago

      Preller would be absolutely stupid to deal for Reynolds should be fired if he does. Pirates over asking. Not saying Reynolds isn’t the real deal but not at that price and with the slight risk he inherently comes with.

      Save the prospects and deal Paddack to a needy SP team for a real bat, even if there’s only one year left on that players deal

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      • wallabeechamp

        3 years ago

        In order for Paddack to bring back ‘a real bat’ he’d have to be a real pitcher. Seems like you’d make about as good of a GM as you do a SS, Ha-Seong

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Wallabeechamp.

          Remind me to laugh when your team overpays for paddack

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  6. Timothy Frith

    3 years ago

    On Wednesday, the Mets will trade J.D. Davis, Dominic Smith, prospects Ronny Mauricio and Joander Suarez and the 14th pick in the 2022 MLB Draft to the Brewers for Josh Hader and Kolten Wong, trade Thomas Szapucki and prospects Mark Vientos and Khalil Lee to the Nationals for Juan Soto and pitching prospect Andry Lara, sign Tony Watson to a 2-year deal with a club option for 2024, sign Pete Alonso and Edwin Diaz to long-term deals, name Robinson Cano their DH and name Luis Guillorme, James McCann, Jeff McNeil and Brandon Nimmo their bench players.

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    • Ha-Seong Kim

      3 years ago

      That’s a ton to get done in one day skip

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    • rhswanzey

      3 years ago

      Wow, do you really think Washington will have such a steep ask for Soto?

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        Probably not

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      • Gwynning

        3 years ago

        But it’s Szapucki, Vientos AND Khalil Lee for the best hitter on Earth plus Lara, how could the Nats refuse this spectacular haul?

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      • Brew88

        3 years ago

        They might if it’s Lara Dutta

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  7. Ha-Seong Kim

    3 years ago

    What the padres really need is not Reynolds, it’s Mitch Haniger

    Cheaper prospect-wise and more pop baby chicks dig the long ball

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    • Simm

      3 years ago

      Yeah I dig this move.

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        I been saying this too long one year deal who cares send them paddack

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    • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

      3 years ago

      I’d love to get Haniger. It’d take more than Paddack though.

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        Haniger has one year left, paddack 3.

        Baseball values isn’t always ideal but they have paddack (worth “18”) valued almost twice as much as Haniger (worth “10)

        Plus the Ms have kelenic, Rodriguez, Lewis, trammel, winker

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          3 years ago

          I see what you are doing with their “trade values.” But just because a deal works on BBTV, it still has to pass the common sense test too. Ya know?

          Haniger is not only an All Star caliber player, he’s one of those “heart & soul” guys on their squad. Dude’s tough as hell & was their lone bright spot for a couple seasons. He’s kind of in that Freddie Freeman role for them.

          & at this point, Paddock is unproven. Maybe he has some growth left. Maybe he’s actually a 5.00+ ERA pitcher though instead. Which is what he has shown to this point.

          You’re definitely trying to make a reasonable trade proposal. Which I get. But all those MiLB outfielders are still all unknowns themselves. Mariners are trying to win too, man. That deal doesn’t really help them do that.

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          6 years of Weathers is just too much for one year of Haniger as great as he is, imo

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          @ducky I’d think the padres and Ms could hammer something out for Lewis/Haniger though involving some pitching

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          3 years ago

          Maybe.

          Mariners let Kikuchi walk. So I think they are content with their starters. I just don’t see as strong of a motivation to trade Lewis or Hainger as you seem to. I’ve been wrong a whole bunch of times on here, so – of course – there’s that.

          Couple pretty ballsy GM’s though. Neither Dipito not Preller is all that shy about making trades. & they have traded together before. I do think if something like that came to fruition SD would probably have to overpay pretty significantly, though. Which comes back to me questioning their motivation.

          So I’m now back where I started.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Just like Manaea, while we’re all talking mlbtr narratives (Mets, Hosmer, Padres, Cubs, Reynolds, Mariners, Paddack chat, yardages yardage yaddda, Preller is secretly plotting a very different fleecing of another team…

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      • Ma4170

        3 years ago

        Agreed, paddack is… not good
        Haniger, when healthy, is very good

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          Ma4170

          Mariners are going to need to deal an Of if all those guys are healthy

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          Last 3 seasons

          Paddack – 60 GS (of 76) – 4.21 ERA/4.10 FIP (League Average 4.46 ERA/4.45 FIP)

          Haniger – 219 GS (of 386) – 118 OPS+/114 wRC+ (League average 100),

          Paddack has been an above average starter in the majors.

          Haniger has been 14-18% above average hitter and average player overall because of well below league average defense.

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  8. Herc33

    3 years ago

    If the Padres can trade Hosmer (huge if obviously since they haven’t been able to after trying for a while) they should go with Kim at SS, Abrams at 2B and Crone at 1B. Kinda too late for Abrams to get OF reps with the season just a couple days away.

    Either that or send him to AAA to learn to play outfield and call him up in the second half. He’s close enough, they might as well keep him and the pitching instead of trading him for OF help.

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    • Brew88

      3 years ago

      Abrams is untouchable, and a likely 2022 ROY recipient.

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  9. hoof hearted

    3 years ago

    What a steal from the A’s. I’d figure at least 2 real good prospect that would get a mlb opportunity.

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  10. Ha-Seong Kim

    3 years ago

    WE DONT WANT REYNOLDS WE WANT MITCH HANIGER

    And to keep our top 5

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    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      Seattle is trying to win this season. why would they deal Haniger?

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        Julio Rodriguez, Kyle Lewis, Taylor Trammel, Jared Kelenic, Jesse winker. There’s 5 reasons.

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          they may need/want another SP maybe if brash isn’t ready, like paddack. There’s 6 reasons

          Would you like me to think of any more reasons?

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        • Led Hoyer

          3 years ago

          That’s a lot of unknowns to be banking on for Seattle.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          Has Trammel cracked BA .180 yet?

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        • SportsFan0000

          3 years ago

          Taylor Trammel another Padres farm hand given away by Preller.
          (after he traded 3-4 guys for Trammel, then he traded Trammel and 3-4 guys for a backup veteran catcher and a few throw ins.?!?!?

          Preller is a fantasy baseball league guy just cycling players around the league,

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    • Cap & Crunch

      3 years ago

      Haniger is their leader …he’s not moving unless they are 12 games back at the break

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        Or Kyle Lewis. Point is Ms will have too many OFs soon

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        • Cap & Crunch

          3 years ago

          A lot of time “SOON” never comes in the MLB

          Name a team so straddled with young talent it’s had to block a young player?

          The Mariners have time on thier sides, they will make a consolidation move or 2 at the mid season mark with more intel but there’s no Urgency over there right now

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        • Ha-Seong Kim

          3 years ago

          If their SP need becomes greater than their OF need before the break I guarantee a deal gets done well before

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  11. Rsox

    3 years ago

    I wonder with all the hype around Reynolds if he was traded to a big market contender would he continue to rake or would the wheels come off due to the pressure

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    • Ha-Seong Kim

      3 years ago

      I think the wheels would come off

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      • Brew88

        3 years ago

        Nah, he’s been very good and likely to get better

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  12. Brew88

    3 years ago

    Yet another article from mlbtr about nothing

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      Sorry that this FREE website wasn’t up to your standards

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      • Brew88

        3 years ago

        Most of the articles are informative but this one doesn’t offer any news or even a rumor, it’s just a diatribe of old dead rumors. Problem is I worked late and haven’t had a beer yet

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  13. OldSaltUSNR

    3 years ago

    I get a kick at fans overvaluing their own team’s players, and undervaluing others. Some seem to hate on the Padres because Preller built up a farm system of so many high level prospects, and the Padres owner is willing to spend more money that many other MLB owners. You folks are just funny as heck, at times. But, it’s a good banter, anyhow.

    Paddack: Highly talented, 3 pitches, inconsistent, injury history, and yes, unproven. However, still young with tons of potential upside.

    Hosmer: Underachieving, overpaid, but not worth zero, as many imply. His contract issues are more about the Padres overall salary and lux tax (which costs both $$ and prospects), than about HIS money. 2022 is the last painful year. $13M per year for a veteran MLB position player is not Manny or Tatis money. The Padres would rather just keep Hosmer, than ship out the farm PLUS pay his future salary.

    CJ Abrams: As near a sure thing, as there is with prospects. He’s also 21 years old, and controllable. What’s Reynolds cost a team at age 27, and how many remaining years of control does he have, versus Abrams? Fans asking (no, DEMANDING!) to give up Abrams for Reynolds are not focused on the value of the trade. The Pirates insisting on Abrams kills the deal. It’s their way of saying “No thanks”. That’s fine, but negotiating in bad faith doesn’t build much good will for future negotiates, does it?

    Hassell: See Abrams, Tatis. He’s a 5-tool CF proceeding on their development track, arrival as early as 2023.

    Gore: When fans demand 23 year old Gore in a trade for a 27 year old position player, they forgot the value of a TOR starting pitcher. Yep, Gore’s star is certainly tarnished. However, NO team in their right mind would ignore what Covid did to ALL prospect development. Gore has too much upside. NO WAY does ANY team trade a blue chip starting pitching prospect for a 27 year old OF.

    Campusano: Just like with the other Padres top prospects, Campu has consistently developed, with no real hick ups anywhere along the way. He plays a premium position. How many teams trade guys like that?

    Weathers: I read where one fan said “Weathers had a horrible rookie year.” Well, yes and no. He was terrific for about four months, and then, having never thrown more than maybe 75 innings in a year, he broke down, and rather spectacularly, too. In fact, no matter how he was feeling physically, no matter how much trouble he ran into later in the season, with nearly every Padres starting pitcher injured for most of the year, he kept going to the mound, he kept stepping up. No, it wasn’t a horrible year. It was a tough year. It was a learning year. He’s still a starting pitcher (not reliever) with high upside.

    Three years ago, these same fans were demanding Tatis in any trade with the Padres. Well, that didn’t happen, did it? You can dream all you want about deals for these top 4 Padres prospects, but it’s never happening. True, no player or prospect is totally untouchable, it’s just that no team can afford to offer the package it would require to obtain these “blue chip” players (and the same applies to every teams blue chip prospects). Yet, these fans will spin this stuff out, cursing Preller, or maybe their own GM for considering a trade with the Padres, because he didn’t DEMAND a Padres top prospect in exchange “for any trade”. That’s just not how baseball works. That’s just not how trade valuations work.

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      The real issue with Hosmer is that he just sucks. He wouldn’t get a major league contract if he were a free agent this offseason.

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      • Brew88

        3 years ago

        And yet, huh, he’s better than Josh Naylor

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Meh. I don’t think so.

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        • Brew88

          3 years ago

          I’m not a Hos fan, but drop my ego to confess Naylor stats no where close. Maybe some day Naylor puts it together, who knows.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Naylor could retire tomorrow and he’d still provide more value to the Guardians than Hosmer will over the entire duration of that contract.

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      • Ha-Seong Kim

        3 years ago

        I’m one of the few padres fans that still ride w hoz. The game has ups and downs. Should he handle them better? Perhaps… but fact is he’s a big leaguer w a championship ring that’s capable of being a slightly above average player. Last year after trade rumors swirled he wasn’t happy and played poorly. Hopefully that lights a fire in him this year.

        Hope Melvin can bring out the best in Hosmer and that he bounces back to rake after seemingly nearly every SD fan has called for his head.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Who cares if he has a WS ring? Dan Uggla has a WS ring because he spent 4 games with the Giants in 2014 (in which he went 0 for 11 and committed 2 errors).

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      • wtylerw

        3 years ago

        all youre hate for hosmer ignores the fact that he still hits rhp at a well above average clip – as he has done his entire career. his power has been pathetic but a handful more HRs and his value shoots up based on modern regression metrics. i think the padres knew he would transition into a role player later on – just happened a little sooner than they budgeted for (just 1 year of big money left). there were months last year this guy led the team.

        the thing im excited about is between Nola, Voit, Alfaro, and Kim – Hosmer will not be facing any lhp.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          your*

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    • CentralPABuccos

      3 years ago

      For Reynolds (4yrs control) to be dealt it would take Hassel LF (’23-24), Gore #2 SP(’22-23), Mears RF (’23-24), & Hayes #3 SP (’24-25). This would be a very similar trade as Yelich to Brewers. The reason the Pirate’s wouldn’t want Paddack & Weathers headlining, team control on both is 4yrs & both still have developmental issues as #3/4 SP. Pirates won’t be ready til ’23-24 to compete.

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        @central Put down the crack pipe. The Pirates will never be ready to compete as long as Nutter Butter is the owner.

        Reynolds is a great player and deserves to get out of that organization. #freebryanreynolds

        The reason the Padres would not offer Hassel or Gore in a trade for Reynolds is ironically explained by the Yelich trade. It is also why the Marlins would not offer either Meyer or Bleday for Reynolds.

        At the time of the trade from the Marlins, Yelich was on a very affordable deal (7/49+option) that locked him in through 2022. The Brewers had cost certainty. They were getting 5 years of Yelich starting at age 26 for $48 million with a possibility of a 6th year at $13.75 million. ALL of his prime age 26-30 years were locked in terms of cost to the team.

        Reynolds, who is 27 now, will make $4.9 million in his first year of arbitration and has said that he will go year to year for the next 3 years of arbitration eligibility. No one knows exactly what Reynolds will make over his 4 years of arbitration, but next season he will easily top $10 million and his final year will be $25 million (or more) according to this website’s formula. The Pirates or the team that trades for him will have no cost certainty and will pay $55-60+ million for 4 years of a guy that has said he won’t sign an extension. A guy that will be going into his age 31 season when he hits free agency.

        That cost uncertainty and relatively high cost is why no team is offering their top prospects. If they want to trade him, the Pirates are going to either have to take on some salaries to get top prospects or take players like Weathers and Paddack.

        Now lets look at the prospects involved. At the time of the trade Brinson graded out at a 55FV. Harrison graded out as a 50FV. Neither of the others were above 45.

        Abrams grades out at a 60FV on MLB and 65 on BA. Hassel grades out as a 55FV on both. Gore grades out at a 55FV and Mayo said that if he had the luxury of seeing him in spring training before giving a grade it would have been a 60FV or higher.

        3 of the 4 Padres prospects you mentioned are better than the best prospect the Marlins got for the cost controlled Yelich.

        Hope that breaks it down for you.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          3 years ago

          Where exactly did Reynolds say he was going to go year-by-year in arb? And why does it matter? The dude is like a million years away from free agency. Heck, Paddack is closer to free agency than Reynolds is.

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        • Pads Fans

          3 years ago

          See the article by Craig Mish that talked about him turning down an extension in ST 2021. Read my comment again for the reason why it matters.

          No team has offered one top prospect for Reynolds, let alone two. Not one out of the 8 that have made it far enough along in trade talks to be mentioned on this website. All the offers for Reynolds since mid-2021 have reportedly been similar to the Padres offer.

          While Paddack is closer to FA than Reynolds, Weathers is not.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          3 years ago

          If you can quote it, you can link it.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          3 years ago

          You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you, not me. If I were to tell you that the Earth is flat or that 2 + 2 = 5, the burden of proof would be on me, not you.

          And if finding it on Google only took half a brain as you say it would not be hard for you to link it. Don’t be lazy.

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        Paddack has 3 years of control left. Weathers has 5. Although both have x.000 years of service time which means if you send them down for 3 weeks you can extend that by a year. And both have struggled enough that you could probably get away with sending them down.

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    • Bruin1012

      3 years ago

      Oldsaltusnr- I respect what you are saying you like your team and that is commendable but here’s a reality check for you Reynolds has 4 years of control left and let’s face it he has already done in the big leagues what you hope that Abrams and Hassell become. That’s just a fact he is a star centerfielder with 4 years of control those guys just don’t get traded and you think all your high end propects are off limits for him. That’s cool then Ben hangs up the phone you aren’t getting getting Reynolds for 4 years for anything less then Abrams plus or Hasell plus, plus, plus end of story and if you don’t won’t to pay the freight then that’s fine. The reality is players that have been as good as Reynolds with 4 years of control don’t get traded that’s a fact and if they do they get traded for very high end pieces period end of story.

      It seems that San Diego doesn’t want to pay the freight and that’s there right and it looks like Pittsburg isn’t going to budge if it’s high demands and they shouldn’t the ball is San Diego’s court to determine how bad they want Reynolds. If they aren’t willing to part with what Pitt wants then I’m sure Ben is completely fine with penciling in his all-star centerfielder for the rest of the season. Oh and guess what they will still have him for 3 more seasons after that so he will most likely lose very little value barring a complete falling apart because guess players the caliber of Reynolds don’t get traded when they have three years of control either and if he throws up another 6 war season he will probably be worth even more.

      So I get a kick out of teams that think they can get other teams stats with multiple years of control without giving up there top prospects. It goes both ways OldSalt.

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    • jtkuch

      3 years ago

      Funny how you made a comment about fans overvaluing their own team’s players, then went on to do exactly that.

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      • Windowpane

        3 years ago

        Yeah, he did.

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    • billysbballz

      3 years ago

      You do realize though if the Padres were to trade for Reynolds you would have to have a Gore and a Hassel in the trade if no Abrams plus a Paddock and Weathers. Why else would the pirates trade with the Padres. I don’t blame the Padres for saying no to that unless they feel this is the window to really go for it. I’m also a believer in holding onto building blocks for future this way the team never hits rock bottom and always has an infusion of high end talent moving up. I wouldn’t make that deal if I were the padres but that is exactly what the Pirates would demand. Unless there was a 3rd team involved somehow.

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      • Pads Fans

        3 years ago

        You do realize that no one has offered a top prospect for Reynolds at all,, right?

        The Marlins balked at offering either Meyer or Bleday for Reynolds this offseason and neither of them are as highly thought of as Abrams or Hassel.

        The Yankees (Volpe/Dominguez), Astros (Lee), Angels (Adell/Detmers), Braves (Pache/Waters), Brewers (Mitchell/Turang), and Mariners (JRod/Marte) all declined to offer their top prospects for Reynolds during the 2021 season.

        Why anyone thinks the Pirates will get a 3 or 4 for 1 trade for Reynolds that included two prospects as highly thought of as Abrams, Gore, or Hassel is beyond reason considering the fact that many teams have already refused to give up lesser prospects for him.

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        • Bruin1012

          3 years ago

          I agree Pads fan that they aren’t willing to trade the players that Pitt wants but it hasn’t been Ben out there shopping Reynolds around if it had been then this is a different story. The other teams are the ones looking to improve their outfield so they are contacting Ben and Ben is telling them what it’s going to take to trade a player he views as a cornerstone in the next Pirates contending team in a couple of years. It’s as simple as that Ben doesn’t want to trade him if someone is willing to overpay and he feels it’s in the best interest of the Pirates org. to do it. The Pirates absolutely will get 3 or 4 to 1 and top prospects if a trade is made because that is what they want to move a guy that they don’t won’t to move. So yes Pads Fan they probably won’t get what has bandied about but Ben has also made it Chrystal clear they aren’t looking to trade Reynolds.

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        • Bruin1012

          3 years ago

          The bottom line there is no chance that Reynolds is coming to the Pads. They simply won’t and probably shouldn’t pay the freight that Ben wants.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          3 years ago

          Exactly. With that much club control left the Pirates don’t have to trade Reynolds. If they do it right they can contend while he is still on the team even with no extension. And Reynolds is keeping quiet and doing his job rather than kicking up a fuss and being a clubhouse cancer about playing for a bad team so it isn’t a Nolan Arenado situation.

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        • Bruin1012

          3 years ago

          Oh and you do realize that when Miami came calling they said it starts with Meyer and Watson and goes from there. So they have been consistent blow us away or go away.

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    • 3Rivers

      3 years ago

      Their asking price can be as high as BC pleases. Ya think maybe he had a plan in place? He’s doing his job and he can’t be blamed. So you’re wrong with that point imo.

      I’ll go ahead and take his side vs the ‘OLD SALTY USNR’ on an online MLB forum.

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  14. Bruin1012

    3 years ago

    Oh and if Preller really offered Paddack and Westhers as the headliners in a deal for Reynolds then Ben should reply call me back when are serious because this is a joke.

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  15. Dogham

    3 years ago

    Watch Bryan Reynolds turn back into the 2020 Pumpkin hitting .196 with 0.5 WAR. Pirates and their fans are fools if they think the Mariners would consider Julio Rodriguez and Noelvi Marte for Reynolds.

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    • Bruin1012

      3 years ago

      I completely discount that year 2020 is an outlier you can’t judge either way on anyone in a 60 game season. In 2020 he hit to a .231 babip more then 100 points less then his entire pro career at any level. So I ask you do you think this was just a 60 game aberration or is he more likely the guy he was in 2019 or 2021 I know where my money is riding. Now with that being said I wouldn’t trade Jrod and Noelvi for him I wouldn’t trade Jrod straight up but it doesn’t surprise me that’s the ask. Remember the Mariners came to Ben and asked what it would take not the other way around there is a big difference.

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  16. joew

    3 years ago

    Yeah, Paddack and Weathers wouldn’t be near enough for a Reynolds. Two possible back end pitchers with iffy performance at upper levels.. yeah don’t think so. Wouldn’t mind having them as a support piece to a better head line though.

    Assuming that was the bulk of the deal adding an Abrams would have to be there.

    More so if the pirates happened to be taking on a good portion of salary. Both Hosmer and Myers make some sense coming back to Pittsburgh as place holders.

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      You can completely forget about Myers or Hosmer going back to Pitt in a Reynolds trade. He has enough trade value that the Pirates can reasonably ask for whatever they want without taking back a bad contract.

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      • joew

        3 years ago

        I agree, but could be a good stack of mid/lower 30 prospects (based on pipeline)

        I’d like to see a Keller, Gore Swap. Before spring neither had much success in the upper levels… a New eyes trade might make sense. Both did pretty well in spring though. Keller did kinda throw out a pooper yesterday though.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Rather succeed with my prospects than someone else’s.

          But more to the point, I’ll tell you what’s not happening. You are not simultaneously subtracting Eric Hosmer and adding Bryan Reynolds. It’s not happening. Ever.

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        • joew

          3 years ago

          Myers becomes ‘dead weight’ if they get Reynolds though so pulling Myers in the trade could clean out the rest of the Padres farm lol.

          Hosmer yeah the extra years on his deal make it more problematic. He may take the opt out though if he continues to have a serviceable OPS+.

          Happening almost assuredly not, but makes some sense from the pirates side if the Padres have many prospects they like.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          @joew Not a Myers fan but adding Reynolds doesn’t make anyone superfluous. The Padres have 3 outfielders on their 40-man roster. 40-man.

          I have a better chance of dating Ariana Grande than Hosmer has of opting out of his contract.

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        • joew

          3 years ago

          just play hard to get, might work out

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  17. Dr2022

    3 years ago

    Laughable. According to the media, the Yankees have interest in everyone. But from what I can see, the only pull the trigger on marginal players they can scrape out from under a rock

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