4:57PM: Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that talks may have stalled entirely after the two sides “hit a snag” in negotiations. Sherman is even more blunt, saying the proposed trade “is not going to happen.”
8:50 AM: A potential deal between the two sides would be a little more complex than initially presumed. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter), the Padres would unsurprisingly need to eat a fair amount of the money owed to Hosmer in order to make this deal work. Specifically, the Padres would cover roughly $30MM or more of Hosmer’s deal, bringing Hosmer’s per annum down to $6-7MM per year, per Sherman.
The Mets would also get reliever Emilio Pagan in the deal. Pagan has at times looked like a premier bullpen arm during his five seasons in the bigs with the Mariners, Rays, A’s, and Padres. The 30-year-old is an option to close games if he stays in San Diego, whereas in New York he would slot into a fairly deep collection of right-handed setup arms that includes Adam Ottavino, Drew Smith, Miguel Castro, Trevor May, and Seth Lugo.
7:55 AM: The Mets have spent the offseason pushing full-bore towards fielding a competitive squad, but the fragility of an offseason win became clear yesterday with the news of ace Jacob deGrom being shut down for the next four weeks. The panic alarm has sounded, but the Mets are not without solutions.
In fact, they just so happen to have been in conversation with the Padres for the past couple of weeks about different trade scenarios, at least one of which could bring another arm to New York to help plug the leak. Per The Athletic’s Dennis Lin, Ken Rosenthal, and others, a potential deal could center around Eric Hosmer and Chris Paddack heading to the Mets, while Dominic Smith would go to San Diego.
The Padres have been trying to move off of Hosmer’s money for quite some time now, and the freewheeling Mets may now have a big enough need in the rotation to consider taking him back. There’s some urgency for the Padres here, as Hosmer’s partial no-trade clause turns into full 10-and-5 rights at the end of this season. Of course, if he is traded, Hosmer’s contract has a clause that says he cannot be traded twice without his consent, so he will essentially get his no-trade clause by the end of the 2022 campaign regardless for whom he plays.
With $59MM over four years left on his deal, Hosmer does not have positive trade value – not after fWAR totals of 0.0, 0.9, -0.3, and -0.1 over the past four seasons. Entering his age-32 season, one doesn’t expect Hosmer to flourish overnight. Furthermore, the Mets absolutely have no need for him, not with Pete Alonso on the roster.
Acquiring Hosmer would mean pushing the Mets deeper into luxury tax territory with a payroll nearing $300MM, notes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Mets might be willing to take him if they can reinforce their rotation at the same time, however.
Enter Paddack. The 26-year-old has three years of team control remaining and significant upside. He’s far from a sure thing, however. His numbers declined for the third consecutive season last year when he finished with a 5.07 ERA across 108 1/3 innings. A slightly torn UCL might be the cause of the decline, but that’s not necessarily a situation that has totally resolved itself. Paddack would, therefore, be an option to slide into deGrom’s rotation spot, but he’s far from a panacea for the Mets’ long-term concerns.
In the short term, he might not even be an upgrade over Tylor Megill, the presumptive fifth starter in deGrom’s absence. Megill posted a 4.52 ERA/4.69 FIP over 18 starts covering 89 2/3 innings in 2021 – his first taste of big league action. The Mets could certainly begin the season with Megill in the rotation and see how things go from there.
For the Padres part, their motivation would mostly be to shed Hosmer’s contract. They have enough rotation depth, theoretically, to weather the loss of Paddack, and in Smith, they’d be getting back a comparable bat that’s cheaper, more versatile, and with more theoretical upside than Hosmer. He’s also under team control for two more seasons beyond 2022, though those seasons aren’t guaranteed, should he continue to struggle at the dish.
For the first part of his career, the story on Smith was that he needed at-bats, but his natural position of first base was spoken for, so his ceiling was no more than that of a bit player. Then the designated hitter came to the NL in 2020, Smith starting taking flyballs in left field, and the offensive promise came to fruition with a .316/.377/.616 line over 199 plate appearances during the shortened campaign.
He again saw fairly stable playing time in 2021, but the numbers cratered to an 86 wRC+ by way of a .244/.304/.363 line across 494 plate appearances , more than doubling his previous career-high in that regard. The Padres do need a left fielder, and Smith could step right in at first base were this deal to go down. Still, for San Diego, this deal is mostly about moving off of Hosmer. There are options out there for left field – including former Met Michael Conforto – but Smith would certainly be worth rostering if acquiring him meant removing Hosmer from the payroll.
This is a no-brainer for the Mets. Addresses their pitching depth question for no downside except for money. Cohen has already shown he doesn’t care about spending money.
I mean, it’s not a smart move. Lol. I suppose if money is never an issue, no brainer. But that’s a lot of money committed to a guy that has been terrible for a while now and can only play 2 positions (1B and DH). Paying him that much to sit the bench would be a nightmare. If I’m the Mets, I’d rather keep smith and find another trade partner to fill a rotation spot. Plus, I think CP is legit, but he’s been a bit brutal the last two years. So absorbing that much money for a guy who may struggle significantly and have a 5+ era is hard to take.
It would be a terrible move by the mets
I’m thinking it’s more the Mets doing their due diligence. Expect they will get another pitcher but not having to saddle themselves financially. Even if they can, why? They can use their chips elsewhere.
I’ve got to imagine that those are the MLB names being considered but there’s more to the deal including prospects from SD. Could also get a 3rd team involved too, especially an Oakland type that could send Manaea to NYM get Paddack and a prospect from SD plus maybe something from the Mets too.
Ironic that they were considering another dead contract (Cano) some time at 1B and this will be a mighty — hold my beer moment — bringing in Hosmer’s dead weight. And for Chris Paddack…?? Gore? Sure. This won’t end well.
zero chance in hell you’re getting gore, abrams or hassell. put down the crack pipe. if Preller is that dumb, that’s a fireable offense.
Dom smith has net zero trade value and that’s what he’s about to get back in this trade
Becomes less bad if Padres eat a bunch of money
Bad move by the Mets….Paddock hasn’t shown anything but inconsistency through the last 2 years with no reason to believe he’s figured anything out plus you let the Rock Star GM of the hook on a player he’s been trying to trade since signing him to a ridiculous contract based on his skill set…….the Mets would be better off playing with what they have and staying close enough to pounce on much better pitching once teams play enough games to realize they are out of it again and look to shed money for assets.
“Rock Star” GM equivalent…. Electric Light Overpay? Bad Company Contract?
At $6 or $7 million per annum, Hosmer would be a cheap DH option and have some value. Paddack has potential to bust out as a Pitcher.
I don’t think the Mets need another “cheap” DH “option” in Hosmer who the Padres have been falling over themselves trying to trade for at least the last 3-4 seasons….couldn’t the Padres afford a “cheap option at DH in Hosmer….no they don’t want him which is a big blinking RED light as far as this guy is concerned.
And as far as Paddack…whouda, couda shoulda….as a replacement for DeGrom he pales in comparison and hasn’t shown anything bu inconsistancy over the last 2+ seasons….5+ ERA…Please tell me there are better options as teams break camp.
3 or 4 years? You’re saying the Padres have been trying to trade Hosmer since the 1st year they signed him? Not likely Bub.
They haven’t, but they should have been. The only people who thought that Hosmer was worth signing were in the Padres org. Everyone else was saying what a stupid move it was. Now the hens have come home to roost. If the Mets get Paddack and he can find his groove again, for what is essentially some money, they will be very happy.
I’d guess that the Mets would just release Hosmer. He adds nothing, although I guess you could say he’d replace Smith in this scenario.
If SD is paying half his salary, it’s not a terrible move for the Mets. I’m not positive that gets them into the final luxury tax tier if their cost is $6M-$7M per year. I’m guessing Smith and Paddack’s costs offset though I don’t know how much Pagan makes. Of course, it’d be wonderful if the Friars took Canó instead of paying down Hosmer’s contract in the deal, but that’s a pipedream.
A better deal to me would be Canó, Smith, and a prospect or two to San Diego for Myers, Paddack, Pagan, Hosmer, and enough cash to make it an even-money deal so far as the Canó + Smith and Myers + Hosmer contracts are concerned.
Canó for two more years in that scenario really would not be any worse to San Diego than Hosmer for another four.
if it’s even money, why would the Padres do that deal?
Make their team worse, the Mets better and financially be on the same boat?
They prob believe Dom Smith has a higher ceiling than Paddock
It’s not a half bad way to get pitching depth if you would rather spend money than prospects
6-7M for a bench player isn’t a bad deal. Padres would cover 30M.
No brainer for the Mets?? Lol!! This would be about as bad of a move as possible for the Mets. Yeah sure take on another horrible contract when they’re just about done with the horrible contract they took on with Cano. I get that it’s nice to have an owner that’s willing to spend but there comes a point that it crosses the line into stupidity. Paddack has done nothing to warrant taking Hosmer as well just to get him and I mean nothing. I don’t get the fascination with Paddack in trade talks not one bit. The Padres would do this deal in a second and then once it’s done I’m sure they’d all have a great laugh at the Met’s expense. I question Met fans that think it’s a good idea. Like where are your heads at? Paddack is NOT going to relieve the loss of deGrom not even close in fact I’m willing to bet the fan base would be destroying him within a month.
Good point. Paddack also famously started useless beef with Pete Alonso over who should be rookie of the “month” back in 2019, So he’s already marked. That would seem to indicate that he is easily flustered and perhaps not a great fit here.
It’s crazy right? I look at his numbers and he’s had one small stretch at the start of his career but other than that he’s not even average. He’s a long relief guy at best.
Jd davis and dom smith are medicos talents ve geen trying to say for the longest time nobody wants to trade anything of value for mediocrity! I say Padres lose the trade if anything by taking on dom smith no matter how much money they shed
The Mets would gain literally Hosmer’s contract and nothing else so how can you see a Met’s win here? Mind boggling to say the least. Paddack brings nothing but a good chance of hitting the IL or pitching like garbage. Dom Smith is a better hitter than Hosmer right now and costs pennies in comparison. The Padres have found a team even more desperate than they are and are trying to pounce like a cat on a mouse. The funniest part is that the Mets will win nothing again this year. Make no mistake even if deGrom doesn’t get hurt they still win nothing. Mets gonna Met that’s what they do.
They’re not mediocre talent, they’re both very good. Problem is they have limited use. Both bat first, first base only guys. They’re good, but what they are is like the least valuable commodity.
Problem is he only uses 2 pitches. And his bread and butter is a letter high fat ball. What could go wrong?
The Mets aren’t trying to relive the loss of De Grom, and I don’t know how any fan with half a brain can think that. There is no replacing him – you can’t just go out and get another ace at this stage of the spring. What they are trying to do is minimise the impact by improving their back end and depth, which is a smart move. This would be a good deal for the Mets and a poor one for the Pads (but they’ve put themselves in this position so they deserve it).
Paddack is one of those guys who has some talent but doesn’t appear to be able to make the necessary adjustments when the hitters start to figure him out. He really has just two pitches, fastball and changeup. He doesn’t have a good breaking pitch with a healthy spin on it that he can use to get hitters to chase. So, they just wait for something in the zone, then whack it hard once they get it.
So Dan, how do expect the Pads to trade him for value when you keep telling the truth, eh?
Not sure how this is a no brainer. Paddack has not looked good at all as a SP outside his first full season, players adjusted and he couldn’t due to the fact that he is lacking a quality 3rd pitch. He is a future bullpen arm just impersonating a starting pitcher at this moment. Hosmer is a shell of what he was toward the end of his KC days both with the bat and defensively. Pagan has been subpar since he left TB. Yes it isn’t costing them top prospects to do this deal but does it really help them? I think not. I would hang the phone up with Preller and get Billy Beane on the phone ASAP to land either Montas or Manaea.
They’d have to give up the few prospects worth anything in their organization to get either one of those two. At some point they have to stop being dumb and making dumb moves. Their tax penalties are going to push their payroll to the moon making a title, if they’re lucky enough to win one look almost foolish. Robert Kraft Steve Cohen is not. He comes off as incredibly naive in the world of sports. He’s like a little kid with a huge bank account. If we can’t do it the right way I’ll just buy the title outright, who should I make the check out to?
Mets fans didn’t want to believe me when I said they would hate any jd davis or dom smith trade ! Those guys are irrelevant! You can find them anywhere
You do realize that Montas and Manaea will be exponentially more expensive, right? Dom Smith doesn’t get you close to either one.
Yea it’s basically trading Smith and taking on Hosmer in exchange for Pagan and a young SP who looks like a bust. No brainer? I think not.
Oh god no don’t do this
This move is dumb, you get a first baseman you don’t need, who isn’t good and is owed a ton of money. In return you get a team controlled starter who is coming off of 2 bad seasons. And all you have to give up is a team controlled player who can hit and play multiple positions. None of this makes sense to do.
There’s fans on this thread that think it’s a good idea lol. Meth is a hell of a drug.
Can’t spell Meth w out Met
Cant spell Padre without Dre, what’s your point here, that the padres have Dre inside of them?
What on earth would you do with Hos? Cut him?
Could cut him. But if you trade Smith His could be the lefty off the bench. (Of course that defeats half the purpose of trading Smith who is already a bit of a redundancy).
I’d be curious to see if there are some other pieces involved if they make a deal happen. Not quite sure where Hosmer would fit into the Mets plans with Cano at DH and Alonso at first.
@jt33
Agreed, I think a 3rd team would have to be involved where the Mets, if they could grab two of the Padres YOUNG bullpen arms with Hosmer and his contract, then flip Hosmer (eating half his contract) to another team in return for some minor leaguers, then this might not be so bad.
For instance: Washington currently has Josh Bell at 1b who is a natural DH. Nats need bats. Bring Finnegan to NY, give Vientos a good shot with Washington. Hmmm
Wow that’s worse than the irl trade that’s happening…
If the padres pull off Hosmer and paddack for dom smith, I will be shocked to say the least.
it would be horrible for Mets – another Cano deal
I had the same reaction
Jd davis and dom smith have zero trade value bd they are bit players ! Mets didn’t turn down deals with one or both of them for Castillo or montas just to possibly make this dea! Smith and Davis aren’t any good
Davis has trade value. He’s a born DH and that dude rakes.
Hosmer? That is all.
Oh stop with these exaggerations. They are both good players, especially Davis who has a good track record. There are reasons that they have low trade value but they are good players.
Dom smith is crap, if WAR is such a great stat to go by DS is -.7 and Hos is 1.0, rather have Hos, after this year Hos contract is 3/39…
It’s a good stat but you have to use it intelligently and not intentionally cherry pick data to make a point that isn’t there.
Under no circumstances should the Mets take on the last 4 years of Eric Hosmer’s contract, and especially not for a pitcher that is no guarantee to upgrade your rotation. Hosmer Doesn’t even fit this team, and I don’t even think he’s better than Dom Smith to begin with. Billy, please look elsewhere. Hopefully this was just floated out there by some Padres intern or something.
Bad couple of days for Mets fans. DeGrom goes down with a serious injury ….. then news that the team is discussing a trade to acquire Eric Hosmer, and the 4 years, $59 million left on his contract.
Thank you for just rewriting everything the article already said
It was an impulsive fan reaction, Born out of this being the first thing I looked at this morning. I guess it was missing the 20 or so !!!!!!!!! Needed to indicate that it was a desperate fan reaction.
All three players are at their lowest value. However, with Hosmer, you know exactly what you’re getting, he’s not going to get any better, and he’s making a lot of money.
With Paddack, there’s a high risk, high reward with some years of control but an injury history. Dom Smith, same deal but less of an injury history. He’d improved each year since he came to the big leagues and looked on the verge of really breaking out before last year’s disastrous performance.
Overall, given Paddack’s injuries and back-to-back poor years, I think Smith has the best chnace to provide the most value going forward. He was uncharacteristically awful last year, but so were a number of other Mets hitters (McNeil, Conforto, etc), lending credence to the idea that it was an organizational issue. I could see him bouncing back pretty easily.
Bottom line, I would not make this move if I were the Mets, even if the Padres pick up a bunch of Hosmer’s salary.
Nightengale with more fake news???
Yep
I know, let’s talk about Hosmer some more
Since Conforto has a QO attached to him, can MLB teams do sign and trades? Like if NYM signed him, could they ship him out to SD as part of a trade?
Free agents can’t signed this year can’t be traded until June
I believe they can be, with the player’s permission. I could be wrong.
I think you’re right on that
sIgN aNd TrAdE
Why would any team want to trade actual young talent for Conforto when they’re not even willing to give up a draft pick for him?
mets bought a bigger shovel, to dig a deeper hole
Paddack isn’t worth the Hosmer contract. This may be a bit of an overreaction.
There is a scenario tho where Paddack reaches his full potential in a rotation with Jake and Max, eventually.
Can’t we just let other teams sweat out their bad contracts for once??
This would be the worst trade for the Mets since dykstra and McDowell for Samuel… I wouldn’t trade Smith for either straight up… not sure why Eppler would even entertain this insanity
But out of fairness, Dykstra’s performance with the Phillies was aided by steroid use.
Dom Smith for just Paddack would be a good trade for the Mets. Paddack is still young with upside potential.
What I’m getting from this is that Dom Smith should start taking steroids.
Don smith isn’t worth paddock
It’s not like teams are lining up for a DH who can’t hit.
I understand not wanting Hosmer but getting rid of smith isn’t bringing back value unless the Mets take on a lot of $
Don Smith might not be, but Dom Smith is. Dom is a good-fielding first baseman with an inconsistent bat. He might fare better at Petco Park than at Citi Field. I don’t know a lot about Petco Park, but if Bartolo Colon can hit the only home run of his career there at age 42, that should say something.
Dom plays first base and although he had an off year last year he was excellent prior to that. Even with his struggles last year and as a rookie he’s still a 104 OPS+. He can hit. A lot of misinformation in your post.
DeGrom has a bum arm and now they wanna trade for another bum arm and take an añbatross contract like Cano isn’t enough.
Lol mets and I’m a mets fan. WTF
Do they really WANT to do this or is this just a rumor? We don’t know what they are thinking just what some reporter thinks he scooped. Nine out of ten times it amounts to nothing yet still fans panic or ridicule every rumor as if rumors aren’t most often false.
This would be good for Dom Smith, but that’s about it. I’m not sure what the Paddack appeal is—he hasn’t been good since the first two months of his rookie year.
With his numbers trending downward and a partially torn ACL, Paddack would probably join deGrom on the IL a week after arriving.
As a Padres fan, I’d be down with that. Finally she’d done it that Hosmer contract. Can they use the savings for Conforto?
Finally shed some of that…. Goodness!
If I were a Padres fan, I too would be thrilled. It’s a steal.
Padres would likely be paying for half of it.
If it was Myers and Paddack, that would make more sense. It’d be super desperate of the Mets to take on nearly $60M of dead money to get Paddack, not to mention losing a capable hitter.
So if they trade Myers, that would make Profar the RF and Beaty the LF, but it makes more sense?
He means for the Mets. Most feel it’s an overpay for NY to take hosmers contract
The Mets would most likely be taking half of his contract with the Padres paying the rest. The Padres are worried about his reaching 10-5 status with them which would give him a full no-trade clause.
Agreed. Myers would make a good bit of sense in this deal if Dom Smith goes the other way though I would say it that likely NYM may have to add a prospect albeit a low tier one to make the scales even. Paddack has a good bit more value than Smith (SP vs 1B type) and Myers doesn’t hold too much negative value.
The Padres aren’t trading the only RF on their 40-man roster to save the Mets $10 million dollars.
Makes a little sense. But just a little… Need some $ as well though.
Would prefer one of the A’s starters but might be cost prohibitive.
Like Paddacks upside for sure, but hate to sell low on Dom. You’d also be taking ABs from JD / Cano presumably.
I’d hope there are more/other pieces here. Or maybe this is just posturing for the A’s…
A 3 way trade where the Padres send out Hosmer to NYM, a prospect or Paddack to OAK and OAK sends Manaea or Montas to NYM would be an interesting framework.
Manea or Montas would take a hell of a lot more than Paddack or a prospect. Bean will probably hang up the phone if he hears the name Paddack.
No, actually it wouldn’t.
I smell the reek of desperation emanating from Flushing this AM. LOL
That Huge Flushing Sound you are hearing is the Mets Season being over with the unsurprising DeGrom news, Shocking
Amazing to me how terribly adults can misconstrue the slightest bit of information. There is no desperation here, it’s a trade rumor. Chill.
Haha. The Mets. They haven’t don’t it yet, but if they’re past is any indicator they’re gonna do something really dumb. Taking on that Hosmer contract is right up their alley. I just don’t see the potential upside on Paddack being worth that kind of a burden.
It’d be half the burden with the Padres eating the other half.
Cmon Steve Cohen make it happen for all us met fans out here
Agreed! Us Mets fans need Paddack in our rotation and wouldn’t mind seeing a half price Hos at first base! Fingers crossed by us Mets fans this gets done today! >.<
#MetNation
Speak for yourself. This will be a terrible trade. Hosmer is worthless and there is no evidence that either pitcher being discussed is even an effective major leaguer. Paddack had two good months and hasn’t been good since. Pagan gave up 16 HR in 63 IP last year – you really want that coming out of the bullpen?
Keep Dom all it takes is one position player injury and then we need Dom.
Smith is good enough to trade for almost anyone else with a 5+ era and not having to absorb a massive contract in the meantime. No reason for the Mets to take this commitment and hope for upside from a pitcher that hasn’t pitched well in 2 years
Horrible trade for Mets, go back to Oakland and get a real pitcher. Where does Hosmer fit in here, much rather keep Dom Smith, he can bring in a better pitcher if the Mets really want to trade him.
I think Mets fans overrate Smith because they’ve seen him rake for brief stretches, but he’s a DH at best. I think the return is fair, but taking on the Hosmer contract would be foolish.
Disagree… he was one of the best hitters in baseball 2019-20… sure it was only 175ab each season, but it’s there… he played hurt all last year… he’s a good fielding 1b when he plays regularly (not where this idea came from he can’t field)… this would be selling low at its worst, and paddack doesn’t have upside, I’m sorry… and Hosmer is trash… you tell me Myers and morejon? Maybe then I think about it… otherwise, keep Smith and watch him bounce back
Exactly what I mean though. You saw him rake briefly in a shortened season. He struggled last year. I think he’s a DH/1B type. Mets already have Alonso. Smith isn’t needed.
I think it depends on why Smith struggled last year. Was it injuries? Was it the same organizational approach (that several players complained about as too confusing, too inconsistent, and too reliant on analytics) that led to other players struggling last year? Or was it just Smith regressing to his mean, and he’s not actually that good of a player? I tend to think it’s a combination of the first two and not the last one.
Plus, Dom is a good glove at first and can (mostly) adequately play the outfield. There’s value there.
@Von
I respectfully disagree, but can only speak for one Mets fan.
Dom is a FAR superior glove at first. Pete is passable because he works hard at his defense and hits 40 homers.
Dom makes the entire infield better and probably saves 30 errors on throws alone, plus he has a LOT more range. His glove work compares to the best in the game.
With 550 at bats, I would be content with .280/18/85 with 35 doubles. When I watch a healthy, well rested (sleep apnea under control) Dom, he reminds me of Mark Grace and John Olerud. Not so much Keith, because Dom has more gap homerun power and Hernandez had a better arm and more on-field leadership.
I think Dom deserves his full shot this year to really show the Mets how he can help this team. Plus, a solid season only increase his trade value next year.
John Olerud was an elite hitter for a stretch
Anyone who calls Dom Smith “a DH at best” is better off not sharing their opinion.
I meant in the context of the Mets roster where he’s completely wasted. Alonso blocks him. A trade makes perfect sense to me.
This must have been an April Fool’s Day post. I’m a Braves fan and, while I’d love for the Mets to make this deal, even I know the Mets aren’t this dumb.
Thank you, couldn’t agree more
Lol Cohen blowing over the Cohen tax for Hosmer and Paddack? Yikes
Mets needed to sign Schwarber for DH. Cano, Dom Smith & JD Davis aren’t good enough.
Mega yikes.
Just roll with what you have. MeGill has a lot of promise. Mets don’t need to make this trade. So desperate. I’d be so dissapointed in Cohen if he approves this. Paddock is just damaged goods and a 5rh starter. They have plenty who they can try there
This also smells like something else is going on with DeGrom
Good point.
The only way this deal makes sense is if Cano is in it too. It’s a wash in this year’s salary but the Padres may be interested in getting out of the bad contract 2 years earlier.
Good call. Cano for hosmer and Paddock makes more sense
So you want to trade 1 bad player for 2 bad players?
Might be able to get Adrian Houser from Milwaukee, but now that deGrom is out the Mets will have to pay a premium no matter who they deal with. But…in for a penny, in for a pound.
Padres should throw in Campusano, and the Mets should throw in Davis. Seems fair to me..although no idea why the Mets would take Hosmer.
They could just release him, I suppose..
Thought the Mets had all this pitching “depth” and who would went Hosmer!? The Mets need to calm down and start the season without Degrom and go from there. Relllllax Cohen. If anything, trade for Castillo
Do the Mets have the MiLB pieces to obtain Castillo? Serious question as I thought their farm cupboards were mostly bare…
Not quite. Highest upside guys are far though.
Alvarez is likely untouchable.
At least one of Mauricio, baty, and vientos should be expendable.
Not sure if they’d trade Allan, their lone high end arm.
Beyond that, barring a surprise there isn’t too much. They’ll have a handful of pick this year though.
Unless the Mets are unloading Cano as well this deal makes zero sense for them.
Bad trade for the Mets. Hosmer? Are you kidding?
“no one would be willing to trade for Hosmer”
“No one in their right mind would be willing to trade for Hosmer!”
Fixed it for you.
Get me some popcorn, this should be fun. Two desperate teams watching their respective windows closing. I think the way to look at this is, if Paddack was a FA, how much would you pay him for a three-year contract? Let’s say his arb worth is $15M/3. Assuming that Hosmer is worthless, that means trading for Paddack is like signing Paddack for $75M/3, plus whatever value Smith has.
Maybe if SD kicks in an additional $35M?
Don’t really think windows are closing but in terms of the money Rosenthal is saying NYM would get $25M so you’re not that far off.
Without prospects to sweeten the deal the Padres eating half of Hosmer’s money seems right.
The Padres window isn’t closing and the Mets was never open to begin
Not a fan of either team here, but I’m curious as to why the Mets are not considering Johnny Cueto?
Or maybe they are, who knows. Cueto is a solid innings eater that I’m sure wouldn’t be too expensive.
If Mets are willing to take on 4 years and nearly $60 million for Eric Hosmer ….. The best move would be to wait. As early as 1 month into the season you will start to see some teams seeing a rebuild as much more attractive, and a much better package of players become available. Why not call the Cubs … Take Jason Hayward contract with Kyle Hendricks attached.
Heyward gets a ticket home. Cubs send a little money to the Friars and a fourth/fifth outfielder that would have been released or optioned. The only team that could take on Hosmer would be doing so in a swap of bad contracts.
This would be awful for the Mets. Even if $ is neutral and Mets get Pagan I would not make deal.
Anything SD is working on gets leaked. They def have a Chatty Cathy in the front office.
I was thinking NYM leaked it. Gotta win the back page!
Not really, a lot of times SD’s deals just happen out of nowhere.
They’re “interested“ in like every player out there and I do think they intentionally put info out about Hosmer/Myers deals to make it seem like there’s some actual interest though because those guys are so hard to move
Why not skip all this nonsense and just sign Johnny Cueto? He could be had on a one year deal for maybe $10M max. Do you really want to be shackled with Hosmer for 4 years?
The only way this works is if it is Mackenzie Gore and not Paddack, but I don’t think the Padres would move Gore.
The options (according to Baseball Trade Values):
Cano
Diaz
Dom Smith
For
Hosmer
Gore
Morejon
OR
Dom Smith
Edwin Diaz
A Ball Prospect
For
Hosmer
Hassell
Gore
Morejon
There just isn’t any need to get an injured and clearly declining Chris Paddack.
You ain’t getting Gore for any of the above lmao Mets fans on one
Why not? He’s barely in the top 100 anymore. His value is about as high as Mauricio’s at this point, which isn’t much. Lmao padres on consistently overrating all of their prospects the last five years except for Tatis.
How about we throw in Abrams too lol
Mets fans are beginning to become as dumb as Yankee fans…there’s got to be something in the water! #WatchTheWater
Mets are going to do something really stupid here as a PR move to deflect the DeGrom debacle. You can just feel it coming. Am I Right?
What Degrom debacle? Serious question as im not up to date on whats going on other than he’s having shoulder issues.
Read the article!
K. Still didnt answer my question.
The Mets have spent the offseason pushing full-bore towards fielding a competitive squad, but the fragility of an offseason win became clear yesterday with the news of ace Jacob deGrom being shut down for the next four weeks. The panic alarm has sounded, but the Mets are not without solutions.
Im not seeing what the debacle is the mets need to deflect from. Did the mets do something to cause degrom to get injured?
Cohen doesn’t have a clue how to run a team besides writing checks. This is a bad baseball move if this goes through. Plenty of other places to get pitching without having to take on a terrible Hosmer
There’s an update. The Padres are going to throw in a Bridge. The Mets are going to look at it today.
Conveniently it’s in the New York Metropolitan area.
If the names in this article are, in fact, the main pieces in a trade, it would be terrible for the Mets.
Being a fan of the NL West, I have seen a lot of Paddack. He has had 3 years to show something, and all he has shown is his ability to be inconsistent and give up the long ball. I don’t see him moving the needle from the options the Mets already have. Plus, you add in the fact that the Mets take a player they don’t need (Hosmer) and any amount of his contract?
For me, if I’m the Mets, I politely say “no, thanks”.
Then you factor in that Paddack is pitching in SD which is a pitchers park. That’s like a position player turning in a .205 BA at Coors. Fools gold at best.
Petco plays neutral after they moved the fences in.
Honestly, the Mets need to use the leverage of taking on Hosmer’s contract against the Padres.
At this stage in their respective careers, Smith and Hosmer are fairly equal. Being the home grown talent, affordability, age, talent, attitude and ‘team first’ mentality, I check all these boxes for Dom.
With the DH in the NL now, I think Dom is in line for 500+ at bats in 2022 unless Cano gets 200 of those.
I’m not sure Paddack is ever going to live up to the hype, but adding 1 or 2 quality, healthy arms is always a positive. This deal makes a heck of a lot more sense for the Padres, though. The Mets could tap other organizations for more options without compromise, like Oakland, Baltimore or the Reds.
I just think the Mets defense needs Dom at first and letting Pete DH 400 at bats should really help keep him strong all season. He will still get his 650 plate appearances while playing 1b two times a week.
Now, all that being said, if the Mets can pry Lamet AND one of those younger bullpen arms…
Paddack, Pagan and Hosmer (along with $18-20 mil) for Smith…it’s more than fair for both teams! It’d bring Hosmer into the $7-8 mil/yr…both teams getting what they need. Young players with great potential, that have dealt with recent injuries. A new environment just might be what they all need!
Yeah, sure, it’s the Mets fans who are delusional… where is the potential for Paddack who keeps trending downward as a two-pitch pitcher? Hosmer is a net negative. Yes, Pagan I like… should just do Dom for Pagan without having to take on additional money if you want to make it more equitable
With SD eating 1/2 of Hosmer’s deal, he easily worth 8-10 mil/yr…Paddack and Dom have both struggled with recent injuries…I’m sure that deal works for both sides.
As a Padre fan the Mets can have them both for nothing. I would support that move. No return is necessary.
The three although Pagan has some value. Hosmer is dead weight. Paddock never reached his potential. Maybe New York will be a benefit to them.
Don smith is nothing ! Sounds fair to me
Id send Campusano, Paddack, Pagan along with Hosmer to the Mets for Smith rather than eating tons of cash.
Why ain’t your money and Camp is a great hitting catching prospect
I think they haven’t been able to pull a deal off because they’re not willing to put in a legit prospect. If they can get someone to do it for Paddack + like half of Hosmer’s contract then they might as well do it.
makes more sense Padres have 4 catchers to fill 2 spots
Don Smith, for Paddack, Hosmer, Canpusano, and 20 M.
not my money
Please take Blane Snell that guy is a TOOL
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I absolutely hate this this move for the Mets smh
If the Mets want to truly make a big deal, get Means, Mullens and Mancini from Baltimore. I’d empty the farm for that, short of Alvarez.
Mauricio, Matt Allen, Dom Smith and either JD Davis or Vientos going the other way with cash.
Of. Marte, Nimmo, Canha, Mullens, Jankowski, Mancini
IF. Escobar, Lindor, McNeil, Alonso, Mancini, Guillorme, Cano
Sp. Scherzer, deGrom (IL), Bassitt, Means (much needed lefty), Carrasco, Walker, Megill, Peterson (AAA to start season)
…Orioles get some top prospects, cash and their every day 1B (Dom). Mets get the gifted, young center fielder they need, a very good left handed starter, a veteran 1b/rf/lf proven run producer.
Orioles aren’t paying any of these guys to finish last in the AL East for the next three years. But they get their future SS, starting 3b, a starter and a minimal payroll.
That’s not nearly enough for just Mullins. Don’t quit your day job.
It’s unlikely there’s any realistic trade package the Mets could put together for Mullins without starting with Alvarez and adding significant pieces. For Mullins, means and Mancini you’re looking at Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio to start with some combination of Allan, Diaz and Davis. Basically what you suggested gets Means and Mancini and no mention of Mullins.
there are a few teams with pitchers to spare that don’t come with a dead weight.
Or Mets could give my A’s Brett Baty for Frankie Montas .
Anything is possible. They report that Max Scherzer was scratched from his start today. Wow! Perfect storm. But totally expected.
Padres take Cano in deal?
Padres pay half of Hosmer’s salary.
Padres include Campusano.
If I were Mets, I would rather get Castillo or Mahle from Reds and swallow’s Moose’s contract instead. Or trade prospect Mauricio plus lesser prospects for Maneaa or Montas. But A’s might insist on Alvarez or Baty, which I would not do.
I think this one has legs. Paddack, Pagan and Campusano would be about right to dump half the money on Hosmer’s contract and get Smith back.
Paddock is a gas can, but I don’t think Preller should be trading starting pitching
Taking on salary for Chris Paddack is a bad idea
Make it happen Mets! Hosmer’s AAV decreases the next 3 seasons to a reasonable salary and helps give the Mets more SP depth in the wake of deGrom’s injury. If it only costs us Dom, I’m ok with it.
Joel Sherman reports that the Padres would be sending 30 million the Mets way.
Uncle Steve, I know you’re on here somewhere…
PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS TRADE. The only thing Hosmer is good for is giving haircuts and trimming beards and eyebrows.
For the sake of Pete Alonso’s sloppy but endearing facial hair DO NOT TRADE FOR HOSMER!
So best case scenario for degrom is that he comes back mid season and dominates the 2nd half instead of the first? Not that I’d count on it, but a rested deGrom coming out throwing like that in the 2nd half would be a real boost. See where he’s at in 2 months before making any serious trades. I really hope this is just BS and they sign like Cueto or something and relax. A lot can happen over 162. Tylor Megill earned a shot after his performance last year. His ERA before he was overworked along with solid peripherals were promising. No need to panic YET…
Scherzer scratched today due to hamstring issue as well. So hasn’t been able to throw and get stretched out the past week either. Still no need to panic? I don’t see him missing much, but a 10 day IL stint makes sense rather than pushing an old guy who ended the playoffs with a dead arm…just saying. The Braves, Phillies, and even the Marlins won’t feel sorry for them as they snag an early division lead against those metropolitans.
The Scherzer situation is more cautious than anything. They need to keep him fresh early on anyway. So, no. No panic, NL East was always going to be a battle]. The Marlins aren’t “pesky” anymore. They’re in position to pry open a legit window of contention.
Trade Cano with Dominic Smith, take on Hosmer full salary and pay Cano’s salary this year and allow the Pads to pay Cano next year. Still a cost savings for the Padres and the Mets don’t seem to care how much they spend. Padres would be on the hook for $20 million of Cano’s final year, Mets pay $20 million this year of it and start the $18 million per on Hosmer. They don’t need Cano and Hosmer. Otherwise the trade does nothing for the Mets. Maybe Pagan can be a reliable reliever but they need a lefty. Paddack is going to be another talented pitcher who spends most of his time dealing with MRI stress reactions and inflammation then suddenly when the pennant race heats up needs another Tommy John. No thanks, unless they can get rid of Cano. And if that happens, then sign Conforto back.
Just start Megill or Peterson or use an opener until DeGrom gets back. Don’t trade for Hosmer to get a crap 5th starter.
Smith -.7 war?
Wow I dont think this is the type of move that will make our team better.
Hosmer is better than Smith, if they made the same amount I would take Hosmer.
Paddack for Smith is more equal. He is going to settle into becoming a solid rotation piece.
Or the guy when not injured had a 134 WRC+ In 2019 and 166 in 2020… hard pass on Mets part
Now this this is the trade value of jd davis or dom smith ! They have net neutral value ! There’s free agents still available better then them including a current Mets free agent with a qualifying offer ! Don’t give up anything of value for these bit players
I wouldn’t sign Hosmer at the major league minimum to replace Smith, and Paddack is a bad pitcher with a good arm. He’d be #7 on the Mets rotation depth. Hard pass.
I don’t like this deal at all. The Mets need someone who stabilizes their rotation, not adds more questions.
as it stands Hosmer/Paddack for Smith
Seems like an AWFUL trade….Paddack cannot be the only available pitcher out there that they could get he does not look good in a pitchers park.
Hosmer is a waste does not fill any need and a high cost for nuthin’
They could do better Smith is more versatile than hosmer but they need a pitcher am sure they could dangle a few more players for a better pitcher without bringing back hosmer.
I dont see why they don’t talk to the A’s and send a heap of load low cost of players for 1 pitcher.
The Yankees wanted an Oakland pitcher and the opening name to start the conversation was Volpe, with more pieces attached for only one A’s pitcher. Exactly what makes the Mets believe they have anyone close to what the A’s wanted from the Yankees and based on rumors read here, the A’s wanted a teams 1st and 2nd top prospects for one of their pitchers. They don’t want players like the Mets could offer like Dom Smith, etc.
Jed please stay as far away as possible from this guy. Nows not the time to add 60mil to the books. If the Padres pay 80% and they send Gore and 2 others over. I’d say yes. The cubs send heyward back then pay the other 20% pf Hosmers salary. Then they can fire him.
Dom Smith for Eric Hosmer and Mackenzie Gore
Although they’re not my team I actually like the Mets. And I don’t normally like the “LOL Mets’ stuff. But if the Mets end up with Eric Hosmer I’ll be among the first to “LOL Mets!’.
$300 million dollar mess of a team that even the Padres and AJ Preller see as desperate and easily duped. Every team in the league will be calling the Mets trying to unload their sixth or seventh best starter and their worst contract knowing the Mets just might bite. Keep throwing money at it Steve I’m sure that’ll work out for you.
I’ve accurately and without the right for anyone to ever disagree have accurately stated the value of dom amith and jd davis is absolutely nothing more then cash and a 4a player ! Time is proving me right it’s not hate for the Guys it’s just reality you can find a jd davis or dom smith anywhere! Jeff McNeil is the Only one or the 3 player’s Mets wheee dangling with trade value
The Mets have a poor track record with pitchers like Paddack who are constantly injured. Smith is much better than Homer at this point, I just do not get the reasoning behind this.
You should understand you can find jd davis or dom smith anywhere they are nobodies! If Mets ever traded either it wouldn’t ever be for anything Mets fans would like
LOL at the Padres thinking they have enough rotation depth. No team in MLB has enough rotation depth. Anyone thinking they do is an idiot.
Agreed. Don’t understand at all why they would part with one of their healthiest pitchers….unless they have another trade in the works for (Montas)?
The difference between Hosmer and Dom Smith is that Smith has a pulse. If you can afford to release Hosmer and let him play somewhere else, and you can get two major league caliber arms, go ahead. But I can’t see Cano and Hosmer both occupying a space on the roster. That said, having Paddack as a depth piece with guys like Carrasco and Scherzer one hamstring tweak away from the IL isn’t the worst idea in the world. The Dodgers have guys like Paddack lined up ten deep.
This is like Dumb and Dumber getting well, Dumber and Dumbest lol…..both teams already made idiotic moves in acquiring Cano(Mets) and signing Hosmer(Padres), so this is just the 2 of them competing to see who gets the Dumbest title!!! And the title for most wasted money in a season bc both hv no chance of winning their respective divisions tbh
Not sure I see the value in such a deal when the current 5th starter has better numbers than the pitcher you’re trading for – who pitched in a better pitchers ballpark. Then taking on a player who has 4 years remaining and nowhere to play/go other than DH isn’t a smart move, even if a portion of the salary is absorbed by the Padres. And if DeGrom does come back and is healthy, the Mets basically inherited the Padres problem.
Looks to be a panic deal. Hard pass.
I would be curious why the Mets would want this trade. Pagan may be the only useful piece if Paddack is damaged goods. From the Padres side, unless they know Paddack is shot I don’t understand their side either.
Paddack is damaged goods? Where did you hear that. He’s a 4-5 starter on most teams. If he develops a slider he’ll be much better.
The article itself said “A slightly torn UCL might be the cause of the decline”.
he’s healthy now. But it’s moot point. The article also said there was something to this rumor, when there isn’t
The anticipation/possibility of this deal going down has Pobres fans harder than a fistful of blue pills endorsed by MLB. Not going to happen though. There’s only one GM/POBO dumb enough to make a move like that for Hosmer, and he already has him.
Still chewing on the scenarios…..Let’s see what happens!
Even if the deal goes down, Left Field is locked up with a permanent platoon of Jurikson Profar and Matt Beaty, as Smith would take over at his NATURAL 1st Base duties, (with Luke Voit @ DH). I am ok with this setup.
Pickup Upton to platoon with Beaty once he clears waivers.
Upton? That could be interesting. Hmmmmmm.
If I here someone in Mets brass say they can “fix” Paddock I will really lose my mind.
How is the quality of the pitching coaches for the NYC Metropolitans? (I honestly don’t know).
Doesn’t really matter…referring to the infamous Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade.
You realize none of those folks, including ownership, are even around from that time. That’s decades ago.
Amazing to me how many around here don’t understand the concept of RUMOR. Everyone is acting like the Mets are desperately working to force this deal through. It’s a RUMOR people. It might not have any real substance or traction to it. It may have been an idea merely floated by one side and simply not yet rejected by the other. It might be nothing at all. Do people not understand how media works? Anyway just a message to all the ignorants around here prematurely doing a pathetic Lol Mets dance. There is no indication that they are actually desperate to do this trade.
Some people are just itching to rip the Mets. On twitter, Joel Sherman and others tweeted that the deal was not going to happen and still tons of people replied with low-energy nonsense like LOLMets and ‘Mets gonna Mets!’. No matter what, there’s going to be people ripping the Mets.
This rumor was the perfect storm for rumor writers. There’s a false rumor about both teams every other day. Hosmer should get royalties
If I’m the Mets i would be looking into Johnny Cueto or JA Happ while watching the waiver wire/minor league free agents. It makes zero sense to take on Hosmer, even with the Padres eating salary just to get Paddack.
Only way I would do this if I’m the Mets is as a three way trade where Hosmer is landing somewhere else, with the Mets acquiring some other negative value player in exchange for Hosmer, or having to attach some money themselves to Hosmer.
But, I can’t imagine who would be the third team.
Perhaps the Cubs.
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/mlb-rumors-cubs-linked-padres-190816661.html
What salary are the Cubs looking to dump?
The link is right there.
This would make the most sense. Paddack and pagan from the padres + a prospect from the cubs to the Mets.
Hosmer and cash from padres (perhaps cash from the mets as well if the value of pagan and paddack are greater then smith) to the cubs.
Smith to padres.
Either way I now believe hosmer will be dealt soon. It’s pretty clear now the padres want to trade Hosmer (yes it has been) with a ton of cash. So it just a matter of how much a year a team is willing to pay Hosmer per year. Via reports it sounds like between 6-7m per year, which isn’t much. Not sure this makes any sense for the Padres unless they just need to clear some tax cushion. Other wise paying hosmer 6-7m a year would seem worth the padres to pay to keep him.
Then again I could see the cubs having interest in paddack as well.
So who knows…think we will find out soon.
Or not lol
Honestly a three team trade between the Mets/Padres/Cubs could work.
Let the Mets get the players they were supposedly getting so it would look like:
Mets
Chris Paddack
Emilio Pagan
Cubs
Eric Hosmer
Padres
Jason Heyward
Dom Smith
The Padres could decrease the amount of Hosmer’s salary they were going to pay by taking on the remainder of Heyward’s contract
Trade for Montas!
Great time for a team like Bal, Cle, Pit, Oak, Mia, KC to jump in as a 3rd team take on $$$ for two cash strapped teams to receive a +50FV rated prospect.
Yes Yes Yes Yes !
If we had a salary floor you’d be seeing so many of these interesting trades go down and rebuilds a lot quicker
Padres need more back in this deal. They would be giving up way to much and paying to ship out Hosmer. It makes very little sense for the Padres.
Now that’s funny
Hosmer was the worst part of this deal. He’s worthless and expensive. This trade made tons of sense for the Padres.
Not at all. They were paying to trade him. Terrible deal for the padres!
I’m going out on a limb and saying the snag is “The Mets acquiring Eric Hosmer”
Yeah, especially if SD is not eating most of his contract.
34 million out of 59 is most of his contract
This trade is trash and needs to be squashed. Hosmers absurd contract + a partially torn ucl? Stop. This is an overreaction by Mets brass. Chill
Good it shouldn’t happen
Glad it’s not happening. Never made sense anyway. Pitch Peterson or Megill. Paddack was hardly an upgrade.
Well the Mets better get on the Frankie Montas , Lou Trivino deal . I’m going to need Brett Baty plus more .
Well now what? gotta get rid of paddock pagan & hoz or face resentment what a mess
Paddack has not breaking ball and Hosmer’s contract is an albatross. Failing to see how this helps the Mets at all.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45MRRm9dQP0
Best for Mets to just keep all three of McNeil smith and Davis ! They have more value to the Mets especially the latter 2 as bit players then other teams ! You can find a jd davis or dom smith anywhere this kind of trade is what they would always bring back
The Mets and Padres are the meme of spiderman pointing at himself. Both are living in the shadow of a much better more storied team in their region. Both desperate to be considered as part of a classic rivalry but aren’t and never will be. Both have had recent spending spree overhaul attempts go spectacularly awry.
Outside of the cash he banks, it must be tough for Hosmer to turn up to work each day. Knowing so much effort goes into trying to offload you has to be seriously bad for your mental health. Throw in the public nature of it all and it’s just a death spiral of a situation for the player. Feel for the guy.
Sometimes all you can say is “lol”
No thanks to Hosmer and Paddack, Megill can do the same as Paddack
I would take Snell straight up for Smith, if not forget the Padres and go after Means or Manae, they Mets can use a lefty.
Unfortunately for the Mets both the Orioles and As will demand prospects in return. Good ones. Smith ain’t gonna do anything for them.
Cubs will take on all of hosmer’s salary to get elite prospects
Hosmer is the most overrated player for a career in my memory. Analytics have never liked him.
He’s the most heavily criticized player in recent memory, at this point he might be underrated?
Padres stuck with Hosmer and his contract. As I’ve said many times, everyone in baseball knew that Hosmer was a bad idea except for the Padres.
Instead of trying to eat the Padres contracts. The Mets should just buy out Cano. Smith will be a great player with a full time job. Make Alonso the Dh and Smith the 1st basemen. Or share the position.
They don’t need to buyout Cano to do that. Plus why would he agree to a buyout?
I’m glad this trade didn’t go through, the Mets dodged a bullet in Paddock, I’ve seen him play a lot, he is very erratic and not consistent, overconfident, something the Mets don’t need, and Hosmer I don’t understand either. With the A’s in sell mode maybe the Mets should consider buying Sean Manea, a good starting lefty whose looking extremely well in spring training…..Plus Don Smith is having a good spring as well…..Just a thought.
Mets need to go after Frankie Montas & don’t expect Carrasco to be his old self. Nobody knows how Peterson, Walker or Williams will perform based on last year. What about their farm system. Nobody there who could help?
I guess the Padres aren’t getting Gavin Sheets either?